Question: why can't you bring the good faith and experience you demonstrate on your own blog here with you?

cos my kids read my blog :)

And we're not worthy of your good faith and honest effort, presumably. That really is the heart of your problem.

Goodbye.

and I'm only trying to prove a point. no one owns the internet

But I own this website.

[islander] you've seen passion in art and must understand its necessity. Robbie is passionate and totally genuine. Isn't that obvious?. You may not like how he expresses himself but you can't argue that he speaks from…

Sacha...what a sad and pathetic existence you lead. Persistenly trolling me on subjects you plainly know nothing about

and for the record…

Robbie Siataga- your kids read this thread in the future, they will cringe at your agression & arrant stupidity.

Heoi.

Question: why can't you bring the good faith and experience you demonstrate on your own blog here with you?

cos my kids read my blog :)

what's so hard about being yourself?
Being own self?
Not a series of yapping masks?
Why be continually aggressive?

I know quite a bit about electronic music but will not engage with you/any of your personae because- you like aggro- you dont like real korero/discussion/insightful talk- and I…

when most think the issues are the personalities

And that's a large part of what goes wrong when we try to have a reasoned discussion. I disagree that "most" people think like that, certainly not about the topic we've been discussing.

I noted another option for you, Robbie. You can…

Question: why can't you bring the good faith and experience you demonstrate on your own blog here with you? Please, mull over that idea.

But ...

and here's an idea sacha, go learn up…

It's virtually impossible to disassociate the issues from the personalities, especially when most think the issues are the personalities.

You must have known Russ that there were bound to be personality issues cropping up, but to…

I expect you to toe the line as much as anyone else.

I'm currently picturing you as Andre the Giant off Princess Bride.

it's too important an issue to not have robust discussion and open debate on line. it speaks to the heart of our national identity as represented by arts and culture being visible in the mainstream.

I was keen that it didn't become about personalities — but it did, and not…

True – it was just part of that dredged-up 2008 thread

My, doesn't time fly when PASsing by.
Ok.... I got no coat. :)

So what now with the NZoA debate and discussion ? where to and what now ?

it's too important an issue to not have robust discussion and open debate on line. it speaks to the heart of our national identity as represented by arts and culture being visible in the…

as to the resurrection of pollywog on this site, i can guarantee with absolute certainty that it never happened.

So what now with the NZoA debate and discussion ? where to and what now ?

it's too…

damn, and I thought I was being arch!

I expect you to toe the line as much as anyone else.

...we're trying to heel here.

damn, and I thought I was being arch!

you plug one hole and it just comes in through another

trolls have no mana, even when they're meta-trolling

Does this mean, you are really hosed off!
or is something else afoot...?

Ian, for goodness sake: we're trying to heel here.

Indeed. Because I'm starting to get this urge to sew two buttons onto one of my socks and start talking to it.

Does this mean, you are really hosed off!
or is something else afoot...?
:- )

A look in the mirror may be all it takes.

Indeed. Because I'm starting to get this urge to sew two buttons onto one of my socks and start talking to it.

A re think in strategies is what's in order. Somebody should make friends with him.

A look in the mirror may be all it takes.
;-)

It…

(By the way, if anybody ever needs to take a…

that pollywog fellow looked like he was cornered.

pollywog doesn't seem to be alone in here. half the posts could qualify for the cracked list. actually 90% of discussion on the internet could.

It's not the posts, it's how we're posting.

The intent matters, and I think is readily conveyed. There is a point at which we just…

A head by a nose.

that figures, I'm totally wired weird,
my nose and eyes run and my feet smell
and look funny...
aah the classics!

or as Shane MacGowan might have said:
I have hit the olfactory wall...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-h47cZW-OE

maybe you should read This

Damn your eyes, now I will have to check against that list every time I post.

What you don't seem to realise is that my plan all along was to distablize this thread with errant poetical flaming.

Ah, how terribly droll to be blithering about…

does this mean we're Bonding?

Is there interest with that? :)

that triggers this: has anyone else been totally put off Fresh Up© by their new "Thirst is Creepy" ad on the telly...

It's one of two ads I'll change channel to avoid. The other is the 'women get bored easily' ad which made me invent a new classification: "offensive even…

A politician is an ass upon which
everyone has sat except a man.

ee cummings.

Three asses even. The three Amigos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSVyLFl0Do&feature=related

stop it Ian, you're making me use a dictionary :)

…

Still I think of reaching for a stiff Vodka Martini, shaken, not stirred...

does this mean we're Bonding?

Internet Argument Techniques
Some people are so dumb that they think they can walk around naked and argue people into believing they have clothes on. These people…

who's got rapier-like wit?

I think Rich meant Tapir-like wit ;-)
as folk are always poking their noses in
and are not averse to probing prose

has anyone else been totally put off Fresh Up© by their new "Thirst is Creepy" ad on the telly...

Yes.

I'm guessing it's the same creatives who do the impenetrable 33 and a third beer ads

Yes.Isn't it one of the same actors also?

I miss the connection they are…

is this a poetry club?

If it's possible to get blunt force trauma from rapier-like wit, then yes.

wax lyricists
Ew!

that triggers this: has anyone else been totally put off Fresh Up© by their new "Thirst is Creepy" ad on the telly...
shudder...
I'm guessing it's the same creatives who do the impenetrable 33 and a third beer ads
I miss the connection they are trying to…

I took the Plath less travelled by
and that has made all the difference.

oh you Roads scholars!
No need to be Frosty about it..
;- )

is this a poetry club?

No this is...
appearing on a bollard
or wall near you...

wax lyricists

Ew!

Well, no, but Ian and I have been known to wax lyricists, given have the chance.

Saved by the Belle.

in a Bell Jar? on the Plath less taken...

For whom the Belle tolls.

Roaming roads from the Appian way to the Hemingway? a kind of Donne Quixotic quest…

flex thyself

You know what I wasn't expecting to have today? A JPS Experience earworm.

Carry on.

Conjures the intriguing image of a museum of puke.

an ad museum even...
just thought I'd throw that up in there :- )

But for the full enlightening Jean Paul Sartre Experience, flex thyself and add Nausea

so why'd he reboot the whole site?

It's the only way to make an account suspension apply immediately — at the cost of logging out everyone.

Stick out your face, so we can shoot you in the face.

Ah. When someone crawls in here begging to be put out of their misery, Karl euthanases them. Which NZOA should really have been doing all along, if they'd been fulfilling the obligations defined in their charter.

ad nauseum

Always my favourite typo. Conjures the intriguing image of a museum of puke.

Okay. Karl just rebooted reality

Who's Karl? What did I miss?

I think people will stay out of here not because you want them to and ban them, but because they want too. Its all to easy to get another email address, another log in name,.... and…

You're telling him he should have let it keep on going ad nauseum,

no I'm saying if he felt badger he could have not responded. simply don't engage. didn't your parents tell you to do that when you feel you're being bullied?

This is a heated topic with very passionate…

Can't chris, dd robbie etc chat amongst themselves without your guidance?

Let me simplify for you. Yes, of course they can. Oddly, the internet is a very big place.

What you don't appear to understand is that Russell is under no obligation to provide a forum for people to make…

the mythical NZ on Air Mandate

Oh, and if you're too stupid to understand the discussion, best stay out of it

Like jumping across to this thread, you mean?

oh, the irony

you don't always have to have the last word in a public discussion

Like jumping across to this thread when the other was shut down, you mean? Pot, kettle, plonker

as the last one who could be bothered with it

last one of who?
Can't chris, dd robbie etc chat amongst themselves without your guidance?

I wasn't happy about leaving the thread open so that you could concoct conspiracy theories about other people.

oh, it was me, I thought you…

If you've said your bit and had nothing new to add without repeating the same stuff you've already said then it…

shessshhhh, ok.... just saying you don't always have to have the last word in a public discussion. If your friend Simon's said his bit and he feels he's got nothing to add then let him be silent.

I'm just saying it doesn't do your argument any favors if you shut…

If your friend Simon's said his bit and he feels he's got nothing to add then let him be silent.

Actually I had / have plenty to say, I just didn't feel like banging my head anymore or listening to the bashing of other heads (on a personal level) that…

I'm just saying it doesn't do your argument any favors if you shut…

In accusing me of "dominating the conversation" you seem to have missed the parts where certain individuals were repeatedly insisting I answer…

Simon emailed me last night to explain that he just doesn't want to participate in this kind of thread,

You and your friend Simon could just sit this one out and let some of the other voices discuss it. As a host there's no need to dominate a conversation.

The Arts Centre Resource Consents to build a Music Skool has been declined.

Reason given was the bulk and scale (code for ugly). Although I think the two sets of books produced by the Arts Centre Trust, Rod Carrs misleading statement to the Commissioners that they Uni would…

I imagine he will be in touch by email.

Astonishingly, he has not emailed yet ...

I have sent it to Mr Shirtcliffe.

I imagine he will be in touch by email.

I wouldn't be comfortable with that politically

I would. It's the perfect response to anyone who thinks that being able to buy a louder voice translates online. Spam is spam.

From what Ben says, he'll get caught out without our help anyway..

Representation statistics
The Gallagher Index is a measurement of how closely the proportions of votes cast for each party is reflected in the number of parliamentary seats gained by that party.…

Even though I lament yet another address-harvesting right-winger sending out this sort of clumsy unsolicited email, and even though I think the letter is mendacious, I wouldn't be comfortable with that politically.

It's probably not necessary anyway. If he really is spamming this shit to a purchased or harvested list…

Now that everyone's had a turn at taking offence

Hey, I tried to ignore it. But agree that given it wasn't your words, the reaction was a little OTT. But that's what you get when quoting Twitter ;-)

If you want to do something, submit it to your usual spam junking service, which might result in his mail being blocked for a lot of other people.

Even though I lament yet another address-harvesting right-winger sending out this sort of clumsy unsolicited email, and even though I think the…

It should perhaps come with a slight warning though. They have been discussing Charlie Brooker, and things have got a little divergent from the UK election.

Now that everyone's had a turn at taking offence, we've been able to move on. The UKIP leader's election-day plane crash is the topic…

list MPs are despised

That's crap. The mainstream media *tells* us they're not elected properly as part of the whole background campaign against fair votes. In fact, to be a list MP, you need roughly 18,000 votes. Electorate MPs can get as few as 12,000 (Peter Dunne).

Of the nine…

Pass the crisps: UK Election watch.

Thank you very much for that.

It should perhaps come with a slight warning though. They have been discussing Charlie Brooker, and things have got a little divergent from the UK election.

Was going to post this on the UK thread, but we seem to have got to Voter Turnout over here first.

I must have missed that thread somewhere. Could someone point me to it? I've searched but could not see it...

In other news, Jim Anderton has a blog.

We actually have such a thing? Tell us more.

Can't speak for anyone without hearing about their setup, but just about anyone who has any kind of antispam solution has a way of reporting it. Even my hotmail account has it. These things work better if more people use them…

Is the UK Electorate Disengaged?. Predictions of between 53% to 61% (as per last election). That seems to leave quite a bit of room for mobilising voters, but that…

And while obviously more is generally better, NZ turnout is pretty good compared to some countries.

Until you start looking at local body turnouts (because returning a postal ballot is so damn onerous), which is the point where Kiwis should really STFU before getting their sneer on at those stupid…

http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Anti-Spam-Index
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2007/0007/latest/DLM405134.html

Spamming/junk-mail was used by every major political party prior to the last election, albeit they filled our physical mail boxes with difficult-to-recycle plastic wraps…

Is Graeme Hunt cockney rhyming slang?

It was his brother Mike.

I think we can give Peter the ShortShrift can't we?

And any argument which says "a move from a system where a large proportion of the population knew that it didn't matter which box they ticked, their vote wouldn't lead to anyone getting elected…

Is that true?

no

Though apart from the first MMP election, the four following have all been a lower turnout than the last five FPP elections. But generally more than the 1978 one (adjusted up to 79% in note 9).

Stating that this is because of MMP rather than, y'know…

turnout under MMP elections is consistently lower than under first-past-the-post polls.

Is that true?

Mr Shirtcliffe should really be more careful about what he does with his email address. Somebody might do something unscrupulous with it for kicks.

And those phone numbers. People can be really evil.

All MMP supporters have to do is point at the outcome of that democratic farce – no matter who actually wins – and the argument is over.

This is the same behaviour as people who hawk unsavoury products on the Internet and may well be illegal under the anti spam law passed a few years ago.

Nope.

Our anti-spam law only covers commercial electronic messages. Political speech (and all other non-commercial speech) is exempt.