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						Kia ora Paul &ndash; the thing was set up in the early 1970s to recompense authors for loss of earnings for books held in public libraries: part of the original proposal was that this could be enough to provide support for authors during their fallow periods (i.e when they are…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:49:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kia ora Paul- is 'this arrangement' the Authors' Fund?</p></blockquote><p>The Authors Fund. Don't want you to feel in any way uncomfortable. Just curious.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Kia ora Paul- is 'this arrangement' the Authors' Fund?<br />Or my personal situation?<br />I dont want to bring my experiences to a public forum because I dont think they'd be all that helpful to either a discussion or other artists: however, I am very happy to discuss the Authors' Fund…</p>
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				<title>Paul Norris</title>
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						TVNZ would not be able to create its own mission statement. It is required to deliver the Charter under the TVNZ Act 2003. Any change would require legislation. It is no longer an SOE. Its mission would have to be agreed with its shareholding Ministers ie the Government. National could…
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am an established writer. I've brought a lot of business into Aotearoa-NZ. I earn less than the average wage and I resent bureaucrats &amp; academics using what I do, and have done, to live fatly whilst me &amp; mine &ndash; dont.</p></blockquote><p>Can you elaborate Islander &ndash; I know nothing about this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:18:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						"Um, Luke, I don't know if you're been paying attention but there was actually culture in New Zealand before 1999 &mdash; jus' saying. And I find it rather ironic that people keep citing a multi-national corporate funded adaptation of a fantasy written by an Oxbridge professor half a century ago…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote>She's a criminal, who deserves to be reviled, not honoured with a state funeral when she dies. And given the depth of hatred there still is for her in the UK, she would probably be wise to take precautions to prevent people from taking their revenge after she's dead. These…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:17:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And given the depth of hatred there still is for her in the UK, she would probably be wise to take precautions to prevent people from taking their revenge after she's dead.</p></blockquote><p>Wisdom's hardly an option for Maggie any more. While she's occasionally wheeled out so that young fogies may…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:31:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>Craig: Yes, unless they go to jail; its not a specified offence, you see.</p><p>As for Thatcher, I stand by every word of that.  She's a criminal, who deserves to be reviled, not honoured with a state funeral when she dies.  And given the depth of hatred there still is…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Are people who <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/07/typical.htmll" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dig up graves and desecrate corpses</a> eligible for clean-slating?  Really, Idiot/Savant, when you drop the first two letters from class you don't sod around.
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						<blockquote><p>[Now if someone would like to explain to me why rape under the Crimes Act 1961 isn't one of the specifies sexual offences ineligible for clean-slating, I'd be a ver happy man]</p></blockquote><p>To hazard a guess: teenagers.  Which seems fair enough, when you think about it.</p><p>Meanwhile, I'm more interested…</p>
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						<p>"I would emphasise that ARTISTS of every kind are not well supported"</p><p>by any political party's policies so far-</p><p>an example: in 2006 anonymous people within Creative NZ decided<br />that illustrators should have the same funding rights as writers: the net result was writers' payments fron the AUTHORS fund were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:11:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						There was so much culture before 1999...we go back to about 1250? And we work forward...my definition of culture is very broad: it includes everything from furniture to cooking and all kinds of poetry;domestic arts (by which I mean embroidery, weaving, knitting, taniko(have you ever seen black-on-black taniko? Waua!)) and…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's about vision for me and what has happened with arts in NZ over the last 10 years is a great thing. We have discovered an identity in film, music, theatre and art, and this has helped NZ build on the standard sport identity.</p></blockquote><p>Um, Luke, I don't know if…</p>
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				<title>henry.hollis</title>
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						<p>"and rein in the Ministry of Culture and Heritage to its "core" roles"?</p><p>As a history teacher I find the nzhistory.net site a hugely valuable resource for me and my students. Is this a 'core' role or not? From my point of view this is core to C&amp;H and should be…</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						The US 'Justice' system does have an unhealthy strain of OTT punishment running through it. So it was indeed good to see that our police saw right through it. Also good that we decided to prosecute Owen Walker ourselves and not just put him on a plane to the US.…
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>Peter Hausmann is obviously a Vulcan (look at the ears) and used some type of Vulcan mindmeld to get out of that. That story never really had the smoking gun though.  <br />That the Govt is dispensing with the SFO seems sensible governance if there wasn't really that much for them…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's only of significance for private-sector employment. Police and NZSIS checks return everything, and everything is considered. It also doesn't apply for international travel.</p></blockquote><p>Man, now you tell me. I clean slated my convictions when I travelled to the US two years ago.</p><p>And, probably will again next time I…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It was probably more an intellectual exercise than anything else for him.</p></blockquote><p>This is where a lot of highly-tech-savvy teens get into trouble. They do it "because they can", and without a full understanding of the consequences. Whether it's from straight naivete or, as seems to have been the case…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wrt Owen Walker, it's meant to be about reform. Yes he needs to be responsible for the results of his actions but this is an 18-year-old man who has enormous potential, given the right direction and signals.</p></blockquote><p>I think it's fairly self-evident that he didn't really comprehend the extent of…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He could work for the police with a conviction, but he'd be very unlikely to become a police officer. A non-sworn staff member &ndash; which would be a lot of the IT security people &ndash; he could have become, but they'd have to work around the conviction. Not difficult to…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I presume his crime wasn't eligible for the 'clean slate' legislation.</p></blockquote><p>No &ndash; it would have been eligible.</p><p>You are entitled to clean slate your convictions 7 years after your last conviction if you have never received a custodial sentence, never had a conviction for a specified (sexual) offence, and…</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Yes, agreed. That statement is too generalised.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>Everyone needs to see a way out of the sticky situations in which they find themselves. <blockquote>   Weeeeellllllllll.........
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Wrt Owen Walker, it's meant to be about reform. Yes he needs to be responsible for the results of his actions but this is an 18-year-old man who has enormous potential, given the right direction and signals. Everyone needs to see a way out of the sticky situations in which…
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Heard Chris Finlayson on Radio B today and I was rather underwhelmed. Spent a lot of time firing off cheap shots at Labour and justifying funding standing still under his watch (should he get to watch). No increase in funding means going backwards relative to inflation. Not convinced by this…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe it's time for some of the old battles to be re-fought, before the basic principles of a free, pluralistic society are lost to the mob? Mind, it makes for nice easy headline politics for the right.</p></blockquote><p>Sigh... Which explains why the Criminal Procedure Bill passed its third reading 108-11.…</p>
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				<title>Stanley Pointen</title>
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						Russell, it seems some folks, mostly those on the extremes, simply cannot get their heads around judicial independence. Maybe it's time for some of the old battles to be re-fought, before the basic principles of a free, pluralistic society are lost to the mob? Mind, it makes for nice easy…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A conviction would make working for the Police an impossibility</p></blockquote><p>He could work for the police with a conviction, but he'd be very unlikely to become a police officer. A non-sworn staff member &ndash; which would be a lot of the IT security people &ndash; he could have become, but…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe National should change its slogan to "vote for change! Elect the status quo!" ?</p></blockquote><p>Gee, Idiot/Savant, maybe you should change your slogan to 'The End Is Nigh-ish'? :)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>The judge had to make a call on balancing the message sent by a DWC against the potential for great loss to IT security. Punishments handed down by the courts for relatively insignificant crimes aren't meant to turn into a lifetime sentence that has detrimental effects on wider society, but…</blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Finlayson has definitely been making encouraging noises. Those with plenty of free time should read his inaugural arts speech from last yea</p></blockquote><p>Although I fear our views diverge on a number of social issues, Finlayson is probably my favourite National MP. He's intelligent and he knows what he's talking about.…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						<p>Russell I tried to send this via the on-line system to you directly, but it does not seem to send. I just thought it might be of interest:<br />The NZIER Poll June 08 paints a very different picture re Party support (page 13)<br />http:/www.nzier.org.nz/includes/download.aspx?ID=95649<br />Summary: 24% Labour, <br />30% National <br />27%…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I certainly disagree with Russell that a discharge without conviction was appropriate. This should be used for extremely minor offences and I think the sad message sent by the Judge is cyber crime isn't real crime.</p></blockquote><p>Is $10k worth of damage "real crime"? I'd be amazed if there aren't people…</p>
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				<title>Ron Wilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>DPF's mob have built the disbanding of the Serious Fraud Office into their standard paranoia model of political interpretation &ndash;</p><p>So I am REALLY looking forward how they digest this...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4618310a6045.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/4618310a6045.html</a></p></blockquote><p>Oh come one. That is really unfair The former member of the DHB is a friend of the former…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It would be useful if people differentiate between what Kiwiblog says (which most would take as a reference to what I say) and what Kiwiblog commenters say.</p></blockquote><p>David, generally you take a predictably moderate position on many issues but, somehow, many of your commenters are extreme, abusive and intolerant (left…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>DPF's mob have built the disbanding of the Serious Fraud Office into their standard paranoia model of political interpretation &ndash; </p><p><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/dissenting_views.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/dissenting_views.html</a> &ndash;</p><p>So I am REALLY looking forward how they digest this...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4618310a6045.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/4618310a6045.html</a></p>
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						<blockquote><p>the same ones piling in on the autistic 18 year-old.</p></blockquote><p>I guess for many of these people (DPF's commentors) a computer is their only friend in the world &ndash; so they get pretty upset about one being "violated".</p>
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						<blockquote><p>A National-led government would not have an opinion on the matter.</p></blockquote><p>So basically, it would be up to the management to decide how they want to run things. For me that's the problem with the SOE model, at its worst. <em>TVNZ isn't owned by its managers.</em> It's owned by the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair, only a few are calling for Veitch to be left alone, the majority of the commenters have been just as vehement as here in their condemnation.</p></blockquote><p>True, but as Shep pointed out, some of the people who made fairly <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/veitch_broker_her_back.html#comment-462185" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">obscene comments</a> about Veitch (or, more precisely, his…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Just to set the scene Kiwiblog are bagging the Judge for letting the bright kid go &amp; work for the Police , while calling for a guy who broke a womens back to be left alone.</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, only a few are calling for Veitch to be left alone, the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As with all issues on Kiwiblog, commenters have a variety of views on the issue.</p></blockquote><p>"Helen Clark should be shot!"</p><p>"Impaled!"</p><p>"Boiled in oil!"</p><p>"All three!"</p><p>"No, just voted out of office ..."</p><p>"You bloody lefty!!"</p>
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						<p>Shep's comments are somewhat misleading. I certainly disagree with Russell that a discharge without conviction was appropriate. This should be used for extremely minor offences and I think the sad message sent by the Judge is cyber crime isn't real crime.</p><p>However on Tony Veitch, I have never ever called…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But that's the kind of site DPF chooses to run. Let him wallow in it.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know about that, he simply shrugs his sholders and pretends he's got no responsibility for the comments... I reckon you are personally responsible for the company you keep (and more so for the…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>And finally, I'm glad the judge presiding over Owen Walker's case &mdash; and, indeed, the local police &mdash; focused on demonstrable harm,   </blockquote> I'm very glad to see this. This young man is undoubtedly hugely talented and his abilities need to be used in a constructive way.
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						<blockquote><p>Chris Finlayson ... is keeping everything: even the often-pilloried (but in reality, tightly-accounted and effective) PACE scheme.</p></blockquote><p>I'm really glad to hear this. I was on the dole in 2002 &ndash; 2003 and spent the first year on the regular dole, which included compulsory attendance on the spirit-crushing, soul-destroying WorkTrack…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Just to set the scene Kiwiblog are bagging the Judge for letting the bright kid go &amp; work for the Police , while calling for a guy who broke a womens back to be left alone.</p></blockquote><p>I noticed that. Some of the comments about Walker are sick too. That's an autistic…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I asked Coleman if he'd like to add the words "at current levels" and he agreed that he would.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry to <em> reintroduce</em> ambiguity but does that mean the current level is all Nat Rad (or TV) will be getting next year &ndash; and the year after &ndash; and the…</p>
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						<p>Finlayson has definitely been making encouraging noises. Those with plenty of free time should read his inaugural arts speech from last year:</p><p><a href="http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=10935" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=10935</a></p><p>Of special interest: a kind of mea culpa about National failing to do enough for the arts in the 90s, and a concession that too much of…</p>
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						Just to set the scene Kiwiblog are bagging the Judge for letting the bright kid go & work for the Police , while calling for a guy who broke a womens back to be left alone.
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						<blockquote><p>-- but it does not say it would do so at current levels. In the absence of such an assurance, a suspicious person might fear budget cuts.</p><p>I asked Coleman if he'd like to add the words "at current levels" and he agreed that he would.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, just to be…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe National should change its slogan to "vote for change! Elect the status quo!" ?</p></blockquote><p>Well it worked for Labor in Australia. It was Howard or Rudd but little significant difference in policies.</p><p>But seriously, National does seem to want to minimise the differences between itself and Labour and why…</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe National should change its slogan to "vote for change! Elect the status quo!" ?</p></blockquote><p>In light of the gnashing of teeth and anti-National discourse that flies around here, I find this opinion du jour very amusing.</p><p>Not such an issue if they get in is it?</p><p>Christ when did…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The absence of dollar numbers means, of course, that the Herald can leave these promises out of its "Porkometer". So we'll be getting all we have now, but for free.</p><p>(Finance spokesman Bill English was not available for comment).</p></blockquote><p>I'm excited already!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"vote for change! Elect the status quo!"</p></blockquote><p>Shades of the House Republicans' "rebranding" slogan, as revealed on the Daily Show recently: "The Change You Deserve". Erm, what?</p>
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						<p>National's recent "policy" releases have not included any costings, but in essence they can be summarised as follows:</p><p>1. Keep what the government has done.</p><p>2. In some areas, do more.</p><p>This translates as:</p><p>1. Spend the same</p><p>2. ... and some more.</p><p>The absence of dollar numbers means, of…</p>
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						Maybe National should change its slogan to "vote for change!  Elect the status quo!" ?
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