How does this stuff relate to the online archival stuff at Archives New Zealand or the stuff at the Film Archive, Te Ara/NZ History or TVNZ on demand etc. Do we need so many different destinations?

If the answer is who funds…

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But please Rob, perhaps you could accept that people have worked really hard in all good faith to bring people the material that's on the site now, and the content that will be added every week.

Totally.
I'm just throwing some ideas around Russell, re the download thing and possible…

I hope they also have a residual clause that states that if they're going to get more money now that they need to have the same hairstyle now as they did then!

That's a fantastic suggestion.

And what a great lineup on the site already, well done everyone involved.

one actor has a residual clause that runs into the high six figures, which just isn't viable for anyone.

I hope they also have a residual clause that states that if they're going to get more money now that they need to have the same hairstyle now as they did…

not knowing enough about how it all works for tv but for film and short film you're paid and sign a release contract, and that's it, you don't have any rights or involvement after that. as far as I know that's how it is. none of this actors have…

Are the contracts for TV programmes being funded from now on being amended to allow for movement onto nzonscreen automatically? After a certain period of time for example?

That would require an amendment to the Broadcasting Act, which is NZ On Air's enabling legislation.

I imagine it would be tricky…

Brenda, are NZ on Air looking ahead into the future on this one? Someone has mentioned previously that when funding music videos, having the video go on youtube is a requirement.

NZ On Screen isn't privy to the workings of NZ On Air's policy makers :) We are a project…

The issue of clearing and securing rights for the material on NZ On Screen has been a complex minefield of issues. Almost every single title has a different scenario.

Brenda, are NZ on Air looking ahead into the future on this one? Someone has mentioned previously that when funding music…

The issue of clearing and securing rights for the material on NZ On Screen has been a complex…

LOTR actors for example, had clauses in their contracts relating to merchandising. There may be differing clauses relating to the movie release, and dvds.

The writer's strike in the US a while ago…

Getting them all to agree to put it up on the internet must be a nightmare. And then if one disagrees, what do you do? Cut out that scene?

not knowing enough about how it all works for tv but for film and short film you're paid and sign a…

With something like shortland street how hard can it be. they keep accurate records.

One suspects it would need to be put into all the actor's/extra's contracts at the beginning. A season of shortland street must include hundreds of people who have given up their rights to have it displayed…

A gallery that buys a work holds the copyright to it.

the art gallery example may have been a bad one in some contexts cos an owner of a painting doesn't have the right to copy it unless it is expressly sought. when you buy a work from an art…

(I'm sure you wouldn't be keen on the government owning your master tapes if you took a recording grant.)

if they fully funded the projects my argument would be flimsy, but any grants received are only every a tiny portion of the whole project so that's not really applicable.
perhaps…

Rights owners and archives voluntarily licensed their work to us as a matter of public good, and they should be applauded for doing so.

top people, their shout etc. just on my morning walk past the art gallery which shows works of public interest free of charge.
it occurred to…

The video seems to be playing really well, apart from the odd issue for the likes of Richard.

all depends on who your internet providers are. I've got inet and xtra and both are shit at various times. can't even watch youtube without interuption some times. got to let it…

The comedy central web site where I watch any daily show clips that I miss is much more annoying.

The extent to which they've been able to break online video is remarkable. It's never worked well, but Viacom has succeeded in getting nearly all the Comedy Central content off YouTube,…

Flash isn't the best thing going and your buffering is pretty darn slow – I couldn't wait for the 1st Patu segment to finish loading and went to bed TBH.

It seems to work basically the same as youtube. I always just pause a video as soon as it starts,…

if you could watch it seamlessly, it remembered where you were up to if you had to pop out and started again from where you left off next time, then it wouldn't matter which hard drive it was on, essentially it would be easy access to you.

The video seems…

if it was downloadable (which I understand won't happen due to ancient attitudes to copyright – Robbery, waddya think of that!?)

sorry
I wasn't really reading this thread.
seems you're talking about a few issues in that comment.
one present internet connections suck so its hard to get a good…

Not to rag on ya too hard. But you know, best means best.

Your setup sounds a bit manky tbh. I've tried it on several machines at home including a low spec'd tiny screened Asus eePC and streams are quick, great looking and load fine.

But I find your attitude to the issues I expressed unwelcoming.

Here's my feedback: Flash isn't the best thing going and your buffering is pretty…

The discuss tab, that goes with every title, is there for just this kind of…

If you have things you'd like to see there – send us feedback!

If you have a problem with flash – tough. It's the best and most universal…

(Perhaps, just for variety, I could intersperse it…

God I hate those sites. I wish nobody used Flash for their sites... guess if it's so ubiquitous I'd better get with program(me)!

At the moment I don't have any flash plugin for Firefox, my main browsing browser, which without having to load all the flash crap one gets these…

God I hate those sites. I wish nobody used Flash for their sites... guess if it's so ubiquitous I'd better get with program(me)!

Cheers RW

What about WMV? I recall that's the name of the Microsoft software... haven't heard of Silverlight, obviously I'm not the techiest person round here though!

Silverlight is the new Microsoft video technology; WMV is the "old" one that's still pretty popular, but doesn't come with the toolbox that Flash does.

I don't have the latest Flash the stie says... oddly I can view footage on YouTube for sure no problems, I go there to see stuff.

Just update your Flash, it's pretty quick.

I can NEVER use the TVNZ player, it just doesn't work. Maybe it's the latest Flash thing,…

It really would be nice to be able to download the movies without an external application.

And it'd be great to do it the way Archive.org does, with downloadable MP4 files, but their content is public domain and Creative Commons — ours, like most archive television, is festooned with rights…

I can NEVER use the TVNZ player, it just doesn't work. Maybe it's the latest Flash thing, tho I don't get a message to…

That said, I just watched patu! and it was amazing. Really puts Keys claimed lack of opinion into perspective for someone from the younger generation.

Thanks for the heads up.

WTF? Flash player on the NZ On Screen site?
Why?
Does anyone use that anymore?

Oh, only YouTube, nearly all YouTube imitators, nearly all broadcaster websites, TVNZ ondemand, TV3, etc. It would not be going too far to say it's near ubiquitous.

Why not Real Player/Quicktime and whatever the Microsoft…

Why?

Does anyone use that anymore? Why not Real Player/Quicktime and whatever the Microsoft program's called...

Flash sucks ass. Big time. Sorry to harp but that is disappointing. There should be options – am I missing something or is Flash player…

Your mad and brilliant idea for the day.

And it's not even that mad. Obviously, the site needs to find its rhythm for the next six months or so, but there's no show-stopping reason that can't happen.

My mad idea for the day: date and geotag all the clips on NZ On Screen, then mash it up with Google Maps. Given sufficient material, you can then see what any part of the country looked like at any point in time.

Your mad and brilliant idea for the…

NZ On Screen, the living archive of New Zealand television and film that I've been on the trust board of for nearly year. It's a non-profit, public good project funded by NZ On Air

In a word – brilliant! Things I haven't seen for years (Spot On! Nice One Stu!).…

That's strange. It's bangin' through for me on two different connections.
Where are you trying from?
(If it's work, use the code-word, "harbour")

Ahh yes, now that I have swum to a secret island in the harbour, things seem to be working much better.

Joe "I don't wanna pay taxes" Plumber admits he and parents were on welfare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnK84mM5N-o

Can you lot all please stop looking at the site? I can't watch anything cos it's too busy.

*sobs*

That's strange. It's bangin' through for me on two different connections.

Where are you trying from?

(If it's work, use the code-word, "harbour")

*sobs*

That said, now that I've read your excerpt, I think NZ on Screen needs a new lawyer if they don't want me saving it without breacking the law :-)

I have passed on your observations ...

I knew I'd end up having this discussion with you lot on day one…

And now you provide Architect Athfield for my viewing pleasure. My cup is full

It was precisely with your current research interests in mind that I posted the link.

Graeme, it's not like you to fail to read the terms of use ...

I'm pretty sure it's very much like everyone...

That said, now that I've read your excerpt, I think NZ on Screen needs a new lawyer if they don't want me saving it without breacking the law…

If that is NOT what it's supposed to mean, it should probably be re-written.

It will still be in flash, but the latest [application redacted] will at least let you save it to your hard drive...

Graeme, it's not like you to fail to read the terms of use ...

This website is for your personal and educational, non-commercial use only. You agree not…

The big thing was just the pleasure of being able to enjoy an entire episode. Previously I'd only seen clips, and most of them were presented in a "Gah! Look how crazy things were in the '80s!!!!" So…

Shame it's in Flash.

It will still be in flash, but the latest [application redacted] will at least let you save it to your hard drive...

[I'm not on commission – promise]

Media 7 was great. A very good evening at the filming, and I'm sure the show will be just as much fun for those at home.

Yep — it's striking how much it adds to the show when there's a buzz in the audience.

This is the best thing to hapen since ages ago.

Does this mean NZOA is gonna re-brand?

No, but I think it's a major step in NZOA taking up the opportunities offered by the internet. The NZOA board was also commendably patient about it taking a little while for Onscreen…

Don't worry. I got wrong-footed exactly the same way the first time I read it.

Thanks for the heads-up — I've clarified that part of the post.

Ooooooooooooh. Ta.

You will do better in Google

Meaning you as a company will rank higher in Google results, not that you as a searcher should use MFNZ instead of Google.

you'll take advantage of the search engine optimisation built into the platform. You will do better in Google — and it's free.

If i'll do better in Google, why use madefromnewzealand.com then?

D: Just on

Does this mean NZOA is gonna re-brand? Raises an interesting question: where does NZOA really want NZ to be?

A: On air
B: On screen
C: On speaker-cones
D: I don't care where, as long as -

I once saw it at an anti-apartheid film festival in Berkeley CA in the old UC theatre (same place they…

NZ Onscreen, the living archive of New Zealand television and film

Eeeeeeee! I am doing a lot of squeaking today, but this is great!

Spot On is absolutely classic, as is the episode of After School, "MaoriMind".

i say well done to all involved. it's a great site, looks slick, and is easy to use.