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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						haha, the words of a jaded man.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:24:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>Incidentally my Bandcamp purchase of The Phoenix Foundation's album is coming through at 3.9kbs</p><p>It's the third time I've tried to buy something off the site in the past three weeks with this result and I've almost given up. Way to sell a an album....</p><p>Everything else online today is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:58:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>going by the fact that the number of unsigned artists selling direct to public FAR FAR FAR outweighs the number of artists on major labels &ndash; then that info i feel is very relevant -</p></blockquote><p>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that number of albums in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:50:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						and, haha, leave the long tail outta this...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:03:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's incredible how few acts reach any sales momentum at all, and how many self released acts sell almost nothing.</p></blockquote><p>haha, i'd agree with you there, but thats not what the graph is about. Its not about the amounts artists are selling, but how much they would have to sell…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:03:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and i am SURE that there are many artists selling 100 odd mp3 downloads of an album through their own sites/bandcamp per month.</p></blockquote><p>I think the data that came out after the Long Tail showed quite the opposite. It's incredible how few acts reach any sales momentum at all, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:19:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						But thats not what the graph is representing. Its showing how much of certain elements it takes to attaint that particular wage. If they had shown that it would only take 116 sales of an album online (@$10USD) per month (on own label) to attain that wage than the whole…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:50:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote>Russel, that online money earning graph is total bollocks, it neglects to show oncome earnt through sales of entire albums/eps in mp3 formats through bands own websites or sites like bandcamp etc... as that figure would skew the results in totally the other direction, ie, it would be the very…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:28:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						<p>I just still don't think I understand how the deal actually works.</p><p>Who gets the contra advertising stuff? How?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:47:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						thankfully it seems there is no way that APRA can do a similar deal as they are efectively owned by the singwriters who are members...so at least some royalties will be collected...but yeah, pretty dissapointed at PPNZs stance, seems kinda hypocritical
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				<title>Ian Jorgensen</title>
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						<p>I am freaking out about this. Juice and C4 are basically the only avenues the artists I work with actually get any royalties from as commercial radio won't touch them. </p><p>With C42 starting it means C4 have carte blanche to take anything they deem slightly alternative and relegate it to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:42:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						<p>A stuff <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/the-hit-list/3594514/Gig-review-Coachella-day-one" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">review</a> of Coachella referred to Gil Scott Heron as a homeless man and got his name wrong (Gil Heron Scott).</p><p>OOh that made me mad!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:40:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>Speaking of overseas festivals &ndash; Coachella is on right now (day 2 of 3 on NZ Sunday) and they're webcasting on facebook &amp; myspace;</p><p><a href="http://www.coachella.com/broadcast/webcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.coachella.com/broadcast/webcast</a></p><p>Hoping to catch Sly Stone (!?) and Gorillaz tomorrow, and whatever I can see today. Looks like webcast starts at 7pm EST, which is noon NZ…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:32:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Someone wants to be careful &ndash; enough high-tech tools that don't need thumbs, we humans might not be all that useful any more.</p></blockquote><p>My cat would certainly enjoy a device upon which she could play Planet Earth on demand. So many edible-looking birds, so little control over her viewing of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:43:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>  Roger Troutman, the late founder of funk masters Zapp, recorded this killer version...  ...Roger was shot dead by his brother the following year but the track is a monster.</blockquote>Killer? monster?. Obviously not monstery or killery enough.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:52:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						<p>I <em>think</em> I like the sound of this C42 deal. Mainly because it should mean more good content! </p><p>I wonder what it will mean for non IMNZ artists (um like me I guess). </p><p>By a share of advertising, does that mean a cut of the advertising revenue or like contra…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:41:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><strong>Update:</strong> spoke to Damian Vaughn from IMNZ about how the C42 deal works.</p><p>No money changes hands &mdash; the quid pro quo is a share of C42 advertising inventory on the channel, which can be used by members of IMNZ and PPNZ.</p><p>The arrangement was Mediaworks' initiative &mdash; they brought…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:45:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robbie Siataga</title>
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						<p>Cheers Russell, it  sux eh ? </p><p> I know first hand  how little on line artists get paid and how hard it is to get actual figures and payment from agents in other countries. For us it was never about making money on line, so were prepared to write it off,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:51:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>Cats don't even need expensive doohickeys to keep them happy.  A helpful human hand will do:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIR3XFuY4Qs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIR3XFuY4Qs</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:29:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>going to be a very dull &amp; repetitive channel if IMNZ members are contributing 60% of all videos played as the corner's quote suggests &ndash; no offence to IMNZ nor its members artists work</p><p>if correct accepting no royalty payments is just stupid</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:27:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>peter mclennan</title>
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						<p>Hi Russell, I wrote about this on the c42 royalties issue....</p><p><a href="http://dubdotdash.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-music-channel-on-freeview.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://dubdotdash.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-music-channel-on-freeview.html</a></p><p>also see The Corner blog, which wuotes official email on c42 that confirms "there will be no direct public performance royalties payable to content owners as attributable to play on C42."</p><p><a href="http://thecorner.co.nz/2010/04/16/so-about-that-new-c42-digital-channel-thats-being-launched-in-a-couple-of-weeks/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://thecorner.co.nz/2010/04/16/so-about-that-new-c42-digital-channel-thats-being-launched-in-a-couple-of-weeks/</a></p><p>From NZH's Drinnan column today... "Chris…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:05:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Whoops</title>
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						<p>re: PS3 and playtv... PLEASE let it be that.</p><p>Ondemand is pretty cool, but freeview is what I want, and what Sony promised years ago.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Hey Robbie: check out <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this brilliant graphic</a> on what artists actually earn online.
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						Someone wants to be careful &ndash; enough high-tech tools that don't need thumbs, we humans might not be all that useful any more.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:40:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robbie Siataga</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not sure. There is an agreement, but I can't work out exactly what it is..</p></blockquote><p>Yeah i cant see  Mediaworks or IMNZ would want the details in public before the tribunal findings are released. </p><p>It could compromise collection of IMNZ artist royalties in territories outside NZ. Sure the PPNZ affiliated…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:25:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						Snoop Dogg with a live band and slowly morphing into George Clinton could be the surprise hit on Friday at the Pyramid stage I reckon. Would love to be there.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So is IMNZ going to collect and distribute royalties on behalf of its members instead of PPNZ ?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure. There is an agreement, but I can't work out exactly what it is..</p>
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				<title>Robbie Siataga</title>
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						So is IMNZ going to collect and distribute royalties on behalf of its members instead of PPNZ ?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:05:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						LOL @ Iggy. Needs a mouse to toss around.
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				<title>Mark Thomas</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, LCD Soundsystem are streaming their new album, This Is Happening, in advance of its May 17 release. Sweet.</p></blockquote><p>Soooo good.  That really made my Friday.</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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