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Steve Barnes

Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:58:18 +1300

a crank and a racist.

My, that pointy white hat really suits you.

Kumara Republic

Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:08:11 +1300

They didn’t ask a single searching question or do any digging into his background prior to the election and haven’t given him a tough interview since then.

Birther movement, much?

Sacha

Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:06:02 +1300

They didn't ask a single searching question or do any digging into his background prior to the election

Hilarious #truther

James Bremner

Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:01:24 +1300

You think you have it bad? The cult of Obama would have to be the worst ever. As far as the main stream media is concerned, Obama's shit smells of roses. They didn't ask a single searching question or do any digging into his background prior to the election and…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:39:14 +1300

I had a dream…
Pass that pipe over here,
I'd like some of that...

merc

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:32:30 +1300

The win at any cost approach reeks of sadness. Really, there is more to life, insert Shakespeare quote here.

Sacha

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:08:25 +1300

Naturally the Herald will be offering a front page story to The Standard as balance.

Sacha

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:04:19 +1300

Front page and is either DPF is a seer or a charlatan

Outrageously obvious dogwhistling to the right's voters.

The Herald DigiPoll released this morning indicates that a Labour-led Govt is a possibility, if NZ First make 5% and Epsom voters do not vote for John Banks and Ohariu voters…

Tom Semmens

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:56:52 +1300

It is a disgrace that he is allowed to continue writing his column two weeks out from polling day. It is an extended party political broadcast not extended to other parties.

Richard Grevers

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:56:07 +1300

You forgot the Conservatives

I didn't think there were enough skinheads here to make an impact

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:54 +1300

I had a dream… NZ First gathers momentum and gets 4.7% of the vote – but no seat. ACT gets 4% but loses Epsom. Their votes come from National who only get 44%. Labour and Greens get through :-)

You forgot the Conservatives.

merc

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:10:44 +1300

Front page and is either DPF is a seer or a charlatan,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10765272

Richard Grevers

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:05:15 +1300

I had a dream... NZ First gathers momentum and gets 4.7% of the vote – but no seat. ACT gets 4% but loses Epsom. Their votes come from National who only get 44%. Labour and Greens get through :-)

merc

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:45:03 +1300

Would have got front page easy if they listed top 10 National cafe's.

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:49:23 +1300

I think the odd thing was that they headlined the story with the “top 10 points” or whatever, then the story spent quite a few words waffling and not delivering on the headline. I felt badly served as a reader,

Oh sure. But "reprint anything that party leaders say" is…

merc

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:35:44 +1300

Actually Ralph Wiggum came to mind, really he did.
http://members.fortunecity.com/cgraham1/cgraham1/id1.html

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:04:25 +1300

ACT, apparently, is an acronym for Association
of Consumers and Tax payers
A O CAT P has a much better ring to it!
current Govt = reigning Cats n Dogs...
as it were, as u were...

Steve Barnes

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:41:35 +1300

More Dubya than Thatcher I reckon.

I dunno.
It seems to me that the only real difference, is here in NZ we can fuck the poor off to Australia and let the wealthy enjoy “100% Clean Green NZ” but who is going to keep their bogs clean while they dabble…

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:19:54 +1300

So, non-white models are fabulous but they've got to have "the right look" – which, surprise, just happens to be remarkably similar to a tall, underweight Pakeha teenager. Thanks for putting my mind at rest, Mandy – I couldn't have said that straight-faced without fresh botox

Classic case of [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButNotTooBlack|But…

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:16:02 +1300

Do I have to leave here now because NZ has just caught up with Thatcher?

More Dubya than Thatcher I reckon.

Steve Barnes

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:13:23 +1300

Thanks for putting my mind at rest, Mandy – I couldn't have said that straight-faced without fresh botox.

Absolutely Fabulous....
Need I say more?

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:08:31 +1300

The second part of this week's show will also be worth catching. Sarah Daniell interviews sociologist and former fashion model Ashley Mears on how the media fawn over fashionistas and miss the real, more troubling, stories in the industry.

The troubling part of the story was watching Amanda Bansgrove spinning…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:00:07 +1300

It’s got so bad I’m numbed already, nothing,

Yeah, well. I left England to escape the ravages of Thatcher, people leave their homes because it is no longer Home.
When I came here we had a Labour Government, 1986…
Labour is better now. Shit, in 1984 they had to clean…

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:45:20 +1300

It's got so bad I'm numbed already, nothing, not even John at the prawn farm affects me now.

Does the word 'poseur' come to mind?

Kumara Republic

Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:30:02 +1300

Simon Collins did so with the emigration to Australia claim – which turned out to be true – but the rest of it sort of disappeared. It was really pretty poor.

And right now the PSA union, of all people, is raising the issue. Not sure how much traction it’s…

merc

Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:44:51 +1300

It's got so bad I'm numbed already, nothing, not even John at the prawn farm affects me now.

Russell Brown

Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:59 +1300

I don’t see why The Herald or any other paper is obligated to reprint the entirety of any list that Phil Goff or anyone else comes up with. That would make them the mouthpiece of Labour, not National. I hope they pick and choose what they print throughout the campaign.…

Lilith __

Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:35:00 +1300

Like this tripe

Oh, gods. Firstly, ewww! Secondly, WTF?!

JacksonP

Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:31:47 +1300

I hope they pick and choose what they print throughout the campaign.

Oh don't worry, they are. Like this tripe. Although at least in the online version they don't link to the poll in question, as they do in the print version.

Careful what you wish for.

Kyle Matthews

Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:53:06 +1300

The Granny finally publishes Goff's Top 10... but still framed around Key rather than Goff.

I don't see why The Herald or any other paper is obligated to reprint the entirety of any list that Phil Goff or anyone else comes up with. That would make them the mouthpiece of…

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:03:18 +1300

Key says he is not worried about Cunliffe's latest smear attempt
Of course he's not. No one is confronting him effectively with simple messages around the recent downgrades, for instance. Waffle is easily deflected.

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:13:25 +1300

The framing is awesome.

A nice guilt frame always displays well.

DCBCauchi

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:28:56 +1300

If only we'd grabbed a chance, we wouldn't be sorry for a might-have-been.

merc

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:25:03 +1300

And http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/campaign-trail/5935507/Labour-lays-it-on-National-with-another-list
The framing is awesome.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:21:27 +1300

The Granny finally publishes Goff's Top 10... but still framed around Key rather than Goff.

The wider issue is that not everyone has the attention spans that we do, in order to sort the wheat from the chaff. When you're working 55+ hour working weeks just to buy that magical plastic item…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:18:04 +1300

Present and real...
Watch YU55 fly by live at SLOOH or live from Keck Observatory in about 40 minutes (it's 2.18pm now)...
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PACWAV 11 tsunami exercise is on tomorrow as is the FCC's Emergency Broadcast test which will usurp control of all US…

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:23:29 +1300

According to the Prime Minister we only read the headlines anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAR8LqQn_tc

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:31:02 +1300

discussed hereabouts for many years now

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:24:16 +1300

but that’s the subeditors,

Who are subcontracted out to Pagemakers in Australia.
Think about that for a while.

Joe Wylie

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:05:31 +1300

– but that’s the subeditors . . .
Do they still have those?
Anyway, for the not-so-Bieberfeverish, from the Saturday before last's container mall event, the non-smiling assasin.

Sacha

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:59:09 +1300

The Harold headlines are certainly biased – but that's the subeditors, not the journos, isn't it?

Steve Barnes

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:36:32 +1300

National hits back at Goff's 'vital statistics' Call that hitting back? "its rubbish"
that is more like the petulant tantrum of a two year old. If the Prime Minister had any concrete evidence he would have used it then but he has nothing.
Newspapers and media in general are all…

Tom Semmens

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:24:22 +1300

“…I do believe that if Labour had a dashing leader who attracted young women at the races, you would see an equivalent story…”

Stuart Nash and Jacinda Ardern as the red dreamboat team for 2014, perhaps? Has our political journalism really come to that? Actually, that is a rhetorical question.…

Stephen Judd

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:12:12 +1300

Ditto celebrity-obsession; presidential-style politics; soundbite coverage: if you think it’s a Herald problem you ain’t been watching TV or reading the quality press in the UK for about 10 years.

Yes, I think this is an important point. In my day job, I see what's popular with the online news…

Tom Semmens

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:01:43 +1300

What’s amazing to me is that supporters of any political party have always alleged that the Herald is conspiring against them and in bed with their enemies.

Have you even bothered reading the Herald in, oh, the last 48 hours? Apart from the two stories above – Goff is rubbish…

Joe Wylie

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:59:36 +1300

But Hawke had been in politics – or at least the trade union movement – for years, and was immensely popular before he entered parliament. In other words, he had a track record and a history.
Hardly a history that justified the fawning collusion with the media that inflated Hawke's…

Matthew Poole

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:58:11 +1300

You need to look for a somewhat more sophisticated analysis than bleating “the Herald is anti-[insert name of your favourite party here]”. It just doesn’t bear scrutiny

It may not be anti-Labour, but it's sure as hell pro-Key. The difference is, IMO, a semantic pissing contest.

Failing to detail Goff's…

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:39:07 +1300

I need a bucket. Ugh!

Tom Semmens

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:35:14 +1300

But Hawke had been in politics – or at least the trade union movement – for years, and was immensely popular before he entered parliament. In other words, he had a track record and a history.

John Key parachuted in from nowhere complete with a lovely made for TV fairy…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:29:09 +1300

Here is our own Berlusconi amongst his betters at the
Christchurch Cup Day yesterday :

Meanwhile, the real Berlusconi is finally coming unstuck.

Peter Calder

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:26:21 +1300

The media bias in the Herald against Labour – or the Greens or anyone who isn’t part of the “we love John Key” Glee Club really – is amazing.

What’s amazing to me is that supporters of any political party have always alleged that the Herald is conspiring against them…

Joe Wylie

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:16:47 +1300

I have never seen anything like the current cult of Key in any modern democracy anywhere.
Then you’ve mercifully missed Bob Hawke’s 80s “love affair with the Australian people”. While Key’s independent means might not spare him from the inevitable ‘put some clothes on, you’re disgusting’ phase that follows all…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:49:19 +1300

Trouble clef... over the Middle C at the Gee-Gees
I have never seen anything like the current cult of Key
in any modern democracy anywhere.
Here is our own Berlusconi amongst his betters at the
Christchurch Cup Day yesterday :
"You've got a wife!" one of the men at the races…

Tom Semmens

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:16:15 +1300

The media bias in the Herald against Labour – or the Greens or anyone who isn’t part of the “we love John Key” Glee Club really – is amazing.Claire Trevett and Audrey Young helpfully include quotation marks around their report on the story, just so the reader is sure to know…

Hilary Stace

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:17:36 +1300

It was mentioned in the local paper.

Geoff Houtman

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:10:00 +1300

Peter, there's an Auckland Central meet the candidates at the Tomo night (wed) at 5.15 at the Fale Behind the Owen Glenn Bldg at Auck uni.

Thursday is Auck Central candidates in Ponsonby but unsure where?

Kumara Republic

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:25:24 +1300

Fairfax, on the other hand, listed the full monty.

Peter Calder

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:18:53 +1300

Peter, depends where you are.
Doh! Sorry. I am in central Auckland (Auckland Central too but happy to travel)

raoulduke

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:17:32 +1300

Radio NZ this afternoon mentioned the Goff top ten, played a sample of Key on Letterman but didn't tell us what was in the Goff top 10.

Matthew Poole

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:13:16 +1300

On the topic of presentation, Granny is at it again, leaving out Goff's "Top 10 list of Govt shortcomings" from the article of the same title. I count two, or possibly three, of the aforementioned 10.

I guess a 30% completeness score is better than Granny's normal levels, but it's still…

Sacha

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:41:12 +1300

have been instructed by their parties not to attend

Any links to back that up? I read a statement that the candidates could choose.

Hilary Stace

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:18:08 +1300

Peter, depends where you are. Wellington Central is currently having several a week, always has, and they are always crowded. They are organised by residents' associations and various interest groups. The local young feminists collective has one tonight to ask the parties why there are no women candidates in Wgtn…

Sacha

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:14:21 +1300

Haven't seen any lists for each electorate. There's a broader forum tonight and another next week organised by Auckland trade unions:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1111/S00098/auckland-community-election-forums-political-speed-dating.htm

Peter Calder

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:53:29 +1300

Does anyone know where one can easily locate a list of where candidates are holding "meet the people" meetings in local halls etc? Or did they stop doing that when that interweb thing was invented

Ross Mason

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:06:55 +1300

How will you pay for it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyDBsMi7WE8&feature=related

merc

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:52:42 +1300

Reality, How does he get those wonderful toys, part 4
Prime Minister John Key has hit back at criticism from Phil Goff, saying the Labour leader is in denial and should "focus on reality".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/campaign-trail/5925786/Goff-needs-to-get-with-reality-Key
He should just cut to the chase and say to Goff, you know I am…

Matthew Poole

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:15:22 +1300

Apropos nothing in particular, I had David Seymour as my ECON101 tutor. He did a pretty good job of teaching the topic, rather than pandering to his ideological bent, but it was fairly obvious to one who knew his political leanings that he wasn't entirely in agreement with some bits…

Grant McDougall

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:34:51 +1300

The NZ Herald's reaction is baffling. An actor criticising National is as predictable as a businessman / woman criticising Labour.

Both fall into the "and in breaking news, water is wet" category.

Public Address

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:34:51 +1300

Discussion from blog post.