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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p><q>The ones we know about can at least be ringfenced as known unknowns. But this is moving into the territory of unknown unknowns.</q></p><p>And these are the unknowns that we really need to know more about.</p>
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						Meanwhile, the venerable Brian Edwards <a href="http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2014/04/is-this-journalism-or-a-party-political-broadcast-on-behalf-of-the-national-party/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">calls bare-faced bias on Paddy Gower</a>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:09:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> They shoot mad dogs don’t they?</q></p><p>Prebble's back but!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:43:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I wouldn’t like to speculate: there are too many unknowns.</q></p><p>The ones we know about can at least be ringfenced as known unknowns. But this is moving into the territory of unknown unknowns.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:10:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>It would be interesting to have the Don't Knows analysed. There could be a number of categories like:<br />Don't Care<br />Don't Know Anything About Politics<br />Don't Bother About It Until The Election<br />Follow Politics But Don't Decide Until Election Day</p><p>I'm the last of those, I've always had a bit…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 06:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>“A survey in 2012 by Canstar Blue found that a third of Generation Y in New Zealand have abandoned landlines; 14 per cent of Generation X and 8 per cent of Baby Boomers.”</q></p><p>And I'm one of the said GenX/Y 'cord-cutters', in more ways than one.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 03:28:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						I wouldn't like to speculate: there are too many unknowns.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 01:02:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I think the safest conclusion about rising Don't Knows, is that we don't know why. Why don't we know? I don't know.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:59:35 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>'Don't know' in the Colmar poll were not 18%, they were 13% (up 3). There was also 'Refused' at 5% (up 2). Both add up to 18 but they are not the same thing.</q><br />You're right thanks &mdash; I went searching and found the breakdown. It's still by far the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:44:27 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>At the least, the increase in undecided voters &mdash; some of whom may be turning away from labour and Cunliffe, remember &mdash; seems worthy of comment.</q><br />Did you riff off Bomber for this post? I inadvertently set him on to this today. </p><p>Beloved and I clocked it last night as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:59:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p><q> Being asked to quantify my feelings from 1-7 on 20 minutes’ worth of repetitive, barely distinguishable questions is not at all my idea of a good time. </q></p><p>Though presumably at least one person suggested that "Spark" sounded "dynamic" and "innovative" ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:45:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p><q>I blame brand perception surveys. Being asked to quantify my feelings from 1-7 on 20 minutes’ worth of repetitive, barely distinguishable questions is not at all my idea of a good time. The dropout rate during those surveys must be huge.</q><br />They are certainly part of the problem, along with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:38:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>I’d also point out that political polling has grown up around trying to predict two horse races, with relatively little interest in those dwelling in single digits. In contrast, in New Zealand, we have a very great interest in the results of our small parties.</p><p>A second important issue in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:28:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s clear that people are increasingly sick of answering cold calls. </q></p><p>I blame brand perception surveys. Being asked to quantify my feelings from 1-7 on 20 minutes' worth of repetitive, barely distinguishable questions is not at all my idea of a good time. The dropout rate during those surveys must…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:26:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						In my academic (and non-political) research, we've also found non-response to be an enormous issue. It's clear that people are increasingly sick of answering cold calls. The political pollsters clearly have some tricks up their sleeves, as their reponse rate is higher than we've been able to get, but in…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:05:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Assuming that National and Green variances last election will be repeated this election are risky. </q></p><p>This is true. And if it were only 2011 that followed this pattern then I wouldn't be so sure. But it's also based on 2008 where the same thing. Most polls had National 2-3% higher…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:46:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>Assuming that National and Green variances last election will be repeated this election are risky. There's no way of knowing if polling companies have changed their weightings, and each election has different circumstances. </p><p>I think National last support late in the last election because of the cup of tea fiasco,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:36:28 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Roy Morgan include cellphones.</q></p><p>Exactly. I was aware of this but as the results you list above show there isn't really a significant difference. I think the non-polling cell phones isn't a big deal. </p><p>I think there is some flaw in the methodology that the pollsters use which means National…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:26:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>A pollster on cellphones in polling:<br />"The company that I work for has no policy on “…refusing to call cell phones.In fact, they do randomly dial cell phones for telephone surveys."</p><p>"At present my view is that, in New Zealand, non-response is a far far bigger source of error than…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:24:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>Roy Morgan include cellphones.</p><p>Yesterday's polls plus the last Roy Morgan poll for the four biggest parties:</p><p>National &ndash; RM 45.5, CB 47, RR 45.9<br />Labour &ndash; RM 31.5, CB 31, RR 31.2<br />Green Party &ndash; RM 14, CB 11, RR 11.3<br />NZ First &ndash; RM 3.5, CB 7, RR…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:14:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I can’t get why they are still so ubiquitous. It’s not like the cost of the damned phone call to cell phones is a really significant part of a survey cost.</q></p><p>I read somewhere that the biggest complexity of cellphone polling is that a lot of people have multiple cellphones…</p>
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						<p><q>A phone poll via land line is almost laughable.</q></p><p>This is only a factor if the people who don't own a land line vote differently from those who are in the same demographic and do. So say half the people between 18-30 don't have a land line if the other…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Also ( MMP notwithstanding) it is very hard for one grouping to make it 3 elections in a row and so to some extent that pushes the momentum over to a Labour led grouping. </q></p><p>Quite the opposite. It's very hard for them NOT to make 3 elections. That's the median…</p>
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						<q>But these are actually questions that possibly could be statistically answered. I’m curious whether polling companies would attempt that, considering that they do get competitive advantage out of having better results. By better I mean “results that more accurately predict what customers really want to know – what the actual…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:29:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>What I find interesting is that the polls in the US and Australia when aggregated prove very accurate but in NZ this isn't the case at all.</p><p>One factor may be the lack of exit polls. Pollsters can use the demographic data obtained from exit polls to help weight their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:27:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						I'm curious if anyone else sees a consistent media fascination with ACT and equally consistent tendency to ignore Mana. They seem to have similar levels of support &ndash; Mana have a safer seat than  ACT, since ACT's is courtesy of another party, and it seems possible that Mana could pick…
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				<title>ThoughtSpur</title>
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						<p>I strongly disagree that the way the poll is conducted doesn’t skew the result or impose bias on the result. A phone poll via land line is almost laughable. </p><p>“A survey in 2012 by Canstar Blue found that a third of Generation Y in New Zealand have abandoned landlines; 14…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 17:19:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>No, because that kind of maths is well above my pay grade. But, yeah, I would like pollsters commenting on political polling (and how they are reported) to be more forthcoming about any potential or actual conflicts of interest they may have in their client lists. If it’s a good…</q>
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				<title>Ianmac</title>
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						<p>Yes Sofie. Gower asks the question which shows he wants the answer to match his intent and even if the interviewee gives a conflicting answer Gower ploughs ahead with his version of what was said even when blatantly untrue. Then reports his untrue version on the 6pm News. <br />Ought to…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Is there any part of his maths you question? Because that post is really just maths.</q></p><p>No, because that kind of maths is well above my pay grade.  But, yeah, I would like pollsters commenting on political polling (and how they are reported) to be more forthcoming about any potential…</p>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>What I get from all of this is that news media take the surveys and then make up whatever they want to editorialise on. And that is regardless of what a more careful analysis might show. </p><p>In the US there is a huge volume of polls around the election and…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>‘Don’t know’ in the Colmar poll were not 18%, they were 13% (up 3). </q></p><p>My mistake. It's the don't know + refuse to say figure, which is up 5%, but I accidentally left out out the second part. I've corrected the wording.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And, frankly, FUCK “COMMERCIAL SENSITIVITY”. You’re been presented as expert opinion, you don’t get to pretend you’re a disinterested party in how your industry is perceived.</q></p><p>Is there any part of his maths you question? Because that post is really just maths. And it's on the UMR website.</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Though after the last election, polling of non-voters suggested more National voters stayed home because National "was going to win" than did those who might have voted for opposed blocks.</p><p>So declaring a victor before polling really does make everyone less likely to vote. And more so for National matches…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> more than any other the media is playing a much bigger role in “shaping” perceptions.</q></p><p>I have just been reading interviews with various people on The Nation and from Rachel Smalley, Gower and Simon Shepherd. Can I say the Garneresque grotesque style of interviewer spitting out suggestive questions followed with…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q> It’s part of a burning question: are polls intended to reflect public opinion, or influence it?</q><br />Bloody good question Deep Red. <br />It seems to me that in this election more than any other the media is playing a much bigger role in "shaping" perceptions. The recent nazisification of Kim.Com was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:03:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If you haven’t already, it’s worth reading UMR’s Gavin White in the historical accuracy of the major political polls. </q></p><p>I'm not picking on UMR in particular, but one thing I'd like to see more of in pollsters commenting on polls and their reporting is full disclosure of their political/media clients.…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yes, it's extremely hard to make sense of the error margins they give. Each number should get its own 95% (or whatever they pick, which should also be reported) confidence interval. It's pretty shit when even people who do understand statistics can't reliably understand what the numbers they give represent.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:27:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>'Don't know' in the Colmar poll were not 18%, they were 13% (up 3). There was also 'Refused' at 5% (up 2). Both add up to 18 but they are not the same thing.</p><p>My guess is that uncertainty will be across the spectrum. There's good cause to pause  before…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:23:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.statschat.org.nz/2011/10/25/all-about-election-polls" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This statistician's view on election polls</a> is still highly relevant.</p><p>Apart from the obvious and very troubling bias in all the polls towards National there is a huge problem with the way the data is reported for any party that gets significantly less than 50% of the vote. By reporting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:10:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>One interesting nugget in the full Colmar Brunton results is the proportion of undecided voters (who are excluded from the headline figures)– 18%, up five points on the previous poll. That didn’t feature in the report, but it seems a notable shift. On the preferred Prime Minister question, “don’t know”…</q>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>because landlines or whatever</q></p><p>Even when everyone had a landline, there was a bias in who picked up the phone, could be bothered to talk to you, etc.</p><p>I believe that pollsters in these cases make an empirical adjustment based on demographics (so they ask people a/s/l and use that)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:42:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>It intrigues me that the Green vote in the past has not reflected the various poll results, in that it is lower<br />Which if you think their supporters are young and connected would knock on the head the theory that polls underestimate those who don't have </p><p>I guess it might…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>When the reality is that undecided voters are going through the roof </q></p><p>At the least, the increase in undecided voters &mdash; some of whom may be turning away from labour and Cunliffe, remember &mdash; seems worthy of comment.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:35:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Oh, and keep up the good work. I find those graphs extremely useful compared to anything in the MSM news. A real trove of info, and always leading to interesting debate.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:25:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Figured as much, but it was good for a cheap laugh.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:19:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>You really think Winnie's going to string everyone along for three months? :P<br />I guess it's not without precedent.</q></p><p>Heh. No, it was a typo. Thanks</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:15:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>It’s entirely possible that they’re measuring accurately, and that people are consistently having a last-minute change of heart on election day.</q></p><p>Yes. Or even that there’s some kind of systematic lying about intentions to vote National. Or that the undecided at polling time subsequently decide before the election itself, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:14:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>the question of who gets to form a government in <strong>December</strong></q> (my emphasis)</p><p>You really think Winnie's going to string everyone along for three months? :P<br />I guess it's not without precedent.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:00:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Yes, I'm pretty sure Danyl made the same reasoning explicit in a post once. But the rub is in what Gavin say here:<br /><q>I'm not privy to what exactly the other companies ensure that their samples are representative and I'm not going to share our exact methods with you -…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:49:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Green</title>
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						<p>My understanding is that they would prefer to reduce the error by improving their sampling techniques rather than using an adhoc fudge factor like we do.</p><p>It's entirely possible that they're measuring accurately, and that people are consistently having a last-minute change of heart on election day. An arbitrary adjustment…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:42:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>3 News was lauding new Act leader Jamie Whyte for lifting his party from zero (clearly not the party’s real level of support) to 1.1%</q></p><p>1.1% of, say, a thousand voters is 11 people. .4% (the TVNZ level of support for ACT) is 4 people. In other words, when you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:38:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<a href="http://sayit.co.nz/blog/what-political-polls-tell-us" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">That Gavin White analysis</a> is a good place to start.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:34:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Further to the bias adjustment, btw, I do not know to what extent this reasoning is actually correct. It's possible that the pollsters are actually taking this into account already, in which case Danyl is reliably underestimating the National support. Does anyone actually know if they do? It's not like…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>and has serially called for every Labour leader’s head as a result of this</q></p><p>He's not the only one to do that. I find the mass kvetching a bit wearying at times.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:29:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>It would be great if media outlets could stop reporting poll results as if we still had First Past the Post. Six elections is surely enough time to grow up and do their fecking jobs. </p><p>I do not care how either Labour or the Nats are rating on their own,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:26:53 +1300</pubDate>
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						I rely on Danyl's poll of polls before I even bother with polling news. It's worth noting that he "adjusts for bias", which means that he turns down the average for each party by how much the average got it wrong at the last election. This was substantial for National.…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:21:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						Excellent feature on this very subject on <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2590766/mediawatch-for-30-march-2014" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">yesterday's Media Watch programme</a> from RNZ
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				<title>Peter Green</title>
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						<q>Commissioned polls are news you can can own. They are exclusive at the time of publication and if they’re sufficiently interesting they may then be picked up and quoted by other media organisations. The natural approach to maximising the value of your investment in a poll is to make a…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:00:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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