Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Perception and reality in the criminal justice system https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217593#post217593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217593#post217593

There are still gross injustices in our legal system-

This confession was a turn up for the book

]]> Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:13:07 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217488#post217488 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217488#post217488 Peter Ellis, anybody?

There are still gross injustices in our legal system-

fundies?
Only a black & white view of our world – and they dont actually even like it!

]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:08:24 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217487#post217487 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217487#post217487 Failing that, I’d like a debate with McVicar. Kim Workman is both erudite and admirable, but too bloody polite when the bullshit starts to flow!!

Better still, what about the Arthur Allan Thomases of this world, and anyone else who's suffered due to miscarriages of justice? On the other hand,…

]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:58:54 +1200 Rex Widerstrom https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217411#post217411 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217411#post217411 You might still enjoy the show we did record last night – Chief Judge Russell Johnson was particularly good value.

I did indeed, and as was David Lomas. There's a similar effort to what I understand his series to have been, on screen in Australia now – "On Trial". Anyone…

]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:03:02 +1200 vangam https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217344#post217344 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217344#post217344 Easier to not be a Switched on Gardener
Someone needs to write a book on that travesty – the 'inside' story.

]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:21:09 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217343#post217343 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217343#post217343 Switched on Gardener ]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:35:07 +1200 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217336#post217336 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217336#post217336 From Rex:

I will interject the comment, however, that the new paradigm for dealing with statistics , peer-reviewed research etc amongst politicians (especially my personal favourite, the Attorney General of WA) is to blithely state "I don't accept that" leaving the profferer of said data slack-jawed in amazement at the…

]]> Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:12:53 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217279#post217279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217279#post217279 A suggestion to TVNZ7 readers: a show which brings the Minister of Justice, the Attorney General and/or the Minister of Corrections into a prison to answer questions from prisoners, prison officers and others who actually know what they’re talking about.

Interesting idea. You might still enjoy the show we did…

]]> Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:01:00 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217278#post217278 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217278#post217278 Stirring Porridge...?
Unashamedly stolen from the BBC’s Question Time, which put several pollies into Wormwood Scrubs to do just that.
Wormwood scrubs always makes me think of bitter aromatic overalls – the medical equivalent of a hair-shirt!
absinthe makes the heart grow fondue...

]]> Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:46:35 +1200 Dave Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217265#post217265 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217265#post217265 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:16 +1200 Rex Widerstrom https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217264#post217264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217264#post217264 A suggestion to TVNZ7 readers: a show which brings the Minister of Justice, the Attorney General and/or the Minister of Corrections into a prison to answer questions from prisoners, prison officers and others who actually know what they're talking about.

Unashamedly stolen from the BBC's Question Time, which put several…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:28:48 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217261#post217261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217261#post217261 Yet “The matched samples were identical in terms of age, gender, ethnicity, type of offence and number of previous convictions so that the effectiveness of each kind of sentence could be compared for the first time.”

So the study basically (as far as I can tell) assumed that, beyond those…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:59:41 +1200 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217257#post217257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217257#post217257 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:19:58 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217254#post217254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217254#post217254 Here was me thinking John Key had come up with that by himself.

That is grossly unfair. Gerry held his hand and supports him still.

Just like John did for Don...

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:56:26 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217253#post217253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217253#post217253

however, that the new paradigm for dealing with statistics , peer-reviewed research etc amongst politicians (especially my personal favourite, the Attorney General of WA) is to blithely state “I don’t accept that”

Here was me thinking John Key had come up with that by himself.

Further link: Rotorua [[http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1106/S00585/2011-perceptions-of-safety-survey.htm|Perceptions of…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:54:01 +1200 Rex Widerstrom https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217251#post217251 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217251#post217251 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:41:21 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217247#post217247 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217247#post217247 And of course, via the Goldacre link I think I can thank this forum for on proper trails for policy, Reoffending rates higher after short jail terms, study finds.

The first authoritative analysis of the effectiveness of different sentences shows that longer prison sentences of two to four years –…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:27:26 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217244#post217244 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217244#post217244 oh yes everyone seems to forget they will come out one day

Yeah, this. I really can't see why it isn't a no-brainer. Do we want functioning humans involved as part of society, or highly-damaged individuals with a huge grudge against The Man, and little to lose?

Erwin James's two…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:55:51 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217235#post217235 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217235#post217235 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:48:17 +1200 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217221#post217221 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217221#post217221 So pending further info I’ll maintain my suspicion that in Becroft’s letter any ‘success’ in the Fresh Start was administrative (apart from anything [or everything] else they haven’t been going that long) and when asked if they could be expanded he said, “that is indeed possible”.

And he also mentioned…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:44:23 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217219#post217219 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217219#post217219 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:36:32 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217215#post217215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217215#post217215 It was refreshing however to hear Bill English talk about the economic advantages of long term prevention over prisons

Now if they could get Goff to follow suit..

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:17:50 +1200 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217212#post217212 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217212#post217212 Prisoners may be considered for parole after serving just 14 days

A great read thank you Stephen. (Have saved it for another day.)
I read somewhere else that the MSM in Finland were enlisted to stop using crime reporting as front page features. I guess the damage done to public…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:06:46 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217211#post217211 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217211#post217211 So pending further info I'll maintain my suspicion that in Becroft's letter any 'success' in the Fresh Start was administrative (apart from anything [or everything] else they haven't been going that long) and when asked if they could be expanded he said, "that is indeed possible".

And he also mentioned…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:06:01 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217204#post217204 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217204#post217204 After all I'd read

There's your difference :)

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:49:50 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217199#post217199 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217199#post217199 Lyndon – I have asked for a copy of this letter but my understanding is that the PM did not have Judge Becroft’s permission to table that letter.
It intrigues me because Judge Becroft has not been a supporter of boot camps in the past.

I was at a lecture…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:20:37 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217198#post217198 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217198#post217198 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:18:38 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217189#post217189 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217189#post217189 This makes one doubt his actual commitment to effective solutions.

As opposed to culture war pig farming, methinks?

It was refreshing however to hear Bill English talk about the economic advantages of long term prevention over prisons , its a start.
And what does it mean when even ACT's Heather…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:36:29 +1200 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217188#post217188 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217188#post217188 Rather than looking at what is wrong with the NZ system (and there is plenty) a good look and some serious time spent discussing the Finnish set up might be helpful in breaking the present cycle of locking up more and more of our citizens

I would suggest that diversion…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:30:52 +1200 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217186#post217186 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217186#post217186 If we had some political will to tackle the sources of crime through multi-generational approaches, we’d get somewhere

Matthew – you are of course so right. It's an area I work in and its frustrating to see so much heat going into the crime and punishment area when longer term…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:09:52 +1200 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217184#post217184 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217184#post217184 but has anyone sighted the actual Becroft letter about youth justice that Key tabled? I can’t shake the idea comments on different bits of the system are being confused in the reporting I saw.

Lyndon – I have asked for a copy of this letter but my understanding is that…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:53:58 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217181#post217181 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217181#post217181 Didn’t Garth McVicar go to Finland with an official delegation of the last Labour government, led by Phil Goff I think. But IIRC he wasn’t impressed.

Au contraire. He was very impressed:

New Zealand's prison system is being held up as an example of what not to do in…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:35:03 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217178#post217178 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217178#post217178 It all reinforces my suspicions of today’s ‘corrections’ policy being less about setting people back on the right path, and more about crypto-segregationist politics.

Let me fix that for you:
It all reinforces my suspicions of today’s ‘corrections’ policy being less about setting people back on the right path, and…

]]> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:46:51 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217172#post217172 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217172#post217172 Didn’t Garth McVicar go to Finland with an official delegation of the last Labour government, led by Phil Goff I think. But IIRC he wasn’t impressed.

Wouldn't be surprised in the least. His idol just happens to be a blustering Arizona sheriff who has the Feds – yes, the freaking…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:52:24 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217168#post217168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217168#post217168 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:20:26 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217167#post217167 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217167#post217167 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:14:47 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217163#post217163 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217163#post217163 It all reinforces my suspicions of today’s ‘corrections’ policy being less about setting people back on the right path, and more about crypto-segregationist politics.

While NZ ranks high on the imprisonment scale, we’re actually behind (not just USA) Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Singapore, South Africa and Brazil – and that’s just…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:01:57 +1200 Kim Workman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217161#post217161 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217161#post217161 The drop may be due in part to increased adult diversion by the Police, particularly in the Auckland region. Some believe it is the result of remand prisoners spending less time in prison due to the reduction in deposition hearings.

There is no evidence that it is due to a…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:29:14 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217157#post217157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217157#post217157 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:05:04 +1200 Kim Workman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217145#post217145 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217145#post217145 Have responded to SST's self-selecting poll on 3 strikes for young offenders. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1106/S00253/three-strikes-for-younger-offenders-is-still-a-bad-idea.htm
Andrew BEcroft's paper 'How to turn a Child Offender into an Adult Criminal in 10 Easy Steps' is a good read. On www.rethinking.org.nz

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:28:18 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217142#post217142 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217142#post217142 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:56:38 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217140#post217140 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217140#post217140 A lot of that is Defence lawyer speak. On the books cannabis is illegal, in attempt to persuade the sentencing Justice to give Home D which Bryant was right on the cusp of potentially getting, one has to show the Sentencer that assn with said illegal substance is diminishing, –… ]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:44:25 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217138#post217138 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217138#post217138 Since no significant part of the anglosphere was occupied, we didn’t benefit from this “inoculation”.

A different scenario than both Japan and China, post their respective wars. Of the many places I would choose not to be a criminal out of shear bloody fear, Japan and China would be right…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:28:36 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217135#post217135 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217135#post217135 I believe a lot of the success of liberalism in Continental Europe is rooted in an association of authoritarian policies with Nazism and Soviet communism. The generation that experienced occupation or domination by the Nazis and Soviets tended to react against this and support liberal ideas.

Since no significant part…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:07:06 +1200 andrew r https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217132#post217132 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217132#post217132 Rick being busted has not, of course, stopped them being pot smokers. And all this guff about whether Rick has, in the judge's view, "rehabilitated" or not is absurd. He's a 62 year-old musician who smokes pot. What exactly is he rehabilitating from?

A lot of that is Defence lawyer…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:51:50 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217131#post217131 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217131#post217131 Finland is soft on crime.

Until the First World War, Finland was a province of the Russian Empire. Crime and punishment in Finland were governed by the tough Russian justice system, a system the Finns inherited after independence. The break with Russia at the end of the First World War…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:50:40 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217129#post217129 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217129#post217129 the reporting I saw. ]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:44:02 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217126#post217126 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217126#post217126 One of the many things to learn about on my list is Finland.

The reason is that culturally, Finns aren't that far away from us. They have a tiny population in a big country, they're heavy drinkers, they have the same dark streak, the same high suicide rate, several ethnic…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:42:06 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217123#post217123 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217123#post217123 Workman to McVicar, which mentions a rather dry Andrew Becroft paper which I’d only heard of recently: How To Turn A Child Offender Into An Adult Criminal – In 10 Easy Steps. ]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:34:05 +1200 poffa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217122#post217122 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217122#post217122 I have to agree with most of your points apart from the social skills, there used to be toastmasters and debating and yoga.1998 Newspaper Clippings

Crack-downs in prisons can only breed violence
...

In competition with outsiders inmates excelled, particularly in sport and debating. Hardly a year went by when…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:33:05 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217121#post217121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217121#post217121 What ever happened to the Roper Report (1987) I can’t find a copy of it but from memory at the time it was suggesting a whole new approach to prisons, moving away from the punitive to the trans-formative, using prisons to change people.

Interesting question. It is referenced extensively here.…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:25:09 +1200 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217119#post217119 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217119#post217119 He’d have been much safer opening a bar, basically.
Rick Bryant is a fine man who would have been much safer leaving New Zealand.

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:04:46 +1200 Richard Aston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217118#post217118 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217118#post217118 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:02:36 +1200 Marcus Turner https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217116#post217116 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217116#post217116 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:58:59 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217115#post217115 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217115#post217115 Speaking of "accessories after the fact"
Key is now telling Australian media that
Pike River Mine would be illegal in Australia
even though "In November last year, however, he said: "I have no reason to believe that New Zealand safety standards are any less than Australia's."
I think the…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:57:45 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217106#post217106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217106#post217106 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:37:54 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217105#post217105 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217105#post217105 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:36:29 +1200 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217103#post217103 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217103#post217103 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:04:13 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217102#post217102 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217102#post217102 And isn’t it ironic the private prison system has brought us ’Mt Eden Club Med’? The Two Minutes Hate brigade will never be happy.

From that story:

The 10-year contract, which the company says is valued at about $300 million, includes a clause that says the contractor must "ensure meals…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:00:14 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217101#post217101 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217101#post217101 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:51:37 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217100#post217100 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217100#post217100 ...for (allegedly) stealing the best part of $500 from everyone in NZ.
I don't think any of these charges
relate to the collapse and bail out
of South Canterbury Finance...
That's a whole other kettle of fish
– and I would hope some of the blame
may be shared around…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:44:30 +1200 Gary Elshaw https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217097#post217097 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217097#post217097 crimes for healthcare. Way of the future? ]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:27:44 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217096#post217096 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217096#post217096 Illustrates how stupid the drug laws are. He’s no criminal. Just a gentle 62 year old who been entertaining with his music for four decades. What possible purpose does this conviction serve for anyone?

I actually know a couple of people who used to buy pot from Rick, both of…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:20:56 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217094#post217094 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217094#post217094 this conviction serve for anyone? ]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:05:15 +1200 poffa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217093#post217093 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217093#post217093 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:05:06 +1200 Andre Alessi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217092#post217092 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217092#post217092 So, essentially, the thing that reversed the steady rise in the proportion of offenders being sentenced to imprisonment was the introduction of home and community detention and intensive supervision for the least serious offences.

Without going into too much detail, I've been indirectly involved in aspects of the the home…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:34:22 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217090#post217090 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217090#post217090 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:08:13 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217089#post217089 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217089#post217089 Just in: Contains crime policy, public perception, online poll, McVicar

Awesome self-selected poll amongst the readers of New Zealand's angriest online forums. Still, excellent timing for us. Thanks for the heads-up.

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:00:40 +1200 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217085#post217085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217085#post217085 It always seems to me that those with the most to say, on these matters, are those who have not sat in Court and listened to the facts presented
Well it is easier

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:48:33 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217083#post217083 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217083#post217083 Just in: Contains crime policy, public perception, online poll, McVicar
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1106/S00247/poll-shows-government-out-of-touch-with-voters.htm

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:39:36 +1200 vangam https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217079#post217079 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217079#post217079 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:16:49 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217078#post217078 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217078#post217078 And isn't it ironic the private prison system has brought us 'Mt Eden Club Med'? The Two Minutes Hate brigade will never be happy.

The prison system seems to have gone from rehabbing those who've done wrong, to an acceptable face of a neo-apartheid system – not of race, but…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:12:46 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217077#post217077 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217077#post217077 Two years jail for a personal stash of coke and some bud is waaaaay over the top – especially for a 60yr old guy!

For puzzled readers, that's a reference to Rick Bryant's sentencing today. It seems harsh in isolation — Bryant dealt pot to grown-ups he knew — but I…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:06:22 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217076#post217076 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217076#post217076 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:01:04 +1200 Josh Addison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217075#post217075 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217075#post217075 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:54:09 +1200 vangam https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217074#post217074 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217074#post217074 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:41:07 +1200 HORansome https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217072#post217072 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217072#post217072 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:27:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217071#post217071 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217071#post217071 Yet the minsiter insists, to the point of personally abusing Kim Workman, that a slight drop in prison numbers can only be due to a decreased reoffending rate (though she declines to offer any direct evidence).

The comments the minister directed at Workman bordered on actionable.

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:18:12 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217070#post217070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217070#post217070

So, essentially, the thing that reversed the steady rise in the proportion of offenders being sentenced to imprisonment was the introduction of home and community detention and intensive supervision...

Yet the minsiter insists, to the point of personally abusing Kim Workman, that a slight drop in prison numbers can only…

]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:16:44 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217069#post217069 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-perception-and-reality-in-the-criminal/?p=217069#post217069 Discussion from blog post.

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