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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And cellular data is almost reaching the pricing where it's affordable to use a smartphone for all-day radio listening over 3G. </q></p><p>Even if you had no other network than 3G, it's affordable. But the places most people spend most of their time, the workplace or home, are easily equipped with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:41:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>That would be brillant! (Imagine it getting the South Westland Dairy Farmers’ Complete catalogue a 1000 times – ) – o wait, that’s a physically posted article…<br />sigh…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:12:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>fuck off spamster</q></p><p>I know what... track down the culprit's physical address, and sign it up to as many snail-mail catalogs as possible.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:08:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> the ability for subs to the FT and WSJ to essentially write it off as a work expense</q></p><p>Also, they've been selling subscription services for at least 20 years, probably longer, over services such as Dialog, Newsedge and Telerate. (The latter was owned by Dow Jones). I worked in that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:52:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Tom<br />Micropayments are a seductive idea, but the ones that people have tried have flopped. <br />The only paywalls I've seen or heard that worked were the 'perforated' ones operated by the FT.com, WSJ.com and NYTimes.<br />You can get behind the wall by bouncing in from Google and (sometimes) twitter and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:27:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>No sub, hence my curiosity. :)</p><p>It takes effort to build a community that moderates itself but there are other ways to contribute/get buy-in than money. </p><p>Regardless, everyone being able to view comments if not make them would help get broadest engagement, search hits, etc. Your venture deserves that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:15:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Sacha<br />I'm not sure. I've only just subscribed to the NBR in recent days. My initial impression is there are fewer comments and less extreme comments on the paywalled articles. <br />But I'd need a few more weeks of viewing to give a more confident view. Your thoughts?<br />cheers<br />Bernard</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:12:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Deep Red<br />Good points. Many others have pointed me to the successors to TVNZ7. On my list of people to contact.<br />NZ is too small to be too splintered.<br />cheers<br />Bernard</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:01:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Peter is right. We're very keen to partner with newspapers, television and radio to get this journalism out to the broadest possible audience and get the best value for the money paid by members.<br />cheers<br />Bernard</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:59:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Do you reckon the comments on paywalled NBR articles are any less foamy than the free ones?
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:58:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Russell<br />Many thanks for writing this piece, which is the most indepth and considered I've seen so far. <br />Interesting point on restricting the ability to comment to paying members. I agree it would be preferable to have it open and the initial response from people is that openness of commenting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:54:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Why would you pay for a political opinion to be written if you were then prevented from sharing that political opinion with others? </q></p><p>Isn't that precisely what we do with dead tree publications and pay TV?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:19:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>Why would you pay for a political opinion to be written if you were then prevented from sharing that political opinion with others?  </p><p>We follow a media entity due to the set of values we share with the authors and those are values we want to promote to others.  The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:39:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						I guess the big question is how does media earn a crust in 2013? Or does it, is it to big to fail? Well of course.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:16:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>debunk</title>
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						Amused at the Willingness To Pay touch.   NBR has disappeared from sight if interested reader not WTP and can't see this model working for present venture where the economic debate, for starters, is hanging on the coat-tails of varied and various explanations pouring out in books from all and sundry…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:49:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>Online measuring is not as sharp as you'd think and the measurements are not fully explained to the advertiser.</p><p> The first thing you need to know about a website is the unique visitors and the bounce rate, they go hand in hand. The single visitor figure is a wild figure,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:47:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Yet another <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10828800" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Big Tobacco press release dressed up as a Roughan special</a>. And yet another reason for Journalism.org.nz to call bullshit.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:58:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q> Media agencies seem to be wedded to the old even though they can’t show it works.</q></p><p>To be honest, I assumed they were wedded to it because no-one can show it doesn't work.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:41:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>The problem was the ROI on advertising</q></p><p>Yes despite online's better measurability, so little ad spend is going there in NZ. Media agencies seem to be wedded to the old even though they can't show it works.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:06:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>what are modern cars doing in terms of factory radios?</q></p><p>Moving towards having a decent amp and speakers and relying on you to plug your own mobile device into them as a controller?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:59:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>That would seem to be the logical way for it to work – a wee add-on to your browser which pops up and confirms that you want to pay 25 cents to read this article.</q></p><p>That's basically how Flattr works &mdash; except with Flattr you allocate some of your monthly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:46:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>I am curious to know if anyone has ever tried a sort of trademe model – you deposit an amount of money and everytime you access “below the fold” for indepth news and analysis a deduction is made. Once your account has run out of money your attempt to access…</q>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						The most successful financial job I ever had was selling media advertising. You have to twist some arms to hit target but target was good. The problem was the ROI on advertising, it was easy measure for most small business, very little immediate return. Business is built on so much…
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p><q>Those things totally exist in the DAB world. But it seems that not much has happened with DAB in New Zealand in the last 18 months.<br />Imagine how useful DAB instant rewind would be for Morning Report or to catch the names of artists on music radio. Sigh.</q></p><p>Next you'll…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:56:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Except of course, when one's roadtrip goes outside the coverage area.</q></p><p>Which also applies to FM. I don't think I've ever managed to hear BaseFM without the internet yet.</p><p>But yes, on road trips, I might have to resort to the 600 hours worth of music on my SD card.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:45:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						And cellular data is almost reaching the pricing where it's affordable to use a smartphone for all-day radio listening over 3G. Except of course, when one's roadtrip goes outside the coverage area.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I sort of meant a portable device. A radio that you can cart around with you that can pick up stations and then be programmed to record them or whatever. It obviously wouldn’t be cheap (at first anyway). And no, I don’t mean one with a bloody tape deck in…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:06:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>I sort of meant a portable device. A radio that you can cart around with you that can pick up stations and then be programmed to record them or whatever. It obviously wouldn't be cheap (at first anyway). And no, I don't mean one with a bloody tape deck in…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:05:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						I sort of meant a portable device.  A radio that you can cart around with you that can pick up stations and then be programmed to record them or whatever.  It obviously wouldn't be cheap (at first anyway).  And no, I don't mean one with a bloody tape deck in…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:47:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James W</title>
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						<p><q>Give away the news and sell the analysis? Thus, read for free the bare bones news about the Kiwi deaths in Afghanistan, pay to read the in-depth story and analysis by xyz.</q></p><p>Yeah, this is the only way it can work, because a hundred sites will carry the same news…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>Stripping (uninformed) opinion away to leave facts presented without bias is a large part of the “value added” by reputable news sources</q></p><p>It's also impossible. Any selection of presented facts will be biased, through the selection of those facts, the tone of the presentation, the choice of voices, etc.</p><p>This…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>Give away the news and sell the analysis?</q> Only works if readers believe that the analysis is useful … which, sadly, runs headlong into confirmation bias (i.e., people find it easiest to believe analysis that conforms to their existing opinions). Stripping (uninformed) opinion away to leave facts presented without bias…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I’m pretty sure there are multiple programs available on Android that do this with internet radio stations. </q></p><p>Stream-ripping. I think I'd object to this on the basis that it would serve to validate the copyright owners' perpetual belief that people actually bother doing this :-)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I was thinking a bit a while back about whether there will ever be something similar to MYSKY developed for radio.</q></p><p>To an extent, there is already <a href="http://www.skytv.co.nz/Default.aspx?tabid=220&amp;art_id=2220" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">something just like that</a>. It’s called … MySky.</p><p>Sky carries the two Radio NZ stations, Kiwi and Tahu FM. You can record them, although…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>I definitely want to support this. PAS is a great place for journalism.org to find subscribers- or advertise stories. Something like this has been bruited for too long-  fantastic to find a project is underway. <br />(FWIW- I think both micropayments and an annual subscription should be offered. They suit different…</p>
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						<p>Bloody good project Russell and I for one would be glad to subscribe at around $100/yr , shit I spend more on coffee. <br />I moan about the lack of quality journalism these days so I'd be more than happy to be part of doing something about that.</p>
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						I'm pretty sure there are multiple programs available on Android that do this with internet radio stations. As Rich says, coding it wouldn't be hard at all, I would probably be able to get something functional in a week. I don't recall if they do it for all broadcasts, or…
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						Surprise, surprise. The trolls <a href="http://journalism.org.nz/2012/08/15/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-91" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">start crawling</a> out <a href="http://journalism.org.nz/2012/08/15/hello-world/comment-page-1/#comment-92" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">of the woodwork</a> before it's even begun. Tempted, but not about to give him any oxygen.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>you could set it to record particular shows on particular stations to listen back to at your leisure later on</q></p><p>isn't that  basically podcasting?</p>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>I was thinking a bit a while back about whether there will ever be something similar to MYSKY developed for radio.</p><p>I realise that some radio stations have 'listen back' options at their websites but I'm thinking more of a 'radio box' where you could set it to record particular…</p>
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						Perhaps a solution will be to devise micropayments like iTMS/Apps. I find myself faced with paying such trivial amounts for stuff I don't even think about it until the Visa bill comes in and then it rarely adds up to more than a decent bottle of wine. Gone are the…
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<p><q>...but there's a basic conflict with public-interest goals in restricting access to the work produced. That's not to say it's wrong &mdash; just that there will be a place fo non-exclusive subscription models.</q></p><p>You forget, Russell, that the bulk of news media is not there for the public good, as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:39:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>If I dig around a bit I can find enough information on almost any subject to come to an "Informed position" and thus form an opinion worthy of an educated person. I don't need no stinkin' agrogators (or badgers for that matter)<br />The problem is not what the curious can…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The <a href="http://prospect.org/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">American Prospect</a> stays afloat by crowd sourcing from time to time. I get most of my political US news from it.
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				<title>Allan Moyle</title>
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						<q>and the cleansing satisfaction...</q> Nice !
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						One idea is that a certain large US governmental organisation has been keen on funding <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_(magazine)" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">moderate left-of-centre</a> publications in the past. Maybe they'd be keen on throwing a few million dollars at a website that was critical, but not too critical, if you see what I mean.
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						<p>Give away the news and sell the analysis? Thus, read for free the bare bones news about the Kiwi deaths in Afghanistan, pay to read the in-depth story and analysis by xyz. </p><p>It is the payment method has always struck me as clunky on practically every media site I have…</p>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						And your generosity to Werewolf is greatly appreciated Geoff, you are blazing the trail.
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						I'm happy to put money into anything that combats the "Len's Train Set" / beneficiary-bashing / race-baiting propaganda we get from the sadly degraded MSM in NZ. I've indicated I'd pay $50 a month just for starters....which is about half of what sport-loving people pay for SKY TV every month.…
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						<p>Something I'd like, which might be easier to do than in-depth reporting, is an online version of the morning news on student radio. Headlines and stories, with a liberal bias (*everything* has a bias), cribbed as needed (but paraphrased) from various mainstream and other sources.</p><p>The problem (which is why…</p>
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						fomenting? that's the other bloke
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I found this to be an interesting and thought provoking piece … until I read this bit. Then I fell over laughing and hurt my think bone too much to continue.</q></p><p>A better place because otherwise you’d be out on the streets fomenting something?</p>
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				<title>Andrew Geddis</title>
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						<p><q>New Zealand is a better place with No Right Turn keeping everyone honest, and with expert bloggers like Graeme Edgeler and Andrew Geddis writing ...</q></p><p>I found this to be an interesting and thought provoking piece ... until I read this bit. Then I fell over laughing and hurt my…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						We pay (donate?) $15 a month to Werewolf and would be happy to do the same for this new venture (and PA, of course!).  All it might entail is stopping another subscription or two.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>One of the things that a few journos have missed in the wake of Bernard’s announcement is that it is a collaborative thing with the mainstream media, not a competitive thing – they shouldn’t feel threatened. </q></p><p>I strongly agree.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Photographers too, and we thank you.</q></p><p>Of course. I am <em>very</em> proud of the photographers :-)</p>
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				<title>Gareth Gillatt</title>
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						I agree that charging people for the right to comment would do more harm than good. One option that I don’t think organisations have looked at enough is the offer of extras. This is done by kickstarter and by the subscription supported radio station [ <a href="http://kcrw.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://kcrw.com/</a> | KCRW ]  and…
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						And what possibility of Journalism.org.nz collaborating and sharing resources with David Beatson’s proposed Public Media Project, and/or the new Coalition for Better Broadcasting (ex-TVNZ7)? It could also be a worthy successor to the late & lamented NZPA.
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						The idea of using events to fund online content appeals to me, as Russell knows :).
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				<title>Jonathan Ganley</title>
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						<p><q>As things stand, it’s a very time-consuming hobby, with undeniable advantages for visibility and reputation – and the great fulfilment of fostering a community of readers and writers.</q></p><p>Photographers too, and we thank you.</p>
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						<p>Like.</p><p>As a publisher, it’s interesting watching how things are developing in media. Television, which used to be free to consume, is increasingly becoming subscription based. Radio may not be far behind.</p><p>Print, on the other hand, is moving (somewhat) from subscription to free and the internet is moving from…</p>
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						The 10 minute Mediawatch interview with Bernard is from 22mins onwards of their <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2528544/mediawatch-for-19-august-2012" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">whole 35 minute show</a> (listening options). Maybe someone can ask them to put each story up as a separate file like other RNZ shows do?
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						One of the things that a few journos have missed in the wake of Bernard's announcement is that it is a collaborative thing with the mainstream media, not a competitive thing &ndash; they shouldn't feel threatened. Bernard will never get the eyeballs Stuff or TVNZ get, so he'll need to…
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						<p><q>Some discussion ensued about the way this may effect the relationship between readers, advertisers, and journalism.</q></p><p>I expect subscriber revenue to become increasingly important for big media organisations, but there's a basic conflict with public-interest goals in restricting access to the work produced. That's <em>not</em> to say it's wrong --…</p>
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						There was a bit of discussion in the past few weeks on how, with the collapse in internet advertising revenues, subscribers have (or are about to depending on who you read) become the dominant revenue stream for the New York Times (this ebing seen as a benchmark figure of sorts).…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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