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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Try 40 years! I clearly remember answering University exam question sea level rise and increased stormyness in the late 1970s</q></p><p>You're right, I remember giving a literature seminar on it in the 80s &ndash; I just forgot how old I am :(.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:01:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>The Vector car crash continues, we have no power AGAIN, their website has crashed AGAIN and their Twitter feed is total bollocks.</p><p>“Vector, we supply electricity unless it is a bit windy or there is a spot of rain about”</p><p>Incompetent rtrds, the minister of energy needs to re-nationalise them.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2018 15:39:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						<p><q>Although I’d note that climate change and its effect on extreme weather events was well known 20 years ago – it was however loudly denied.</q></p><p>Try 40 years! I clearly remember answering University exam question sea level rise and increased stormyness in the late 1970s</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2018 08:35:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						Wholly sheet. Literally and figuratively. Says "I avoid formulas, and I back my material with practical and hands-on field data" but skimming a bit he mostly just pastes stuff off other sites, removes any attributions and changes all the links to keep people inside 'battery university". At least it's nicely…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2018 21:20:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>I like these versions as well...<br />One in which Buffalo Springfield look so young...<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY</a></p><p>and The Muppets capture the hunt aspects:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gpin2AUAdk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gpin2AUAdk</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:05:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>The season of the Witch(hunt)<br />(Trump) ...but you can hunt down those who voted for him…</p><p>Are they in season, and is there a bag limit?</q></p><p>For some reason that always makes me think of this one,<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSpO2B6G4s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSpO2B6G4s</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:53:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						Geology club this month was three talks about the science going into the Auckland Council from the volcanologists. The general consensus was to run away if a volcano starts to blow; there may be four weeks notice or six hours. Interestingly the models show most Aucklanders heading North to escape…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:15:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAzTnsSgs2s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAzTnsSgs2s</a><br /><strong>The season of the Witch(hunt)</strong><br /><q>(Trump) ...but you can hunt down those who voted for him…</q><br />Are they in season, and is there a bag limit?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:43:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>....now power polls are blowing down on their own (in Dunedin)</q><br />Is this still a factor?: <br /><a href="https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/342449/otago-power-pole-replacement-creating-more-of-a-danger" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/342449/otago-power-pole-replacement-creating-more-of-a-danger</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:38:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>She was about to go and have a hot shower, with most of Piha’s power having come back on about half an hour before...</q><br />Wouldn't be surprised if they also used their ripple control of Hot Water cylinders to reduce load &ndash; <a href="http://www.oriongroup.co.nz/customers/load-management-and-hot-water-control" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">like Orion does</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:03:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Seriously where the fuck does National find these people in 2018?</q></p><p>At least the reporter was savvy enough to work this simple fact out: <em>"If Labour manages to wrest the seat off National, it'll gain a seat in Parliament and National will lose one."</em> &ndash; unlike the reporting on 'Labour's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:35:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						There isn’t a lot of talk about the Waitakeres in all this, but as a resident of the area it seems to me the power situation out on the Eastern slopes of the Waitakeres is dire. The whole area seems to be a classic example of our addiction since the…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:40:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>if the pole is removed what will the vehicle hit instead?</q></p><p>Based on the state of our local corner shop right now, they'll hit any old thing. Someone managed to swerve around a slight jink in the road, ignoring the four-way compulsory stop, and somehow swing through 180 degrees and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2018 16:55:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>but if the pole is removed what will the vehicle hit instead?</q></p><p>To put it bluntly: generally something with a much more defined and narrow impact. Car vs pole affects dozens of people at a minimum, but it can be hundreds or even thousands. <br />Car vs house affects a family,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:50:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p>I’m not entirely convinced about the argument that cars hitting power poles is a negative. OK obvs not great for the occupants of the car but if the pole is removed what will the vehicle hit instead?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11977418" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11977418</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:48:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Dean Wallis</title>
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						<p>Great post and excellent comments.</p><p>Regarding the failures of successive local governments to address this and the other issues mentioned, you would have to accept some of the blame can be laid at the voters who put these people in power.  If we weren't all collectively greedy, narrow minded and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:02:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>something that was not generally well-understood 20 years ago</q></p><p>I agree, with respect to the risk from weather. Although I'd note that climate change and its effect on extreme weather events was well known 20 years ago &ndash; it was however loudly denied.</p><p>But that doesn't alter the discussion with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:33:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>N.B. there is a difference between knowing <em>there is some risk</em>, <br />and knowing <em>how large</em> that risk is (with an accurately-assigned probability).<br />In the former sense, the risk has long been known.<br />In the latter sense, the risk has increased (and may be expected to increase further, something that was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:39:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						We have trees come down all the time in Dunedin, the power goes out, it comes back &ndash; our big trouble is that the council has pulled so much money out of the local lines company that they've not been able to do routine maintenance ... now power polls are…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:36:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						"Hindsight" only in the sense that the current risk of extreme wind events in Auckland is higher than what would have been estimated 20 years ago.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>It’s the problem with hindsight</q></p><p>WTF. It's been known for decades that undergrounding protects the lines and reduces maintenance costs and reduces road accidents.</p><p>It's not hindsight, it's an utter failure of management.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 07:23:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And yet again Vector is blaming the customer's trees for the problems.</p><p>And yes it will cost $3 billion to underground now.</p><p>But that cost only exists because of mismanagement for the last two decades.</p>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p>It’s  the problem with hindsight- every system is at the mercy of innumerable risks, trying to protect from them all would make the service prohibitively expensive.</p><p>People have to make choices and sometimes they’ll get it wrong because the future is complex.</p><p>But the desire to blame individuals is strong…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q> I'm possibly still just elated at finally getting off the ancient paper-insulated copper in Point Chev</q></p><p>I'm not even slightly kidding when I say that one of the big attractions of Aotearoa for me is the broadband. Here in Sydney our "transition to the NBN" will involve keeping out cable…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:11:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Simon Wilson on the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12033684" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ins and outs</a> of undergrounding.</p><p><q>[Vector CEO Simon Mackenzie] says undergrounding costs from four to 10 times as much as running the cables above ground. Vector's rough estimate is that to put all remaining cables underground, just within the urban limits, never mind about the west coast,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:09:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>Prevailing wind direction in Auckland is from the south west.</p><p>Our trees were being battered from the west side in that storm. The leaves are noticeably more stripped on the west side of the trees. Cannot believe they are still standing tbh.</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>Also, the predominant wind direction of the recent storm was not the more usual (for Auckland) nor-easterly,  but a slightly northish westerly..  Putting stress on trees and stuff from non-usual directions seems to have brought down more trees and branches than usual for a storm of not-that-out-of-the-ordinary strength? </p><p>Also, despite…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Welli’s most likely trees would have already fallen down in your normal breezes.</q></p><p>Exactly.</p><p>Although some big-assed trees came down last Tuesday. The gum tree by the supermarket in Richmond Road, for instance, was apparently healthy. I wonder if the way the most extreme winds were very localised might also…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:17:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>On a slightly related point, while I agree that generally the UFB project was a good idea, I think these problems and those mentioned in the story Russell Brown do raise questions over some of the specifics. It does seem Chorus is going down the ultra cheap and shoddy route…</q>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Most of Wellington has overhead lines and they don't blow over in storms?</q></p><p>Welli's most likely trees would have already fallen down in your normal breezes.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>The lines don't blow over &ndash; but the trees do blow over onto the lines.</p><p>This led Vector management to blame Aucklanders for having trees that could blow over onto the lines that Vector should have been putting underground for the last two decades.</p>
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						<p>Just to add a couple of data points, over the last two years I’ve had 3 fibre connections installed by Chorus. All of these installations have been of an exceptionally high standard. So #notallinstallations …</p><p>The process of ordering and getting approvals however, that’s a whole different story.</p><p>Dammit, that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:57:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Most of Wellington has overhead lines and they don't blow over in storms?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:55:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tet Yoon Lee</title>
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						One thing which seems have been ignored with the AECT/Entrust discussion is while we at least have some money to pay for undergrounding in the Auckland, Manukau and Papakura areas, there is none in the Waitakere, North Shore and Rodney areas. In case it’s unclear the agreement does only cover…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						The local politicians would have been getting briefings of some level of detail from Wednesday morning, depending on their role. Goff would have got them from Wednesday, probably along with other senior councillors. When local boards started getting them is anyone's guess, but being rather powerless they probably had to…
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						Incredible.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Comforted to see we’re not the few who were perturbed.</q></p><p>But not until Saturday, it seems. Or, at least, not perturbed enough to justify being briefed by AEM until Saturday.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:38:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Comforted to see we’re not the few who were perturbed. </p><p>As an aside, were any of the local MPs visible  throughout this?  One thing I find odd is that often the parties with list MPs are near  invisible. That needs to change.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>because it’s not standard operating procedure – especially without a state of emergency having been declared.</q></p><p>That last bit is crucial. A declaration of a state of emergency is, by law, a political decision; the only people who are empowered to declare a state of emergency are specific local-body politicians…</p>
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						<p>Having spent many of my weekend hours traipsing about the north-west of Auckland as a humanitarian volunteer, I can say with a fair degree of confidence that the biggest pain-point for the affected has been Vector's communications. <br />I shall spare you, dear reader, from the language that I heard, but…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Okay, this is pretty interesting.</p><p>This is from the Auckland Emergency Management action plan presented on Saturday. I think the way to read it is that the new upwards flow of information to the political layer (the minister and MPs) was prompted by some "please explain" questions, because it's not…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:34:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Harvey</title>
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						<p><q>The Herald has republished the post above </q><br />Interesting (perhaps) that they did not include the link to the Vector outage map which is in your original.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The Herald has <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12033315" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">republished the post above</a> – and Shayne Currie tells me that Simon Wilson and others are working on the story today.</p><p>Which is good, because I'd been feeling like the Herald was kind of missing an important story.</p>
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				<title>John Holley</title>
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						Yes, Vector has issues, but my bigger concern was CDEM Auckland's response (or lack of it). I cannot understand why the Emergency Coordination Centre (ECC) was not fully activated prior to the storm hitting. The impact of the storm had been predicted and a major weather event is rated the…
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q> every time a National MP says "hard working"</q><br />The annoying thing is many of the people described as "hard working" are not really working as hard as those who don't have trust funds, or big inheritances, or mortgage free properties, or 1.5 children at posh school; and some of them…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:29:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						It's not just physical tidalwaves that need guarding against, but political ones too. Especially the ones caused by Cyclone Donald, Cyclone Nigel, Cyclone Marine, Cyclone Hugo, and Cyclone Vladimir.
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p>Given the likely effects of climate change it might be worth following the landscape with any new infrastructure. Specifically, built it on ridgelines and put the important bits at the top. That way you might still have power when K road is a ferry route </p><p>(I kid, sea level rise…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 21:42:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Unfortunately coverage like that from Todd Niall is in the media margins, while a visiting celeb who looks over at Rangitoto and says "Auckland is awesome!' will get the front page. </p><p>We (or at least, our media) are more interested in assessing Auckland superficially, through meaningless international surveys ("5th most…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>But as Todd Niall's excellent RNZ Insight programme explained today, we are now very much paying the infrastructure bills shirked by the councils of the 60s, 70s and 80s</q><br />A period that was dominated by the late unlamented CitRats ticket. Now that the supercity structure has basically broken their self-proclaimed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:39:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Botany, in his case. Figures.</q></p><p>So what side of the bridge is he talking about? Also, I think a drinking game involving every time a National MP says "hard working" wouldn't last very long until everyone was drop dead drunk.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Botany, in his case. Figures.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>I see <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12033057" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dan Bidois</a>, the new National party candidate for Northcote, is a man from another era when it comes to having a Pan-Auckland vision. </p><p><q>The hard-working people of Northcote are not a piggy bank for Phil Goff, Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters to raid to pay for pet projects on…</q></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I’m willing to lay odds that whatever money Entrust has set aside for undergrounding of power lines amounts to only a tiny fraction of the cost of undergrounding the 45% of the city that still has overhead lines</q></p><p>And you're right.</p><p>But it isn't as straightforward as saying it wasn't…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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