Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Out of sight, out of mind: how we forgot about synthetics https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376952#post376952 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376952#post376952 Well they became popular, and remain popular, for that reason. They may well have been invented regardless.

Very, very few people take NBOMe in preference to LSD – as opposed to taking it because it's been sold to them as LSD, or because it's all they can get.

Similarly, last…

]]> Fri, 03 Nov 2017 09:59:26 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376944#post376944 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376944#post376944 That’s an unacceptable road to go down.

Too right, death penalties are a whole bunch of cray. Let's not.

And in many cases, the more dangerous drugs appeared because the safer ones were forced out of the market in one way or another.

Well they became popular, and remain popular,…

]]> Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:14:18 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376928#post376928 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376928#post376928 In that the drugs baby-boomers took were generally safer and more reliable than the drugs their children and grandchildren are getting, yup.

And in many cases, the more dangerous drugs appeared because the safer ones were forced out of the market in one way or another.

And reading of the…

]]> Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:35:23 +1300 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376925#post376925 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376925#post376925 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 21:56:22 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376920#post376920 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376920#post376920 I accept what you say about the ‘large majority’ (although I do wonder whether that is more true yesterday than it might be today and going forward)

In that the drugs baby-boomers took were generally safer and more reliable than the drugs their children and grandchildren are getting, yup.

And…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:13:34 +1300 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376918#post376918 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376918#post376918 There is a particular problem with the current generation of synthetic cannabinoids. One is the way they lock people in. The users I’ve talked to talk about doing a couple of cones, going unconscious (or dissociated) for an hour or two then waking up and immediately needing more. It’s vicious.… ]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:21:01 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376917#post376917 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376917#post376917 Her distraught father when I spoke to him following his return from identifying her body, commented on Hone Harawira’s suggestion that we introduce the death penalty for importation and manufacture of this shit.

Can’t say I’d necessarily oppose it if it was considered by our legislators – and that’s an…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:47:28 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376916#post376916 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376916#post376916 https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/98445635/teens-gangster-dreams-take-him-to-court-after-being-caught-with-a-kilo-of-synthetic-drug ]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:39:23 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376915#post376915 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376915#post376915 And drug taking is a voluntary act. In many years of hanging out with dodgy people, nobody has ever “pushed” me to buy their drugs (and I think you’ll struggle to find a court case where this was proved as an aggravating circumstance against a dealer).

This recent synnies tragedy seems…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:34:08 +1300 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376913#post376913 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376913#post376913 importation penalties should be aligned with those for the most dangerous illicit drugs

That makes sense if it’s as good as it might get.

I attended the funeral of a friend’s daughter the other week – drug overdose and the thought was a suspected suicide, but with the type of…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:14:09 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376911#post376911 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376911#post376911 involuntary manslaughter/criminally negligent homicide

No such crimes exist in NZ law: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/128.0/DLM329302.html

[we do not live in the USA, or the movies]

Also, why is the best way to deal with a tragedy to create others?

And drug taking is a voluntary act. In many years of hanging…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 14:29:23 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376905#post376905 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376905#post376905 Given that lives are being lost, I’d hope the importation/dealing in these should be treated as involuntary manslaughter/criminally negligent homicide as a minimum.

There would have to be a victim – and in this case there isn't, because the package was intercepted.

The PSA wasn't designed for this kind of…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 11:13:24 +1300 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376904#post376904 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376904#post376904 Stuart Nash on this;

After Tuesday's sentencing, new Police Minister Stuart Nash said the Government would review legislation around psychoactive substances "as a matter of priority".

"I strongly suspect that when the law was passed no one envisaged the level of harm these psychoactive substances were going to cause the…

]]> Wed, 01 Nov 2017 08:54:43 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376903#post376903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-out-of-sight-out-of-mind-how-we/?p=376903#post376903 Discussion from blog post.

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