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				<title>andin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Railways &ndash; shit, even some Labour MPs privately said they would have had to sell it if they'd still been in power</p></blockquote><p>NZ is a country better suited to a comprehensive rail network than road.  Switzerland, Austria anyone..<br />The rail network had been neglected for years and had a weird…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						I would definitely vote for Craig.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:29:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You are so witty, so intelligent, so interesting, and I respect your opinions on so many things. Why can't you be a lefty?</p></blockquote><p>If there is one thing I have learned from being blood-related to diehard Republicans and National/New Zealand First voters, it is that no good can come from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:55:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Jackie,</p><p>I voted for Helen Clark in Mt Albert in 1987....mostly because she was the only candidate on the ballot who wasn't a dimwit or a loonie. Oh, and I admired what Labour had done in their first term, but that was kind of secondary. I had this idea, back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:50:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						and of course it goes without saying that politics are not all about left and right, and sticking to only one or t'other &ndash;  to show that I understand the principles of this I'll tell you a secret, but you aren't to tell anyone else. I used to vote for…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:36:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>Lordy, the 2008 general election can't come soon enough.</blockquote> You can't really tell me you're going to vote for Key, Craig. Please. I don't know if you are going to or not, that's a purely personal matter of course, and no-one else's business. Having said all that though, I would…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:33:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>Coupla points:</p><p>Firslty, most of the privatisations mentioned &ndash; all of them, in fact &ndash; were done in a crisis. And yeah, most of them were botched.</p><p>Telecom &ndash; the process was completed from go to woah in about six months. That's from policy formation through to sale. Incredibly rushed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:35:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						To everyone who has been advancing "phone services were crap in NZ pre-privatisation, now they're much better so that shows that privatisation was good" argument. Might I suggest that you look over the Tasman. There the telecommunications monopoly was, until recently, corporatised (not privatised) and guess what, they got a…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:11:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						damn, missed the obvious joke about there being another reason to keep an eye on France.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:57:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						And for people interested in re-litigating the economic shifts of the 80's, keep an eye on France. Sarkozy is about to do a Roger Douglas. Maybe having learned some lessons from places like NZ.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:53:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>The naivety of various Labour and National govts over privatisation did pour money into some pockets that were as deep as they were undeserving but that doesn't mean that the privatisation being suggested now should be treated as economic heresy.</p><p>I'd need to see detailed argument on a case by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:44:15 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Russell</p><p>I meant it was a learning time in that we had never sold a telco off before. It's naive to think all assumptions would pan out exactly as envisaged. Paperless office anyone?</p><p>We are all brilliant at property investment, avoiding sharemarket crashes and regulation with the benefit of hindsight.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:00:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><strong>Charlotte Glennie</strong> is an award-winning journalist and former Asia correspondent for TVNZ. She won the supreme Qantas Media Award for her Boxing Day tsunami reporting and a Special Service Medal. She was based in Hong Kong until <strong>TVNZ closed its Asia bureau in 2006</strong>. She currently resides in Beijing as…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:55:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't forget to keep taking the pills Craig.</p></blockquote><p>Heh... I've been keeping up my meds and sobriety just fine, thanks for asking. Just as an FYI. I'm not redbaiter and know from experience that paranoia is a pretty horrible mental ditch to get stuck in, not a particularly good mode…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:45:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<p>Sorry Craig, but <strong>yawn</strong></p><p>I knew that we could rely on you for some righteous indignation where necessary.  Actually, after the indented bit in grey, your comment is almost untelligible.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Everyone says Telecom was a disaster. It's easy in hindsight to see the errors but it was a time of learning and the Govt still got $4bn for it in 1990.</p></blockquote><p>Can't quite face going through all this again, but from <a href="http://publicaddress.net/default,2954.sm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a very long post on related matters</a>:</p><blockquote><p>For nearly…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:13:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Don't forget to keep taking the pills Craig.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Paul Rowe wrote:</p><blockquote><p>It's not difficult to see a hidden agenda if you are on the left (guilty m'lud) if you look hard enough.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, do I really have to take the cheap shot?  Looking around the blogisphere &ndash; foreign and domestic &ndash; there's plenty of people (not all on…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						It does strike me that given the fact that a massively hands-off approach to governance of public enterprise seems to have become part of our unwritten constitution, there seems to be little point in a having a lot of SOEs under public ownership. In terms of return on capital, we…
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				<title>insider outsider</title>
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						Thre used to be a law for road transport that restricted the distance anyhting could be trucked Over 100km or so it had to go by rail. Hence there were lots of depots in country towns for repackaging of goods or local distribution of rail freighted goods. For instance there…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:50:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hmmm, risky strategy &ndash; handing out ammunition to your opponents &ndash; but you could be right...</p></blockquote><p>At the moment actual policy seems to be right out.  JK doesn't want to say something that might offend anybody.  I think that the Nats are relying on voter amnesia and Labour-fatigue as their…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>raise some possible policy, see how it plays out in the polls, adopt or reject accordingly.</p></blockquote><p>Hmmm, risky strategy &ndash; handing out ammunition to your opponents &ndash; but you could be right...</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<blockquote> to get anything anywhere they could not just put it on a lorry, they had to use the rail by law. He would have to spend a third of his day, hours and hours, every day on the phone to Rail trying to find out where things were, why the…</blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote><p>you would expect a politician to tiptoe rather gently around it or have a specific goal to communicate.</p></blockquote><p>Seems to me to be another example of National trying to be all things to all people &ndash; raise some possible policy, see how it plays out in the polls, adopt or…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>This whole thing is starting to strike me as a possibly an English f*&amp;% up. </p><p>Certainly has covered it well and hasn't backed down from it, but given the can o worms (as mentioned) regarding privitisation you would expect a politician to tiptoe rather gently around it or have a specific…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Telecom? Where you would phone up, like my parents did, and say "Can I have a phone put in our new house please, my wife is pregnant with twins and we might need to phone the hospital when she goes into labour.", and they reply, sure you'll get a phone…</blockquote>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>"New Zealand Rail. Which was a bloated useless dinosour simlpy unfit for a long, thin sparsely country like New Zealand"</p><p>NZ Rail did work, although with great inefficencies, but that was the aim. Full employment and so on. Those with reduced capacity could push a broom, have a sense of…</p>
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				<title>Eric Olthwaite</title>
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						<blockquote><p>English had reason for discomfort: privatisations don't have a good rep in our recent history. Telecom. New Zealand Rail. Fay, Richwhite.</p></blockquote><p>Whoa, hang on a minute there. </p><p>Telecom?  Where you would phone up, like my parents did, and say "Can I have a phone put in our new house please,…</p>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>To use Air NZ of a mix of private/state ownership it would mean the intent is not to sell parts of SOE but rather buy back key infrastructure. Bail outs for bad management decisions = socialism for the rich.<br />I'm not sure that is what Key is all about.</p>
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				<title>Gary  Hutchings</title>
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						<p>SOEs do not have a government guarantee behind them, witness terralink's liquidation. </p><p>Kiwibank borrows as an independent corporate, and have a credit rating based on that, I am fairly sure the Electricity companies are the same.</p><p>I am unsure whether the ratings agency give them an easier ride because of…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>SOEs are in a strong position to raise debt if they need to.</p></blockquote><p>Does anyone know how that works? Do they have "full faith and credit" behind them, allowing them to borrow at sovereign lender rates? Can Kiwibank fund it's home loans on that basis &ndash; or have they got…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Haven't we heard a bit lately about political mouthing-off with regard to Air New Zealand (not an SOE, but Labour will want to save English's statement yesterday that "Air New Zealand is a good example of this mixed ownership")?</p></blockquote><p>Well, Russell, I thought the whole problem with Air New Zealand…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						My favourite inanity of Gordon Copeland's is actually economic. He wants to sell down SOEs <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0709/S00428.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">to pay for tax cuts</a>.
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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