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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>..but have yet to see much good spoken of PPPs anywhere they have been tried. Just a complex way of transferring public money into private pockets.</p></blockquote><p>Sacha, there's mixed experience with toll road PPPs in Sydney &ndash; some ok, some terrible... tolled roads are part of (I think) pretty much…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Obviously a communist. Maybe even an Italian one.</p></blockquote><p>If Gio had anything to do with it.He may be imagining <br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-not-everything-i_b_244050.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">firemen</a><br />over at Huffington.:)</p><blockquote><p>Probly waving his arms around and all.</p></blockquote><p>lol</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:06:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Still, just goes to show,it's  who you are</p></blockquote><p>I'd love to get a copy of that -then  maybe even I could understand it. Slightly <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/26/monarchy-credit-crunch" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">longer</a> version on the Guardian website.  </p><p>Love the ending:</p><blockquote><p>Professor Luis Garicano, to whom the Queen directed her question when she visited the LSE in November…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Still, just goes to show,it's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10586801" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em> who</em></a>  you are
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>There will be no scrutiny.</blockquote> Of course not. Just wondering how long before it's "because of the recession" that we have a <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10586807" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Key</a> reason for raising eligibility for super.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:38:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						There will be no scrutiny. "Open for business" remember, cried Billyboy. It seems our fresh leaders are so bereft of ideas and ambition and our managers so feeble that they need foreigners to buy our existing assets and export our jobs and profits. Because that has worked so well for…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:34:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote>I found this scary piece in the paper yesterday. The thought of one operator owning a chunk of Marsden Point that's, at present, in the hands of two oil companies, should give serious pause. We're already subject to a distinctly uncompetitive market for petroleum fuels, at least part of which…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:04:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						I found <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10586536" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this scary piece</a> in the paper yesterday. The thought of one operator owning a chunk of Marsden Point that's, at present, in the hands of two oil companies, should give serious pause. We're already subject to a distinctly uncompetitive market for petroleum fuels, at least part of which blame…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Am sure you're fevered, madam. I may think markets have their uses, but have yet to see much good spoken of PPPs anywhere they have been tried. Just a complex way of transferring public money into private pockets.</p><p>But even Fletcher Construction don't want them here because they're not that…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>is right scathing</p></blockquote><p>No wonder I am in bed feeling right sick today :( Still Sacha, Didn't I suggest to you  that's where we are going? "Damm Auckland, let's screw the whole country" I recall you saying ppp's can have their benefits.Will be waiting to see what gets sold off…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Granny stirs. John Armstrong, lately accused by some of being a gummint lapdog, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10586454&amp;pnum=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is right scathing</a> about Treasury CEO John Whitehead's latest ideological burp, and the gathering buzzards of the 90s reborn.</p><blockquote><p>The constitutional implications of Whitehead's intervention seem to have gone unnoticed. That is because everyone is hardened to the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Where's that sarcasm tag when we need it.  However, classic popculture response &ndash; full marks.
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Martin, Sofie, please. This will be good for New Zealand, </blockquote> Get a perrm<blockquote>It's moaners like Spohie and Steve, always stopping to rearrange the deckchairs, </blockquote>Get it right, it's Sofie, Spohie doesn't quite get me out there in the sun. ;)
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:35:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I'm not mistaken, Veolia only operate the trains, and aren't in much of a position to under-invest as MAXX/ARTA owns all of the assets and rolling stock? Correct me if I'm wrong.</p></blockquote><p>Your understanding is the same as mine. The contract for operation is precisely that, operation only. Rolling…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the Frogs running the trains</p></blockquote><p>If I'm not mistaken, Veolia only <em>operate</em>  the trains, and aren't in much of a position to under-invest as MAXX/ARTA owns all of the assets and rolling stock? Correct me if I'm wrong.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Veolia Transport, the rail provider formally known as Connex...</p><p>Having had many, how shall I put this, 'sub-optimal customer experiences' with Connex South-Eastern in London, I'd prefer it if they stayed well away from Auckland trains.</p><p>I'm more concerned that by relying on Auckland ferries as a primary mode of…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Meanwhile, is anyone planning to tell Peter Jackson and Richard Taylor to stop 'stealing' jobs and money from decent, hardworking Americans?
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did I hear Len Brown say on Morning Report that they don't want to sell their Auckland airport investments because they provide a 24% return?</p></blockquote><p>Well, I'd take that with a grain of salt and a whole case of tequila but what's your point?  What I find rather amusing about…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So Bill, what does your bank account look like? &ndash; do share...</p></blockquote><p>Well, according to the Pecuniary Interests Register, he's got interests in a farming company, a farm and a family home in Dipton, and is a member of the Parliamentary Superannuation Scheme. No shadow trusts for holding shares or…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>My acid test for investment, domestic or foreign, has to be "Does it benefit New Zealand?"</p><p>Domestic investment is, prima facie, beneficial to the country. It's supporting NZ business, it's not increasing our balance of payments problem, and it's not leading a repatriation of profit to an offshore shareholder. Even…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Brash and the old young Turks...</strong></p><blockquote><p>Here's a Brash idea.- Sell it all</p></blockquote><p>I love these guys, "Cocky" Brash and "Broken" English, et al &ndash; sell, sell, sell and damn the consequences</p><p>I love how Bill English always says foreign <strong>investment</strong> rather than the more accurate, and ultimately destructive,  <strong>ownership</strong>...…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Did I hear Len Brown say on Morning Report that they don't want to sell their Auckland airport investments because they provide a 24% return? </p><p>Brendon Burns recently wrote about Synlait, a partially Japanese owned dairying company keen to buy up <a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/07/22/getting-mugged-over-water/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">water resources in Canterbury</a>, and the company just happened…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>was chatting to a mate last night about R&amp;D tax relief. He pointed out that the likes of Fonterra would claim the relief based on stuff like researching new logos and packaging. I had to concur.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe so. But if they get higher turnover as a result, <em>who bloody cares</em>?<br />Plus,…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's moaners like Spohie and Steve</p></blockquote><p>What's this Focus Group doing in my Ball Park ?<br /> ;-)<br />I was chatting to a mate last night about R&amp;D tax relief. He pointed out that the likes of Fonterra would claim the relief based on stuff like researching new logos and packaging. I had…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So it's a win-win for all parties going forward?</p></blockquote><p>Only if we can work out a way to align all our ducks to cherry-pick the low-hanging fruit.</p><p>It's moaners like Spohie and Steve, always stopping to rearrange the deckchairs, who don't realise we have to be client focussed in these…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But it's for our own good!</p></blockquote><p><sarcasm><br />Snap! Now I get it. So it's a win-win for all parties going forward.<br /></sarcasm></p><p>I can see the need for investments, but not if it's just a euphemism for selling off assets. If anything we need investments in R&amp;D. I know it's easy for me…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						We've had little trouble attracting foreign investment. Problem is, not enough of it has been the greenfields type. People haven't forgotten the sorry sagas of TranzRail and the Deane-era Telecom, among others.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Martin, Sofie, please. This will be good for New Zealand, because it will bring in much-needed foreign capital. That's important because there's not enough local capital to go around. These benevolent foreigners, in return for their selfless donation of money to New Zealand, are perfectly entitled to demand higher monopoly…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How does it benefit our economy in the long term if all (or most) assets are sold? Isn't that just a one-off cash injection?</p></blockquote><p>It's worse than that.<br />A countries internal economy can be illustrated as being similar to a "family". You do the washing up and Mum makes your bed,…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's a Brash idea.<br />Sell it all</p></blockquote><p>I don't claim to understand economy on a national/international level, but how is this different from a shop putting up signs saying "Everything must go!! Make us an offer! No honest offer refused!" </p><p>How does it benefit our economy in the long term…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But then the chances of Brash darkening the doorstep of this 'socialist paradise' in search of answers are very slim.</p></blockquote><p>Here's a Brash idea.<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10586313" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sell it all</a></p>
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				<title>Carlos</title>
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						<blockquote><p>this looks like a typical example of what's wrong with NZ productivity: a couple around 60 with 3 rentals and a lifestyle block but not enough liquid assets to get them through even the next 5 years</p></blockquote><p>Amen to that.</p><p>Kong is correct that there are way too many differences…</p>
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				<title>Logan  O&#039;Callahan</title>
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						<p>What we learn from this:</p><p>Temporary support at below subsistence living levels for persons who have assets and are under 65 = BAD</p><p>Permanent support at levels 4 times higher, to those over 65, having both assets and incomes = GOOD</p><div class="hr"><hr /></div><p>To be honest, this looks like a typical…</p>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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						<p>Though if you trust your sources enough to run their story without checking it, you really shouldn't be putting your own byline on it.</p><p>What I don't know from a glance at today's story is whether the Herald or a parliamentary research unit figured out that there were three properties.…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Craig, I agree. There's lots of talk about how Goff should play the game, and attack &ndash; but doing so is not without its risks. Negativity can work for an opposition, but it can also make you look shallow.</p><p> I'd prefer he set out a vision for an alternative Government.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Rich:</p><p>We're not actually disagreeing on anything. :)  But just because The Herald didn't do due diligence (and quite rightly got stung by ETH and other), doesn't mean they're not entitled to be pissed off either.  On one level, you have to trust your sources &mdash; just not that much.…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>What would really improve productivity? </p><p>Perhaps a Productivity Commission, which is to workplace productivity as EECA is to energy efficiency. I'm sure a lot of people would like their businesses to be more efficient, they just don't have the knowledge or expertise to improve their practices. A locus of that…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It's preventing type 2 diabetes through nutritional and lifestyle education, and helping little old ladies understand how to minimise the risks associated with their osteoporosis so that they don't end up occupying orthopaedic beds for weeks when they break their arm stopping themselves from falling over.</p></blockquote><p>These are very sensible…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>Peter Ashby,</p><p>My things that must be done list for this coming summer now includes &ndash; batch up some blackcurrant liquer.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No, Goff just left out a pretty damn pertinent piece of information and while I feel kind of icky about defending The Herald, they're perfectly entitled to be hellishly pissed off about being punked.</p></blockquote><p>Hold on a sec, Craig. <em>If</em>  the original article had actually made any sort of attribution…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Few beers @ the Neighbourhood Bar tonight then?.<br />We'll be there about 6 ish anat.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And while I'm here.<br />Happy Birthday Russell.<br />From all us here @ 202.74.207.16<br />;-)</p></blockquote><p>Thanks Steve. If I could have been arsed having a party this year, I'd definitely have invited you ;-)</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Curious, in a thread titled 'On Ideas' to hear some. So far we've got the old chestnut, that we should aim to emulate Australia, which seems like not so much a bad idea as an unformed idea, saying nothing, but evoking images of Australian wealth. Then we have the counter…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Except they didn't admit they got the story wrong at all. They claimed they were misled by Goff, as if one of his powers as Leader of the Opposition were to put stories in the country's newspapers without the approval of editors.</p></blockquote><p>No, Goff just left out a pretty damn…</p>
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						And now the overly generous Mr Key is going to <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10586130 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> give all our savings</a> to his mates so they can steal our infrastucture.<blockquote> The New Zealand Superannuation Fund is to put up to $100 million into a public-private partnership fund investing in infrastructure such as schools, hospitals and housing.</blockquote>And…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Just as the herald finished air-brushing out Trotsky, along comes editingtheherald with the original negative. </p><p>No wonder APN hate that site!</p><p>That little bit of revelation alone should qualify the site for a nomination for a Qantas Media Award, or failing that a mention in dispatches on Media Watch this…</p>
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				<title>James Coe</title>
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						<blockquote>Yeah, and when an acquaintance of of mine has lost her ONE HOUSE because her business has gone under, and three weeks before she was due to have a baby to boot, pardon me if I'm a little short of sympathy for Bruce Burgess. Though to be fair, it appears…</blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Once again, Editing the Herald is essential to understanding the story.</p></blockquote><p>Heh. What school of journalism is re-writing your old articles from? Bizarre.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>And once again, The Standard can't resist <a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/phil-get-your-shit-together/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">egregious partisan hackery</a>:</p><blockquote><p>I know the media have never applied the same scrutiny to John Key, and nor are they likely to for a while.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, feh...</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<a href="http://editingtheherald.blogspot.com/2009/07/investi-ma-gative-journalism.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Once again, Editing the Herald is essential to understanding the story.</a>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am really angry about the Government scrapping the Training Incentive Allowance. People on benefits have for years been able to access tertiary education because of the TIA, including the current Minister of Social Development, Paula Bennett, who used it to get her BA while on the DPB,</p></blockquote><p>What's the…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But, to mix my martial metaphors for a moment, its a little rich to cry "Tory spin" when Goff handed Key a half-cocked rife and a clear shot at his own foot.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah. Occasionally we used to have leaders of the two big parties who used to make considered, thought…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket! People working the night shift at Foodtown on $12 an hour are supposed to subsidise this guy because he overextended himself, in order to avoid him losing his third property?!</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, and when an acquaintance of of mine has lost her <em>ONE HOUSE</em>…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/surviving-the-recession/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502812&amp;objectid=10586058" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Goff says</a> he knew Bruce Burgess owned 3 properties when he complained that Mr. Burgess was ineligible for the dole because of his wife's income being above the threshhold. Sez Goff:</p><blockquote><p>Mr Burgess's situation would not be different to that of other middle-income earners who had bought property in the hope…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						This is tangentially relevant to this thread as it is to do with participation in citizenship and employment. I am really angry about the Government scrapping the Training Incentive Allowance. People on benefits have for years been able to access tertiary education because of the TIA, including the current Minister…
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				<title>Stephen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The unemployment benefit is conceived as exactly that. It's just that it was deliberately lowered to the poverty level in the early 1990s (see Alastair Barry's still relevant In a land of plenty ) and never raised since, so we don't think of it in that way.</p></blockquote><p>High unemployment benefit…</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Angus Robertson</p><p>Denmark was far from unique in restricting citizens of the latest tranche of new entrant countries to the EU. Here in the UK we were one of the few that did not and prior to the crunch much of the economic boost was young Poles and Czechs coming…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No, I said its regressive. But that policy affects only a small proportion of overall Danish immigration, and is not any sort of check on the ability of citizens of other Schengen countries to move and work there.</p></blockquote><p>Found something <a href="http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/News/News/danish_immigration_service/2009/Maj/Annulment_transitional_legislation_citizens_new_EU_countries.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interesting</a>, up until May 2009 Denmark required the citizens of…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sure it wouldn't make stimulus or political sense, but I'd be quite happy with a bit of benefit cut reversal in these tough times (five years ago would have been good, now will also be OK).</p></blockquote><p>Kyle:  As Russell said, there's an argument that the income thresholds are too…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Productivity in healthcare should be measured on health output per dollar input.</p><p>Increasing operations per dollar is one aspect, but the big gains should be made by improving nutrition, lifestyle, attitudes and picking up problems early when the solutions are cheaper.</p></blockquote><p>Precisely. When you're running around flat-tack at the bottom…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p><strong> Increasing operations per dollar is one aspect, but the big gains should be made by improving nutrition, lifestyle, attitudes and picking up problems early when the solutions are cheaper.</strong></p><p>That's my "if I had a billion dollars" plan! Careful, some people will find it a bit controversial.</p></blockquote><p>We had…</p>
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						Every day I write software that takes tasks away from human beings. Every minute I spend working amounts to hours that other people don't have to spend, or even makes possible what there simply wasn't time for previously. All of that work goes to making <em>other people</em>  more productive. As…
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				<title>Carlos</title>
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						<p>As someone living and working in Denmark over many years I would like to clear up a couple of points.</p><p>Firstly the immigration effect on unemployment. Yes Denmark has very strict immigration laws but these do not apply to most of Europe &ndash; I dont think a country of 5…</p>
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						last year i worked for a company making something purely for export 1 part of the manufacturing took about 6 hours for tradesmen to do but there was a machine which could do the job in 3 hours by a non tradesmen. 1st problem, machine cost $40K, 2nd problem,short sighted…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Increasing operations per dollar is one aspect, but the big gains should be made by improving nutrition, lifestyle, attitudes and picking up problems early when the solutions are cheaper.</p></blockquote><p>That's my "if I had a billion dollars" plan! Careful, some people will find it a bit controversial.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Which is why I was rather surprised nobody asked Goff why, if he thinks the status quo is so damn unfair, he didn't do something about it during the nine years he was a very senior Cabinet minister. :)</p><p>I've also got to admit I'm rather creeped out by the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Logan  O&#039;Callahan</title>
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						<p>Productivity in healthcare should be measured on health output per dollar input.</p><p>Increasing operations per dollar is one aspect, but the big gains should be made by improving nutrition, lifestyle, attitudes and picking up problems early when the solutions are cheaper.</p><p>This is the equivalent of improving productivity by redesigning…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>ooh, i just finished translating the annual report of a japanese company that makes real-time polymerase chain reaction systems...as you were.</p><p>(so, has our dirty dairy industry led nz into a biotech nirvana yet? because the japanese company to which i refer started out pretty low-tech. sake brewing and spirits…</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@IS</p><p>The benefit cut in the early '90s was 7%. This is engraved on my mind. When I was a married with children PhD student and my stipend ended before I was quite finished we took a pay rise when we went on the dole (very helpful staff in the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, it looks like Phil Goff needs to start <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/questions_answered.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">working on his Peter Capaldi impersonation</a>.  </p><p>So, you not only issue the press release before you've done the policy work, but you go out and try to sell it with a human interest story that's a little economical on the veritas?…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Seriously, you think the Danish People Party have not produced a regressive immigration policy? They have made what NZFirst could only dream of.</p></blockquote><p>No, I said its regressive.  But that policy affects only a small proportion of overall Danish immigration, and is not any sort of check on the ability…</p>
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				<title>Kong</title>
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						Funny thing about innovation, it almost never comes from the top. In the workplace, the number one source of innovation seems to be between customers and designers, where necessity meets invention. In politics innovation is anathema, because it involves taking extreme positions. I can't think of the last time I…
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In other words, you're still talking bullshit.</p></blockquote><p>Seriously, you think the Danish People Party have not produced a regressive immigration policy?  They have made what NZFirst could only dream of.  </p><p>The EU recently ruled against their immigration laws and the commissioner is trying to get them ammended, but you say…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(Labour, of course &ndash; the "party that cares" &ndash; then kept benefits at that sub-starvation level. Every so often someone makes noises about fixing it, but the Phil Goff wing of the party believes heartily in Treasury's policy of starvation as an incentive, and so it continues...)</p></blockquote><p>Which is why…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Says Mr Key:</p><blockquote><p>"there's no point coming up with policies unless they're implementable".</p></blockquote><p>And that, I think, is the crux of the matter, as Russell has identified. There are plenty of things that are implementable, in the technical sense. But whether they're implementable for people sitting round the Cabinet table…</p>
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						I/S I wasn't ragging on you personally. I got that you were really saying much the same as me. But my slant is that ragging out Australia is not going to convince people, that's just more dick-measuring. It's the entire focus on competition with foreign nations that is at fault.
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						Kong: I was more pointing out that the narrow focus on economic penis-size obscures our real strengths as a country. (And another one came out today, BTW &ndash; we're <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2009/07/something-to-be-proud-of.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one of the most stable and peaceful countries in the world</a>, and far better than any of those traditional yardsticks the…
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						<blockquote><p>The unemployment benefit is conceived as exactly that. It's just that it was deliberately lowered to the poverty level in the early 1990s (see Alastair Barry's still relevant In a land of plenty )</p></blockquote><p>It wasn't lowered to the poverty level &ndash; it was lowered <em>below</em> it.  Treasury worked out…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sick of constantly being told I have to compare myself to Australians.</p><p>I'm not.</p></blockquote><p>I am. I can't see any sense in picking some nation to beat. Surely our aim should be to 'improve', rather than cherry-pick some nation on the quite arbitrary ground of being culturally <em>similar</em>  and…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>just fire this off before i exit for several hours &ndash; what about the income protection insurance idea?</p></blockquote><p>The unemployment benefit is conceived as exactly that. It's just that it was deliberately lowered to the poverty level in the early 1990s (see Alastair Barry's still relevant __In a land of…</p>
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						...you can't force people to take it, but it sounds good in principle...
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						just fire this off before i exit for several hours &ndash; what about the income protection insurance idea?
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						My contact with Australians has been great, but I do not see them or Australia as being ideals to aspire to. There are plenty of places and people in NZ to do that for me. So why keep telling me that I need to be more productive and "catch up"…
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						<blockquote><p>Not sure I follow the bit about employers being afraid &ndash; why would they care what conditions their ex-employees are subject to? Not saying they don't care, but surely it varies too much to generalise about...</p></blockquote><p>Its called a sense of social responsibility &ndash; somethign sadly lacking among our business…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The Danes are unique amoung the Schengen Area, in that they can accept or decline to adopt measures at their own behest.</p></blockquote><p>You forgot a very important word there: "new".  Because they came in late, they can refuse new measures.  But they're in for the fundamentals, which includes free movement…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Might be tricky to sell politically</p></blockquote><p>That's an understatement. Still, if we're going to think creatively, and look at what might work here....</p><blockquote><p>George, that was <em>bloody</em>  interesting. Thanks.</p></blockquote><p>I've had a lot of years to refine these ideas. I'll have a few more, by the looks of things.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Stephen, yes, indeed. I've had employers who didn't appear to care whether I was earning an income while I was their employee. </p><p>However, there are a good proportion of employers who do care enough to not want to put their employees out into the colld. There are also those for…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But since they're eligible for 80% of their former income for up to a year, up to particularly high income levels, it's not something employers are afraid to do.</p></blockquote><p>Might be tricky to sell politically ('more money for bludgers' and all that &ndash; you don't have to be a nat/act…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I call bullshit.</p><p>Denmark is part of the Schengen Agreement. Anyone in the Schengen Area</p></blockquote><p>The Danes are unique amoung the <a href="http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33020_en.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schengen Area</a>, in that they can accept or decline to adopt measures at their own behest.  (Think of it this way, Denmark supports the Schengen Agreement like Peter Garrett…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote>The thing is that both parts have to be in place together. If you simply make it easier to fire people, as this Government has done, you make people markedly less secure in their jobs, so they cling to them. That can have the effect of making the labour market…</blockquote>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you mean by liberal hiring policies? Liberal for employers? Employees? Both?</p></blockquote><p>It's relatively easy to hire some, but it's also very easy to fire them. But since they're eligible for 80% of their former income for up to a year, up to particularly high income levels, it's not…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>multi-factor productivity &ndash; that is, growth in output holding labour and capital constant. Now increasing this kind of productivity is fairly unambiguously desirable &ndash; a free lunch of sorts.</p></blockquote><p>That's kinda misrepresenting MFP though &ndash; it's considering the best combination of inputs to get a growth in output.  As opposed…</p>
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						<p>This one's a bit of a drive by but on the same lines as the Doctors point:</p><p>As an "Educator"  I can teach more students to pass more tests &ndash; Does that make me more productive ?</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						Did <a href="http://www.economicgrowth.org.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">someone</a> mention <a href="http://www.economicgrowth.org.nz/artman/publish/article_53.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Iceland</a>?
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				<title>Christopher Worthington</title>
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						<p>There seems to be a good deal of confusion about what "productivity" is arising from that fact that distinction between labour productivity and multi-factor productivity is not always apparent.</p><p>Typically, adding capital will mechanically raise your output (real GDP), and therefore, since you're holding labour constant, raise labour productivity.  </p><p>However,…</p>
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						<p><strong>outsourcing to the private sector...</strong><br />aah! The Quigley effect!</p><p>Can some one remind me how many times privatising or outsourcing to <strong>private consultants</strong> has saved money and helped "move things forward" productively...</p><p><aside> This approach to improving productivity is kind of up there with Bob Parker and Tony Marryatt &ndash; rulers…</aside></p>
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						<blockquote>Also, while we're comparing Australian and NZ responses to productivity concerns, you might appreciate the contrast between NZ capping funding for tertiary enrolments, at the very point Australia is uncapping them in universities and massively increasing funding for what's called vocational education and training. There's a wealth of research showing…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sick of constantly being told I have to compare myself to Australians.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not.</p><p>Looking at the things which actually matter &ndash; freedom, democracy, toleance, a lack of racism or corruption &ndash; we come out rather well.  its only businessmen who feelemasculated by the comparison.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Denmark also has regressive immigration law which assists a low unemployment rate by restricting the flow of new entrants to the job market.</p></blockquote><p>I call bullshit.</p><p>Denmark is part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schengen Agreement</a>.  Anyone in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schengen Area</a> (which is most of the EU, with the exception of the UK,…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Further to George's heretical comments, there's also a surprising reversal in some leading Australian economists thinking about the impact of changes to the minimum wages. </p><p>On the one hand, you have the argument that decreasing the minimum wage has a negligable impact on labour participation rates since so few are…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Denmark has some of the highest unemployment benefits in the world, but it also liberal hiring policies.</p></blockquote><p>What do you mean by liberal hiring policies? Liberal for employers? Employees? Both?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>George, that was bloody interesting. Thanks.</p></blockquote><p>Seconded.  <br />And there has been regular reference to a "liquid" labour market at the edges.  The type of shift you're talking about there directly addresses that</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Presumably we all need to earn more so that we can get back to buying bigger TV sets and speculating in the property market again. I'm sick of constantly being told I have to compare myself to Australians. I don't value that comparison and would rather compare myself to Uruguay…
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Denmark has some of the highest unemployment benefits in the world, but it also liberal hiring policies. As a result, it has one of the highest productivity levels in the world, while maintaining very low unemployment.</p></blockquote><p>Denmark also has regressive immigration law which assists a low unemployment rate by restricting…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						George, that was <em>bloody</em> interesting. Thanks.
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>I think Phil Goff's recent announcements on welfare policy show how disconnected the Labour Party was. </p><p>Not one of them seemed to realise that to qualify for the dole, you needed to be both excuciatingly poor and have exhausted all of your liquid assets. Having illiquid assets of any kind…</p>
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				<title>st ephen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They have always had ample mineral resources, but only in the last couple of decades have they pulled away from us in terms of per capita income.</p></blockquote><p>...possibly coincides with increased investment in the mining industry, which has seen its export returns creep up to 40% of total returns?  But…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Rusell: ORLY? :) To be fair, you really think that a year ago we wouldn't have had a blaring lead about National's latest "flip-flop" and how could you trust these people to run a country when they can't manage a policy release...</p></blockquote><p>But ... but ... he <em>did</em> announce it.…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair Craig, Key largely escaped unscathed after his monumentally empty promise late last year to provide a "rescue package" for people who lost their jobs because of the recession.</p></blockquote><p>Rusell: ORLY? :)  To be fair, you really think that a year ago we wouldn't have had a blaring…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And the equivalent for NZ would be an oil strike in the Great South Basin.</p></blockquote><p>There are thought to be fairly large reserves of oil in the Great Southern Basin. The problem is that they're deep below a lot of ocean, and further amounts of rock, making extraction expensive. They're…</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Whoops, how do you spell <quuuuote> again?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Then again, why should he if the rather embarrasing hand job he received on Morning Report is going to be the kind of scrutiny received? Key would deservedly have been flayed for issuing the press release before the policy...</p></blockquote><p>To be fair Craig, Key largely escaped unscathed after [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-election-2008/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501799&amp;objectid=10540032|his monumentally empty…</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						For all of Australia's wonderful natural resources, they can't drink gold and uranium. They are drying out and will have a real problem soon with finding enough water. So expect an invasion as we are still reasonably endowed with H2O. Will this help raise our GDP and per capita income?…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						The <a href="http://progbills.wikidot.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Progressive Bills Project</a> just had its first bill drawn from the ballot.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>John Key seems already to be trying to head off that possibility by declaring that "there's no point coming up with policies unless they're implementable". Declaring that your economic doctor will be ignored if he insists on acting crazy seems an odd way to start.</p></blockquote><p>Not so much when you…</p>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<p>It's too simplistic to say that Australians are wealthier because they have more natural resources.</p><p>They have always had ample mineral resources, but only in the last couple of decades have they pulled away from us in terms of per capita income.</p><p>We also have many resources. One of our…</p>
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				<title>Alec Morgan</title>
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						<p>The prolific Gordon Campbell at scoop says what I think too:<br /><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL200907/S00236.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL200907/S00236.htm</a></p><p>Peter Conway at NZCTU has produced numbers to confirm that Aussie wages headed off into the distance in the ECA years-1991-99.</p><p>Privatise Treasury first indeed!</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						I think it's a stretch to paint Brash's time as RB Governor as a major driver of our productivity issues.  Happy to have the discussion as to whether the Reserve Banks ACT's focus on inflation control constrains growth, but I don't know that he personally took decisions that he wasn't…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I thought that noise emanated from Nick Smith and Tony Ryall.</p></blockquote><p>No, its definitely Hutchison or Auchinvole &ndash; that toffy voice is quite distinctive.</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, they could certainly replace Paul Hutchison (or is it Chris Auchinvole), with his pre-hersed plummy "ohhhhh..." whenever English digs up the "latest" from 20 years ago.</p></blockquote><p>I thought that noise emanated from Nick Smith and Tony Ryall.</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The government forced the junior doctors into strike action mid-2008.</p></blockquote><p>That's a bit simplistic, Angus. A lot (and I'd argue most) of the blame for strike action should be laid directly at the feet of Deborah Powell, head of Contact Negotiation Services, and acting on behalf of the junior doctors.…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote>Isn't the general idea to wear down public medicine until it too is privatised? Let's face it, public hospitals have, even after nine years of Labour, never recovered from the savaging of the Richardson/Shipley years.Isn't the general idea to wear down public medicine until it too is privatised? Let's face…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Why would anyone believe that Brash is the man that could make this happen. With his stewardship of the Reserve Bank, isn't he one of the drivers that got us in this mess?</p></blockquote><p>party, but <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/12/productivity-and-wage-gap.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the real culprit is Bill Birch</a>.</p>
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						<p>I'm with Sacha on this.</p><p>Give a kiwi a spade, and he'll return 10 hours later bathed in sweat with a few sacks of spuds worth US$200.</p><p>Give an Aussie a spade , and he'll spend the morning reading the paper and arguing about the footy over smoko, then after…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sure a competant DJ could replace 80% of the house in the debating chamber..</p></blockquote><p>Well, they could certainly replace Paul Hutchison (or is it Chris Auchinvole), with his pre-hersed plummy "ohhhhh..." whenever English digs up the "latest" from 20 years ago.</p><p>Alternatively, we could just have a tape of…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>Thanks to thouse who have explained this "increased productivity" thin so clearly. I've been puzzling over it for a few days, every time it gets mentioned on Morning Report.</p><p>"Increased productivity is just more output for the same input"</p><p>So this is like saying the car will go farther and…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						And play the pre recorded Patsy Questions!
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I personally wouldn't want to be in a government that took on the Mother and apple pie sector that is nursing.</p></blockquote><p>The government forced the junior doctors into strike action mid-2008.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>you CAN'T increase productivity in the health sector by getting to work harder or longer.</p></blockquote><p>I understand that.  The problem is that Bill English doesn't, and thinks you can keep squeezing blood out of that stone.</p><p>All i can say is that he better get used to wiping his own…</p>
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						<p><And I personally wouldn't want to be in a government that took on the Mother and apple pie sector that is nursing.></p><p>I don't think they care that much if Joe and Mrs Soap can't get a hospital bed when desperately needed. They themselves of course just go private. Isn't the general idea to wear down public medicine until it too is privatised?  Let's face it, public hospitals have, even after nine…</p>
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						<p>On the productivity matter, the taskforce will fail for a number of reasons:</p><p> &ndash; nobody has the political courage in this country to wean the masses from their love of real estate investment and consumer credit. We'll never have strong investment in plant and technology until that happens. In the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I doubt though that Dr Brash will suggest anything to improve our robot density, since his concept of increased productivity is the "flexibility" to work longer for less.</p></blockquote><p>"Flexibility" in this case is a euphemism for union-crushing.</p><blockquote><p>An interesting story by Brian Fallow in the Herald today notes that Treasury…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>John Fouhy</title>
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						<p>Maybe we need more automation in parliament!</p><p>We could start with a few tape recordings of people shouting "Hear hear!" and "Shame!".</p><p>I'm sure a competant DJ could replace 80% of the house in the debating chamber..</p>
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						<blockquote><p>If I was a doctor how would I do that? Cut consultations from 15 minutes to 10 minutes or 5 minutes? Ration drugs? Get rid of the charge nurse?</p></blockquote><p>I don't think you have to go that far, but even a 1 min improvement over a 15 min consultation would…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He clearly knows little about constitutional law matters</p></blockquote><p>Or workplace harassment..</p>
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						<p>Most lawyers appear to be quite comfortable with the CJ's comments. This includes the President of the Law Society.</p><p>Garrett may be a former lawyer, but he was an employment lawyer. He clearly knows little about constitutional law matters. There has never been a perfect separation between the branches of…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Andrew Geddis reprises his position about pollies and judges sticking to their knitting in a Herald <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10585826&amp;pnum=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">op-ed</a>.
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						And yet, I believe in the wider economy one of the few feasible ways of measuring  productivity is by seeing how much people are paid.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Sacha &ndash; I suspect Treasuries woeful record on forcating anything is a direct result of their being little more than the last outpost of the Chicago School. </p><p>Idiot/Savant &ndash; you <strong>CAN'T</strong> increase productivity in the health sector by getting to work harder or longer. I have seen with my own…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"recommend things Australia have done/are doing to help their productivity"</p></blockquote><p>Like discover more uranium.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>By comparison, in NZ successive governments have allowed us to manage things for ourselves.</p></blockquote><p>You've ignored the billions of dollars that the last government put into the Super Fund, which is investing that back into the local and international economy.</p>
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						<p>Isn't productivity at least partly about value? Increasing <strong>valued</strong> outputs &ndash; which hopefully would be deisgned to create better outcomes.  What is "better" is a matter of political position &ndash; whether it's cheaper or more inclusive services, for example.</p><p>In the doctor example, it might mean allocating more time to…</p>
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				<title>Paul Webber</title>
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						<p>Sacha, The NZ Herald’s <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10585302" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> editorial</a> on Saturday was excellent:</p><blockquote><p>The Act Party's Justice spokesman David Garrett's spluttering that it is "not judges' business to direct or even advise executive &ndash; that is a basic constitutional rule" was even more laughable. It is safe to say that if there were any…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						By the way, does anyone have a link to terms of reference yet?   I'm interested to see how the Australian thing is couched &ndash; is it "recommend anything you want to get a productivity level same as Aus" or "recommend things Australia have done/are doing to help their productivity"?
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						<blockquote><p>That a man who himself is a public servant of such long experience can be so willfully ignorant of the facts on the ground is an indictment of him, personally.</p></blockquote><p>Treasury probably do not see themselves as part of the public service, and their woeful engagement with either that or…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Will someone please tell me what increased productivity means? For Nurses, teachers, doctors, scientists, Members of Parliament?</p></blockquote><p>Someone has already pointed out that it is output over input.  In the manufacturing sector, this is primarily governed by technology &ndash; factories can produce more with better plant, construction workers can build…</p>
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						<p>About Sian Elias. Rex Widerstrom's response in the Kiwiblog comments (<a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/the_press_on_the_chief_justice.html#comment-585545" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">direct link</a> so you don't have to wade through crap) has some good quotes from overseas chief judges about the boundaries of their role. The Western Australian one says:</p><blockquote><p>Although Judges are servants of the public, they are not public…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>In Australia, automatic superannuation enrolment was widespread from 1986 and increasing superannuation contributions have been essentially compulsory from 1992.  Today most <a href="http://www.actu.asn.au/super/about/super_history.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Aussies divert 9%</a> of their income into superannuation investments.</p><p>So for two decades (more or less), Australian superannuation fund managers have been looking for places to invest the great…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I was a doctor how would I do that? Cut consultations from 15 minutes to 10 minutes or 5 minutes? Ration drugs? Get rid of the charge nurse?</p></blockquote><p>That's one (incredibly wrong for our situation) way.  The other is too invest in technology, training, better hospital rooms etc to…</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The death blow to the British industry &ndash; once the workshop of the world &ndash; occured when they returned to the gold standard and created an over-valued currency that destroyed what competitiveness was left in the British economy.</p><p>Quite why this lesson seems to elude New Zealand, where our economy…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Anyone who has spent time in a public hospital as I have recently and observed the workloads on nurses and doctors would find the sort of comments we've heard recently from Bill English on public sector productivity risable, comical and insulting all at once.</p><p>That a man who himself is…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, Rod Oram. I'm saying it more in hope than expectation, but I'm saying it.</p></blockquote><p>Amen.  Or someone of similar inclination.  Gaynor would be another possibility, although possibly too market focussed than economic. </p><p>The problem we'll face is that capital deepening as practiced by the Taskforce's "target" is compulsory employer…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						<p>Thanks Dave: "Increased productivity is just more output for the same input &ndash; for nurses and doctors it would be more patients//operations for the same money/drug spend/mortality rate."<br />If I was a doctor how would I do that? Cut consultations from 15 minutes to 10 minutes or 5 minutes? Ration…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, Rod Oram. I'm saying it more in hope than expectation, but I'm saying it.</p></blockquote><p>Don't hold your breath too long in expectation of that, Russell. Messrs Key and English aren't exactly fans of Rod Oram, and I can't see them consenting to such an appointment. They even refused all…</p>
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						Increased productivity is just more output for the same input &ndash; for nurses and doctors it would be more patients//operations for the same money/drug spend/mortality rate. Teachers is a harder one. MPs would have to STFU at question time and in debates to get more productivity &ndash; might also serve…
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						Will someone please tell me what increased productivity means? For Nurses, teachers, doctors, scientists, Members of Parliament?
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						<p>The death blow to the British industry &ndash; once the workshop of the world &ndash; occured when they returned to the gold standard and created an over-valued currency that destroyed what competitiveness was left in the British economy.</p><p>Quite why this lesson seems to elude New Zealand, where our economy…</p>
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