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Nobody Important

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:12:27 +1200

where the heck is John Key in all of this?? Has he got an opinion

He's got plenty but he will be keeping them to himself until the run up to the election. He's not stupid. He sees which way the wind is blowing first before opening his mouth. Clarke…

Jackie Clark

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:21:57 +1200

Whilst others debate more weighty matters, I'm just glad that RB's son is enjoying Colin. Kids laughing is not a bad thing.

Chockasunday

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:31:54 +1300

Riddeley, it would be nice if you calmed down on the flaming and vitriol you target towards certain people.

Apologies to everyone else for posting this, there's no private message option on the boards.

Greg Dawson

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:36:57 +1300

hokay, so I've done a chunk of googling re: tamihere scandalous gossip. are we talking the psychokiller brother and the fact that he grew up in a big poor family?
i know black and white supposedly gives a heart rending account of his woeful childhood trauma, but finding a review…

Riddley Walker

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:19:12 +1300

boy, it looks like the 1995 Domestic Violence Act , bought in by National is political correctness gone mad!

Steve Curtis

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:59:12 +1300

Criminalising decent parents ?
Have you read the 1995 Domestic Violence Act , bought in by National .
thus
3 Meaning of ``domestic violence''
In this section, ``violence'' means---
(a) Physical abuse:
(b) Sexual abuse:
(c) Psychological abuse, including, but not limited to,---
(i) Intimidation:
(ii) Harassment:
(iii) Damage to…

Riddley Walker

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:50:12 +1300

an immediate lobotomy to change her bias [to National]

now i get it, so that how you get to see things from National's viewpoint. i always figured it must have required some kind of neuropathology.

why are Labour MPs being whipped into line over this

well gee rossoron, maybe because…

ron

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:58:12 +1300

"I think the point Collins was trying to make in her oh so unweildly way was that she thought Kiro wasn't being independant, that she was trotting out the Labour party line. Which is pretty stupid considering it's a green party bill".

Right, so why are Labour MPs being whipped…

ron

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:52:13 +1300

"If Kiro didn't independently advocate for children she wouldn't be fulfilling her responsibilities under the law".

That might be so, but how is criminalising decent parents advocating for children? It's difficult to see how separating kids from their parents, which is likely to be more prevalent if the bill is…

Hamish

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:11:50 +1300

Collins is just trying to get her 15 column inches of fame.

That's all the opposition does. Speaking of which, where the heck is John Key in all of this?? Has he got an opinion (Havoc brought this up with Russ on bFM yesterday – I think it's a mighty…

dad4justice

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:50:45 +1300

Hey hold on a bit here, as describing Judith Collins as a bully and a fool is hardly fair. I do not agree with her out bursts concerning the deadbeat dad tag and child support, as she fails to recognise the fact that a lot of fathers flee to Australia…

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:33:24 +1300

HMS Collins is a bully and a fool. anyone hear her get eviscerated on National radio this afternoon. it was great. actually even funnier was hearing Jim Mora stutter and splutter when he realised his 'Panel', usually stacked with redneck rightwing populists to voice the opinions he holds but dare…

reece palmer

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:03:44 +1300

If Kiro didn't independently advocate for children she wouldn't be fulfilling her responsibilities under the law.

I think the point Collins was trying to make in her oh so unweildly way was that she thought Kiro wasn't being independant, that she was trotting out the Labour party line. Which is…

Russell Brown

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:33 +1300

Ms Collins is just finishing on afternoons – her emphasis as regards Kiro was that Kiro should be too busy dealing with CYPFs complaints and so on to put out press releases.

Yeah, but she invoked the 2003 Act to say so, in a way that suggested she either didn't…

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:57:47 +1300

yeah, i guess she should be out there working in the community like Collins. i mean to say, fancy a Commissioner for Children being a spokesperson for children at a time like this, the outrage of it and all.

Lyndon Hood

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:54:23 +1300

Ms Collins is just finishing on afternoons – her emphasis as regards Kiro was that Kiro should be too busy dealing with CYPFs complaints and so on to put out press releases.

Craig Young

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:48:14 +1300

Oh, and here's some information on JT's brother, David...

"Double murderer David Tamihere will remain in jail for at
least another year. Tamihere was convicted in 1990 of
killing Swedish tourists Heidi Paakkonen and Urban Hoglin
and was today turned down for parole. He has a string of
other convictions…

Craig Young

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:39:19 +1300

Why does National have a "Family" spokesperson, given that all she ever seems to do is attack solo mums, LGBT families, opponents of parental corporal punishment of children, and otherwise pander to the hardcore Christian Right?

Oh. Come to think of it, that *is* why...

Craig Y.

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:36:12 +1300

Or TV last night.

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:07:02 +1300

there's this really neat thing called google

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:57:53 +1300

Not for the same reason methinks.

Greg Dawson

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:54:43 +1300

But I did hear that Helen...

ohmagawd flipflopper flipflopper! we must purge the halls of parliament of people that change their minds!

actually i'm really curious as to the Tamihere family history as well.

ron

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:39:33 +1300

> is anyone aware of the Tamihere family history?

No, why don't you enlighten us.

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:31:40 +1300

Smacking as a defence, smacking as a defence, smacking as a defence, ooh look, there's some Springfielders, woot, woot, woot...

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:26:55 +1300

yeah that's a really good one rossoron.
how's your cat then?

ron

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:21:09 +1300

"What has astounded me though, is the argument put forward by some National MP's that people such as Helen Clark aren't fit to talk about this legislation because they aren't parents".

Can't say that I've heard that one. But I did hear that Helen, just prior to the last election,…

Rogan Polkinghorne

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:14:30 +1300

dc, it's never too early! A little wake n bake never hurt anyone...did it?

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:31:25 +1300

It's OK JT, you can still abandon your cats...heh, two threads in one right there, scoring today. (though I refuse to believe I've had that many posts...must be my shadow hand).

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:10:02 +1300

i hear John 'Never Did Me Any Harm' Tamihere is frothing about this now. WTF? is anyone aware of the Tamihere family history?

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:06:47 +1300

Beware, soon The Knowing will fade and Monday will dawn, and it will be raining, and you won't know how you got there...

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:00:15 +1300

My eyes are being truely forced open today.

What other treasured myths lie ready to be violated in a similar fashion I wonder?

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:56:50 +1300

LOL, Ben get ye to a Uni Library!

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:46:53 +1300

Surely politicians voting on and discussing issues that they know little or nothing about is an essential part of a representative democracy?

dc_red

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:38:41 +1300

does that mean that all non-pot smokers shouldn't be involved in legislation regarding cannabis? Hmmm, wouldn't that be interesting...puff puff

What a promising idea. Although it's Friday, Rogan, I suggest puffing before 4pm is a bit over the top. :)

Rogan Polkinghorne

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:08:17 +1300

I've got to say I'm kinda sick of the flogging this whole smacking thing has received; sure it's important, but I think there's just too much hysteria being generated from all sides for people to get a realistic grip on the issue.

What has astounded me though, is the argument…

Peter Darlington

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:56:41 +1300

No. Perv.

Harsh but fair old son, harsh but fair.

Russell Brown

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:45:49 +1300

Mummy and Daddy have better things to do at 8am on a Saturday than watch television.
What's that then? Can we all join in?

No. Perv.

Peter Darlington

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:07:11 +1300

Mummy and Daddy have better things to do at 8am on a Saturday than watch television.

What's that then? Can we all join in?

Neil Morrison

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:00:19 +1300

Callen also described the new reality format as "moving beyond the magazine style programmes of the past."

If it's such a good idea then I look forward to TVNZ going this way with all of its current affairs and news programmes. Perhaps One News could base itself in the offices…

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:52:58 +1300

i guess Collins is attacking all these organizations that officially support the bill too:

UNICEF New Zealand, Save the Children, Barnardos NZ, Royal Plunket Society, Office of the Children's Commissioner, Families Commission, Jigsaw – Child Abuse Prevention (representing 14 member organisations), IHC, Amokura Family Violence Prevention (representing 7 iwi Chief…

the E

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:39:50 +1300

Chris Finlayson is a long-term supporter and patron of the arts. He has also put his money where his mouth is, including with Patronage of the 2004 NZ International Arts Festival, and sponsoring NZSO's Principal Oboeist Robert Orr.

Maybe FrontSeat's target market is Mummy and Daddy, since most artists I…

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Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:39:50 +1300

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