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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Nearly 3000bp years longer?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:26:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Scouts used it as a long service badge</p></blockquote><p>Heck</p><blockquote><p>as long as there are nazis around</p></blockquote><p>Longer, much longer</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben.Shirmer</title>
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						History can never be reversed. During WWII the swastika has changed its meaning dramatically and as long as there are nazis around that refer to the movement it won't loose this meaning.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:10:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>The cultural appropriation of the swastika by europeans was a disaster.<br />The Scouts used it as a long service badge and it was used extensively by Anglicans in Christchurch prior to WWII &amp; some Austrian failed artist, vegetarian liked it too.<br />The white middle class seem to be trying to rehabilitate…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:56:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>To clarify, my last comment referred to what was at that stage the last sentence of Mr Clive's post: "I'm sure donations were more forthcoming when it was called that."<br />As you were.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:22:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does anyone else want to expose them to the wrath of an organised consumer boycott?</p></blockquote><p>See above and previous page...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:36:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						As someone who had an intellectually disabled cousin, I refuse to watch Breakfast on TVNZ until that ignorant piece of ableist folderol apologises for the offence that he has caused. Or purchase any of the products advertised during the course of that programme.  Does anyone else want to expose them…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:19:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Well that's the main thing
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:55:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew  clive</title>
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						<p>Yes its now called the Homai Vision Education Center.</p><p> It sounds phony.</p><p> I much prefer Homai Blind School which is what it was originally called for a very long time. I'm sure donations were more forthcoming when it was called that.</p><p>I'm sure if Key called Goff a retard or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:54:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>All kinds of gangs, not just Polynesian ones, have used Nazi symbols because they communicate being anti-social.</p></blockquote><p>Still wierd, given that Hitler considered everyone not North European to be an untermensch, with a bit of a free pass for allies, like Franco and Mussolini. Oh, and himself.</p><p>I only raise…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:31:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Dennis Welch has just made an interesting point in his media comment slot on <em>Nine to Noon</em>.  </p><p>Can we now look forward to "retarded" finding its way into editorial copy for other news/current affairs shows on TVNZ? </p><p>And if, for the sake of argument, John Key stood up in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:07:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Part of the reason why Henry is getting served over this now is a maturity of belonging and politics where the people he is demeaning and their associates are ready to say it's not ok.</p></blockquote><p>That's right Sacha. Explains why, for the first time, there was some mainstream media coverage…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:37:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Brutus is an honourable man</p></blockquote><p>Doubly relevent because the (rhetorical) irony arises from him <em>technically</em> honouring restrictions placed on his speech.</p><p>I've daydreamed about offending the privileges committee and making an apology along those lines. Somehow I doubt either of those things would actually happen.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<blockquote>Part of the reason why Henry is getting served over this now is a maturity of belonging and politics where the people he is demeaning and their associates are ready to say it's not ok. The context is influenced by other successes, by media coverage and the actions of public…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:35:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Mainly amongst the american influenced wheelie fraternity.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:09:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>The Vision Education Centre is apparently the name of the Auckland residential special school otherwise known as Homai. Seems a strange name to me but if it came out of the community concerned who is anyone else to criticise?</p><p>I am still uneasy about residential special schools, especially impairment specific…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:37:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>It's not so simple as saying that any member of a certain group of people can call themselves whatever they like &ndash; the labels represent social negotiation over time. </p><p>We all have different depths and angles of understanding, and only some of us have the luxury of specialist interest and/or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:23:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Accompanied by changes so that the Foundation's blind and vision-impaired members elect the Board. </p><p>No idea what the 'education centre' refers to, Andrew &ndash; maybe Homai?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:09:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>very small point.  There was an actual law passed a few years back to change one small word,  replaced 'for'</p><p>They are now the Royal New Zealand Foundation of the Blind  &ndash;  an ownership thing</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:05:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the use of the word retarded is fine but retard is derogatory .</p></blockquote><p>I really don't see the difference (other than adjective/noun) when they are applied in a way meant to insult and disparage.</p><p>There's a post at FWD/Forward that discusses why "retard" / "retarded" is problematic: [[http://disabledfeminists.com/2009/10/16/ableist-word-profile-retarded/|Ableist…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:22:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>andrew clive &ndash; the last letter I had from what used to be TRFFTB &ndash; now, thankfully, the NZ Foundation for the Blind- came from that organisation.Not any kind of 'Visual Reducation Centre".</p><p>Are you talking about ANZ organisations? Or something far, far ,away?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:39:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If intimidation doesn't do the trick, making the little bastard blush just has to do.</p></blockquote><p>you evil evil man.</p><p>I was quite interested to read  today that P Henry suffers from another  form of terardation. I feel it explains somewhat.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:37:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>I sometime wonder how Kanzi or Koko feel...</p><p>(Koko actually tried to teach one of her kittens to sign- who knows what exasperated swearing could've eventuated?)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:35:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew  clive</title>
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						<p>I think the use of the word retarded is fine but retard is derogatory . Like any word if it is used in the nasty manner that Paul Henry subscribed too it isn't acceptable.</p><p>I remember when the Black Eyed Peas had a hit with the song "Lets get retarded…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:32:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ur, I thought Craig was showing a photo of his father and referring to young impertinent one as 'be-atch'?</p></blockquote><p>And watch various women of my acquaintance sharpening their second best stilettos in anticipation of some <em>Single White Female</em>-style re-education if I open my trap any wider.  :)</p><p>Perhaps Caliban spoke…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:30:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>African American is universally funny, Snoop would go over a higher percentage of peep's heads, keep working on it pollywog.E*()</p><blockquote><p>Ur, I thought Craig was showing a photo of his father and referring to young impertinent one as 'be-atch'?</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, I kind of regret saying anything now. At the time…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:19:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Does anyone know the status of 'nigger' the dog in the remake of The Dambuster's movie?</p><p><strong>Renamed African American in the last shooting script I saw.</strong></p></blockquote><p>should call it snoop</p>
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						Ur, I thought Craig was showing a photo of his father and referring to young impertinent one as 'be-atch'?
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ah, do other people not carry around pics of their parents? Isn't that what that bit in the wallet is for?</p></blockquote><p>Sure <em>people</em> do , but badasses carry around photos of their be-atches.</p>
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						Tautoko Deborah's point -we have a habit in my (quite large) whanau of saying "She's a bit different"  (me) or "He's a bit different' (one of my grandnephews who is Aspergers.) It covers a very wide range of differences, and isnt taken as perjorative.
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Gotta love a badass who carries around a picture of his father.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, do other people not carry around pics of their parents?  Isn't that what that bit in the wallet is for?</p><p>Although somehow I doubt me flashing a cute pic of my dad cuddling my son is going…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Does anyone know the status of 'nigger' the dog in the remake of The Dambuster's movie?</p></blockquote><p>Renamed African American in the last shooting script I saw.</p>
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						Does anyone know the status of 'nigger' the dog in the remake of The Dambuster's movie?
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Brutus is an honourable man."</p></blockquote><p>Oh Steve, bless you. That was one of my Honours essays: "All Honourable Men: Values and Truth in Shakespeare's <em>Julius Caesar</em>", and you're dead right. Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to nerd right up there. </p><p>Slightly relatedly, I'm kind of tired of…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>NatRad was still going on about the Adagio fiasco on Midday Report. There were gasps, apparently, from members of the audience, when the offending words were spoken and the offending orgasm faked.</p><p>In other news, pantomime audiences were heard to say "ooh" in response to innuendo spoken by men dressed…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is that similar to the use of swastikas by members of largely Polynesian gangs?</p></blockquote><p>Depends on what parallel you're trying to draw. All kinds of gangs, not just Polynesian ones, have used Nazi symbols because they communicate being anti-social. You don't shout sieg fucken heil because you're a Nazi, but…</p>
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				<title>pollywog</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is that similar to the use of swastikas by members of largely Polynesian gangs?</p></blockquote><p>so polys arent allowed to be anti semitic ?...thats racialist:)</p><p>and i'm way partial to calling people fucktards.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OTOH, I have gay friends who might refer to themselves as "faggots". It's all about context.</p></blockquote><p>By analogy, perhaps a person with learning difficulties referring to herself as 'retarded' is one thing, but another person using the word 'retarded' in reference to her is another.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:07:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's different again &mdash; these kids are identifying with niggaz, because they are taking cultural cues from hip hop music.</p></blockquote><p>Is that similar to the use of swastikas by members of largely Polynesian gangs?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:26:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's my context, be-atch. Deal.</p></blockquote><p>Word.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:09:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On the other hand, "nigger" didn't use to be such a bad word ...</p></blockquote><p>Damn, do I have to get out my offence taking pants with the special panty waist...</p><blockquote><p>And we're not even getting to white kids from the North Shore who greet each other with "Yo, mah nigga!"</p></blockquote><p>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:00:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're not twisting far enough. Imagine you and a blind person entering a darkened room. Whose relationship with the light switch is "special"?</p></blockquote><p>Ahaa! But who is more likely to have a torch.<br />;-)</p>
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						<p>Sorry Sacha if I may just one last time.</p><blockquote><p>And there is the difference "combination of words" as opposed to just words.</p></blockquote><p>That would depend what language you're using, and the formal rules for distinguishing words, if words and morphemes are in fact distinct. Does this ruling apply only in…</p>
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						<p>'In-valid' Benefit has long been a concern for the sector. Some had graduated from the Handicapped Child's Allowance. That is now called the Child Disability Allowance and the In-valid's Benefit could easily be renamed the Disability Benefit.</p><p>Whatever the name, young people whose parents get the Child Disability Allowance (and…</p>
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						<blockquote>While I understand and agree Neil, there are myriad combination of words that are banned in certain contexts, due to the suppression order. Because regardless of my intended meaning, you and I both know there are certain combinations of words ( or a single word if you want to be…</blockquote>
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						Please let's not get diverted by the suppression of someone's identity which is not the same thing at all as Russell patiently pointed out upthread.
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						<blockquote><p>it derived from "Special Needs" which, to a point, is a good way of describing someone who needs a bit of help, more so than "Others" (excuse the deliberate logical twist).</p></blockquote><p>You're not twisting far enough. Imagine you and a blind person entering a darkened room. Whose relationship with the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"Homophobia is Gay"</p></blockquote><p>Jimbo: "You kissed a girl? That's so gay!"</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>While I understand and agree Neil, there are myriad combination of words that are banned in certain contexts, due to the suppression order. </blockquote>And there is the difference "combination of words" as opposed to just words. The Herald and in fact all New Zealand news outlets, have used the two…
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				<title>Steve Reeves</title>
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						<p>"Brutus is an honourable man." </p><p>Using only complimentary words to get someone condemned---not quite what was asked for above, but nice all the same. A good example of causing offence using only compliments?</p><p>Certainly good telly!</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>regardless of whether any information is conveyed to anyone or not</p></blockquote><p>Huh? I would think most of the legal test you're think of are in precisely those terms.</p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cued into the tone perfectly, despite missing the actual meaning?</p></blockquote><p>Exactly. I think Salinger was trying to show how the intention behind a derogatory term is much more powerful and easy to interpret than the term itself.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It does pass.</p></blockquote><p>Good to hear. It passed quickly for us, perhaps because the cause of his disability is known, a stroke. Makes it a pretty easy sell that he's not 'normal' in <em>every</em>  way.</p><p>Dyan</p><blockquote><p>The boy is so upset that he disappears and is finally found crying inconsolably</p></blockquote><p>…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						While I understand and agree Neil, there are  myriad combination of words that are banned in certain contexts, due to the suppression order. Because regardless of my intended meaning, you and I both know there are certain combinations of words ( or a single word if you want to be…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> I remember "special" being used in a pretty derogatory way many a time. </blockquote>The odd thing with that was it derived from "Special Needs" which, to a point, is a good way of describing someone who needs a bit of help, more so than "Others" (excuse the deliberate logical twist).…
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				<title>Neil Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>head to your nearest printers, print and distribute names of name suppressed entertainer.</p></blockquote><p>There are no words banned there,  Information is suppressed.  Banning isn't really an idea that can be applied to information, it's just there.</p><p>The words themselves are not intrinsically related to the restriction.  The aspect that is…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Come to think of it, why all the complaining about <em>Adagio</em> when then story in <em>Fly My Pretties</em> was all about two kids saving their family by chasing P?</p><p>(Okay, 'Pi', which was the name of a fantail, but that's what it sounded like.)</p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So every term that could ever be come up with will be used in a derogatory way eventually. It's mostly in how it's done, rather than the words used. Tone, non-verbals etc.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly what Ben said. </p><p>JD Salinger wrote a short story called  <em>Down at the Dingy</em>  portraying exactly that.…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's different again &mdash; these kids are identifying with niggaz, because they are taking cultural cues from hip hop music.</p></blockquote><p>yeah I hear you. just the correlation of location and colour blindness compelled me to mention it</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My son has just come back from the Special Olympics national games in Palmerston North with several medals for swimming.</p></blockquote><p>YAY!</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe it's something in the water, it reminds me of a 10 year old half Chinese boy I knew on the shore who used to complain about those gooks.</p></blockquote><p>It's different again &mdash; these kids are <em>identifying</em> with niggaz, because they are taking cultural cues from hip hop music.</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And we're not even getting to white kids from the North Shore who greet each other with "Yo, mah nigga!"</p></blockquote><p>Maybe it's something in the water, it reminds me of a 10 year old half Chinese boy I knew on the shore who used to complain about <em>those gooks</em>, I'd…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't really have an acceptable lexicon for discussing my son's issues. Respectful people will cue off the words I use. I'm yet to meet anyone disrespectful.</p></blockquote><p>That's insightful, Ben.</p><blockquote><p>The trickiest is the people who want to say he's 'normal', and seek to find every behavior normal.</p></blockquote><p>Oh yeah.…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						I <a href="http://www.critic.co.nz/archive?archive_id=948&amp;type_code=a&amp;page=44" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wrote a Critic article on swears</a> back in the day.
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						<blockquote><p>I need to get hip to the scene clearly.</p></blockquote><p>And we're not even getting to white kids from the North Shore who greet each other with "Yo, mah nigga!"</p>
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						There's no nice words, though. I remember "special" being used in a pretty derogatory way many a time. The problem is that the derogation of the term comes from what it is describing. So every term that could ever be come up with will be used in a derogatory way…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My son has just come back from the Special Olympics national games in Palmerston North with several medals for swimming.</p></blockquote><p>Cool.</p><blockquote><p>I fear Mr Talslov has faked an Organisation.</p></blockquote><p>Heh.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd sincerely like to see someone try to get arrested intending offence using only compliments.</p><p>That would make excellent television.</p></blockquote><p>I expect a fully developed script collaboration between Craig Renapia and Ian Dalzeal on my desk by the end of the week.</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OTOH, I have gay friends who might refer to themselves as "faggots". It's all about context.</p></blockquote><p>I need to get hip to the scene clearly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:33:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sir, both my former teachers and my Google dictionary search say you are mistaken.</p></blockquote><p>Russell's original comment send me off to Wikipedia, where I found that Wikipedians apparently think some odd pairs of vowels identical.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:32:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I think we both have misgivings about the name of the "invalid's benefit".</p></blockquote><p>Would anybody really object if it were called "Cash for Cretins" or "Money for the Moronic"?<br />Yes, I suppose they would but it's better than nothing. <br />I suppose that people that complain, just want to be taken…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:30:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd sincerely like to see someone try to get arrested intending offence using only compliments.</p></blockquote><p>That would make excellent television.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:30:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But which way are these trends going?</p></blockquote><p>It's complex. Only 58% of viewers surveyed by the BSA this year were offended by the word "fuck", down from 70% in 2006. When Peter Jones declared to a radio reporter "I'm absolutely buggered," after the All Blacks' momentous 1956 win against the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:29:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can't remember the advertising...it must have worked.</p></blockquote><p>Garden waterfalls..</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:28:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>I can't help hearing "invalid" as in "not valid".</p></blockquote><p>I recommend deliberately pronouncing it that way. Especially when around those who had a chance to change its name but chose not to.</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It is not the words, per se, but the intended offence.</p></blockquote><p>Mark sat for a time pondering; cunt......stable, cunt....stable, cunt..stable. damn. :D </p><p>In the first case yes. The second it's most assuredly the words. I'd sincerely like to see someone try to get arrested intending offence using only compliments.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:15:12 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>My son has just come back from the Special Olympics national games in Palmerston North with several medals for swimming.</p></blockquote><p>Brilliant!</p><blockquote><p>He's not retarded or mentally defective and he's not an imbecile or an idiot. However, all of these words have been used by policy people in the past to…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:12:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why else would someone cough up ten grand toward a party for a bunch of internet geeks.</p></blockquote><p>I can't remember the advertising...it must have worked. They were advertising Panadol? I felt strangely compelled towards it on Saturday.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> find your nearest police officer, approach mindfully, say "you are a fucking cunt." </blockquote>It's OK if you rapidly follow it with the word "Stable". The Officer would then have to prove they were a virgin for it to be defamatory. It is not the words, per se, but the intended…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:12:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We are not the right demographic and the advertisers know that.</p></blockquote><p>ORLY, Paul?  I'm going to be dragging my pointy headed elitist arse down to Wellington next February to squee all over Neil Gaiman among other things-- and have quite happily cancelled my booking at Heritage Hotels' otherwise perfectly agreeable…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:08:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p>Speaking of Eric Idle ..<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-nVPxR57U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90-nVPxR57U</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:07:49 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote>Advertising is meant to slip in under your consciousness, not be something you consciously choose to buy </blockquote>Au contraire Mr. W. Advertising is a way of having fun with your profits as opposed to giving it to the taxman. Why else would someone cough up ten grand toward a party…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:04:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>pollywog</title>
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						lo fi guerilla television would be way more interesting...a gunge hit squad with water guns spraying the 'boobs on bikes' parade  or a bucket of shit thrown at offensive personalities going about their everyday business by masked persons who then make a well planned getaway, filmed from a few angles…
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I fear Mr Talslov has faked an Organisation. Unless, of course, you were referring to the FCC Mr. T</p></blockquote><p>Mindfully approach your nearest police officer, try "you are a fucking cunt." or alternatively, head to your nearest printers, print and distribute names of name suppressed entertainer. You'll soon find out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:00:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> Though it might be nice if at least occasionally it came at the expense of rich white wankers instead of the usual targets.</blockquote>Did you not get the Memo?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We are not the right demographic and the advertisers know that.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, anyone who threatens that they will not buy something from an advertisement because of offense taken to some buffoonery in a show is probably in the 'too hard' basket. Advertising is meant to slip in under your consciousness,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:56:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>emotional provocation is what the audience has been trained to want</p></blockquote><p>True. Though it might be nice if at least occasionally it came at the expense of rich white wankers instead of the usual targets.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>My son has just come back from the Special Olympics national games in Palmerston North with several medals for swimming. </p><p>He's not retarded or mentally defective and he's not an imbecile or an idiot. However, all of these words have been used by policy people in the past to label…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:46:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But some organization out there is banning words and combinations thereof.</p></blockquote><p>I fear Mr Talslov has faked an Organisation. Unless, of course, you were referring to the FCC Mr. T<br />As celebrated by the inimitable Mr. Eric Idle<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ajZ-5kTXk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ajZ-5kTXk</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:40:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>Solid Paul.</p><blockquote><p>That'd be the weather.</p></blockquote><p>You saw it too! Mon dieu.</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<p>I think we are missing the point that Paul Henry's role is to provoke offence. It brings in the viewers: to have cause for taking offence is part of the entertainment. </p><p>Much as I sympathise with the campaign of protest to advertisers, I doubt its effectiveness and I won't be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:34:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>An "unfortunate" side-effect of bleeping swearing is that it makes everything sound like 'fuck' if you can't see the lips, and if you can it's completely bloody pointless.</p></blockquote><p>You mean like Jimmy Kimmel's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc6w4SzIUN0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Unnecessary Censorship</a>?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:30:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Even that's changing fairly rapidly, when it comes to interviewees swearing. I've heard "shit" on the news several times</p></blockquote><p>An "unfortunate" side-effect of bleeping swearing is that it makes everything sound like 'fuck' if you can't see the lips, and if you can it's completely bloody pointless.</p><p>Still, I did…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I heard them mention that fucker Tane</p></blockquote><p>That'd be the weather.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>News and other shows will often not use certain words. You probably haven't heard many swear words on the 6pm news, and if they're reporting on someone who said it they'll normally bleep it out.</p></blockquote><p>Even that's changing fairly rapidly, when it comes to interviewees swearing. I've heard "shit" on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:21:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have seen Oliver Driver fake an orgasm</p></blockquote><p>You're talking about "snakeskin" right? That <em>was</em> disturbing...</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So even the "worst" word is acceptable in context.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Even these trends change however. When the 'bugger' ad came out the debate about that was on the news (can't remember if the newsreader said it or not). You wouldn't have had that on the news 20 years earlier (or on…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:12:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>News and other shows will often not use certain words. You probably haven't heard many swear words on the 6pm news, and if they're reporting on someone who said it they'll normally bleep it out.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed &mdash; and I don't think I'm the only person who thinks transmitting in prime…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Build a bridge and get over it!!</p></blockquote><p>I believe the correct expression is "build a motorway overpass" and get over it.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But some organization out there is banning words and combinations thereof.</p></blockquote><p>News and other shows will often not use certain words. You probably haven't heard many swear words on the 6pm news, and if they're reporting on someone who said it they'll normally bleep it out.</p><p>Even these trends change…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Really not sure I want to see Oliver Driver fake an orgasm</p></blockquote><p>I have seen Oliver Driver fake an orgasm &mdash; it's the thought of anyone having a real one all over the hallowed boards of the Downstage that creeps me out.  Just remember the wise advice of Mrs. Valerie…</p>
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						<p><em>I'm having a hard time keeping up with when I should be shocked and outraged, and when I should be decrying the PC nanny state. Could someone help me out?</em></p><p>Oh that's a simple one; if it impinges in any way whatsoever on white middle-class heterosexual married folk it is…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not sure what my opinion would be if they faked orgasms,</p></blockquote><p>Really not sure I want to see Oliver Driver fake an orgasm and absolutely certain I don't want to see PH try ... shudder</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was wondering if he had some slightly less catastrophic way of discovering 'marginal personalities', short of unleashing them in a bar or on national TV.</p></blockquote><p>May I humbly suggest staff Christmas parties?  If anything can reveal the "real person", it's half a litre of spiked eggnog and an unattended…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Implying that there's something wrong with people</p></blockquote><p>I believe the word I used was retarded.</p><p>re·tard·ed    (rĭ-tär'dĭd)   <br />adj.  </p><p>   1.</p><p>      Often Offensive Affected with mental retardation.<br />   2.</p><p>      Occurring or developing later than desired or expected; delayed.</p><p>The point I was making was entirely related to;</p><blockquote><p>shifts in community standards.</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't think it took any elaboration to figure out it was a polite euphemism for "their brains and mouths are not always on the best of terms", if not "they'd get beaten up in bars a lot if they weren't on radio".</p></blockquote><p>I was wondering if he had some…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No, it isn't. As I said in the post, I used it on TV myself this year. The BSA doesn't "ban words".</p></blockquote><p>Indeed &mdash; and sorry for not picking up on the point of the post.  Guess I've gotten "desensitised" to the editorial board of the New Zealand Herald having…</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>NatRad was still going on about the Adagio fiasco on Midday Report. There were gasps, apparently, from members of the audience, when the offending words were spoken and the offending orgasm faked.</p></blockquote><p>I was at least impressed they didn't just go to McCoskrie for an easy quote about how awful…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No, it isn't. As I said in the post, I used it on TV myself this year. The BSA doesn't "ban words".</p></blockquote><p>But some organization out there is banning words and combinations thereof.</p><blockquote><p>s. But there was a long post and an even longer discussion about the Prominent Entertainer case…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>weren't you just discussing the use of the word cunt, and isn't that a banned word?</p></blockquote><p>No, it isn't. As I said in the post, I used it on TV myself this year. The BSA doesn't "ban words".</p><blockquote><p>Everything has something to do with everything else. the acceptability of language…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						ok, back to the topic. retarded means slow, isn't it?
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it just doesn't have anything to do with this issue.</p></blockquote><p>What do you think this is? an internet thread or something?<br />Now, to get back on topic. I must go to Bunnings and buy a new spatula for my hotplate.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:21:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>weren't you just discussing the use of the word cunt, and isn't that a banned word?</p><blockquote><p>but it just doesn't have anything to do with this issue.</p></blockquote><p>Everything has something to do with everything else. the acceptability of language useage is on the agenda today, wasn't it?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:19:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>banned words</p></blockquote><p>But the words in one case <em>aren't</em> banned, and the others are a name.</p><p>The story you linked to is interesting in a couple of ways, but it just doesn't have anything to do with this issue.</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						You'd be hard pressed to argue that some words are less banned than others in the context of the two examples, the reference to section 92a is simply an observation of priorities, for those willing to take up a cause. Dick in face or reliable internet?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Sure, we need our internet, we can't have it wantonly disconnected for perceived copyright violations, but if some girl gets a bit of dick in face, we'd rather protect the dickholder and debate offensive words, than put together a few harmless words resulting in offence to one person and one…</blockquote>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sir, both my former teachers and my Google dictionary search say you are mistaken.</p><p>Mostly ...</p></blockquote><p>They're slippery concepts, but I believe what I put up above is the standard explanation to English students. Sometimes you'll hear that alliteration is the repetition of the initial sound of words, regardless of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't think it took any elaboration to figure out it was a polite euphemism for "their brains and mouths are not always on the best of terms", if not "they'd get beaten up in bars a lot if they weren't on radio".</p></blockquote><p>That second one is rather good.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nope, sorry. You're thinking of consonance vs. assonance. Alliteration includes both.</p></blockquote><p>Sir, both my former teachers and <a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=define:+alliteration&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">my Google dictionary search</a> say you are mistaken.</p><p>Mostly ...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did he elaborate what he meant by marginal?</p></blockquote><p>I don't think it took any elaboration to figure out it was a polite euphemism for "their brains and mouths are not always on the best of terms", if not "they'd get beaten up in bars a lot if they weren't on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:08:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why are we expected to spend breakfast looking at presenters?</p></blockquote><p>You're not, you're fully entitled to turn off it and converse with the famille, do the crossword, or listen to the bird song  outside the fenestra. You are expected to eat something.</p><blockquote><p>Unfortunately, on camera, he is sometimes a mean-spirited…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Petra</title>
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						And the ass o' nonce is still Paul Henry.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well to be really picky:</p></blockquote><p>Heh. "Pendant" is an in-joke around these parts ...</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Alliteration includes both.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there you go. Looks like Russell's and my high school english teachers may have both been taught by the same ignorant oaf.</p>
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						<blockquote>Ae, that would work well if an equal platform were provided for rebuttal. Hence our broadcasters have traditionally assumed extra responsibility for reasonable and non-demeaning behaviour in exchange for a license and the megaphone that comes with it. The loose campaign of complaint that got Henry's goat is one way…</blockquote>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>Well to be really picky:</p><blockquote><p>Pendant alert</p></blockquote><p>The pedant dangled from the pendant</p><p><br />from Phil who <em>never</em> makes mistakes</p>
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						(And as we all know the correct technical definition of assonance is "getting the rhyme wrong").
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There were gasps, apparently, from members of the audience, when the offending words were spoken and the offending orgasm faked.</p></blockquote><p>Nah, they were faking offence.<br />If you ain't with em yer agin em!<br />Faking organisms in the ordiance.<br />That ain't alliteration that's just bad spelling.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Pendant alert: if I recall correctly, the headline in Jaquie Brown was itself an example of assonance, not alliteration.</p><p>Alliteration uses repeated consonant, assonance relies on repeated vowel sounds.</p></blockquote><p>Nope, sorry. You're thinking of consonance vs. assonance. Alliteration includes both.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Having appeared on TV with Paul Henry many times, I can confirm the impression that in person he is often funny and charming. Unfortunately, on camera, he is sometimes a mean-spirited bully.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure what your conclusion is Russell. Does that make it OK? Not OK? Not so bad?…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Pendant alert: if I recall correctly, the headline in Jaquie Brown was itself an example of assonance, not alliteration.</p><p>Alliteration uses repeated consonant, assonance relies on repeated vowel sounds.</p></blockquote><p>Quite so, but as a satirical take on a certain Ak. newspaper, an incorrect headline is surely more approprite than a…</p>
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						<p>Say what you like about Henry, but the ease with which he gets under people’s skin is quite something.</p><p>Unlike Laws, say, who works really hard at it.</p>
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						I would probably enjoy breakfast TV more if there was more swearing and fewer degrading remarks from smug presenters. I'm not sure what my opinion would be if they faked orgasms, I'd probably be against it. (see how I merged threads)
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						<blockquote>We're simply required to stand up and take responsibility for what we say. If we say something offensive, we'd best be prepared to be called out on it, and if we're not prepared to explain, we should be prepared to apologise. If we do neither, we should be prepared to…</blockquote>
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						<p>Pendant alert: if I recall correctly, the headline in Jaquie Brown was itself an example of <em>assonance</em>, not alliteration.</p><p>Alliteration uses repeated consonants, assonance relies on repeated vowel sounds.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm minded of what Newstalk's Bill Francis said on Media7 recently about how those in his charge were often "marginal" personalities &mdash; the same thing that made them vulnerable to dreadful lapses of judgement was what made them work on talk radio.</p></blockquote><p>Did he elaborate what he meant by marginal?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But, because it was CYF, the moral outrage that no one actually seems to be expressing is news all over this morning.</p></blockquote><p>I woke up to this at 7 and found the whole report very confusing. If the reporter had wanted to make some kind of point, you'd think she…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm interested that there's been so little discussion of what I fancied were the main points of the post.</p><p>Those being, the Herald's writer's ignorance of how statutory Broadcasting Standards work, and related panic attack about "banned" words that aren't actually banned.</p></blockquote><p>I guess most people see this sort of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:29:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Generally the same ones who insist they're just doing their job when they do it ...</p></blockquote><p>Yes, it goes hand in glove with the boot being on the other foot, as they say in places where people wear their hearts on their sleeves.<br />Mixed message mangling Monday, metaphorically.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:28:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So, watching your vicious blood chilling attacks on the hapless victims of Media7 is just an illusion?</p></blockquote><p>I confess, some people whose work we've critiqued this year are convinced it's personal. Generally the same ones who insist they're just doing their job when <em>they</em> do it ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:18:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Having appeared on TV with Paul Henry many times, I can confirm the impression that in person he is often funny and charming. Unfortunately, on camera, he is sometimes a mean-spirited bully.</p></blockquote><p>You mean the camera lies, damn it, whooda thought.<br />So,  watching your vicious blood chilling attacks on the…</p>
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						Can I encourage us not to refer to American websites for pointers about disability language. They're a bit.. retarded.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm interested that there's been so little discussion of what I fancied were the main points of the post.<br />Those being, the Herald's writer's ignorance of how statutory Broadcasting Standards work, and related panic attack about "banned" words that aren't actually banned.</p></blockquote><p>Dog bites man, I'm afraid.</p>
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						LOL Helen, I vote Henry has to make one of the drums on TV, firstly to show he's not PC, then to show he's not retarded.
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						<p>I'm interested that there's been so little discussion of what I fancied were the main points of the post.</p><p>Those being, the Herald's writer's ignorance of how statutory Broadcasting Standards work, and related panic attack about "banned" words that aren't actually banned.</p><p>Having appeared on TV with Paul Henry many…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I believe morally and emotionally stunted might be an acceptable phrase. For now.</p></blockquote><p>Does 'try-hard' come to mind?</p>
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				<title>Helen  Breeze</title>
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						I believe morally and emotionally stunted might be an acceptable phrase. For now.
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						Paul Henry is a jealous oaf. Susan Boyle was born with some retardation, but she is a beautifully talented singer who is able to bring great joy to millions of people around the world. Paul Henry, on the other hand, is just retarded.
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						<blockquote><p>I'm having a hard time keeping up with when I should be shocked and outraged, and when I should be decrying the PC nanny state. Could someone help me out?</p></blockquote><p>Why, I do believe I can, sir. For any particular issue, simply determine <a href="http://www.tbr.cc/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ian Wishart's</a> position on it, and take…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>From <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/3130663/Paul-or-nothing " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Stuff</a></p><blockquote><p>More than two decades in the limelight have ensured Henry's past has been well documented – from his emigration to England when he was 11, to his poverty as a teen, to his near death experiences as a foreign correspondent.</p></blockquote><p>And that reminded me of this.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, I can live with that.</p></blockquote><p>So relaxed he's horizontal. :)</p>
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						I'd certainly watch that, pollywog. On demand, even.
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						<p>Caught the heavily edited <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/attitude/s2009-e40-video-3197421" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Attitude Awards highlights show</a> last night.  Big ups to the team for listening to suggestions and broadening the focus a bit. Some great contributors.</p><p>Tear in the eye at Robert Martin winning lifetime Hall of Fame recognition. They perhaps understated how significant his contribution has been…</p>
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						Yeah, I can live with that.
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						Thank you 3410, or should I call you Threefer?. I can now un-rack my brain.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:22:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>its henry's chipmunk 2 front teeth i cant get past. just makes anything he says laughable, even more so when he grins like an idiot. much prefer sunrise, though not when ali ikram is on. </p><p>and screw the ratings. i'd like to see a jello wrestling battle of the gay…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I imagine that it would be expensive to break Henry's contract</p></blockquote><p>Given that he's on  a warning since the last episode and there's now a new code of conduct, I wouldn't count on that.  </p><p>Hence the crafted <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/3130663/Paul-or-nothing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pr handjob</a> in the Sunday News  about that good bloke Paul.  Note the…</p>
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						<p><strong>Don Brash to Garth George: You're wrong</strong><br />I, for one, am looking forward to this story getting some legs. Zimmer frames at dawn?. Slightly raised voices muttering in a multisyllabic monotone?. Don Brash defending his report claiming we should fix the fuckups of the previous Nat govt. by doing the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:20:09 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>I imagine that it would be expensive to break Henry's contract, and so TVNZ are stuck with defending him.</p></blockquote><p>I certainly think that was the real reason why the BBC hasn't sacked <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ross#Controversies" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jonathan Ross</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Moyles#Controversies" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Chris Moyles</a>.  It's funny how much easier it is for the BBC to cap a…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I have been wracking my brainz trying to remember where I picked that one up.</p></blockquote><p><em>Ohh, Jaquie</em></p><p>Snap</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I have been wracking my brainz trying to remember where I picked that one up.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.tv3.co.nz/Jaquie-Brown-Diaries-0207/tabid/948/articleID/62256/cat/490/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here</a>.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Nat Rad is still going on Adagio, though I note they've yet to mention any actual people actually complaining.</p><p>They I/V'd Bill Hasting for midday report who explained that (yay!) the only limit on a theatre performance is public indecency.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>That was a particularly funny episode, I thought.</p></blockquote><p>I have been wracking my brainz trying to remember where I picked that one up. It was an enormous and wonderful weekend preceded by a woefully wicked week.<br />Cheers to all who sailed in it, annat.<br />;-)</p>
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						<p>DPF:</p><blockquote><p>I don't even recall the swear word in An Adagio Christmas, and while there was a subtle sensual overtone to parts of it, there was nothing at all x-rated, r-rated or even pg-rated.</p><p>Kids will love the show. It is loads of fun.</p></blockquote><p>If there really weren't any 4-letter words…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The larger question is why any of this is on television in the first place. Why are we expected to spend breakfast looking at presenters? Why not scientists or educators? Or a soap opera?</p></blockquote><p>Precisamundo. The problem is not Paul Henry, loathsome as he is.</p>
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						Thanks Craig and Sam.  I really like what you wrote Sam, and would encourage others to do something similar too :-)
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I imagine that it would be expensive to break Henry's contract, and so TVNZ are stuck with defending him.</p></blockquote><p>They could put him on permanent gardening leave until his contract expires, and write it off as a teachable moment...</p><blockquote><p>OTOH, I don't jump down my kid's throat if he uses…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Rickai</title>
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						<p>I used water as a flame retardant on my out of control BBQ in the weekend.  I felt ok about that usage.</p><p>Henry is a narrow minded right wing thug.  But one that rates way higher than his colleagues at TV3.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>80% of Aucklanders abhor alliteration</p></blockquote><p>That was a particularly funny episode, I thought.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>On the Paul Henry thingy, I've picked up on an idea from PAS's own Craig Ranapia, and got together some info on how people can pressure Breakfast's main advertisers. Please do give it a go</p></blockquote><p>Done &ndash; thanks for providing the addresses and the template email, which I dressed up…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You did indeed and I liked that but you appeared on his show and you were gentle on him. David, I don't know you but you seem to exude kindliness and humanity. So does Pippa Wetzell. Why don't you people just tell him where to get off?</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure David…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't use either term but I don't like the alternatives either. I wouldn't be able to say someone had a learning disability unless I knew what their learning experience actually was.</p></blockquote><p>That has been covered in a great many stories though, and  in the book that Henry was holding…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I imagine that it would be expensive to break Henry's contract, and so TVNZ are stuck with defending him.</p><p>TVNZ put a lot of effort into creating celebrities &mdash; now they have to wear the consequences. Maybe if they invested less in personality cults and more in, you know, journalism…</p></blockquote>
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						Despite the fact that 80% of Aucklanders abhor alliteration I have to say that I find Henry haranguing helpless Highlanders hopelessly horrid. In yesterdays Sunday Star Times there is a picture of Paul looking like a loopy Lupine loony lamely laughing, if it were radio he would be losing loads…
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				<title>Phil Palmer</title>
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						<p><em>I think you'll find that a great many people, especially in the disability sector, find "retard" and "retarded" equally stigmatising.</em></p><p>Yes, that is the official position. But you don't jump down your kids' throat for saying a computer interface is retarded; I'm guessing you would if he said the interface…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I imagine that it would be expensive to break Henry's contract, and so TVNZ are stuck with defending him.</p><p>TVNZ put a lot of effort into creating celebrities &mdash; now they have to wear the consequences. Maybe if they invested less in personality cults and more in, you know, journalism…</p>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I did make the argument that we should mock the powerful, not the vulnerable.</p></blockquote><p>You did indeed and I liked that but you appeared on his show and you were gentle on him. David, I don't know you but you seem to exude kindliness and humanity. So does Pippa Wetzell.…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A user interface might be described as "retarded" &mdash; but never, so far as I can recall, an actual person.</p></blockquote><p>I'm normally a big proponent of focussing on intent &ndash; I hate when people get worked up by a comment when clearly the intent they are inferring wasn't there.<br />But…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You do realise the only thing his employer cares about is ratings and he just guaranteed them a bigger audience.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm... I would have thought this statement was implicit in my comment?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>complete loss of moral compass by his employer</p></blockquote><p>snort</p><p>You do realise the only thing his employer cares about is ratings and he just guaranteed them a bigger audience. he'll probably get a bonus.</p><p>And as for why the ladies on the show tolerate him &ndash; um they are paid…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Unless Paul Henry paraphrased himself at another point in his programme, what he actually said was that Susan Boyle was"retarded", not that she was "a retard". There is a significant difference; the first usage derives from an attempt to express disability in terms of a flawed developmental model, the second…</blockquote>
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				<title>Phil Palmer</title>
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						oops, I see someone has already covered my point about retarded.
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						You know, you can go about Paul Henry all day, but it wouldn't make any difference to him. He is an arrogant and nasty man who feels he is above ever having to say sorry and Christ like in his belief that he is above ever actually regretting anything he…
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				<title>Phil Palmer</title>
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						Unless Paul Henry paraphrased himself at another point in his programme, what he actually said was that Susan Boyle was"retarded", not that she was "a retard". There is a significant difference; the first usage derives from an attempt to express disability in terms of a flawed developmental model, the second…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>One thing, though. It seems to be generally believed that he used the word 'retard'. In fact, I don't believe he did. He mocked the fact that Susan Boyle was 'mildly retarded'. Bad enough, you may well say, but I think we need to get the charge sheet right.</p></blockquote><p>Fair…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks to everyone who contributed to the success of the Orcon Great Blend on Friday night (and I regard just turning up and having a good time as a contribution).</p></blockquote><p>Thanks, yourself &ndash; and others, no doubt &ndash; for organising it.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bad enough, you may well say</p></blockquote><p>.</p><p>Actually, I think it's worse. Slinging the word "retard" around is one thing, actually pointing to someone who has problems and inviting people to laugh at those problems is just nasty. As my mother would have said, he is a nasty little man.</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was disappointed that a smiling David Slack appeared on the programme last week.</p></blockquote><p>I'm disappointed if the impression I conveyed was that I didn't disapprove of what he'd said.  I was trying to provide an opportunity for him to mend bridges. I did make the argument that we should…</p>
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						<p>At bottom, though, the issue with Paul Henry isn't his choice of words, but the attitude he expresses with them.</p><p>He could use the most decorous language possible, but he'd still be a sneering eejit who goes for the cheap laughs &mdash; just less oafish and more polished.</p><p>It's as…</p>
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						On the Paul Henry thingy, I've picked up on an idea from PAS's own Craig Ranapia, and got together some info on <a href="http://thehandmirror.blogspot.com/2009/12/paul-henry-must-change-or-go.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">how people can pressure Breakfast's main advertisers.</a>  Please do give it a go, if you too are concerned about Henry's behaviour, it will only take you about two…
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						<p>I don't even recall the swear word in An Adagio Christmas, and while there was a subtle sensual overtone to parts of it, there was nothing at all x-rated, r-rated or even pg-rated.</p><p>Kids will love the show. It is loads of fun.</p>
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						<p>Henry called one of Tiger Woods' alleged sexual partners a "cheap ... slapper" today. I think Pippa Wetzell demurred but why oh why didn't she remonstrate with him more strongly and why do she and Alison Mau sit there and smile through his insults.</p><p>I quite enjoy the dynamics of…</p>
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						<p>The Downstage item led EVERY bulletin on Morning Report from 6:00 onwards &ndash; more of a beat-up over nothing I haven't seen in a long time. One F-word, one "bullshit", one "slapstick-style simulated orgasm" (whatever the hell THAT is) in an hour-long performance. </p><p>They interviewed the Director of CYS who'd…</p>
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						<p>I'm having a hard time keeping up with when I should be shocked and outraged, and when I should be decrying the PC nanny state.  Could someone help me out?</p><p>Also, via <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=30783" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Balloon Juice</a>, here's another way <a href="http://standforchristmas.com/pages/home" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">people can make idiots of themselves</a>.  Mark my words, it's only a matter…</p>
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