If everyone would just adopt this, my world would be a happier place. Thank you.

+1

And BTW nzlemming, thanks for the great magnet story. :-)

I thought 'huh, I'll just take a quick look. Can't be that compelling'. How wrong was I?

I *like* the idea of a CGT – it’s been too long a-coming. And I am very glad…

/threadmerge

I would say that putting money away in property as a form of saving has proved to be quite profitable over the…

Tautology, surely. ;-)

You're also not taking compounding interest into account. People who…

And they would have to be substantial ones at that.
Inflation might help but then the million will be worth less. In fact....
If you were on the average wage, here…

And when that doesn't work, I usually resort to my 'Mad Comic' face. Laughing children seem to require less cajoling.

I have a friend whose 4-year-old can be got to do all manner of tasks (unloading the dishwasher, making her bed, picking salad greens for dinner, etc.) by…

IME, they don't, unless you pay them the minimum hourly wage of two lollipops, free access to TV and Nintendo and Icecream on both weekend days. And that's just to finish their breakfast. You want them to put their clothes away and make their beds, you'll…

how do they work?

Beware children generally. Evil things in deceptive packaging.

Damn those pesky kids and their magnets!

Beware children bearing gifts.

She was a preschool teacher who had been gifted them by a small child

You forgot The Cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpJQWGA1O8s

My apartment has appliances that are either aluminum anodised to look like stainless steel, or an austenitic steel that isn't magnetic, due to nickel content.

So fridge magnets don't work (bit like fridge magnates, who spend their time…

Just out of curiosity, why was she routinely carrying around refrigerator magnets? Where they the flat adware ones that she handed out as promotional items?

I'll stick to dishwashers. Thanks for the tip about magnets. Separate the bloody knives, forks and spoons into their separate cubbyholes so that the d/washer emptier has an easier life FY.

I'm privileged. I'm alive. I do try and let…

(Do /nt ask us locals about happens with reguard to a largish eel or especially feathery leetle birds.)

Those are our fun memories.

We'd share them if you live here.

I'm sure you have city memories too.

I do know that we'd love to share that kind…

And use matching pegs for each pair? I know it could be considered obsessive…!

Would a quick shower suffice? Or quick drenching with the garden hose?

It's important to separate out your darks. Or everything becomes just shades of grey.

Please, by all the holy socks, don't. If it's a Lucas effort, there'll be endless witterings about him being The One Who Will Bring Balance to the Load.

I think I may have told this story before but, in a different life, I worked for PostBank (in the days when New Zealanders still owned it) in IT. We established this new-fangled telephone banking service…

So by now you must have become legion, and the natural progression from there is a George Lucas film, right?

Yes, it…

servitude till the motherboard blows.... Did I mean to say that

Are you prepared to learn from this thread, if not then the chances of you being a dick go way way up, and the chances of someone shutting you down with privilege, mansprain, tone go way way up.

But you can…

What makes me nervous is…

I started this religion four hours ago and I'm already having to raise an army and interview for inquisitors. Do you have any idea…

Yup. i used to have a ponytail...

They'll probably even have their own blog. Public Laundress, or something.

My mother's arrived the month my sister and I left home. Mine appeared when I could afford to pay over $150 a week in rent.

We bought our first front-loader from the Warhouse when they stocked AEG (oh the privilege, it burns). It was used every day for 15 years, give or take, and then we replaced it, when the motherboard failed,…

Front-loaders generally do take longer to run and while it's running you can't add items. To make the best use of them requires a well thought out washing strategy. However, you will be rewarded with lower power…

How can you call yourself privileged?

No you just randomised the conversation direction. Which is one of the things I love most about conversations. And since this has become a conversation about conversations ...

And I really want a new dishwasher (just because, ok) but after 20 years…

That all depends if he has one of these. Otherwise I wouldn't be dissing the dishwasher when it tells you where to stick your forks.

If I'm being finicky, I'll pick them up with a teatowel, but usually I just wash my hands first. I've lost my taste for gloves, unless doing a large number by hand. I found that my skin was actually worse from the extensive washing I had…

I dunno, it seems to be very assiduous at not allowing, by inaction, any harm to come to its user.

Connery, elbow-deep in suds

Not to get all daytime TV host on you, but shouldn't you be laying down some rules and asserting yourself with this dishwasher? It is but a piece of household whiteware, and you shouldn't be letting it get all normative with…

Just imagine how happy they would be if you were pounding your washing on a…

I initially assumed that Nokia had jumped on the iPad bandwagon.

Me too!

Don't you wear gloves?

Q. Is it trolling when you're on page (checks) 15 of a thread talking about domestic appliances?

ETA: Checks again. 16.

I misread that and thought for a moment we were talking about Juha Saarinen.

/not that sort of "Finnish"

sake.

God, Russell, I am so sorry – I have managed to jack this thread AGAIN. (I really didn't mean to, this time.)

In our dishwasher, and with our forks, any forks packed tines-down have a slight chance of dropping down through the bottom of the basket and preventing the bottom spray head from rotating correctly. So we're tines…

I've hated every front loader I've ever tried to use.

Are they really better?

The basic idea is that they use less water + are gentler on the clothes. As a bonus, ours provided several weeks of entertainment for our children when it was new – they would happily lie in front of it for a whole cycle,…

Although. My mother just moved into a house with one supplied and has decided she'll need to get up every night at 3am just to get one load finished in time to hang it out the next day.

Not if you don't put more than four or five in any compartment. More than that and that does become a problem.

Same.

That fancy Latin education won’t do you any favours with Our Lord of the Finish Tablet, Tiso.

Front-loaders FTW!

But isn't it in fact literally what patronising means?

This is why I think it's useful over and above 'patronising'. It specifically indicates…

I think I found my first Pope.

Ah, so that's why white men can't dance. Too privileged.

But then don't your spoons all clump together, preventing the water getting in to wash them?

It's a priori evident from your lack of a tangible dishwasher...

What I do which…

Oi! What depravity?

Or more saved.

Everyone has a dishwasher, it's just one effect of your general depravity that yours has failed to become manifest in the physical world.

"Lapsed" is the term, I believe. Or "non-practising".

That's going on a t-shirt.

20 lashes of the bottle brush

You can worship but not washup

It’s the only reasonable approach. Dishwasher safety experts agree.

(I am so glad I finally got to use that link in a discussion. I’ve been waiting for over a year!)

Burn the heretic!

I don't have a dishwasher. Will I be cast out?

They mainly concern the pre-wash rinse and where to put the glasses. It's going to be essentially a dishwasher-based religion.

And the first two are?

I'm torn. My flatmate once failed to show the appropriate sympathy for my cut finger, pointing out that I had left the knives sticking up in the first place; but years of anecdata suggests that the…

Well played, Sir.

Does everyone else pack the cutlery tine-side down, or is that just my paranoia?

Surely – otherwise won't you just cut yourself/make the important bits dirty when you unpack it?

Does everyone else pack the cutlery tine-side down, or is that just my paranoia?

It's spelled "1337".

Everywhere. Really you don't want to get me started – again. (Clearly I was remembering the wrong conversation. Heh.)

I'm sure there is, but what about a dish-drawer?

F&P: Pwning privilege since ages ago.

Incidentally, also just encountered the term 'leetspeak'. My schooling is going nicely today, thank you.

OMGWTF, there are people who don't rinse after washing????

I sometimes forget that. I sent you a shy little email inviting you for a drink when you were next in Wellington. I…

Which must be on that nice couch. :-)

Ah, I linked to the wrong thread, but it was.

Yeah, me too. But as this is a discussion about discussions, we actually haven't even gone off topic. But yeah, sometimes we get carried away and forget about the people who aren't talking. But on…

I hear you, brother.

See I missed out on that, having given up early on the thread in question; but when Megan mentioned it I just assumed it would have been about manual dishwashing, because AFAIC there's only one way to…

Anybody with a dishwasher can take part in that conversation, though (dishwasher privilege!). Sometimes we do objectively talk amongst ourselves, though, which is not the same thing.

I dunno, I've seen threads come back from the dead. God, in the middle of the thread about [[http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/a-few-more-words-on-the-hobbit/|The Hobbit…

But I fully-on-purpose didn't say anything!

No, it's not a bad thing per se, but it marks the point at which anyone else who wants to contribute is likely to conclude that the ship has sailed.

Is this a bad thing though? It looks like friendship in action, from where I'm sitting.

Well played.

Not sayin' anything, just sayin' :-)

But as we discussed last night, I will only do things for your own good. Which reminds me, aren't you meant to be on the couch right about now?

Want to find yourself in a situation where Megan has pretty much unbridled power over you? Ask me how!

Clearly this must be stopped.

It's also worth noting that the sample was registered and Strummer and The Clash got their share as composers.

As a great man once said... I corrected it in under 30 seconds, thought I was going to get away with it.

W00t! This is fun! Course, certain people would never speak to me again on the basis of our emails/texts, so I shall wield this power carefully.

Goddammit.

Megan is lovely. Believe everything she says.

How far down that road do you want to go, my love?

Oh, that is NOT what I heard...

I’m not dissing anything, just arguing that a) M.I.A. is alive and well and b) the last thing you could say of our culture is that it produces too few mashups.…

There is that.

If you are going to dis M.I.A. I will FIGHT you with my giant handbags. You have been warned.

Not at all. It was my cunning plan all along ...

Oh, puh- lease!

Every post of Emma's makes me learn another 5 terms, some of which I have to try very hard to unlearn ("I can't be knowin' that!"). Of course you get really caught out when you know the exact meaning of a word like cis* and…

Not meaning to boast, but I remembered enough 6th-form chemistry that the first time I saw the term "cis" in this kind of context I k̶n̶e̶w̶ correctly guessed what it meant; and I've found it a…

Yeah, but it's surprising how often people see their keyboards as an excuse to abdicate that particular responsibility.

Doesn't that just come under the general heading of "don't be a dick"?

I suspect that one of the problems with many of the terms which get used in any form of specialised discourse (privilege being the currently relevant but far…

Borgism! Thank you Craig, that is wonderful. Your word will be assimilated.

Guilty feet ain't got no rhythm.... :-)

[sorry, Bart!]

And the masterclass in that particular form of arseholism is what I like to call Borgism: “Good” members…

Umm, yeah, I found that. That would have been the perfect opportunity for this, which is another form of 'schooling'*, although way funnier than most.

Out of context. Apart from the 'How to make a dick of yourself' advice above.

ETA: I really do wish you could fix…

Sure, but having said that, we get pretty bored…

I have to say that i find the division of discussion between 101 and not 101…

We're getting covers, nothing but covers all the time, under the current supposedly inhibitory rules. Really the idea that our culture doesn't produce enough mashups is hard to credit.

As have I, on a number of occasions. And it took, as you say, kindly teachers to point out where I was going wrong. This is why…

I regret to…

Pffft, you’re just showing your perfect-english-speaking privilege.

(Sorry. I am slightly punch-drunk)

Well that's a shame. We would surely have missed out on M.I.A.'s excellent "Paper Planes" under your rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS7ibAUfwSI&feature=related

And the thing is, being "called out" sucks, but…

Actually, the root is exactly the same. I see no reason to be confused.

See Cisgender. The concept seems clear enough, but the recent unpleasantness…