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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						<p>"If we were a bit more grown-up, there would be, as an earlier commenter said, specific ESR-sourced warnings about specific adulterated pills. That would be the public safety thing to do."</p><p>That would be assuming that the police were there to promote public safety and harm reduction &ndash; which based…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:02:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The interreactions of these chemicals with each other is completely unpredictable. In the past NZ ecstasy has largely been moderate dose MDMA.</p><p>What we should have got was a warning of a "Bad E" trend, like the bad acid warning in the woodstock movie, but we got this interference when…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:49:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Bowden</title>
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						<p>Let's be really clear about what happened here.</p><p>The police seize street ecstasy pills and ESR test them.</p><p>The police put out <a href="http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/2870.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a statement</a> saying:</p><blockquote><p>Recent tests have revealed that pills submitted for analysis as suspected MDMA (commonly referred to as "ecstasy") have been found to contain other illicit drugs…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:35:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you want quality and strict measurements then you buy a retail product that is labelled. That is no reason to criminalise those of us who prefer to purchase it in other ways.</p></blockquote><p>I guess so, but given that random dosage from cowboy operators seems to be the cause of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:44:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						<p>"At the moment, you can sell the stuff by the gram in dairies and I don't think that's optimal."</p><p>I currently purchase my BZP legally by the gram (not from dairies however).  And its the only way I can actually consume it (I gag on pills of any type, I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:36:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Regulating BZP won't stop E from containing BZP ...</p></blockquote><p>But it will prevent the surprise-package dosages of BZP that seem to have been an issue in Christchurch. When some kid necks a freelance party pill that turns out to be five times stronger than the next one is when you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:14:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>Who needs drugs when the Black Caps are producing such euphoria in me! There's nothing like the high from seeing Australia beaten. 3 times in a row. 10 wicket wins. Chasing down record totals.</p><p>:-P</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:30:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						I fucking hate spikers. They're up there with murderers and rapists, breaking the courtesy of consent. The greater harm these days lies not in the individual substances, but polydrug lotto. The Misuse of Drugs Act needs to be completely rewritten to properly mitigate the greater harms of inferior or dodgy…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:22:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						<p>The irresponsible journalism is driving me nuts regarding BZP &ndash; I've been covering a fair bit of it lately in my site, though was hoping not to as I don't want to be seen as  apill crazed munter &ndash; just someone who cares abour personal freedom and civil liberties:</p><p>A…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:00:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I'd fully believe that someone making E's would choose to cut them with BZP &ndash; cheap (especially in quantity) available and reasonably psychoactive. Especially in NZ where MDMA and it's precursors are expensive. People use all sorts of things to cut illegal drugs &ndash; should we control the sale of…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:13:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ed Muzik</title>
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						<p>Hey all,</p><p>I'm surprise that this BZP thing still keeps being a story, and one that keeps escalating, with more media heat being applied. I wrote this song <a href="http://download.yousendit.com/948709FF5AF9DF52" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BZP</a> almost two years ago, and nothing much has changed since then. It's still a storm in a pee cup.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:52:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>jon_knox</title>
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						<p>As this thread seems to be about the media as much as the drugs, here's a couple of links from the Independent yesterday about prescribing heroin.</p><p>One focuses on <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2283951.ece" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> the crime impact.</a>   (This was yesterday's front page story).</p><blockquote><p>Heroin addicts commit on average 432 crimes a year, costing a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:07:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>I don't believe this. Party Pills should be regulated more stringently, not labelled Class C and prohibited, which will make adulteration easier, not more difficult. </p><p>And meanwhile, we learn that there were 218 P lab busts next year. Hello? P is a Class A drug, and deservedly so. Why are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:51:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I really can't imagine an X+BZP mixture is more dangerous than the standard X+Speed or X+P that we're used to. What exactly is the issue here? "Drug dealers are dishonest"?</p></blockquote><p>The stuff on Pill Reports suggests that there's some weirder things going into pills across the Tasman, including 2CB (alright…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's a fairly fundamental part of the story to get wrong.</p></blockquote><p>And they had to ignore the opening line of the police press release to do it.</p><blockquote><p>I only caught the end of the interview with the ESR guy on National yesterday afternoon, so didn't pick up on the actual…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:47:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kit McLean</title>
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						That's a fairly fundamental part of the story to get wrong.  I only caught the end of the interview with the ESR guy on National yesterday afternoon, so didn't pick up on the actual story.  I was really struggling to understand why someone would put an expensive illegal substance into…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:35:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Bartlett</title>
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						<p>And now a message from the target demographic:</p><p>This 'X cut with BZP' notion has a loud ring of truth about it. Right now in Wellington there is <em>a lot</em> of X around, but it is cheap X, and it has a shitty BZP-like comedown. But I'm not convinced that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:10:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Kicks himself hard...don't get involved in drug debates...repeat to self.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cutting illegal substances with BZP to up the profits, that I can believe.</p></blockquote><p>Of course. The newspapers, whether wilfully or not, just got it arse-about.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I suspect that the best option is to make (relatively) safe ecstasy available via pharmacies. Getting high-quality ecstasy from a known supplier would likely result in a collapse of the P market (as well as that of the less-than-great BZPs) and probably a drop in alcohol-related crime.</p></blockquote><p>I suspect that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:16:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Hmmm ... I went and had a look at <a href="http://www.pillreports.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pill Reports</a> and the Aust-NZ section seems to have a strikingly high number of adulterated pills listed. They're all Australian reports, but it would be reasonable to assume some of the bad pills are making it over here.</p><p>Case in point:…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:12:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quite. Meanwhile we appear to losing our war on drugs</p></blockquote><p>Short of universal, compulsory, and frequent blood tests, the authorities will never realise their wetdream of a pharmacologically compliant society.</p><p>With regards ecstasy, methamphetamine, LSD and the like, it's less of a War on Drugs and more of a War…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:02:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sarah Flynn</title>
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						<p>As a child of the hippie generation I got sound advice from my mum on the subject of drug-taking: DON'T EVER purchase or consume miscellaneous crap from people you don't know &amp; trust (definitely including dodgy street vendors) &ndash; not every high is a good high, etc etc.  </p><p>As it turns…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:51:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It would make pefect criminal sense to make up some shit, put it in packaging that makes it look like a legal product, and bang &ndash; whole new market.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that makes sense, but including in that shit mdme &amp; speed would be as sensible as the last drug rumour -…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:50:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Quite. Meanwhile we appear to losing our war on drugs,<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10424849" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10424849</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:33:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nic.wise</title>
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						<blockquote><p>parents object to pot as much because it's smoking as because it's drugs, and they favour a public health approach over a criminal justice approach.</p></blockquote><p>And of course, we can't have little Jonny going to jail for smoking a bit of weed, can we &ndash; 'cos "we" (the parents) did…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:32:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>John &ndash; very unimpressed with that story &ndash; was surprised to see you run something like that.</p></blockquote><p>I think they put themselves in a risky position when they went with a story focusing on a staff member.</p><p>It's very hard to turn around and contradict someone in a position like…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:29:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Lost in all this is the public's health. For Gods sake, if a bung pill is out there then just fucking tell people. The police have a duty to tell the community the colour, name, and general description of any pill that has hurt or killed anyone.</p></blockquote><p>Quite right. I…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I thought it was a case of pills being palmed of as legal are in fact being made with all sorts of legal and illegal crap in them? It wouldn't surprise me if this was the case &ndash; the profit margins in this business are huge. It would make pefect…
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						Does John C get to decide what runs?
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				<title>Ross Bell</title>
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						<p>So we can expect an increase in productivity (at least in the short-term) from Australian miners.</p><p>Will <em>Campbell Live</em> followup their recent story* on the party pill coma if new evidence comes out about what was consumed by the 23 years old (and son of a TV3 staffer).  If so,…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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