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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, I've had a few interesting discussions there. It's good to occasionally engage with people who utterly disagree with you on almost everything.</p></blockquote><p>Yup, although I draw the line on them disagreeing about the value of using rationality and courtesy.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks for the link, Deborah.</p></blockquote><p>Its from <a href="http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Butterflies and Wheels</a>, my favourite aggregator site.  I recommend it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:22:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What if I'm both bored and masochistic?</p></blockquote><p>Ever seen <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_jourl" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Belle de Jour</em></a>, Ryan?  You're way hotter than Catherine Deneuve, though you're going to have to work on the whole Gallic ice queen/lesbian icon look. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:04:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What if I'm both bored and masochistic?</p></blockquote><p>Ever seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_jourl|__Belle de Jour]], Ryan?  You're way hotter than Catherine Deneuve. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:02:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ryan Sproull</title>
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						Well, I've had a few interesting discussions there. It's good to occasionally engage with people who utterly disagree with you on almost everything.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:12:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Ryan, you are! But trolling Wishart is very tempting, I can see that.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:58:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ryan Sproull</title>
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						What if I'm both bored and masochistic?
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				<title>Mark</title>
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						"Tamihere's support coming, as you might expect, from angry conservatives." I read through all the comments and couldn't see any support from "angry conservatives".
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:35:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Unless you're just doing it because you're bored, he's not actually worth arguing with, because when confronted with his own fabrication or foolishness, he simply convinces himself of the next thing.</p></blockquote><p>My experience was that he doesn't argue at all. He just makes personal attacks. That's in his works and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:30:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						*swoon* I would so turn straight for that woman...  and what a delightfully eloquent and thoughtful  symposium &ndash; not least for the mutually respectful and civil tone when differences arose.  Thanks for the link, Deborah.
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						You might enjoy <a href="http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={80D0BF73-5861-4B31-968E-98F0F9E81317}" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> article, Craig.  it's a conversation with Deborah Lipstadt and a couple of other people, on Holocaust denial.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:02:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Must not bitch</p></blockquote><p>Wellington was hopelessly spoiled &ndash; they cancelled the non-Ian Seagull for and extra Ian Lear. </p><p>I keep thinking I should write them up even after all this time. Anyway, I don't think you'll be disappointed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:01:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Lyndon:</p><p>Yes &ndash; the academic and profile in courage for standing up to the bully-boy libel action of David Irving.  My only excuse is that it's Friday afternoon, and my brain is already powering down until the RSC's <em>Seagull</em> on Sunday.  Without Ian McKellen, but never mind: Chekhov, one of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:41:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:17:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252067/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Deborah Eisendtadt</a> </blockquote>Lipstadt?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:07:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Craig &ndash; you've seen the Tom Scott cartoon in today's Dom? Hodgson asking "And where were you on the night of the Crewe murders Mr Key?"</p><p>Gold.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:00:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						Oh god (intentionally lower case), I've just spent some time reading the comments on Wishart's blog, and followed a few links, and I just keep getting reminded on why I generally keep away from the political blogosphere: I just end up feeling slightly ill. Then I found my way to…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						BTW, when it comes to 'somewhat more characterful choices' for Mayor, I hope Pete Hodgson will quit Parliament and throw down for the Dunedin mayoralty in 2010.  His performances on Morning Report the last couple of days have been pure comedy gold &ndash; like a hairy Vicky Pollard.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:34:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Unless you're just doing it because you're bored</p></blockquote><p>Or masochistic, don't forget that Russell. (Hope the foot's feeling a lot better, BTW.)  Seriously, without triggering Godwin's Law myself, I revere Deborah Eisendtadt for spending her professional life trying to rationally deal with the fundamentally irrational (and pathological deceptive) world of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:30:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Elisis Livingstone scares me. <br />She talks about some people having more than a double helix(maybe 12) and they were the closest to the people from Atlantis. This is the same shit the Nazis talked about. Their specially empowered people were Aryans. Once they combined with a cult of science, well…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:18:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mayors don't have any real power unless affiliated with a group that has the majority of seats on council</p></blockquote><p>Why is it that we have a separate vote for mayor? Why not just elect ourselves a council, and let them pick their own leader from amongst themselves. <br />It seems to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:55:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ian Wishart |is discussing the reviews over at his blog (which is unmissable, btw).</p></blockquote><p>Ian's response to Ryan Sproull busting him on his patching together of three different quotes into something Marx never said is <em>classic</em> Wishart.</p><p>He just ignores the problem, sighs that people are such fools, and launches…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:46:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>Tamihere had a few right-wing slogans ... but, it seemed, little or nothing in the way of actual policy.</blockquote>As I said on another thread earlier this week, and as John Campbell pointed out last night: Mayors don't have any real power unless affiliated with a group that has the majority…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:42:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Science is the poetry of reality," it feels as if he wants not so much a world free of superstition as a world free of metaphor.</p></blockquote><p>Seen Il Postinio?<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino</a></p><p>Nona (to Priest): That poet, he is seducing my niece with metaphor!</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>I haven't seen the Dawkins programme but I have seen the photo of one of the faith healers, Elisis Livingstone, in the Telegraph</p><p>Made my day.</em></p><p>Her quote defending her track record is rather amusing: "I have a 100 per cent success record with people at some level"</p><p>Doesn't that…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hell, at least they would be somewhat more characterful choices than yucky old John Banks and boring old Dick Hubbard.</p></blockquote><p>It could be worse: you could be in Wellington. Apart from the deeply divisive Kerry P, we've got a self-appointed "man about town" who'd probably make Kerry look like Sue…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>I haven't seen the Dawkins programme but I have seen the photo of one of the faith healers, Elisis Livingstone, in the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/05/newage105.xml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Telegraph</a></p><p>Made my day.</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Conan isn't real.? Ian is Nietzsche?<br />I had to stop there, head exploded.</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						Ian Wishart <a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2007/08/but-its-not-jus.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">|is discussing the reviews over at his blog</a> (which is unmissable, btw).
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:41:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Herald readers seem highly polarised on the issue, with Tamihere's support coming, as you might expect, from angry conservatives.</p></blockquote><p>Has John changed sides or have I missed something?  I know he is standing against Bob Harvey but does that make him a non person like John Key?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:06:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						"we've all had a gutsful of regulation all over us" was precisely the point at which we started watched <em>The Crowd Goes Wild</em>.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hell, at least they would be somewhat more characterful choices than yucky old John Banks and boring old Dick Hubbard.</p></blockquote><p>That seems to form the bulk of our thinking about Mayors. That's the only reason yucky old Banks got in I think, he's a character, even if that character is…</p>
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				<title>Leigh Kennaway</title>
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						Talkback &ndash; the new local government method of Binding Citizen-Initiated Referenda?!?!?!
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Do either of them really have the substance for the job?</p></blockquote><p>More to the point, how the hell would you know if they did?</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Hell, at least they would be somewhat more characterful choices than yucky old John Banks and boring old Dick Hubbard. As for the rest of the candidates, Steve Crow, eww and I've never even heard of the rest of them. Bugger. Another mayoral election where you have to vote for…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Do either of them really have the substance for the job?</p></blockquote><p>Willy &amp; John would make excellent mayors of Invercargill.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						The jury's still out for me on Richard Dawkins. He's obviously a very adept thinker, but often gets bogged down in petty complaints that mar his good logic. Much like Ian Wishart? For example, in his book "The God Delusion" he quotes C.S.Lewis on Lewis' view about God and then…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						LOL at Wishart, Godwin's Law personified. I do find it interesting that there is a cretin market out there that wants to put him on the bestseller list. Someone's gotta take the cretin money I suppose. And to use his reasoning method: Mein Kampf and Das Kapital are also bestsellers.…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:11:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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