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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I aren't as skilled at this here interweb as some but would be interested to know what the origin was of of this entry at Wikipedia on the page about the vile Jack Abramoff</p><p>    The scandal is known for being completely blown out of proportion by Democrats and the media…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:04:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>French rugby seems controversial too, it's all about...<br /><a href="http://www.wikirage.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.wikirage.com/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:50:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>hamishm</title>
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						<p>I aren't as skilled at this here interweb as some but would be interested to know what the origin was of  of this entry at Wikipedia on the page about the vile Jack Abramoff</p><blockquote><p>The scandal is known for being completely blown out of proportion by Democrats and the media…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:37:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>Today <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10459787" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Herald reports</a> that someone from the Ministry of Justice has been editing Wikipedia articles:</p><blockquote><p>Another two edits added information to an article about English band Echo &amp; the Bunnymen.</p></blockquote><p>This is not news-worthy. This is normal use of Wikipedia. Good on this MoJ employee for contributing.</p><p>If someone ever ran…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:22:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tony Christie</title>
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						<p>Looks like the Howard gov't in Australia have learned from their YouTube experience, and are now spreading the love to Wikipedia:<br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2tjt9u" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://tinyurl.com/2tjt9u</a></p><p>Particularly scary, though not surprising:<br />"WikiScanner also identifies employees of another department, Defence, as the most prolific Wikipedia contributors in Australia."</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:39:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>The idea of creating your own reality has got Michael Laws thinking.<br />With his prohibition of gang insignia local bill. </p><p>Not only can this be extended to any sign or symbol &ndash; so the Rotarians &amp; Masons are screwed. Sign &amp; symbol extend to, tatoos, handshakes, gestures &amp; colours- red hoodies etc.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:39:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Squee! Also, anyone want to post a link to Stephen Colbert editing his own wikipedia entry live on air?</p></blockquote><p>The elephants one?</p><p><a href="http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/08/wikiality.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/08/wikiality.html</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:01:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Crazy? Yes! Dumb? No! Pikelets? FUCK YEH BRAH!</p></blockquote><p>Squee! Also, anyone want to post a link to Stephen Colbert editing his own wikipedia entry live on air?</p><blockquote><p>What they should do is get someone to build a non-Wikipedia page with the Wiki code and let people go wild there. Then…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:29:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Sorry to be an old stick-in-the-mud, but you don't own your Wikipedia entry. If the Mint Chicks can get people to mess with their entry, then can Exxon Mobil hire people to do the same thing?</p><p>That said, it's all there in the history and some of it <em>is</em> bloody…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:29:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>Oh, good old Wikipedia. But the subverted version can be viewed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Mint_Chicks&amp;oldid=152661860" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">in the Wikipedia history</a>.</p><p>And the incident itself has been added to the Mint Chicks' Wikipedia entry, which is nice.</p><p>(I'm a little annoyed that I found out about it too late to change their discography to include "Pluck the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:14:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						Yeah I thought that was pretty funny too.  Naughty, naughty vandals interfering with the holy wiki.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:23:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The page now has a hilariously stern Wikipedia warning stating "the factual accuracy of this article is disputed."</p></blockquote><p>Wow, now someone's reverted &amp; protected the article.  AND they berated everyone, including the band, for vandalism, &amp; attempting to "compromise the integrity of wikipedia". Hahahahaha!</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:19:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>On the other side of Wikipedia mayhem, yesterday Ruban from the Mint Chicks commanded fans to rewrite their Wikipedia entry "with opinionated, objective, surreal crap".</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mint_Chicks" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Chaos ensued</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Forming in petrie dishes, they began by playing lesbian punk house parties and low profile shows (for which they were paid with extended…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:55:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Home theatre with all the bells and whistles, and screw what it's doing to the balance of trade!     Just get off your arses and participate, that's all I'm saying &ndash; because by international standards, it's absurdly easy to do so in New Zealand.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:24:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Span .</title>
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						<p>Oh dear, are we going <em>there</em> again?  </p><p>What ever happened to the days of theatre-ing a thread?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:42:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And IMNSHO, the turnout three years ago &ndash; and the issues around counting the votes in some parts of the country &ndash; doesn't give New Zealanders a great purchase on the moral high ground to patronise the Yanks.</p></blockquote><p>Well, IMNSHO, the difference there is, while our most recent local body…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:36:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>After all, every state in America suffers internationally because Florida couldn't count chads. Them's the breaks.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, Kyle, just as my blood pressure suffers when people who can't be bothered voting in local body elections (which hardly requires standing in line for hours on end on a winter weekday) spend…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>All too typical, unfortunately, especially on any story that involves a modicum of technical understanding. It's still shitty. I'm sure The Press would be unhappy if I took one of its stories and presented it as my own.</p></blockquote><p>And just to get really weird, back when I was blogging for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:44:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kyle I think the good people of Manukau and Waitakere cities, and parts of Franklin district, may have issues with you cutting them off along with Auckland City if you dig at Drury. Severing the bridges at Mangere and Pakuranga would be more effectively targeted at Banks ;-)</p></blockquote><p>I'm with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:17:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>The Air NZ wikipedia story is front page on The Press, but with no credit to Rob for finding it. Aint it funny that at the recent Journalism Matters conference, the journos in attendence were moaning about how bloggers never do any decent research, and then they rip off bloggers…</blockquote>
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				<title>peter mclennan</title>
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						<p>Hey Russell<br />The Air NZ wikipedia story is front page on The Press, but with no credit to Rob for finding it. Aint it funny that at the recent Journalism Matters conference, the journos in attendence were moaning about how bloggers never do any decent research, and then they rip…</p>
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				<title>Spinner</title>
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						MY vote goes to Scruff!!!!
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:36:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Karla Hill</title>
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						I saw your mention of the Salon article on the US sub-prime mortgage market. I found today's business blog on BBC Liar's Loans a really useful dumbie's guide and synthesis  on how it all works &ndash; from the American mortgage brokers at the bottom to the big banks and ratings…
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<blockquote>Someone at Air New Zealand has excised chunks of the Wikipedia article on Flight 901 to Erebus, and at least two people from an IP address range associated with Telecom have removed text critical of Telecom or Xtra. But it would be wise not to go off the deep end…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:12:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>robbery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Rough Streets of Compton LA err I mean Christchurch.</p></blockquote><p>it was a 750 ml coke bottle with dry ice inside it. thats only just one step up from shaking up a bottle and leaving it for some unsuspecting person to open. then the headlines would be "cleaner got coke…</p>
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				<title>Leigh Kennaway</title>
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						<p><em>Or that age limit of being under 50yrs and therefore don't give a crap about the biddies on council (&amp; doesn't AKL have a few councils) expressing our true apathy to local politics</em></p><p>We lefties in <em>City Vision/Labour</em> have a dozen or more candidates aiming for Council, various Community Boards and…</p>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>"Ross says the Mongrel Mob didn’t seem to care about being caught, with prison no deterrent.</p><p>“Going to prison is not a downside for the gang. Other than the fact they can’t be with their families, they have simply changed addresses, from Wilsons Road to Paparua Prison,” he says.<br />Detective…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>It is a mega bummer. You should have sold up your stocks before you locked in your property bid. During that brief time you were massively exposed. But live and learn.</p><p>Stocks will make a comeback, as will property. You just won't know when, until it happens. I'm personally thinking…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>But yes, long term is the ONLY way to look at serious investments.</blockquote>Which is how I looked at it. I started 5 years ago when Cullen started making all his noise about <em>property=bad , shares=good.</em>  And whilst I know 5 years is not a long time it's still a MEGA…
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Severing the bridges at Mangere and Pakuranga would be more effectively targeted at Banks</p></blockquote><p>Lets do it, blow up the bridges and build a wall. <br />Then the rest of the country can send its dregs and criminals there for safekeeping (a bit like chch now). </p><p>After a while we might…</p>
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				<title>Span .</title>
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						Kyle I think the good people of Manukau and Waitakere cities, and parts of Franklin district, may have issues with you cutting them off along with Auckland City if you dig at Drury.  Severing the bridges at Mangere and Pakuranga would be more effectively targeted at Banks ;-)
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nice. Its prolly better to look at the housing market and share markets in the long run terms.</p></blockquote><p>For sure, although that doesn't stop a loss now hurting like a bitch, or a big win feeling sweeeeet. But yes, long term is the ONLY way to look at serious investments.</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, my Sydney friend sold her Arch Hill 2 bedroom cottage for 300k more than she paid for it 5 years earlier at Easter. Kinda puts Kiwisaver into perspective!!</p></blockquote><p>Nice.  Its prolly better to look at the housing market and share markets in the long run terms.</p><p><a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/12/100_year_bull_b.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/12/100_year_bull_b.html</a></p>
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						<blockquote>Then on Friday the market started to rise, on the back of the US Fed intervention that no-one predicted. If I'd sold this morning, I'd only be 4k down, and probably even better off if I waited til tomorrow when the US market re-opens and they take off again too.</blockquote>…
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						<p>Heh. I sold an Otaki property for 350k more than I bought it for 5 years ago.</p><p>Otaki &ndash; the new Sydney! You heard it first here.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>If Auckland puts Banks back in again, I think the rest of the country will have to cut it off. A hoofin' big canal across the island somewhere near Drury. And a DMZ with mines.</p><p>But we'll start up a ferry service to connect Northland back up, because it's nice…</p>
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						Yeah, my Sydney friend sold her Arch Hill 2 bedroom cottage  for 300k <strong>more</strong> than she paid for it 5 years earlier at Easter. Kinda puts Kiwisaver into perspective!!
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						<blockquote><p>Russell... thanks for the Salon sub-prime primer... its cleared things up substantially for me...</p></blockquote><p>Ditto that.  Also liked the If Meetings Were Blog Comments clip.  First.</p><blockquote><p>Oh yeah, and now the housing market is supposedly in decline, meaning I'm going to get less for my current house. Bummer. That's another…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>and regarding Mayoral politics:</p><p>as the last Auckland election showed, it really doesn't matter who the Mayor is &mdash; it's the party vote that counts. The Mayor is the Mayor but it's the party with the most seats on council who will determine what the council does (and how ratepayers…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I think I'll vote on the Auckland Mayor with my feet. Particularly if it's Banks.</p><p>STV? Why bother? Referenda for everything. Those *might* actually be votes worth having.</p>
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						I'll endorse the Salon article too. In answer to the last question it poses "what will happen next?' &mdash; the Fed will intervene in the market by lowering interest rates to prop up the share market. Everyone was bailing on their shares because no-one knew how bad it was going…
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Tamihere &amp; Banks show would be so much fun to watch from the south.</p></blockquote><p>Where's your ambition? I'd go for the trifecta, get Michael Laws to stand out west.</p>
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						<p>Oh and this is topical, some would say the defining issue, or should be,<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10458737" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10458737</a><br />I'm in Rodney now, but Auckland City is important to Rodney, (not just for sand), choose well.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Word on Facebook is that Martyn Bradbury, aka Bomber, is running for the Auckland mayoralty...</p></blockquote><p>i saw a chap walking along courtney place the other day wearing a bowler hat, and i thought to myself, "bomber was 10 years ahead of this time."</p><p>and reading span's comment, i found myself…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tamihere" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tamihere</a><br />Good old wikipedia, the cats haven't been edited out...<br />Here's a quote from Mr Swney<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=139&amp;objectid=10457581" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=139&amp;objectid=10457581</a><br />Also Brian Rudman does heaps of Auckland City centric articles in the Herald, read the whole Urban Design section and weep,<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=139&amp;objectid=10457360" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=139&amp;objectid=10457360</a></p><p>Clean and safe how hard is it?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But does anyone think Tamihere would actually make a good mayor in west Auckland? I think he'd be a disaster.</p></blockquote><p>Hard to say....  he could be a disaster?  But he also did quite well with the Waiparera Trust for many years (before spectacular falling out), and thats a sort-of-local-body-type operation…</p>
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						Word on Facebook is that Martyn Bradbury, aka Bomber, is running for the Auckland mayoralty...
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Tamihere &amp; Banks show would be so much fun to watch from the south.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, <em>don't</em> ...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Would also be mildly amusing from the north as well &ndash; after <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=139&amp;objectid=10458743" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this debacle</a><br />I'd vote for any non-incumbent with voluntary bowel and bladder control.  I'm sure it seems a real parish pump niggle to most PA readers, but is mere <em>competence</em> an unreasonable expectation?</p>
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						<p>Christchurch has only voted one mayor out (in anyones living memory) &ndash; the guy who actually did what he said. </p><p>Built QEII for the commonwealth games and his greatest folly try and get a motorway from Riccarton Road to Bealy Ave cutting out the heart of Hagley Park. Massed protest…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Auckland's local body politics are screwing up the city, but let's not just laugh at them &ndash; let's learn from it so Christchurch doesn't go the same way."</p></blockquote><p>Now watch us elect Bob bloody Parker because people recognise his name. Once he's in, he can be Mayor in Perpetuity for…</p>
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						The Tamihere & Banks show would be so much fun to watch from the south.
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						<blockquote><p>I've recently just moved outside of Auckland City to Waitakere City (by moving 2km to the adjacent suburb). Even though it does have a large effect on greater Auckland, I'm glad I dont have to choose between Hubbard, Banks, et al. But who do I have to choose from?</p></blockquote><p>McCarten…</p>
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						<p>Craig are you using the old joke about Sociologists have no friends &amp; extending it to politicians &ndash; I like it.<br />Of course you get the democracy you deserve. <br />Is anyone here standing? <br />Or that age limit of being under 50yrs and therefore don't give a crap about the biddies on…</p>
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						<p>Russell... thanks for the Salon sub-prime primer... its cleared things up substantially for me...</p><p>As to the local election coverage...</p><p>I've recently just moved outside of Auckland City to Waitakere City (by moving 2km  to the adjacent suburb).  Even though it does have a large effect on greater Auckland, I'm…</p>
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						<p>TomS:</p><p>Well, I guess "a A mayoralty with no real power" is pretty tough on people whose school reports were full of phrases like 'does not play well with others', but I can live with that.  And I guess that's the big question mark I have about Swiney.  Does he…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>the left is a messy mix of Labour/Greens/Alliance.</p></blockquote><p>I don't perceive City Vision as being as messy as the alternatives, namely a divided left in Auckland City, allowing Cits and Rats to win by default every time.  Certainly they are good at running campaigns and are out of the blocks…</p>
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						Its all so extremely frustrating. The C&R block, who should be not just discredited but driven en masse from the council after so completely fucking up Auckland under Les Mills and John Banks might regain power.  The Herald seems to regard itself as the standard bearer of of speculators and property…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have to rely on the burghers of Hobson ward to return Richard Simpson to council when I'd cheerfully vote for him if I had the chance. STV would have been a good thing.</p></blockquote><p>And I had to rely on the voters of the Lambton Ward to elect my favoured…</p>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Auckland mayoralty makes me want to cry.</p></blockquote><p>So, I'm in Nelson on holiday at the moment, and the local morning paper is The Press. In the Saturday edition there was an article that basically said "Auckland's local body politics are screwing up the city, but let's not just laugh…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The Auckland mayoralty makes me want to cry.</p></blockquote><p>The whole thing's messed up. The right is too far right and the left is a messy mix of Labour/Greens/Alliance. I have to rely on the burghers of Hobson ward to return Richard Simpson to council when I'd cheerfully vote for him…</p>
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						The Auckland mayoralty makes me want to cry. A mayoralty with no real power with a title that doesn't fit the common perception of "Auckland" (i.e. the connurbation from Orewa to Bombay) has as it's two highest profile contenders two fundamentalist christians who have absolutely no understanding of how to…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Alex Swney will be worth watching.</p></blockquote><p>Certainly &ndash; but who is going to be doing it?  Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but Auckland's sole daily newspaper is giving me little hope that their local body election coverage this time is going to reach the dizzying heights…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Out of interest, is Swney one to watch because he is neither Banks nor Hubbard?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. The theory is that he'd take votes away from Banks' pantomime candidacy, but if Hubbard struggles, it's not unthinkable that some of the Hubbard vote would go to him.</p>
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						Out of interest, is Swney one to watch because he is <em>neither</em> Banks nor Hubbard?
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