Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Modelling Behaviour

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  • andin, in reply to FletcherB,

    You may well be able to test items on list X and show they are not harmful, but they’ll still be illegal because they are on the list.

    Someone once told me living will cause your death.
    Is that on the list? Can we test that?

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to FletcherB,

    More or less. Although controlled drug *analogues* which are currently illegal *can* be approved for sale as psychoactive substances. In theory.

    I reckon a great experiment would be for a party pill/synthetic cannabis supplier to drop an entirely inert placebo into the supply chain and see how many moral panic stories of hospital admissions, crazed psychopathy and so on it generated.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    More or less. Although controlled drug *analogues* which are currently illegal *can* be approved for sale as psychoactive substances. In theory.

    Which actually makes no sense at all.

    I reckon a great experiment would be for a party pill/synthetic cannabis supplier to drop an entirely inert placebo into the supply chain and see how many moral panic stories of hospital admissions, crazed psychopathy and so on it generated.

    I doubt it would generate acute kidney injury, which has happened here too.

    I don’t think there can be much doubt that some of the chemicals now being sold – as the earlier ones have been progressively banned – pose significant health risks. It’s not just a media myth.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I doubt it would generate acute kidney injury, which has happened here too.

    Or cause a person to lapse into unconsciousness 4 times during dinner, as happened to a friend of mine in front of me. On a different occasion said friend took some synthetic whatever in his back yard, and woke up in his front lounge lying on the floor surrounded by the shards of his coffee table, and was unable to move for around half an hour. This was not an inexperienced drug taker, either.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to BenWilson,

    synthetic whatever

    a far more accurate description, pretty much sums it up :)
    a friend became, if not addicted, a bloody persistent user of K2. #notgoodshit

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    a far more accurate description, pretty much sums it up :)

    Considering I had some of the exact same brand and sub-brand purchased from a different place, and we took it together, and experienced nothing like that, it's the only accurate description. I do not believe that they were the same thing, and since they didn't have to say what's in it, that's definitely not precluded. Can't say I liked it, though. It was amusingly novel, the first time, for there to be a legal thing that had a real effect, somewhat like dope. But beyond that, the legality (and thus availability) was the only thing that was better about it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Synthetic Cannabis uses chemicals to emulate the same effects, (as I understand it) but it is a constructed/manufactured substance how do the makers and sellers get away with not listing the chemical contents?

    Presumably the labeling regime only applies for those things you eat/drink, so I'd imagine cigarettes don't have the labels on them either.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

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