Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Media7: A new censor -- and a showdown for student media?

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:25:12 +1200

Nice to see ACT trying to rip the human heart (still beating) out of our tertiary institutions – the Student Union system provides a much needed social balance for students – if all students can do is study there will be serious social implications further down the track for them…

David Hood

Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:29:46 +1200

don’t the censors do a regular survey of community values and adjust how they apply their rules depending on the results

A bit like qantas

Kyle Matthews

Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:14:13 +1200

Really, guys? I’d say censorship is one area where value judgements around concepts like injury to “the public good” are unavoidable, but it really doesn’t help public dialogue if we pretend they’re not going on.

It wasn't covered in the show, but don't the censors do a regular survey of…

Tony Siu

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:04:10 +1200

The VSM really annoys me because our University of Auckland Tramping (hiking) club, which have been the largest, friendliest and most established club on campus will lose out funding from AUSA for the upcoming semester. Which means, despite our push for membership drive in which that's where our majority funding…

andin

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:03:56 +1200

They can go on tho' and ..um... connect.
Quality may also be an issue.
They'd have to bring a laptop.

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:11:58 +1200

I think the point is that the law now is – for better or worse – more explicitly prescriptive, leaving rather less room for intangible value judgements.

I think that's a fair point, and anyone who could watch Kirby Dick's This Film Is Not Yet Rated is a simultaneously hilarious…

Russell Brown

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:55:07 +1200

To be fair to Andrew Jack (and his predecessors) he’s totally right that he has to work within the legislative framework he’s got. I just wish we’d all stop pretending that “injury to the public good” is some kind of objective concept like the speed of light.

I think the…

Russell Brown

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:52:42 +1200

I liked Andrew Jack — he wasn't what I expected from a former legal advisor to Customs and the police, I'll tell you that.

The show is online here.

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:45:05 +1200

I agree with you, Craig. It would be great to have a philosopher in charge, rather than the usual lawyer of choice–to begin, for example, to pick apart the language of injurious to the public good

To be fair to Andrew Jack (and his predecessors) he's totally right that he…

Joe Wylie

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:13:53 +1200

It would be great to have a philosopher in charge . . .
It'd play nicely on TV where, instead of the contrived intro shot of the expert pretending to busy themselves with folders 'n tomes, the sage would be seen deep in contemplation of a human skull cradled in…

Geoff Lealand

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:45:07 +1200

Excellent show last night, but I'm afraid I've got a long-standing bone to pick with the assertion that our censorship laws are "objective" rather than "philisophical".

I agree with you, Craig. It would be great to have a philosopher in charge, rather than the usual lawyer of choice--to begin, for…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:38:27 +1200

I have wondered on the subject of honorifics. If one was an Earl and received an OBE would one become an Earlobe?

Lilith __

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:28:39 +1200

etceteras that I have encountered.

There’s a T shirt :)

As in, "your smile eyes knees and..."?

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:33:53 +1200

Excellent show last night, but I'm afraid I've got a long-standing bone to pick with the assertion that our censorship laws are "objective" rather than "philisophical". Really, guys? I'd say censorship is one area where value judgements around concepts like injury to "the public good" are unavoidable, but it really…

Jackie Clark

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:19:10 +1200

That 's what I thought. She ain't a writer for nuffin!

andin

Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:57:08 +1200

However, Mike Joy was a star and I thought the perspectives from the Maori scientists was interesting.

OK I'll bite. Interesting yes quite a useful word really.
So the Taniwha is for our benefit warning of a possible rip in a river flow. Yes many primitive peoples came up with…

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:55:59 +1200

I would have like to have seen segments thrown together and less people interviewed but hey, not my show. I always want more when sitting in on these recordings, because it is really interesting stuff, but as Mr Coleman (finally)said to me , he and I do probably differ on…

Carol Stewart

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:33:52 +1200

If I also may be honest, I would have liked to have heard more from Peter G and less from Robert W. I agree with Lilith that it was probably the least interesting segment of the show (in what was a really enjoyable show overall). I enjoyed hearing from the…

Sacha

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:28:34 +1200

crowning glory

very good

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:18:10 +1200

etceteras that I have encountered.

There's a T shirt :)

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:12:47 +1200

Ok it was suggested, Winston was not jetlagged. He is serious.and I think to them, it seems unreasonable if one doesn't gettit/ not understand. I get the impression both Winston and Gluckman are on a scientific plane that is what it is and it is what it is.There is no…

Islander

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:26:59 +1200

Jackie – it was a generalist statement – and I didnt realise your Dad was a recipient of a title. I had just associated him with a certain excellent ANZ company, and not looked further. Because that was his crowning glory...

My comment maybe should’ve been prefixed with “In my…

Jackie Clark

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:52:20 +1200

To be fair, Islander, not all people who recieve titles are like that. My Dad never thought he was better than anyone else, he mostly thought it was very funny, but he did appreciate the recognition, I think. And since his death, my mother very rarely uses her title.

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:18:21 +1200

Kind of my impression from the audience as well.

Well I did think he came across as grumpy, but being closely aligned to one Brit, I often see how him being more direct does get misinterpreted and I mean often.So,I'm now going out on a limb and suggesting a) He…

Steve Barnes

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:17:16 +1200

(Don’t worry, I linked to the Dom Post story not the ugly Trade Me comments).

Some of the comments are the expected Kiwiblurg stuff but some are gold.

Geoff Lealand

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:09:51 +1200

And another excellent Media 7 taping last night and my eleven students enjoyed the experience.

JLM

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:26:24 +1200

Seems rather impressed with himself, that man.

Well he has reason to be.

But it still doesn’t seem to make him an easy interviewee.

He obviously prefers the sort of soft and worshipful interview that Jim Mora gave him on 8 months to Mars

Islander

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:19:03 +1200

You know, this will probably seem slight & slighting BUT
I really distrust anyone who is stupid/gullible/or greedy enough to accept a title.
Reguardless of the kind of title they've accepted (and believe you me, as patron of the Republican movement in ANZ but also as someone who studied heraldry and…

Peter Calder

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:53:10 +1200

I hesitate to say a bad word about Sir Peter Gluckman because I so approve of his recent agitation for increasing spending on (poor, brown) mothers and young children so we won't have to spend money on putting the kids in jail about 19 years later but he and Winston…

Lisa Black

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:09:37 +1200

I read Winston's comment on the Treaty situation as wondering why on earth the Treaty should be an issue after all this time, and I'm inclined to agree.

170 years of ballsing it up, I mean, really... It's not that hard to do the right thing, and our governments haven't…

Lilith __

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:13:20 +1200

I thought the Media 7 science special was a very interesting show, but curiously I think the Winston-and-Gluckman segment was the least interesting part. For all that Winston said about not talking down to the audience, he was far more self-important than anyone else there. Mike Joy was wonderful, and…

Sacha

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:44:54 +1200

He only has reason to be within his fields of expertise. Sadly he seems to believe that IVF being one of them means he knows more about disability than he does. Or that being interviewed often or delivering scripted TV shows makes him a journalism expert.

Bart Janssen

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:34:47 +1200

Seems rather impressed with himself, that man.

Well he has reason to be.

But it still doesn't seem to make him an easy interviewee.

Sacha

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:30:34 +1200

I just stumbled on the Stuff story too. Seems rather impressed with himself, that man.

Haven't watched Media7 yet. Did any curly disability questions pass muster?

Lilith __

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:08:10 +1200

Oh that's interesting. And I agree his comment on the Treaty was unhelpful. I guess I felt the article was making his personality the issue when I wanted to hear what he had to say on the issues themselves. But maybe he was the wrong person to be asking.

Bart Janssen

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:04:59 +1200

I found Winston fairly grumpy too

Kind of my impression from the audience as well. I'm not sure having Professor Gluckman there as well helped since they seemed to be performing a bit for each other, like interviewing children who are showing off for each other rather than focussing on…

Russell Brown

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:52:08 +1200

Sorry this is OT but I’ve been away from the internet for 10 days and then I find this idiotic nonsense featured by Stuff. Robert Winston is a brilliant communicator and an expert in his field, and this reporter has been unable to restrain her sarcasm. Jesus wept.

To be…

Lilith __

Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:39:51 +1200

Sorry this is OT but I've been away from the internet for 10 days and then I find this idiotic nonsense featured by Stuff. Robert Winston is a brilliant communicator and an expert in his field, and this reporter has been unable to restrain her sarcasm. Jesus wept.

Nick Shand

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:55:03 +1200

I believe it will pass 31 August.

As a former student president this is sad news indeed.

Stripping universities of their self-funding student culture will neuter an effective training ground that has through the years provided many with unexpected opportunities for professionally formative education.

Let us hope our students will…

Gaynor

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:06:37 +1200

(Heather Roy’s VSM bill will return to Parliament next year for its third reading, despite her retirement)

I believe it will pass 31 August. They're onto the last clause of the committee stage, which they should complete on 17 August. Then the third reading will happen on the 31st (third…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:44:07 +1200

I'd suggest that nowadays, people are offended by egregious sexism, homophobia and racism in the way that they used to be by "naughty words". Should the censor look at that sort of thing?

Graeme Edgeler

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:36:34 +1200

(Heather Roy’s VSM bill will return to Parliament next year for its third reading, despite her retirement).

I would have thought this year was more likely.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:37:59 +1200

I think that story illustrates the degree of pressure from that particular group that was on Hastings in his job as Censor.

Quite – but to be fair, Authur Everard got it in the neck from all sides. IMNSHO, it was a disgrace how he was effectively sacked by the…

dave crampton

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:23:53 +1200

(Heather Roy’s VSM bill will return to Parliament next year for its third reading, despite her retirement)
That’s if it doesn’t get passed *this* year
http://exmss.org/vicepresidentsblog/2011/08/04/vsm-legislation-may-well-pass-this-year-after-all/

Geoff Lealand

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:05:19 +1200

Oh, good. The topic is just the ticket for the vanload of my students I will be bringing up tomorrow.

Public Address

Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:05:19 +1200

Discussion from blog post.