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Islander

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:31:53 +1300

The smackers yes. The tacit enablers not at all

Hmmmm...food for thought.
It is like sexists/racists/supporters of slavery...why kick against the norm?
Until evidence of just *what* the norm enables – and the damage it does to those corrupted- and the rest of humanity- that a positive societal reaction happens-…

mark taslov

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:11:58 +1300

Whom I trust have *always* been in the minority

The smackers yes. The tacit enablers not at all.

Islander

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:20:24 +1300

The same parents who smacked their children, who sent them off to schools knowing they’d endure brutal initiations, bullying and God knows what other suffering, having endured it themselves. The countless parents who have refused to rock the apple cart for millenia.

Whom I trust have *always* been in the…

Islander

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:16:15 +1300

If people want to be truly informed on the Chchch Creche case – read Lynley Hood’s book “A City Possessed.”
Nothing in it has been officially refuted – and it did assist in Peter Ellis’s early release.
I have the additional advantage of knowing Ellis’s lawyer…Rob still comes to Big…

mark taslov

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:07:29 +1300

The same parents who smacked their children, who sent them off to schools knowing they'd endure brutal initiations, bullying and God knows what other suffering, having endured it themselves. The countless parents who have refused to rock the apple cart for millenia.

Lilith __

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:18:16 +1300

I don’t know how you can be so certain that they didn’t know as to be able to SHOUT about it. Much as you would like to believe otherwise it was tolerated and denied. I spent the first 30 odd years of my life in that society and find it…

Danielle

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:01:19 +1300

it was tolerated and denied

If it was the former I can't work out why it would have been the latter.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:40:09 +1300

Be preraped, er, prepared...
Also note: the conditions that allowed Savile to offend in plain sight have not magically disappeared since the 1970s.
Some chipping at the edges though. The Boy Scouts of America have finally released their "Perversion Files", after a two year legal battle...
The Scouts began keeping…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:38:37 +1300

I think that’s a pretty good parallel.
I agree and would add that because it was so recent should be regarded as worse.

Society didn’t tolerate it, THEY DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING. Perhaps people should have twigged. If anybody DID know, they are guilty of concealing a horrible crime.…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:34:19 +1300

Closer to home, there was former ChCh City councillor Morgan Fahey, who was in a position of trust as a doctor – and abused it.

Russell Brown

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:18:42 +1300

If you want a more recent parallel, you need look no further than Penn State University’s coaching scandal last year. In both cases, one individual was regarded as essential to an institution; in both cases the institution protected itself by pretending the offending was not serious or ongoing, and certainly…

Russell Brown

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:16:30 +1300

Watch Esther Rantzen’s body language in the “Exposed” documentary and you will see someone trying to hide their shame, she knew what was happening and did nothing because, back then, it was accepted and she is not a bad person.

Like Paul Gambaccini and others, Rantzen clearly feels she should…

Lilith __

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:09:30 +1300

If you are going to condemn someone for doing what society tolerated back then then you also have to condemn that society.

Society didn't tolerate it, THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING. Perhaps people should have twigged. If anybody DID know, they are guilty of concealing a horrible crime.
CHILD…

linger

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:17:32 +1300

Also note: the conditions that allowed Savile to offend in plain sight have not magically disappeared since the 1970s. If you want a more recent parallel, you need look no further than Penn State University’s coaching scandal last year. In both cases, one individual was regarded as essential to an…

Raymond A Francis

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:16:59 +1300

I take your point Steve but we are not just talking about Savile just "coping a feel" we are talking about alleged child rape which despite your stories about laws regarding vegetables has been illegal in the UK since 1275
it is not a new crime!

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:50:06 +1300

Thank you linger, I'm glad someone can see where I'm coming from.
But.
1970s England wasn’t that different to today, It was. You have to remember that things like sexual harassment in the work place was the norm for women, and many men, that what we now consider sexual abuse,…

linger

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:10:43 +1300

Steve’s point, I hope, was that each culture has its own moral code, which appears “normal” to its members. Deploring historical wrongs from our own, hopefully more enlightened, standpoint is all very well, but the moral code of that era also needs to be considered to understand those actions in…

Lilith __

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:09:51 +1300

Steve, child rape was also illegal in the 1970s when Savile started offending. And I'm pretty bloody sure that a poll of public feeling about child abuse in the 1970s would also find it pretty bloody repugnant.

Vegetables?? You must be taking the piss.

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:03:02 +1300

Imagine a situation like this. For years you have been selling your home grown vegetables and a new law comes into force that not only makes it illegal for you sell them but makes you liable for any perceived damage from (or indeed to) any vegetables you may have sold…

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:02:06 +1300

Jesus wept; I can’t believe we’re even having this conversation.

Yup. Many people here will know people who have been sexually abused as children, or may have been victims of that abuse. Saying that their abusers are also victims because such things used to be swept under the carpet more,…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:59:51 +1300

I don’t mean legally. I mean MORALLY.

Morals change, that is the whole point, and when they change those on the "wrong" side get punished without understanding why their behaviour is now considered to be immoral.
Imagine a situation like this. For years you have been selling your home grown…

Raymond A Francis

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:46:04 +1300

Just because men thought they could get away with it (let's define "it" as sexual abuse of children) does not mean it was ok then or now

I can't believe I am reading someone suggest otherwise

Lilith __

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:02:03 +1300

Rape … isn’t a custom that used to be OK

This statement seems counter-historical.

I don't mean legally. I mean MORALLY.

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:00 +1300

Rape ... isn’t a custom that used to be OK

This statement seems counter-historical.

Lilith __

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:18:36 +1300

Another effect of this “moral panic” was the impeachment of Bill Clinton, what was once accepted as part of the trappings of power, the wooing of maidens, was used as a means of denigrating a person who would otherwise be considered “a Good guy”, as was Savile in his time.…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:13:04 +1300

I’d feel slightly less sickened. Thanks.

Yeah well, I am really sorry that it made you feel a bit ikky. Perhaps you would like to be called a victim too.

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:10:53 +1300

as if personal moral codes are some kind of arbitrary nicety?

I wish that weren't so, I wish that there were a set of moral codes that worked, that crossed the boundaries of religion and politics but there are not and the codes we have are constantly changing. That was…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:06:31 +1300

Yeah, Steve, because whatever you’d say about John Key and Mitt Romney they’re exactly like a sexual predator

No, more like the kind of people that send your kids off to kill a non-trivial number of women and children in other countries for their natural resources.

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:30:26 +1300

In Savile’s case, girls who complained of their abuse were ignored or even persecuted. Carers were instructed to ignore Savile selecting victims from hospital wards and taking them to his “bedroom” at the hospital because he brought in so much money in donations. There were eyewitnesses and people he told.…

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:19:05 +1300

I light of the change in attitude it is inevitable that some people who considered themselves to be very proper in all respects were indulging in or just indulging, behaviour which would later prove to be abhorrent to Society as a whole, they should be considered victims also.

If we…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:17:45 +1300

Makes Jimmy Saville look positively angelic.

Yeah, Steve, because whatever you’d say about John Key and Mitt Romney they’re exactly like a sexual predator who non-metaphorically abused hundreds of women over decades while a non-trivial number of people were more interested in protecting their institutional mana than actual human beings.…

Joe Wylie

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 06:28:18 +1300

My point is that the changes in societal mores can cause people to make judgements based on current standards in historical cases to distance themselves from the wrongdoing and in doing so magnify the perceived guilt.
And you make your 'point' in the service of what – as an apologist…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 01:07:15 +1300

The “ritual satanic abuse” alleged in the Civic Creche case did not happen: it was invented.

Er, yes, by members of Society in knee-jerk panic mode fearing association with such evil doings to the point of believing such bizarre accounts from children. Why else do you imagine people would pursue…

Joe Wylie

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 00:01:25 +1300

The hypocrisy, it burns.
Nothing like a good old-fahioned auto-da-fé to sort out those hypocrites.

Lilith __

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:49:37 +1300

the prosecutions are both coming from Society distancing itself from its past by placing blame on individuals.

No.

The “ritual satanic abuse” alleged in the Civic Creche case did not happen: it was invented. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the case at all but the allegations were **truly…

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:39:22 +1300

Yes but the prosecutions are both coming from Society distancing itself from its past by placing blame on individuals. Savile would not accept that he abused children, in fact he leaped to the defence of Garry Glitter, Paul Gadd, claiming that no harm was done to anybody because Gadd had…

Lilith __

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:23:46 +1300

You turn it into a bouncy stonehenge

Wow, thanks for that David, how awesome! And I loved the bouncy marae too, and regret not bouncing on it when I had the chance.

Lilith __

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:20:41 +1300

The apparent reasons for the persecutions are different

Yes, the reasons are that Savile abused children and that Ellis was framed.

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 23:04:09 +1300

There are, for fuck’s sake, actual broadcast TV pictures of Savile feeling up young girls.

Exactly, and nobody batted an eyelid. Now the public consciousness is going to scapegoat Savile the same way Christchurch scapegoated Ellis. The apparent reasons for the persecutions are different but it is all part of…

Russell Brown

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:45:41 +1300

So … am I the only person here who had never heard of Jimmy Savile before this all became public?

Having lived in London for five years certainly had an influence on my awareness, but I was also aware of him before that via general cultural osmosis from British comics…

David Hood

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:28:10 +1300

You turn it into a bouncy stonehenge

or, as my daughter just reminded me a bouncy marae

David Hood

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:25:15 +1300

ok, how do you convert a Bouncy Castle?

You turn it into a bouncy stonehenge

Russell Brown

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:24:45 +1300

I just watched Exposure – The other side of Jimmy Savile and couldn’t help but think of the Christchurch Crèche case. Whilst, undoubtedly, Jimmy Savile was an unsavoury character by today’s standards he was feted in his time and I wonder how many of his “victims” went on to valuable…

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:01:15 +1300

ok, how do you convert a Bouncy Castle?

Tell it that last minute repentance doesn't wash in Bouncy Castle heaven, whilst suggestively holding a pin.

Islander

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:58:21 +1300

O struth! Never knew it existed!
But – this a person who had never heard of acid rock or indeed much
anything else from the 1960s – because I fell in love with Spanish & other guitar music, ‘black’ jazz and (hangs head in shame) film music…srsly- I found a lot…

Joe Wylie

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:26:37 +1300

No.
He was completely under the horizon as far as I was concerned...
Then like Graeme your attention would have been engaged with higher matters than snuffling through the pages of Fabulous 208, that dirt-cheap source of popstar pinups, where you couldn't have missed his disconcertingly out of place pop-eyed…

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:24:51 +1300

How do you Knock on a Bouncy Castle?.
airily?

You drop it, in the direction of the try line.
ok, how do you convert a Bouncy Castle?
;- )

Islander

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:48:37 +1300

No.
He was completely under the horizon as far as I was concerned...

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:07:46 +1300

Would that lead to a rolling maul?
"of Jobs and Growth initiatives." that is.

But anyhoo.
I just watched Exposure – The other side of Jimmy Savile and couldn't help but think of the Christchurch Crèche case. Whilst, undoubtedly, Jimmy Savile was an unsavoury character by today's…

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:59:40 +1300

How do you Knock on a Bouncy Castle?

You drop it, in the direction of the try line.

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:06:19 +1300

That’s got to be good for a ‘knock knock’ joke.

How do you Knock on a Bouncy Castle?.

Joe Wylie

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:59:53 +1300

So … am I the only person here who had never heard of Jimmy Savile before this all became public?
That's got to be good for a 'knock knock' joke.

Graeme Edgeler

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:24:46 +1300

So … am I the only person here who had never heard of Jimmy Savile before this all became public?

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:09:08 +1300

white noise…

The Hissing of Summer Lawns.
We don't need no stinkin' information
;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXpREI_CqU

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:26:24 +1300

“Too much information”
white noise...

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:35:56 +1300

"Big Data". Love the term. Especially since you always want your big data to be actually small. Is that a thumb drive in your pocket or am I just not your type?

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:31:31 +1300

insider narrative vs. big data narrative.

Typical of any Right Wing Party, the Big Lie technique employed by these manipulators of public opinion.
John Key's dismissive denigration of his opponents is just another form of the self important bully boy tactics employed by other thuggish tyrants.
Makes Jimmy…

Steve Barnes

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:12:24 +1300

It’s not like he just uses the wrong words, but he also seems to use the wrong worlds!

Guano by lunchtime? we can only hope.

I spotted one the other day, on the Bealey & Fitzgerald aves cnr, flashing out: “LOOKING FOR NETWORK”, I saw one last week with ALL the…

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:40:27 +1300

"David isn't sure he spent much time with him at all," the source said. "He remembers the previous leader Helen Clark a lot better."

Yes, Key just melted back into the long line of other Johns, like the 251st guy in Annabel Chong's lineup (or perhaps the 50th, scholars dispute…

David Hood

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:31:59 +1300

There has been a lot of discussion in U.S. media commentary this week on insider narrative vs. big data narrative. It has been building from mid-October where the insider political narrative of a Romney surge and a neck and neck race stopped matching the results that the poll analysis people…

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:31:42 +1300

Excelerant! . ;)

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:17:31 +1300

It’s not like he just uses the wrong words, but he also seems to use the wrong worlds!

Yes, maybe on Planet Key, pigs fly like bats, leaving thick deposits.

I suspect John Key’s porn star name would be a mere anagram – Honey JK… – and that he’d be…

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:13:52 +1300

by illustrating that it’s ok to denigrate and belittle people who have done you a kindness…
By this"Batshit" Herald article, it just goes to show , the Beckham camp is alive and well smart and aware of er.. whatsshisname.

But a source close to Beckham claimed he barely remembers meeting…

Joe Wylie

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:57:35 +1300

I heard Paula Bennett the other night, apparently stunned – “It seems incredulous to me that it wasn’t escalated to the right people,’’ she said.
The same "right people" who maintain the pious fraud that the feeble-minded 'Minister' actually makes the decisions that are attributed to her? They were probably…

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:40:57 +1300

I teed off worng…
5 charity hour golf match
er, 5 hour charity golf match…

a salt and battery…
…but to be extra charitable, Key allowed a local
fish & chip shop proprietor to beat him.

Bend me, shape me, shame me….
The irony of denigrating a man’s intelligence with a…

BenWilson

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:10:02 +1300

The irony of denigrating a man's intelligence with a malapropism.

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:55:37 +1300

Down wit’ da kidz…
It would not surprise me if the “List of Offenders” grew so big that we would have to admit it was statistically normal.
Which maybe explains why John Key, finds it necessary to impress young christian boarding schoolgirls, by using words like batshit, while endorsing and…

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:47:03 +1300

Excellent Media3 today. But I still reckon that Jose need a show ofhis own...I want to hear the conclusion of the story about the turtle and the ute!

Hebe

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:08:11 +1300

Nicky Hager agrees with you on this in the show, and talks about building a relationship with a source to establish their integrity as a person.

That's old-school journalism: knowing who's in your patch, on professional and personal levels, their connections and history. Rarely happens now with the electronic newsroom…

Sacha

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:17:23 +1300

recent next-day OIA release from Paula Bennett to the Oily One

On the #wtfmsd thread, news Keith is pursuing that matter.

Steve Barnes

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:00:46 +1300

According to John Drinnan...
Slater's right wing Whale Oil Beef Hooked is New Zealand's most popular and arguably the most news focused blog.
It must be true, it was int' Herald.
Yeah right, I'm sure Russell would have the numbers to dispute that.
As to the BBC "Scandal" We are…

Kumara Republic

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:31:42 +1300

I think we should put all this in context with the level of obstruction and obfuscation that we are seeing around OIA and LGOIMA requests. Rather than having a more open and transparent central and local government we are getting the opposite.

And contrast that with a recent next-day OIA…

Sacha

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:28:45 +1300

The test isn't whether the source is as pure as Bo Peep, but whether (a) they're telling the truth and (b) there's a genuine public interest in the matter at hand being made public.

Nicky Hager agrees with you on this in the show, and talks about building a relationship…

John Holley

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:22:43 +1300

When dealing with the supercity formation I was…

Rob Hosking

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:59:08 +1300

It's not sinister to be highly sensitive to the idea that sources don't always come forth out of some disinterested interest in Truth, Justice and the Public Good. That's Journalism 101, and it shouldn't go on hold just because someone calls themselves a 'whistleblower'.

I'd say never. I've believed for…

Matthew Poole

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:35:44 +1300

Likewise the IRD, based on what one of my lecturers (who also consults to IRD) said. If you're fiddling your taxes, you'd best keep sweet with everyone who knows.

TracyMac

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:13:00 +1300

A friend of mine works for Australian Customs, and by far their greatest information source for wrong-doing is disgruntled ex-partners or ex business associates.

Matthew Poole

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:02:40 +1300

while the primary media outlet of the prolles – surviving only by being unworthy of being wrapped around good, honest fish and chips – was Ivestiy.

Ah, and it seems that my recollection was faulty since Ivestia was also a government paper. Making the Russian joke even more bleak.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:57:54 +1300

street talking eds...
Samizdat ever was...
welcome to the new state of Blogistan...
...a key form of dissident activity across the Soviet bloc in which individuals reproduced censored publications by hand and passed the documents from reader to reader. This grassroots practice to evade officially imposed censorship was fraught with…

Matthew Poole

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:18:50 +1300

As they used to say in Russia, "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy." ("In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth.")

Which was, as I understood it, reference to the chief mouthpiece of the Party being Pravda while the primary media…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:19:32 +1300

Slater – he's no winsome roofer...
The outcome could even make the MSM.
Que?
Oh no!
You mean MSM doesn't mean
Mostly SadoMasochism ?!
; – )

BenWilson

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:11:42 +1300

It could make an interesting story if Slater libels the main subject in the Truth, gangs, and forgets to attribute the story to their longest running source, unnamed vice-girls who were formally P-slaves. The outcome could even make the MSM.

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:44:02 +1300

It always seems unreasonable to me that a critic is expected themselves to be above criticism, and to only be valid if supplied from those with impeccable motives and record.

Bruce: That’s not what Jane Clifton or Russell are saying. The most famous whistleblower in history is Mark Felt (A.K.A.…

Bruce Thorpe

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 07:21:09 +1300

To get back to the motives of whistleblowers, that should never be the issue.Rejected love, nimbyism and unappreciated staffers are often the source of very valid inside information.
It always seems unreasonable to me that a critic is expected themselves to be above criticism, and to only be valid if…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 07:19:59 +1300

You say to martyr, I say to motto...
As they used to say in Russia, “v Pravde net izvestiy,
v Izvestiyakh net pravdy.”
Meanwhile in that renowned centre of Latin learning,
Chchch, The Press's credo is "Nihil utile quod non honestum"
( "Nothing is useful that is not honest.") -…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 03:31:40 +1300

An inspired choice for the editorship of the esteemed organ; they deserve each other. It could lead to some entertaining and vile scraps in print.

Would it become even more like The Sun or the late-unlamented NOTW? As they used to say in Russia, "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh…

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 01:42:00 +1300

It was more subtle, and more pervasive, than that. He was a lot of people’s meal ticket, for sure. But it’s actually quite shocking the way the culture just let it go.

Um, yeah – Andrew O’Hagan has a truly disturbing LRB essay about the culture of the BBC. I…

DexterX

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:13:35 +1300

that there may be serious problems with some public-sector processes.

There are serious problems that stem from the public sector not having regard to the objects of the governing legislation – the failure to read or wilful ignorance of instructions, and when it all turns to shit rather than consult…

Caleb D'Anvers

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:11:07 +1300

Back when I used to work the evening shift in the Newspaper Room in the Auckland Central Library, the Truth was much sought after by the Library's scarier customers. They'd always approach the desk and ask juicily ambiguous questions like, "do you have the Truth?", "where can I find the…

Biobbs

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:09:10 +1300

Truth: an oxymoron, with a moron in charge,

Give a new meaning to the phrase "I promise to tell the Truth "

Tony Siu

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:32:11 +1300

Unfortunately, yes that is correct. Ben

BenWilson

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:02:36 +1300

If I was a vice girl I'd be getting worried about loose lips Slater running my main advertising source. Is this for real?

Hebe

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:00:28 +1300

Cameron Whaleoil now that he has been appointed editor of “Truth”.

An inspired choice for the editorship of the esteemed organ; they deserve each other. It could lead to some entertaining and vile scraps in print.

Truth once was the best-paid and laziest gig in New Zealand journalism. It used…

Russell Brown

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:30:51 +1300

The Have I Got News For You discussion of Savile is worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIx_b41wzbs

Russell Brown

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:26:18 +1300

I wonder how many BBCers Saville had by the short and curlies that meant nothing would be done about him?? Just sayin.

It was more subtle, and more pervasive, than that. He was a lot of people's meal ticket, for sure. But it's actually quite shocking the way the culture…

Paul Williams

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:19:24 +1300

Truth: an oxymoron, with a moron in charge,

ROLFnui!

Ross Mason

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:17:28 +1300

I wonder how many BBCers Saville had by the short and curlies that meant nothing would be done about him?? Just sayin.

Geoff Lealand

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:04:36 +1300

Truth: an oxymoron, with a moron in charge,

Good you have James H on board. I am involved with him and Grant Hannis on the NZ leg of the World Study of Journalists,

Islander

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:54:54 +1300

"Truth" – in it's earlier incarnations, was the only truly sleazy newsorgan in ANZ.
I am sure Whaleoil is going to do its traditions proud....

TracyMac

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:50:35 +1300

So I wonder how many axe-grinders in the guise of whistleblowers will be running off to Cameron Whaleoil now that he has been appointed editor of "Truth".

Public Address

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:50:34 +1300

Discussion from blog post.