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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						And in more media news, Murdoch possibly caught <a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rupert-murdoch-knew-sun-journalists-2023712" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">admitting he knew of bribery</a>, and heading for more trouble with the rozers?
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				<title>Whoops</title>
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						<p>Kind of related, but certainly eye-opening to see it laid out like this;</p><p><a href="http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention/</a></p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p><q>Does he actually have the powers he exercised?</q></p><p>He got the results he was looking for, so most evidently, he does...  </p><p>It's the same line of logic that claims the new laws don't give GCSB new powers... it just "clarifies" what they are already doing.</p><p>If you do something thats…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:51:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>a lot of email responses from ministers are now coming from @parliament.govt.nz addresses rather than the Ministerial Services mail system, presumably in a misguided attempt by the ministers to avoid those messages being exposed under the OIA </q></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Just like</a> that hero of the unprincipled, Karl Rove.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:11:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>What a mess.</q></p><p>Snowden’s only real hope at this point if he’s to continue blowing the whistle (ETA: given Russia's ultimatum) is military transport by a sympathetic country, which would be immune under diplomatic convention (ie: not starting a war) from interference by any country that was over-flown or landed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:10:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>the very political purpose of tracking down leaks to the press.</q></p><p>Indeed. It'd be one thing if it was the cops conducting a criminal investigation for the leaking of a classified report, and the PM's CoS ordered cooperation rather than demanding a warrant (though I suspect that, as a matter…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 15:53:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Wikileaks has just fired off a volley of tweets indicating that Snowden is seeking asylum from pretty much any country that might have him and a few that definitely won't: Austria, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Cuba, Nicaragua ...</p><p>What a mess.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 14:20:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<a href="http://wikileaks.org/Statement-from-Edward-Snowden-in.html?snow" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">statement from Snowden</a>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						Putin's condition on offering Snowden asylum is that he mustn't release any more information and thereby embarass Mr P in his relationship with his good friend Mr O :--)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 11:02:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>And meanwhile, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/putin-snowden-remain-russia-offer" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Snowden debacle rolls on</a>. He has now been obliged to seek asylum in Russia:</p><p><q>Russia maintains one of the world's most developed intelligence mechanisms and is widely believed to engage in snooping on its own citizens. In stark contrast to Russia's approach to Snowden, whom Putin likened…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 10:39:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I think, if parliamentary email records are being provided at the request of the PM's Chief of Staff, MPs have to assume they have no private communication (to be honest, they should be assuming this anyway, it is just the other people in the know are much more local than…</q>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 10:27:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Dubya confirms his status as an <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/george-bush-prism_n_3528249.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">easily-led dunce</a>.</p><p><q>"I put that program in place to protect the country. One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed"</q></p><p>It's only metadata, after all..</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2013 08:20:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p>I agree with Paul that the “we only hack all the non-US scumbags” is not all that comforting. Unlike Haroon Meer who wrote that post, NZers have already had our “Oh, we aren’t special …” moment with the ANZUS nuclear-free NZ kerfuffle, and the Rainbow Warrior bombing.</p><p>When I came…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 17:22:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>Because, in New Zealand, our traffic is read by the U.S. (and probably, I would speculate, Australia), I hope that the U.S. outrage with their own government spurs privacy measures that benefit the world. At the moment, encrypted email is still a messy, complex option for most people.<br />I think,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 17:05:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						One can't possibly comment, etc. :)
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>Echelon</q></p><p>Or in other words, we're already giving them all our traffic, so they don't need to put in effort to spy on us?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Greens <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Greens-lay-comlaint-over-leak-inquiry/tabid/1607/articleID/303351/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">complain to Ombudsman</a> about conduct of Henry leak inquiry.</p><p><q>Dr Norman said the issue was "very serious".</p><p>“The parliamentary server belongs to Parliament not the Executive. MPs control whether their email logs are released from the parliamentary server, not the Prime Minister’s office."</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2013 14:55:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Also the guardian published an article on potential European involvement in the whole thing, and then withdrew it. Someone kept it and has posted it here.</q></p><p>Total screw-up. They <a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42204_Guardian_Publishes_Then_Pulls_New_NSA_Bombshell_Story_Featuring_Birther_Wayne_Madsden" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">published and then unpublished the story online</a> – but it stayed as the front-page lead of The Observer’s printed edition.</p><p>The…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder what we did that makes us more "ally" than the Germans?</q></p><p>Echelon</p>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						All this hyper surveillance must surely be for 'commercial' information and advantage?  So-called 'terrorist' traffic apparently employs highly sophisticated 'both ends' encryption buried 'deep' below this regular surveillance radar.
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder what we did that makes us more “ally” than the Germans?</q></p><p>Not invade Poland :)</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>It's worth remembering these things for context.</q></p><p>Indeed. I remember thinking as the news broke that he'd flown to Russia that I wouldn't necessarily feel comfortable going through Russia carrying secrets about the NSA, and then when Snowden disappeared, I wondered if he was being "hosted" by the Russian Intelligence…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Also the guardian published an article on potential European involvement in the whole thing, and then withdrew it. Someone kept it and has posted it <a href="http://pastebin.com/Y3v01M4K" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Let's hope the Russkies, who apparently don't have an extradition treaty with the Yanks, will offer poor old Snowden sanctuary. Though I suspect Putin is wary of upsetting Uncle Sam ... refusing to co-operate over Syria is one thing but harbouring a US fugitive is something else.</q></p><p>I'd be hoping…</p>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						Let's hope the Russkies, who apparently don't have an extradition treaty with the Yanks, will offer poor old Snowden sanctuary.  Though I suspect Putin is wary of upsetting Uncle Sam ... refusing to co-operate over Syria is one thing but harbouring a US fugitive is something else.  I see on…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Orwell would be proud – big brother is watching</q><br /><a href="http://front404.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Happy Birthday George!</a><br /><em>well last Tuesday...</em></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>I doubt there is any legal basis for action (probably fine-print aplenty in the issuing agreement for parliamentary swipe cards), but I agree <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/06/journalist_swiped_cards.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">with David Farrar</a> that the constitutional implications are dodgy.</p><p><q>I think this was the wrong decision by The Parliamentary Service.</p><p>Actual employees of a parliamentary agency have…</q></p>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						<p>"It’s yet another element in an endlessly metastasising story that began with a change in the global surveillance climate..."</p><p>Aha! The perfect adjective for this story :) Although if  it is cancerous, it is only so to the intelligence apparatus and might be considered benign to civil society more generally.…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>One of the things about the NSA revelations is the agonizing the 'merkins are going through about whether they're being spied on ... while being told "we only spy on foreigners" ... in other words us ... </p><p><a href="https://medium.com/surveillance-state/f77088fd4c28" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This article</a> hits some of the hot buttons that I feel at the…</p>
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