Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Media3: PIF, Paralympics, and a journalist goes campaigning

Steve Barnes

Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:54:35 +1200

I’d agree with this, but think the real problem with the coverage is that it is UK-focused, and misses the NZ perspective and interest.

If only we had public tv ...
Oh, hang on...

Hilary Stace

Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:19:22 +1200

Just watched Saturday's Media3. Great programme and range of topics. Just a little comment about the fraught area of disability language. International usage tends to favour 'people first' language ie 'people with disabilities' as in the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. New Zealand usage in recent…

linger

Sun, 09 Sep 2012 15:19:24 +1200

Actually, that’s true of both the 2001 and 2011 surveys of children, so I should correct myself a little: the comparison seems to support “… a rise in overall recreational activity”, rather than specifically “… a rise in sports activity”.

Ross Mason

Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:45:05 +1200

More to the point Linger, the sports above are (careful here) real sports whereas the list yesterday included a lot of what most would call "recreation sports" as well.

linger

Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:43:41 +1200

By the way, what was up with the media angst yesterday (e.g. Paul Easton’s piece in the Dominion Post ) about soccer overtaking rugby in popularity among schoolkids (according to a survey from mid-2011)?

Firstly, why was this news?
As measured by NZ sports organisation membership in 2002-2003, soccer already…

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:25:22 +1200

Moreover, why this solution – an extreme position, entirely inconsistent with our history and one that we know from Australia does not work and causes immeasurable harm.

It's a political judgement, obviously. And given that they clearly aren't coming to NZ, the fact that it doesn't work and does harm…

Sacha

Fri, 07 Sep 2012 08:53:41 +1200

Clearly it doesn't rate and it doesn't make money

Apparently it is in the UK this time. Some figures about that on Media3 when it screens on Saturday morning.

Yamis

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:32:35 +1200

Cheers Ross, that was very enlightening.

I see there's been a bit more whingeing about the lack of coverage but despite the fact that I'm loathe to defend SKY, they have to make commercial decisions. People say they will watch more, or think that they will watch more but the…

Ross Mason

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:24:14 +1200

The Para coverage is a bit lacking and very short. Comments above about only seeing the goals in goalball is dead right. There is incredible skill listening for the ball and figuring out its direction before it arrives. The delivery guy skillfully and sliently trying to put off where it…

Geoff Lealand

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:00:45 +1200

Excellent Media3 record tonight. Watch for it on Saturday,

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:44:36 +1200

I had a quick look at UNHCR data and it looks like we’ve gone from circa 4,000 in 2000 to circa 2,000 last year. I think you have a point.

Raw numbers on their own are not necessarily as telling as at first glance. The refugee services website says we…

Hilary Stace

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:16:26 +1200

The highlights package is certainly not tailored for NZ – the other night they couldn't even get Cameron Leslie's name right. The Paralympics coverage is just insulting. I have been paying a huge sub to Sky for years and the one time I actually wanted to watch Sky Sport to…

Yamis

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:24:35 +1200

But the sports are interesting for a change – for example, goalball, and sitting volleyball (of all things)!

Yeah, my wife and I were joking that we'd be quite into the sitting volleyball because we're so bloody lazy :) We'd get smashed of course by the pros. My wife also…

FletcherB

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:42:30 +1200

Re- Paralympics coverage…

Is there ANY on free to air?

I dont have Sky but still got plenty of Olympics coverage on Prime and 1+3 News…

I hear on the RadioNZ news that we have 12+ medals, more than half gold, and I have yet to see a single awards…

Russell Brown

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:50:54 +1200

But the sports are interesting for a change – for example, goalball, and sitting volleyball (of all things)!

Wheelchair basketball is pretty awesome. They get amazing topspin on the ball to make it drop. I certainly prefer those games to the track and field and swimming.

Greg Sands

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:20:15 +1200

I watched about 20 mins of the highlights package last night and I'd say that that coverage is about right (it seems to be in 1 to 2 hour highlight package blocks). It was key games and medal moments and quite entertaining. If they were showing all of it I'd…

Sacha

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:19:01 +1200

Just like migrants are solely motivated by our headline personal tax rates.

Bart Janssen

Thu, 06 Sep 2012 10:52:33 +1200

ts a good idea to get this kind of draconian law in place

Because everyone knows all refugees make a point of checking the immigration laws before they board the boat.

DexterX

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:45:26 +1200

: He felt the urgent legislation was worthwhile because if the boatpeople had come to New Zealand under the old legislation and claimed refugee status, "it could have taken years to get rid of them."

No Just get them here, give them citizenship, pay them the minimum wage and the…

Russell Brown

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:56:21 +1200

Oh bugger. There isn’t going to be enough time to come to this as well as Late. And I know 3 of the panellists!

Well, I'm doing both, clearly. We're hoping to be done not long after 6pm. It's tight, but there's certainly time.

Yamis

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:21:48 +1200

We'll also be looking at Paralympics coverage — or, rather the lack of it —

I've heard from somebody who works at SKY that the reason they aren't showing it is because hardly anybody watches it. People talk about how we should be showing it but then they don't watch…

Jackie Clark

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:05:20 +1200

Oh bugger. There isn't going to be enough time to come to this as well as Late. And I know 3 of the panellists!

Joe Wylie

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:29:42 +1200

"We are better than that". Heh. Sorry, but that whole thing sounds like an exercise in self-congratulation and narcissism to me.
Perhaps the sentiment of the caller to Sydneys then 2BL, disgusted at Defence Minister Peter Reith's opportunistic beating up of the children overboard myth, would be more appropriate: "What…

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:30:34 +1200

If we really are so much better that that then perhaps we should be letting in a lot more refugees than the paltry numbers we do at present?

I had a quick look at UNHCR data and it looks like we've gone from circa 4,000 in 2000 to circa 2,000…

Dean Papa

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:53:30 +1200

"We are better than that". Heh. Sorry, but that whole thing sounds like an exercise in self-congratulation and narcissism to me. If we really are so much better that that then perhaps we should be letting in a lot more refugees than the paltry numbers we do at present? What…

Russell Brown

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:44:38 +1200

Thank you Ross. Those are useful links

Kumara Republic

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:43:52 +1200

I'd say the real reason for touting a solution looking for a problem is the same as that for drug-testing beneficiaries – Divide, Divert, Dehumanise. Bonus points if the "ghost boat people" happen to be Muslims.

Woomera on the Waitemata? Tui Billboard Moment.

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:27:34 +1200

13 years later, Nathan Guy can't even point to a boat? I wonder whether Hekia Parata is calling him saying, "don't rush to get too much media on this Nate".

Ross Mason

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:08:28 +1200

Hmmm...was this part of the act repealed in Nov 1999 after an election?????

And more here on knowledge before the amendments were put through....They were good these guys!!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12062

Ross Mason

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:23:55 +1200

Deja Vue......1999 Tuariki Delamere.....Who??? Ghosts in the night.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=8404

and nothing like saying it like it is from the good 'ol Libertarianz

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO9906/S00015.htm

The Alexandra II must have sunk.......no...it arrived in Papua New Guinea apparently (see 31) here

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:10:13 +1200

Its a good idea to get this kind of draconian law in place, because we emphatically do not want people to undertake 3000 + nm boat trips here in unseaworthy tubs.

Angus, if NZ has not had such boats arrive, and I agree your description, why might they now? Perhaps…

Sacha

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:56:52 +1200

Cos Indonesians pay heaps of attention to NZ laws. It's not the tough sea journey that puts them off.

Angus Robertson

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:41:03 +1200

The advice from Minister Guy, at the end of the story, is almost laughable. We've not had this problem but we need to be prepared for it. Precisely why?

Have you seen the boats used for people smuggling?

The boats are crap, the owners know the boats are going to…

Sacha

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:09:33 +1200

works for big tobacco, I mean small dairy owners

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:08:52 +1200

Working people are to be punished further and have the option of banishing themselves to Australia or elsewhere in the pursuit of a brighter future (for themselves).

I resemble that remark.

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:08:12 +1200

So we should await a contrived concerned citizens group too I suspect.

DexterX

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:08:06 +1200

Will the Immigration legislation be as effective as the Anti Terror legislation?
The Herald article – Immigration Minister Guy – "New Zealand has never had a "mass arrival" of asylum seekers".

We have a generation/work force leaving as economic refugees seeking asylum in Australia.

The wider (un) employment situation in…

Sacha

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:41:59 +1200

nothing like being paid twice for the same diversionary idea

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:17:42 +1200

crosby, textor

It's their suggestion to the Key government? Classic head-fake.

Sacha

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:52:57 +1200

one that we know from Australia

crosby, textor

Paul Williams

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:39:02 +1200

The Herald has a story on Tracey Barnett's campaign.

The advice from Minister Guy, at the end of the story, is almost laughable. We've not had this problem but we need to be prepared for it. Precisely why? Where's the official advice from Immigration suggesting this is a risk and…

Russell Brown

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:27:25 +1200

You might want to fact check the presales figures. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the 5,000 stat is accurate.

I wondered about that. Thanks.

Chris Bowden

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:17:55 +1200

You might want to fact check the presales figures. There seems to be some disagreement as to whether the 5,000 stat is accurate. See http://istwitterwrong.tumblr.com/post/30589859019/are-london-2012-paralympic-ticket-pre-sales-four, for example (apologies for my inability to post user friendly links)

Sacha

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:25:25 +1200

calls for effective subsidisation of the Solid Energy coal mine

That one seems interesting, yes.

Graham Dunster

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:16:49 +1200

I think it's great that someone with a profile is prepared to stand up and generate discussion on one of the many repressive government bills travelling through parliament.
In a similar vein, it would be great to see some journalistic interest in linking the calls for effective subsidisation of the…

Russell Brown

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:41:18 +1200

The Herald has a story on Tracey Barnett's campaign.

Public Address

Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:41:18 +1200

Discussion from blog post.