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Sacha

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:25:50 +1200

Thanks, James. Nice work.

James W

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:23:03 +1200

Hi Andrew,

No, no plans to continue the research. It was simply too time consuming to juggle with a full time job. I may do something similar in the future but nothing planned.

I think what you've noticed is what Currie admitted in the interview as the outcome of the…

Andrew Voerman

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:08:57 +1200

James,

Do you have any intention of continuing your research for this year?

My (unscientific) impression of the Herald is that after an initial 'improvement' to match the change in format, the front pages have become trashier more often in recent weeks.

Of course, I'm not seeing the front page…

Russell Brown

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:08:32 +1200

I’m the guy who did the ‘Selling the News’ infographic Shayne Currie was talking about on the show. I’m pleased he took the project in the way it was intended and was respectful of the results.

I was very impressed by his response. He took no convincing to come the…

James W

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:03:22 +1200

I should note if I get the time I'll add a new graphic to the site showing these results.

James W

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:54:28 +1200

I'm the guy who did the 'Selling the News' infographic Shayne Currie was talking about on the show. I'm pleased he took the project in the way it was intended and was respectful of the results.

As to his contention that the Herald had improved since the redesign, I went…

Euan Mason

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:26:08 +1200

Attachment

Just the facts…
We’re from the Government,
we’d like to help…

Yeah, my Mum sheepishly produced the "Sex and the adolescent boy" pamphlet when I was in my late teens. I appreciated the thought and care behind the gesture, and it was very funny to read the government's take…

Tim Michie

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:27:26 +1200

What, no 'Sex and the Grandparent'..?

Lucy Stewart

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:46:32 +1200

And, as pointed out by Ben and others, let’s not forget that it was not so long ago that girls of 13 and above were married off, pregnant and dead from complications at birth.

Western European society has been characterized by a high age of first marriage (mid-twenties) for some…

Luke Williamson

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:34:46 +1200

My daughter has just turned 15 and is in a group of friends who are all just turning 16 – young for her school year, etc. They are no more sexualised than the 15- to 16-year-old girls were when I was that age. As a group, they are high achievers…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:26:04 +1200

Just the facts…
We’re from the Government,
we’d like to help…

Stewart

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:50:51 +1200

Craig, you beat me to it on the "where are the parents" angle.

If parents were able/enlightened enough to discuss age-appropriate(?) sexual matters with their progeny from the get-go I think the children will be in a much better state to weather the 'sexualisation storm'.

Caveat: A non-breeder, but savvy…

Emma Hart

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:32:17 +1200

As Sacha notes, the Lizi Patch column is worth reading. It’s impossible not to feel sad at an 11 year-old boy losing his innocence – and knowing it – because he was pressured into watching a sexually violent and potentially abusive scene by his peers. I don’t think that’s irrational.…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:33:41 +1200

I’m about what’s appropriate messages for little kids to be hearing, and open discussion around that, and what they are seeing.

Sure – and I’m sorry to be that guy but where the fuck are the parents in all this? I’ve had the Big Gay Uncle discussion with the younglings…

Russell Brown

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:32:49 +1200

That would be bad enough, but teenagers in the US have been charged for taking photographs of themselves which then got distributed by others.

Which brings us to textbook examples of what not to do.

Russell Brown

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:30:55 +1200

Indeed. I wrote this a couple of years ago, and the rest of the posts in the Porn Tuesday series, partly because I was so tired of hearing that sexually-explicit material was something new.

As Sacha notes, the Lizi Patch column is worth reading. It’s impossible not to feel sad…

Lucy Stewart

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:27:38 +1200

"Sexualisation" of girls is a concept that buys into the idea that girls are not naturally sexual. Which is a lie. That paradigm is the same reason this debate always ignores the sexuality of boys: because all boys are total horndogs, all the time. Which is a lie.

OTOH, I…

Russell Brown

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:21:18 +1200

Heh, you might have to wait a couple of days given what else is on tomorrow night.

Of course.

"chris"

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:40:30 +1200

Parents like myself

I have a lot of respect for that approach Hebe. In my school homeroom, conversation was all about WWF and the NRL interrupted by impromptu wrestles.. it makes me kind of wish I'd had Ben's sexy friends, but that would probably have involved going to Catholic school…

Islander

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:30:36 +1200

Which I understand but seriously dont know about…

O! (forlorn) asexuals of the world! Dont mate! Just unite!

Islander

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:05:40 +1200

really don’t think this is the first moment in human history that we’ve been exposed to smut. Practically every discussion I had with other boys from the age of 11 through to 14 was on every aspect of sexuality we could imagine. I bet this wasn’t much different 20,000 years…

Emma Hart

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:55:53 +1200

I'm keen to see what you make of the show. I thought our two panelists were pretty high signal-to-noise at the recording tonight.

Heh, you might have to wait a couple of days given what else is on tomorrow night.

Russell Brown

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:52:46 +1200

I'm keen to see what you make of the show. I thought our two panelists were pretty high signal-to-noise at the recording tonight.

Emma Hart

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:32:28 +1200

Isn't the art of the ancient world jam packed with nudes?

Indeed. I wrote this a couple of years ago, and the rest of the posts in the Porn Tuesday series, partly because I was so tired of hearing that sexually-explicit material was something new.

There’s a tendency, when we’re…

BenWilson

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:17:20 +1200

"Sexualisation" of girls is a concept that buys into the idea that girls are not naturally sexual. Which is a lie.

I think it also cleverly packs in an idea that something has inherently changed, despite the fact that it's only recently in human history that people haven't been "sexualized"…

Jackie Clark

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:01:14 +1200

I agree totally with you. I am, in fact, embarking on helping one of my old students on her thesis, which is about this very subject. I'm not about censorship – I'm about what's appropriate messages for little kids to be hearing, and open discussion around that, and what they…

Emma Hart

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:37:25 +1200

Emma, Emma, wherefore art thou?

But y'all know what I'm going to say, right?

Hebe

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:13:05 +1200

You are right to be concerned Jackie. Parents like myself who do not allow their children open access to MSM culture until they have the tools to handle it and make informed choices are now considered strange.

"chris"

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:50:06 +1200

It definitely seems like a case of being caught somewhere between a rock and a hard place Jackie. Here in China, sex doesn’t officially exist, ever, except on the net. As such, kids are a lot more low key. Unfortunately sex will seldom be discussed within families either, but a…

Jackie Clark

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:42:59 +1200

These kids are three and four year olds – they already have body shame (somewhat of a culturally based thing), but I've also come across a few over the last few years having pashing sessions in hidey places. Kids will experiment, I' m not worried about that. But these aren't…

"chris"

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:40:32 +1200

I agree Jackie, the banal sensationalised sexualisation and a major thrust of the western media/ cultural sex obsession, is insidiously designed to appeal to the mental faculties of the preteen and those possessed as such.

ETA, that example works perfectly Ben ;)

BenWilson

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:20:39 +1200

But the only lyric the children hear is "Hey, sexy lady". And that's what they sing, over and over and over.

Which is the whole joke about Gangnam style. The song isn't even in English, they're picking out the line from the generic rap song, and mocking the sexualization. I…

Jackie Clark

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:12:57 +1200

I'm concerned about it. I've been concerned about it for the last 8 yrs or so. For me, the dreaded menace is the music videos. The sexualised dancing is noticeable. The singing of explicit lyrics by three year olds is noticeable. Whilst our girls – and by our, I mean…

BenWilson

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:59:14 +1200

Emma, Emma, wherefore art thou?

Sacha

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:44:03 +1200

The Lizi Patch article is worth a read.

Kumara Republic

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:18:48 +1200

Interesting how the focus still seems to be mainly on the sexuality of girls not boys. Hope you get to explore aspects like that. Sad I won’t be at the filming in person this week.

And how. Seems it's mostly about 'jailbait' and 'uncovered meat', and not much about 'young,…

Sacha

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:45:18 +1200

Interesting how the focus still seems to be mainly on the sexuality of girls not boys. Hope you get to explore aspects like that. Sad I won't be at the filming in person this week.

Public Address

Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:45:18 +1200

Discussion from blog post.