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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>But when you’re out of material and have to get to print, you rerun old stories.</q></p><p>So true.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 18:48:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>It works for a huge part of the readership who is feeling left out because essentially they voted National and haven't grasped that there's a good chance that more than half of the country has had enough of that and National swallowed up all the other options. Basically, they don't…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 18:36:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>How do we make the editors and producers who let such lies into print or on-screen accountable?</q></p><p>Time will take them from us, I think. It won't be long before everyone with fond memories of FPP is at least gone from any kind of political influence.</p><p><q>FFS, how can a…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:35:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q>How do we make the editors and producers who let such lies into print or on-screen accountable?</q></p><p>It's probably the media owners and politicians who should be accountable for making their cosy relationships explicit.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:12:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>That post-election coverage in full:</p><p>All five parties in Parliament: </p><p>"We will now proceed to form alignments, as promised to our respective voters. Two on each side, opposing each other, and one in between, negotiating. In other words, we will do exactly what we said we would do, before the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:09:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Before MMP, majority governments resulted from every FPP election in New Zealand from 1935 to 1993.</q></p><p>FFS, how can a senior journalist not grasp the basic concept of majority. </p><p>One of the reasons we ditched FPP was the way it allowed parties with a minority of votes to be the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:27:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>National Wear Your Heart On Your Sleeve Week – pt III</strong><br />I note that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11928090" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fran O'Sullivan</a> at least managed to not invoke the <em>'holding the country to ransom'</em> meme &ndash; she went straight for <strong>'tyranny'!</strong></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:17:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>You sure it wasn’t an indication of *who* they trust, more broadly? </q></p><p>No, I'm not sure. Demographic info was in the survey, but I've never had the time to look more closely. Multiple factors will contribute to distrusting internet banking, but I'd be willing to bet that age would be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:11:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Tbh, it seems crazy tense out there in the public square. I hope the weather’s good this weekend. </q></p><p>I was thinking about this last night. The insurgent left is increasingly on the march across the Angoshpere, and one of its defining characteristics is its rejection of third way centrism and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:28:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>What I found was that NZF voters were very hard to distinguish from Labour voters. The most dividing question was not (as I’d predicted beforehand) something to do with immigration or opinions on gays. It was whether the person trusted internet banking. This was pretty clearly a proxy question to…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:27:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I also think that Labour is likely to be aware of this. They're big enough that they get strong statistical analysis done. The question of the coalition is not how Labour can get along with NZF (that's been done before, for starters), it's how they can broker a relationship between…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:58:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						On the viability of a NZF/Labour/Green govt, I keep coming back to some research I did a few years back on the NZES, which was a properly conducted very large scale survey that tied actual votes to a large range of opinions. My project was to remove from the questions…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:40:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>National Wear Your Heart On Your Sleeve Week &ndash; pt II</strong><br />I see Duncan Garner has outed himself with this intemperate rant:<br /><a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/97391717/duncan-garner-the-megalomaniac-reigns-all-over-nationals-parade" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/97391717/duncan-garner-the-megalomaniac-reigns-all-over-nationals-parade</a></p><p>he adds unreasonable ignorance to the mix<br /><q>But right now it's all deja vu, which has turned into Peters and his daily verbal spew. It's been a…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 10:31:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I'd like to see journalism activities regulated more explicitly, given that the media industry has shown us quite clearly now that it cannot be trusted to keep to basic ethical standards.</q></p><p>I've said it before, but what NZ needs is to bring Justices Leveson &amp; Finkelstein here to chair a Royal…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 04:08:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q>Trust and respect – for the politician with some of the most offensive views.</q></p><p>Tell you what, when I lived in England many decades ago the two politicians I had the greatest respect for were Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. From hearing them talk (a lot!) I have no doubt…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:01:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p><q>Still, Joe Public has had the opinion that all politicians are liars for a long time. So no amount of being offended is ever going to be effective in stopping elections being won by good liars, right?</q></p><p>I don’t think Honesty is easily defined. The mechanism of easy definement is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:58:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>...the pros do it best. </q></p><p>Rather doubtful in this case. When someone feels the need to big-note their work online it only raises the probability that they got the job because they were cheap.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:54:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>That’s hard to square with her suddenly claiming she trusts and respects Peters. </q></p><p>Why do you say that?  He proved himself trustworthy with the Clark/Cullen administration.</p><p>No one is talking about it &ndash; so I'll add it to the mix.</p><p>Winston Peters as Prime Minister &ndash; Ardern and Shaw as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:49:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dennis Frank</title>
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						Huh.  Reading Glen Jameson's defense of National's ads & various responses from critics seems much ado about nothing.  Political attack ads get made by ad agencies because advertising is propaganda & the pros do it best.  What's all this about expecting ads to tell the truth??  If the left really wanted that…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:40:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p><q>I would hope that all the members of parliament respect one and other.</q></p><p>I don’t recall her saying this prior to the election.</p><p>Trust and respect – for the politician with some of the most offensive views.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:28:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>Ad hominem doesn’t qualify as an argument either, Tom — but at least you have the balls to put your name to your unsubstantiated slur.</em></p><p>I was merely observing that one can’t count on an idiot engaging in rational behaviour.</q></p><p>To be fair, I'll have a nicer weekend if people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 18:54:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p><q>One of the best statements made on election night was, David Parker I think – who pointed out that Jacinda was the only Prime Ministerial candidate who came out with her integrity intact.</q></p><p>That's hard to square with her suddenly claiming she trusts and respects Peters. And no back down…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 18:02:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Our expectation is the media has the role of bringing truth to bear on the state.</q></p><p>I'd like to see journalism activities regulated more explicitly, given that the media industry has shown us quite clearly now that it cannot be trusted to keep to basic ethical standards.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:54:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The swing towards Labour was one of the biggest in NZ political history &ndash; 14% in some electorates &ndash; but we didn't hear much about that from the analysts because they didn't win.
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>NZ just fell for it.</q></p><p>It doesn’t feel that way to me. The swing was most certainly toward Labour. The Nats (and their coalition partners) were the biggest losers to my mind.</p><p>One of the best statements made on election night was, David Parker I think – who pointed out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:16:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						I'm with you on that.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:09:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    two track dirty politics</p><p>but this time it only needed one track &ndash; which most media obediently followed.</q></p><p>Our expectation is the media has the role of bringing truth to bear on the state.</p><p>Sadly there are few media now where that is true and for those who did stand…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:43:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>two track dirty politics</q></p><p>but this time it only needed one track &ndash; which most media obediently followed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:31:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I have never seen so much blatant lying in a New Zealand election. Nor such lack of accountability for the liars. So the message is that lying and deceit wins. This behaviour also turns tentative or new voters off participation in the election as it reinforces stereotypes of politicians as…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:06:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						I've long argued that "putting bracket creep right" should be accomplished by actually moving the bracket boundaries (say, on five-yearly review, and quantized to nearest $10,000 increment), <em>not</em> by lowering the associated tax rates to make the system less progressive and/or out of ideological belief that government should do less.
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						The ACT belief that tax on <em>unrealised</em> income somehow counts as a <em>real</em> loss was also displayed by Muriel Newman a few years after all the NZ finance company collapses. In a <em>DomPost</em> letter to the editor, she argued that, because she had received no final income from her investments,…
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Irony alert.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Ad hominem doesn't qualify as an argument either, Tom — but at least you have the balls to put your name to your unsubstantiated slur.</q></p><p>I was merely observing that one can't count on an idiot engaging in rational behaviour.</p>
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						<p>Thanks for the clarification. </p><p>I do hope some future government looks at the issue and then passes legislation, if appropriate, that indexes the tax brackets to the rate of inflation so that 'putting bracket creep right' can no longer be used as an election bribe.  Time we stopped focusing electoral…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>But Jenna Raeburn's presentation as some sort of commentator when she was literally part of the National campaign has been absurd.</q></p><p>TheSpinoff did much the same thing with <a href="https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2017/labours-crude-water-tax-is-a-kick-in-the-guts-for-nz-farmers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this piece on irrigation</a>.</p><p>Duncan Grieve needs to make up his mind. Either theSpinoff wants to be taken seriously for it's journalism,…</p>
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						Re-checked. I'm actually wrong, and GJ is essentially correct on that point, though not in the consequent insistence that the commercial wasn't deliberately misleading. The "income tax" claim is misleading for a different (though similar negative counterfactual) reason — that the tax cut law has not yet come into effect,…
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						<p><strong>Is it 'National Wear Your Heart On Your Sleeve Week'?</strong><br /><a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/97322212/janine-starks-kiwisaver-investors-would-be-better-off-under-another-national-government" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Janine Starks: Winston Peters, go blue for KiwiSavers</a><br /><q> OPINION: Dear Winston. Let's be upfront. I care about money. You care about people. And most people care about money, so that's what links us.<br />Another admission; I'd like you to choose…</q></p>
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						<p><q>But Jenna Raeburn's presentation as some sort of commentator when she was literally part of the National campaign has been absurd.</q></p><p>Raeburn is coveting Matthew Hooton's seat. She sounds just like Kellyanne Conway, complete with all the "alternative facts".</p>
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						<p>In some ways it's nice to be reminded that those here are indeed a good group of human beings. The contrast is obvious.</p><p>When someone comes in and displays a lack of empathy and self serving dishonesty it's a healthy reminder that our society has problems that in many ways…</p>
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						<p><q>Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you're effectively endorsing them. I wouldn't have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.</p><p>Kumura, you're a coward. At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight.</q></p><p>Someone's a bit triggered. And it's certainly…</p>
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						<p><q>Mirrored as well in BE election night speech with its repeated, repeated, repeated reference to 'strong and stable' government.</q></p><p>Which itself was a carbon copy of Theresa May's post-Brexit snap election remarks. Whenever I hear "strong &amp; stable", it comes out as, "arrogant &amp; uninspired".</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>That runners ad is such a good visual representation of these assumptions.</q></p><p>And in addition to the points made, I thought it reflected how stale/bereft of new ideas the National party had become. It looked to me to be a low budget, poorly executed re-hash of the 2014 rowers ad.…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Hutt South was a hard seat for Labour to win after the latest boundary changes. Ginny Andersen ran a great campaign and she could win it next time. I heard different things to you about what was happening on the ground. So I was not surprised that the hijacker of…
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						Thank you Mrs Pledger. I should no longer be surprised at the lack of self-reflection or understanding of those not like them, by many on the political right. Eugenics is about the 'fit' and the 'unfit'. It is also about power and oppression and who gets to hand out those…
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Glenn, I think you may have missed this comment by linger, earlier in the thread:</p><p><q>no, as written, the National tax cut law expires automatically. National would have to act to extend it. Labour wouldn’t have to do a thing to remove it.</q></p><p>Did you get it wrong?</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Please don't ban him. Keep providing the rope.  It's going to be a slow news week in politics, so it might well interest some in the media to know that National's lying (sorry, <em>masterful</em>) ad campaign came from the furthest reaches of far right.</q></p><p>Calling a woman hysterical is effectively…</p>
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						<p><q>your pool was as shallow</q><br />Thats the mirage effect at work. Sunlight glistening on those tranquil waters gives the illusion, to shills, they can just swan dive in and the waters will part gracefully.</p><p>Just like National thinks it can shit all over anyone, but their shit doesnt give off…</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>Chris McDowall’s infographic of booth data is extremely interesting. </q></p><p>Thanks for the link. Particularly interesting to look at the booths on the various uni campuses.</p>
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						<p>Glenn Jameson, said:<br />>>> Mr Pledger...</p><p>mpledger said:<br />>>... my correct appellation is Dr in the professional setting and Mrs in <br />>> the public. But then I am not surprised you got it wrong.</p><p>Glenn Jameson, said:<br />> Dr Mpledger, you'd do well to check your own hysterical umbrage. <br />>…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>and this analysis of the actual figures:</q></p><p>Chris McDowall's <a href="https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-09-2017/interactive-mapping-every-booths-votes-from-the-2017-general-election/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">infographic of booth data</a> is extremely interesting. (Also: beautifully and very quickly executed. The man's a marvel.)</p><p>After we talked about it on Twitter he gave me a little peek at a follow-up in the works which shows the swing at…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Guyon Espiner does quite well in the distorting reality stakes as well.<br />This morning I hear him talking about the special votes maybe giving Labour and the Greens <em>'more legitimacy'</em> &ndash; I don't think legitimacy is a 'scaled beast', something either is,  or isn't, legitimate &ndash; and 61 seats is…</p>
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						<p><q>Trevor Mallard being an embarrassment again, basically.</q><br />&ndash; 'Jibber-Jabber' in the Hutt...?<br /><a href="http://www.inafarawaygalaxy.com/2014/05/jabba-hutt-quotes-starwars-return-of-jedi.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> "You weak minded fool! He’s using an old Jedi mind trick."</a></p><p>:- )</p>
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						<p><q>*written by the PR Partner of Chris Bishop – who is himself yet another Big Tobacco acolyte – like Todd Barclay – who has passed through the revolving door of service in Gerry Brownlee’s office and overseas corporate death peddlers.</q></p><p>I actually have quite a bit of time for Chris…</p>
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						<p><strong>I bathe in a golden halo of excited photons!</strong><br /><q>At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight</q><br />Well, thanks for that &ndash; but I'd call it 'creating context' rather than 'trolling'.<br />I like to know what's going on in the shadows, and with people who joyfully prop up a regime that…</p>
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						<p><q>Details of Labour’s taxes may be found on their website [euphemistic quotes mine]:</q></p><p>Nice work not pointing to your actual citations. </p><p><q>Alcohol, *Petrol* and Tobacco “Levies”</q></p><p>What it actually says on the page called <a href="http://www.labour.org.nz/tax" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Labour’s tax plan</a> is: __"Alcohol, Petrol and Tobacco Levies – will be adjusted as per normal…</p>
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						<p><q>Not sure how you arrived at a “eugenicist vibe” on the Runners ad, when a third of the team featured a Maori family.</q></p><p>Oh, I don't know – maybe the part about the sick and weakly being left in the dirt while Team Teal thunders by.  Even if the victors…</p>
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						<p><q>Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you’re effectively endorsing them. I wouldn’t have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.</q></p><p>You came in the the discussion without declaring a direct personal interest, which seems a bit disingenuous. It's…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						<p>Russel Brown, by letting these exhaustive personal attacks go on without moderation, you're effectively endorsing them. I wouldn't have dipped in here if I knew your pool was as shallow as this.</p><p>Kumura, you're a coward. At least Dalziel trolled in the daylight.</p>
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						<p><q>And my correct appellation is Dr in the professional setting and Mrs in the public . But then I am not surprised you got it wrong.</q></p><p>Dr Mpledger, you'd do well to check your own hysterical umbrage. Expecting someone to deduce you're a woman without displaying a first name, with…</p>
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						<p><q>*how* is the ad wrong? Nobody seems keen on refuting it</q></p><p>You just want someone to prove your ad wrong? Within your confines ... sheeez We've been playing that game for centuries.<br />If you are in the advertising business you should know its all in the presentation. And well... about…</p>
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						<p><q>Please don't ban him. Keep providing the rope. It's going to be a slow news week in politics, so it might well interest some in the media to know that National's lying (sorry, masterful) ad campaign came from the furthest reaches of far right.</q></p><p>This. Here's some more fun for…</p>
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						Please don't ban him. Keep providing the rope. It's going to be a slow news week in politics, so it might well interest some in the media to know that National's lying (sorry, <em>masterful</em>) ad campaign came from the furthest reaches of far right.
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						<p>FYI, he has some history with the now-defunct Libertarianz.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_lists_in_the_New_Zealand_general_election,_1996#Libertarianz" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">1996 Libertarianz party list</a></p><p><a href="http://www.solopassion.com/node/5287" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.solopassion.com/node/5287</a> (I read that site so you don't have to)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 23:51:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>hysterical </q><br />Nice to see that I'm not the only one wondering what's happened to PAS's usually vigilant moderators. As the late Kim Fowley used to say, small boys got no part in this hustle.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 23:16:42 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>So, the post about hysterical thinking just slipped your mind.    </p><p>And my correct appellation is Dr in the professional setting and Mrs in the public .</p><p>But then I am not surprised you got it wrong.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:58:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Mr Pledger, not the first woman I've faced in an election, and I assure you I attacked Helen's policies just as hard as Jacinda's, and neither woman themselves.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 21:38:11 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Glenn Jameson said<br />Russell, do any of your followers know how to the play the ball instead of the man?</p><p>~<br />Do you?</p><p>'cause you were pretty vile towards the first women you came up against.   </p><p>You set the tone yourself.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 21:04:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Russell, do any of your followers know how to the play the ball instead of the man?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:58:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Epic trolling, Dalziel. If you were to complete my quote you'd see that it was in response to the latter half of the first quote. A lie by omission. The rest appears to be another, more exhaustive Logical Fallacy.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:41:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Re National attack ad and its creator</strong><br /><q>(SG) The aim was to mislead, and it worked.<br /><em> (GJ) It certainly did</em> </q><br />Nice work if you can get it.<br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156810921829569&amp;set=a.148050389568.132340.794439568&amp;type=3&amp;theater" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156810921829569&amp;set=a.148050389568.132340.794439568&amp;type=3&amp;theater</a><br />I'm sure it was all just received information and used in good faith &ndash; much like mr Jameson's passing on of anti…</p>
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						You’re welcome, William. Just to clarify: no ponytails were abused in the making of the commercial, the five-legged racers aren’t lame in the disabled sense, rather hobbled by their inherent enmity toward one another, and “Nigel no mates” outnumbers the Laboureens by six seats and need fewer friends than Jacindy…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:29:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						You have made me look beyond the social Darwinism of the ponytail pulling ad 'Glenn Jameson', I can now see what the five legged race was meant to mean. It is an analogy for how minor parties are knobbled by coalition with a larger one as has been clearly illustrated…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 19:18:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						If you read past the first sentence, Simon, you'll see the argument corroborated in detail, with references cut and pasted from Labour's own website.
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>You keep referring to a solitary TV3 soundbite as if it were the last word, the tablets of stone, the verdict that shall not be appealed. Such desperation is almost touching.</p><p>The fact that you have to ignore all other commentary in all other media (including that cited on this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:44:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Five of the six claims were deemed “FAIR” on the 6pm TV3 News (15/09/17). The fourth claim, Income Tax, was deemed “FAKE.” They’re wrong. With the exception of Labour, all parties <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11864098" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> voted to pass</a> the law to lower income tax last May. It’s law. Labour’s plan to “reverse” the tax…
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						<p>Glenn's doing us all a service, really. You expect this kind of argument ("blind Labour voters") on Kiwiblog and other homes of the frothing Right, but National have played deniability for years. Separating their nasty followers on the fringe from the nice sensible Nats who we can totally trust.</p><p>Now…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:03:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						That would be the claim you made without mentioning your own connection to the subject and without providing any other source? ("TV3 says" is not a source: who did that analysis?). Lawyer Steven Price, who helped prepare the case against the campaign, has <a href="https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/21-09-2017/the-bsa-decision-on-lets-tax-this-says-to-political-parties-lie-all-you-like/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">listed his points of disagreement very explicitly</a>…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:12:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Andin, *how* is the ad wrong? Nobody seems keen on refuting it. Like an adult.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:06:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> Because it’s all true.</q></p><p>You are pathologically wrong. Carry on like this and you'll resemble a Trumpian.<br />Maybe you secretly desire that.<br />Using a real name doesnt mean you arent a troll, as you generously demonstrate.<br />Unintentionally for sure. <br />Tho the bridge you have chosen for your hidey-hole , is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:01:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Ad hominem doesn't qualify as an argument either, Tom — but at least you have the balls to put your name to your unsubstantiated slur.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Cowards troll from anonymity, Kumara Republic.</q></p><p>Stupid cowards however can be relied upon to be stupid cowards, and therefore unlikely to heed such advice.</p>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Pro-tip for you Mr Linger: if you're going to refute a claim, "Not true!" doesn't qualify as an argument.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:49:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						Cowards troll from anonymity, Kumara Republic.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:43:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Pro-tip: when you end a claim to truth with a smiley (this is the third time in as many posts), don't be surprised if nobody believes you.
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						<p><q>Lies lies and more lies AFATECS<br />Did that actually go to air?<br />I’d be seeking legal advice</q></p><p>It did. No problemo. Because it's all true. Perhaps you should've looked at Jacinda's policies before you blindly voted for her. :)</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>He means he voted National and is upset they won't be able to do whatever they want for the next three years. He owns like six houses, man, what if there's a CGT? Trouble! That's what.</p><p>&mdash;</p><p>9 possible governments? I count more.</p><p>National &ndash; NZF coalition.<br />National minority, NZF…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:26:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Of course <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11927007" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mike Hosking knows best about 'systems'</a><br />(WARNING: Contains Mike Hosking!)<br /><q>MMP is like all systems. It works okay on a good day but it's a shambles on a bad one.<br />My fear with Winston is we are in for three years of comparative trouble given we've had 18 years…</q></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>we don’t talk about the first law of thermodynamics.</q><br />A lot like Governments, thermodynamic systems are generally regarded as being open, closed or isolated.</p>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p><q>Greentropy?</q></p><p>The first law of thermodynamics; we don't talk about the first law of thermodynamics.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Dining on the neoliberal diet for decades does jade the senses.</q><br /><strong>Greentropy?</strong><br />Everything must go green!<br />;- )</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Oh, nearly forgot:</p><p><a href="http://www.maoritelevision.com/tv/shows/media-take/S04E016/media-take-series-4-episode-16" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This week’s episode</a>.</p><p>And <a href="http://www.maoritelevision.com/tv/shows/media-take/S04E016/media-take-series-4-episode-16-open-floor" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the bonus korero</a>.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Silly me – while it’s not exactly Epsom, the Labour candidate (whoever she was) actually got close to the Nat.</q></p><p>Helen White. She's very good.</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>I think only putting Jacinda  up on the ads played against Labour &ndash; at least it did locally, for me, in my Auckland Central electorate.</p><p>Last time I gritted my teeth and voted for Ardern, as she actually had a shot at unseating that horrible National MP (first and only…</p>
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						It’s there in Rand’s own (en)title(ment): grabbing what you can for yourself is a “virtue”, and so handouts are apparently “immoral” only for the government to provide, not for you to take. Not hypocritical at <em>all</em>, oh no; merely fundamentally wrong about the relationship between society and individual.
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						<p><q>Most libertarians tend to ignore the fact that their hero Ayn (government handouts are "immoral") Rand, actually spent her latter years on a government benefit. Not many people know that.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/ayn-rand-social-security/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Confirmed by Snopes.com</a>.</p>
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						<p><q>Not that you would know how to gauge that because you most likely have a shit moral compass when it comes to what you do for a living.</q></p><p>I'm sure you're an accomplished TVC director Glenn, but you give the impression that you've had a few too many and stumbled…</p>
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						<p><q>OOOooo so Glenn(thanx KR) are you one of the advertising peeps responsible for Nationals campaign?</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10530636" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Presented without comment</a>:</p><p>__The Business Herald understands that a key creative talent for the Nats is Glenn Jameson, a creative director at the freelance advertising bureau The Pond, and who has an impressive CV working in…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> emotional reaction</q></p><p>Yes cause god forbid you show anything resembling a feeling, because to the fucked up minds who wheel out this shit that would mean you have lost the argument.<br />Dining on the neoliberal diet for decades does jade the senses. But I guess these well-heeled cretins have developed…</p>
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						<p>Certainly GJ thinks misleading the public is funny. <br />Trolling for emotional reaction is basically the job description <br />— so let’s <em>not</em> do that.</p>
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						<p>OOOooo so Glenn(thanx KR) are you one of the advertising peeps responsible for Nationals campaign? And within the narrow confines in which you operate those campaigns are considered "legal".<br />Yeah I put that in scare quotes because while they may not actually break laws they are morally repugnant. Not that…</p>
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						BTW Glenn, how's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11850691" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">that Eminem case</a> going?
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						What would you spend your tax cuts on, #3...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:15:19 +1300</pubDate>
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						What would you spend your tax cuts on, #2...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:10:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						What would you spend your tax cuts on, #1...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:10:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>It certainly did — it forced Jacinda to take Capital Gains off the table. :)</q></p><p>Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might actually get it.</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>entirely accurate</q></p><p>Lies lies and more lies AFATECS <br />Did that actually go to air?<br />I'd  be seeking legal advice</p>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						<a href="https://youtu.be/s9pmXtG2jr8 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> The follow up commercial</a> dealt with the flip-flop, was entirely accurate, and even funnier.  :D
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:23:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						It certainly did — it forced Jacinda to take Capital Gains off the table.  :)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:15:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						It's 30 years since the Willie Horton ads, so I think wheeling out the defence of "they only mean exactly what they say, honest guv" was stale a very long time ago. No, it doesn't say "family home", it just wants the viewer to say "family home", etc. The aim…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:37:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p>While I have a lot of time for <a href="http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/economic_plan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NZ First's economic priorities</a> and hope the party goes with Labour and the Greens, Peters has been unusually combative in his  <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/339374/the-leader-interview-winston-peters" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">recent media appearances</a>.</p><p>I hope Peters finds a way to strike a different balance &ndash; presumably every interview is an opportunity…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:59:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						<q> The runners ad was an obvious representation of Social Darwinism. A monochromatic group of the ‘fit’ run past and knock over a group of diverse and multi-coloured people who are tied up and thus disabled by society. The fit (or privileged) run on, the disabled (the ‘other’) fall over and…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:54:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						No, the tax cut I’m referring to is the one that comes into effect from April 1. Labour will have to pass a new bill to raise it to the pre-law threshold.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:44:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>I really, really wish the media would spend the time until all votes are counted doing something productive, like educating people on how MMP actually works. Endless and pointless speculation wastes a valuable resource &ndash; column centimetres and broadcast minutes (and people's attention).<br />There's plenty of other stories out there…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:04:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						The moral predicament for the Greens might not be deciding or not to go with National but whether they should pull the plug on Peters being in a centre Left govt.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:33:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>It’s all tiresome theatre from Peters but on occasion his rants speak a certain truth – about him and his priorities.</q></p><p>And most importantly, he points out the fact that as yet 15% of the NZ electorate votes have not been counted.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:29:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p>That's very odd, Peters was genuinely angry. He's got both major parties paying homage to his amazing abilities and claiming how they were always his mate. </p><p>But he's all aggrieved and it doesn't look like an act.</p>
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				<title>Neil</title>
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						<p>I thought it telling Peters singled out Gower.</p><p>I'm not sure what Gower said was accurate or not but Peters doesn't want any hint of him being personally motivated. </p><p>It's all tiresome theatre from Peters but on occasion his rants speak a certain truth &ndash; about him and his priorities.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:38:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NZLabourParty/videos/10155023355161452/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Speaking of Facebook</a>, Jacinda has kept up this sort of excellent social media since the election. She is of a generation that instinctively understands the requirements of social fil as a medium; I hope her and Labour keep this sort of every day post going. It is very powerful.
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The runners ad was an obvious representation of Social Darwinism. A monochromatic  group of the 'fit' run past and knock over a group of diverse and multi-coloured people who are tied up and thus disabled by society. The fit (or privileged) run on, the disabled (the 'other') fall over and…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:20:15 +1300</pubDate>
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						<q>in fact,</q>no, as written, the National tax cut law expires automatically. National would have to act to extend it. Labour wouldn't have to do a thing to remove it.
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				<title>Glenn Jameson</title>
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						<p><q>The first was a version of National’s “Let’s Tax This”… was as wilfully misleading as every other iteration of the campaign…"</q></p><p>Not according to TV3, which did a frame-by-frame fact check, determining it: “FAIR, FAIR, FAIR, FAKE, FAIR, &amp; FAIR.”</p><p>And the frame they deemed “Fake” was also, in fact, fair.…</p>
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				<title>Martin Brown</title>
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						I'm an advertising type ( sorry) and yet much of the comms from both sides passed me by because I don't tend to see much TV &ndash; I did see the lame runners ad ( creepy) but only on social, and mainly spoofs. I saw Jacinda's car-ride spot on an…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Which was clearly a decision, and maybe inevitable. She was money.</q></p><p>Sure, but it still feels like there was two campaigns going on &mdash; and if Little had been rolled a month or two eariler, the joins might not have been quite so obvious.  </p><p><q>but he was terrible in debates…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The only face out there around here was Ardern's.</q></p><p>Which was clearly a decision, and maybe inevitable. She was money.</p><p>And I think it's fair to say she didn't get a lot of value from her deputy. I have a lot of respect for Kelvin Davis – he strikes me…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>But it took too long to produce this video of Michael Cullen talking about Labour's record in government and there was a sense that the creative vitality with which Labour began its campaign had not sustained.</q></p><p>And seriously, it was the only Labour campaign video that wasn't wall to wall…</p>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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						NZF "had enough" rant now removed from youtube. Link?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:50:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>He believes both authorities got it very wrong. I think had either considered complaints about commercial communications structured this way, the threshold might well have been met. It comes down to how you see political speech at the peak of an election campaign.</q></p><p>I wonder whether these rulings are able…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:30:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>What Labour should have gone with, and I did say this before the election, was a tax *cut*.</p><p>$50 a week in everyone's pay packet in the form of a $10k personal tax allowance, paid for by capital gains tax on landlords, making companies pay a fair rate of tax…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						An excerpt from tonight's show: <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/97239198/media-take-national-labour-election-adverts-failed-to-fire" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ben Thomas and Bob Harvey on the two big party campaigns</a>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:47:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>As in the US, facebook is the battleground now. So cheap to produce, change, and target. <br />And yeah, National were more nimble, vicious and (sorry) clever in how they advertised (and ran talking points strategy to match &ndash; it was a joined-up effort.) <br />Labour were also a little tied up…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:31:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p><q> it became very difficult to see which party was saying what to who</q></p><p>Since the only broadcast media I get is free of advertising, this seems very apt.</p><p>The miracle of target messaging comes at the cost of ... unified messaging! Which means, it's only a short step from sophisticated…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:07:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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