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Ross Mason

Sun, 17 Aug 2014 09:01:44 +1200

Ugandan Homosexual "Reform"

Ross Mason

Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:35:59 +1200

Oliver's "The Wealth Gap Story" is great

Ross Mason

Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:12:04 +1200

Maybe we need some of this on our TV?

John Oliver's "Last Week Tonight"?

What the success of “Last Week Tonight” suggests, on a deeper level, is that American television viewers may finally be tired of the frantic bombast generated by the Stimulation Media.

What’s more, after years…

Sacha

Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:49:22 +1200

thank you

Brent Jackson

Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:17:38 +1200

Follow on thread is here

Paul Campbell

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:49:17 +1200

yes he said that when Slater was obnoxious about that kid who'd died on the West Coast, calling him "feral", someone DDOS''d whaileoil in retaliation, taking a copy of ALL their email in the process ..... some time later it was dumped in Nicky's lap and he's done the research…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:42:41 +1200

Yes!
Hager has the goods!
Dirty Politics, the new book from author and investigative journalist Nicky Hager, will feature leaked emails between Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater and one of John Key's press secretaries.
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It reportedly features leaked communications between National Party figures and right-wing blogger Cameron Slater.
...
He said…

stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:03:01 +1200

Village between Leeds and Bradford, handy for the airport :)

Nice crematorium too.

Enjoy! :)

Kumara Republic

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:48:07 +1200

Funny. I see right wingers complaining about their left-wingeryness.

You mean the likes of Redbaiter and Trevor Loudon, who think everyone's a Commie until proven otherwise?

CRobinson

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:30:09 +1200

I watched the show last night Russell, and wasn´t all that impressed with Sean´s question to you: Don´t they have the right to feel the way they do? (ie be offended by the supposed Hitler Youth rally) This is a pernicious and slippery argument. If someone tells a lie, and…

Russell Brown

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:34:15 +1200

Here's last night's show on-demand.

Russell Brown

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:33:40 +1200

Basically, Radio Live and Newstalk ZB are allowed to run 24/7 right-wingery, so long as they don’t actually use the words “Vote National”.

Funny. I see right wingers complaining about their left-wingeryness.

I think objectively it would be plain impossible to describe Newstalk ZB's daytime output as left-wing. The line…

Pete George

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 06:12:06 +1200

Basically, Radio Live and Newstalk ZB are allowed to run 24/7 right-wingery, so long as they don’t actually use the words “Vote National”.

Funny. I see right wingers complaining about their left-wingeryness.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:05:03 +1200

I prefer my journalists intelligent and with a smidgen of integrity, and my news informative and balanced. She's a hard road finding it in this country.

The best we can do in the circumstances is to starve the infotainment beast, one boycott at a time.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:03:03 +1200

I'm seriously thinking about hiding an FM transmitter with a car battery in a building or park somewhere, tuning it to a free guardband frequency and broadcasting the John Key song on an endless loop until the electoral commission track it down.

Don't let anyone stop you from doing so.…

Rebecca Williams

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:56:53 +1200

Positivism has nowt to do wi' it :)

I prefer my journalists intelligent and with a smidgen of integrity, and my news informative and balanced. She's a hard road finding it in this country.

Rebecca Williams

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:50:07 +1200

*Rawdon ... Speaking of typos.

Ross Mason

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:22:03 +1200

Can’t stand the man.

That is not in the spirit of positivism!

But who the hell would call their kid Rawdin. Welldone maybe but raw? Bad parent!

Rebecca Williams

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:18:18 +1200

Rawdin Christie deserved a dressing down, not to mention a decent haircut. Can't stand the man.

Rob Stowell

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:46:20 +1200

I’m seriously thinking about hiding an FM transmitter with a car battery in a building or park somewhere, tuning it to a free guardband frequency and broadcasting the John Key song on an endless loop until the electoral commission track it down.

Plan!

The idea is to confess afterwards, under…

Russell Brown

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:48:02 +1200

Plan!

Russell Brown

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:47:12 +1200

But by my reading of the Electoral Act, it shouldn’t be “banned” anyway.

It's the Broadcasting Act. Don't make me cite the section ...

All it should require is that when the song’s finished the DJ should say “And that was Darren Jones PO Box 555 Auckland, with his new…

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:14:59 +1200

But by my reading of the Electoral Act, it shouldn't be "banned" anyway. All it should require is that when the song's finished the DJ should say "And that was Darren Jones PO Box 555 Auckland, with his new song 'Planet Key'", and that would satisfy the requirements of the…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:04:35 +1200

There are rules around broadcast media during the campaign period and they're being applied

Basically, Radio Live and Newstalk ZB are allowed to run 24/7 right-wingery, so long as they don't actually use the words "Vote National". Fox News is allowed to broadcast "fair and balanced" content on Sky Channel…

Russell Brown

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:54:14 +1200

And it seems now political satire is under attack
Darren Watson’s video Planet Key apparently cannot be played by the media.

I don't really have a problem with this. There are rules around broadcast media during the campaign period and they're being applied. The video can be played on the…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:05:21 +1200

Parish the thought...
... enjoying my new impression of ‘exaggerate’ as
eggsacurate – parts of it were excellent!
But didn’t manage to crack it....
I like it...
ya gotta watch those double yolkers, though!

;- )

Bart Janssen

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:55:35 +1200

But maybe the Electoral Commission is confused

That's a high degree of confusion. I suspect it will be a tortured reading of the law that essentially comes down to "don't make fun of nice Mr Key".

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:35:21 +1200

If that turns out to be true, then there's something seriously wrong with the system. But maybe the Electoral Commission is confused and thinks it's promoting the National Party?

Sacha

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:34:20 +1200

nothing personal, just think some may not have spotted the quiet option

Marc C

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:17:01 +1200

From Russell's post, quote:
"Don’t these experienced journalists get that they’re being fed this stuff in a deliberate fashion? More to the point, don’t they read my blog? At any rate, Harre tore strips off Christie, who, as someone observed on Twitter, looked like he might cry."

With Twitter tweets…

Russell Brown

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:01:52 +1200

Wasn’t meaning to needle Russell.

Oh, I know. No problem.

ChrisW

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:47:32 +1200

There's something in that too, thanks.
Wasn't meaning to needle Russell. I'm very susceptible to the double letter typos myself and was just enjoying my new impression of 'exaggerate' as eggsacurate – parts of it were excellent!
But didn't manage to crack it as IanD might.

Bart Janssen

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:38:43 +1200

And it seems now political satire is under attack
Darren Watson's video Planet Key apparently cannot be played by the media.

Sacha

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:32:23 +1200

Psst, we can always email Russell (via that envelope icon on each comment he posts) if we spot typos. He fixes them too.

Russell Brown

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:49:08 +1200

And I see something of an ina-curate curate’s egg there

Gizza break. We have no spellcheck in our CMS and I wrote two posts before going to my morning meeting at the day job! Fixed now.

ChrisW

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:40:57 +1200

(and I really only slightly exagerrate there)
And I see something of an ina-curate curate’s egg there
(with thanks for Rich Lock’s refresher. Worth following the link for Punch’s swansong updating of the curate’s statement – “This f***ing egg’s off”.

Sacha

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:26:59 +1200

Christie’s defence was effectively that it seemed like it might be true and it was up to Harre to “clarify” it.

Don’t these experienced journalists get that they’re being fed this stuff in a deliberate fashion?

The ‘news’ culture he is part of seems to believe it is Harre’s job…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:02:33 +1200

Rawdon Christie is an entertainer not a journalist. I was disappointed that he interviewed laila harre this morning when corin dann who has muxh better journalistic credentialls was right there in the studio. It certainly shows how tvnz prioritizes infotainment over serious content.

TVNZ has been a public broadcaster in…

Joe Wylie

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:56:19 +1200

Isn’t that the LBJ Playbook?

As the old saying goes, If you’re explaining, you’re losing. Or, more pungently, there’s the (possibly true!) story about LBJ spreading a rumor that his opponent was a pig-f*cker. Aide: “Lyndon, you know he doesn’t do that!” Johnson: “I know. I just want to make…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:47:53 +1200

...fishing for sound bites, not information.
"Espiner: putting the 'chum' in chump change"

or is it more....
"Whitebaiting – frothing at the mouth"

Sacha

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:43:58 +1200

If you’re denying then you don’t have any time to communicate positively.

About time media started reporting where these smears are coming from, and whose interests they serve.

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:42:38 +1200

Christie’s defence was effectively that it seemed like it might be true and it was up to Harre to “clarify” it.
Isn't that the LBJ Playbook?
As the old saying goes, If you're explaining, you're losing. Or, more pungently, there's the (possibly true!) story about LBJ spreading a rumor that…

Sacha

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:42:03 +1200

For a commercial broadcaster like TVNZ, it’s about ‘brand’ rather than journalism. Hence Hosking being involved in any way in a political debate show.

If media industry regulation was compulsory and serious, a good few ‘journalists’ might be held accountable for not doing their job. I’d welcome them and those…

matthew

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:35:36 +1200

Rob Stowell

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:08:51 +1200

Sick to death of the blather about 'dirty politics'. Since that apparently includes strategic voting (god forbid a party think strategically?) it's become a completely meaningless term (Thanks, Mr Gower.)
"F8ck Whomeva" and burning in effigy are neither new nor especially scandalous except to the naive and hyperbolic. (Certainly not…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:26:53 +1200

No, they do not do basic research.

I don't believe that.

I believe they see the opportunity to increase their ratings and providing they don't make themselves vulnerable to legal action the media can and will say whatever the hell they think will get the ratings.

Pete George

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:24:09 +1200

The big news from the electorate meeting in Kumeu last night was that, despite all the talking up in advance by media, there were "no fireworks", it was "disappointing" to k=mainly talk about local electorate issues etc etc.

Last election media pushed and pushed before Key made his big mistake…

Stephen Judd

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:06:16 +1200

Don’t these experienced journalists get that they’re being fed this stuff in a deliberate fashion?

They don’t care. Political bias aside, controversy is fun, facts are boring, and politics is basically gossip with uglier celebrities.

Yes, I really think that.

(Added later) The entertainment side of the business has taken…

George Darroch

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:04:56 +1200

To answer your questions: No, they do not do basic research.

Public Address

Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:04:56 +1200

Discussion from blog post.