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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						Hey as a born n bred Westie, whats your thoughts on Outrageous Fortune? More or less accurate/insulting than umm... Savage Honeymoon?
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Course not, it'd be renamed after someone more appropriate. possibly a famous old boy. Or maybe after a famous local &ndash; pick a famous Westie to name a school after...<br />My pick &ndash; The Sheldon Woolridge School Of Rock</p></blockquote><p>As a born and bred Westie let me suggest "Lion Red…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:15:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JohnS</title>
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						<p>I would have thought the logic was obvious. Temporary seating as required for Eden Park. Pay for it from sale of tickets. Pull the temporary lot down afterwards and there is no change of impact for the Mt Eden residents around this stadium.</p><p>No need for the ratepayers, or government,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:06:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So then Rutherford College in West Auckland would simply become "College" ?</p></blockquote><p>I suspect changing all those signs and letterheads would be way too expensive for a school these days.</p><p>They'll just be henceforth known as named after Ken Rutherford, NZ cricket batsman and captain who's on field performances never…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:31:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So then Rutherford College in West Auckland would simply become "College" ?</p></blockquote><p>Course not, it'd be renamed after someone more appropriate. possibly a famous old boy. Or maybe after a famous local &ndash; pick a famous Westie to name a school after...<br />My pick &ndash; The Sheldon Woolridge School Of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						So then Rutherford College in West Auckland would simply become "College" ?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:14:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						<p><em>And we should disown Ernest Rutherford for his role in Hiroshima.</em></p><p>Hmm, yes  think my sarcasm went unnoticed in suggesting Hager should be invoiced for the CCS.  Besides wouldn't be much point in disowning Rutherford, most people probably think he's Australian...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:11:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joel Zwartz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>DoC have installed CCS cameras in the few remaining natuve stands left. That must've been expensive, maybe someone should invoice Nicky Hager?</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>I saw that and couldn't help but chuckle; unintended consequences and all that.</p></blockquote><p>And we should disown Ernest Rutherford for his role in Hiroshima.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:03:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>I'd like to see shrek shorn in the middle of Eden park during play in the WC final in 2011.</p><p>Anybody see Mr Brown on morning TV today just before 8?  I did cos I slept in and my 10 week old was trying to tell me something but I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:58:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Woah! I want some of the drugs that Craig is on. He put 'critical acuity' and 'mainstream media' in the same sentence!</p></blockquote><p>Just to back up myself here. The front cover of today's Otago Daily Times:</p><p><a href="http://www.odt.co.nz/article.php?refid=2006,11,29,1,00102,5ca41c08cde67f6781bf069ba8fe2be3&amp;sect=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.odt.co.nz/article.php?refid=2006,11,29,1,00102,5ca41c08cde67f6781bf069ba8fe2be3&amp;sect=0</a></p><p>Or on stuff:</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3881855a10,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3881855a10,00.html</a></p><p>Yes, we have icebergs off the coast, and people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Getting things belatedly back on topic, can I gauge the <br />response to scuttlebut from the Beltway that came my<br />way when I bumped into my friend the Tory Faghag* coming<br />out of Unity with her copy of THM recently? </p><p>"Oooh Craig. Did you hear the rumours? CIS is about to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:38:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>Morning Manakura, I saw that and couldn't help but chuckle; unintended consequences and all that.</p><p>Have a good one.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:37:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						<p>Is anyone else noticing a pattern in posts of people who have managed to get themselves a copy of the book?</p><p>Also the late ed. of One news tonight ran a story on how illegal milling of native rakai is getting so bad that DoC have installed CCS cameras in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:59:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Speaking of mistakes in <em>The Hollow Men</em>, I finally got my copy today and yet to even get to the first chapter come across this (sorry if someone else has already mentioned it):</p><blockquote><p>Acknowledgments<br />...Steven Price for legal advice, Anna Rogers  as editor, Anna Rogers as Editor, Peter Dorn...</p></blockquote><p>Kinda…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:25:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						<p>Sorry this is way of topic but goddam its about time:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&amp;ObjectID=10412818" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&amp;ObjectID=10412818</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:45:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						<p>My favouite bit from the article in The Australian:</p><blockquote><p>To start, the liberal press and the Labour Party immediately condemned him as a racist &ndash; this despite the fact his second wife of 15 years was Chinese.</p></blockquote><p>Thats fantastic 'logic' there... roughly the same as concluding that all men who…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:27:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Kyle Matthews wrote:<br /><em>Woah! I want some of the drugs that Craig is on. He put 'critical acuity' and 'mainstream media' in the same sentence!</em></p><p>*sigh*  Well, if you're a manic-depressive with high blood pressure and tediously regular migraines you may well be.  (Some Swiss drug company is doing very…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:56:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Hager is not a fraud, as Michael Bassett would have it. The material, as usual, is sound – but the conclusions he draws from it can be wanting, and there’s evidence of some sloppiness in his secondary research (by which I mean the example above and the misattribution of Russell’s…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:43:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kent  Parker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Found this rather interesting political obituary for DB in yesterdays Australian. <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20825340-7583,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20825340-7583,00.html</a></p></blockquote><p>a quote from said text:<br />"Perhaps, though, he'd (Brash) simply had enough of the political spotlight. Certainly he intends to stay on past the next election and will almost certainly be the next finance minister should National win."…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>James Dolman wrote:<br /><em>Do you also put your fingers in your ears and chant "na, na, na" when anyone mentions it?</em></p><p>No, James, but I suspect you don't get the serious point behind <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Smithl" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sudney Smith</a>'s tart witticism, "I never read a book before reviewing it; it prejudices a man so."</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:26:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						Hi Joel, I don't disagree at all, I definitely do have an axe to grind.  My family was largely spared mention in Secrets and Lies, but I suspect there are people named in this book going through a pretty gut-wrenching experience; most of them people who are far less cynical,…
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						<p>Hager also cites me in 'The Hollow Men'; in the chapter on the media's uncritical acceptance of National’s sloganeering. The date and title, and the one (yes, one) word he quotes from the column are correct. That’s about it.</p><p>He quotes the one word (“striking”) from an NBR column in…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Found this rather interesting political obituary for DB in yesterdays Australian. <br />Who would have know what greatness we had in our midst, what fools we all are ;-)</p></blockquote><p>James Allan feels no need to actually verify what he says. Take this:</p><blockquote><p>While Labour's been in government, New Zealand's growth has…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:13:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>While we're posting interesting links, here's one that I hadn't seen until last week when I was recalling that whole sorry saga.  I have no links whatsover with the author, who appears to be a former TWC employee or similar.</p><p><a href="http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/beech/papers/secrets.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/beech/papers/secrets.htm</a></p>
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				<title>Joel Zwartz</title>
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						<p>Nick Bryant: Whoah! You've clearly got an axe (chainsaw?) to grind about Hager's treatment of Shandwick. Two things:</p><p>1) PRINZ did not find that Hager's claims in the book were incorrect, rather that their actions didn't breach industry codes. This says more about the weakness of PRINZ, and the strength…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>I look forward to any such "speculation" being critically tested and examined by the very media outlets who I think it's fair comment to say haven't done so this far. Being a muckraker with an agenda is one thing &ndash; and not a class without precedent or honour in the…</blockquote>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>Hi Russell,</p><p>I struggled with whether to put in some sort of disclaimer when I posted but decided against because my effort was really to provide background to Hager writing the book.  Since you raise it, when it comes to Shandwick's work for Timberlands I can only vouch for any…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Hmmm ... went and refreshed my memory of the Shandwick complaint:</p><p>Hager's response:</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0105/S00067.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0105/S00067.htm</a></p><p>Shandwick's response:</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0105/S00065.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0105/S00065.htm</a></p><p>I think we can agree that the whole thing was a mess on the part of PRINZ, especially if, as Hager maintains, three quarters of his complaint was legalled out on a technicality…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<blockquote><p>we should have a measure of care for the people living around Eden Park because, they're like y'know, humans and all...</p></blockquote><p>Yep, but there are a whole lot of humans who live quite happily in noisier, shadier environments than Eden Park could ever be, and who don't feel like spoiling…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Out of multiple reviews into complaints against Shandwick only one tangible thing stuck. Rennie posed the question: was it unethical of Shandwick to label Native Forest Action members "extremists" in correspondence to newspapers on its client's behalf. The Public Relations Institute, in an appallingly gutless decision decided it was and…</blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Honiss</title>
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						<p>Found this rather interesting political obituary for DB in yesterdays Australian.  <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20825340-7583,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20825340-7583,00.html</a> </p><p>Who would have know what greatness we had in our midst, what fools we all are ;-)</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They won, you lost, eat that.</p></blockquote><p>I have happilly eaten it. So has the Government, from what I read. Given the $250 million shortfall in Eden park funding surely it would have been remiss of them *not* to look at alternatives, and quickly. </p><p>As an Auckland ratepayer it is now…</p>
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				<title>James Doleman</title>
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						<p>"And while I'm not going to comment on a book I haven't read (and won't for a long time, if at all"</p><p>Do you also put your fingers in your ears and chant "na, na, na" when anyone mentions it?</p>
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				<title>Kris W</title>
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						<p>Well, I'm not sure, _"what exactly...Sean Plunket mean to say when he signed off his first, slightly tetchy, interview with John Key"_</p><p>But I was even more puzzled by Mr Key's mention of his 'values' speech, and the emphasis given when he said, "which I've written myself". </p><p>I really don't…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Don Christie wrote:<br /><em>It does seem to me that a considerable segement of naysayers (with some honourable exceptions) were more concerned about giving Mallard and Clark a slap in the face than with what would be good for Auckland and NZ.</em></p><p>Yes, Don, just as I think a 'considerable segment'…</p>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>Manakura,</p><p>I attempted to make it clear that my criticisms weren't of Hager's book on Brash and National &ndash; I've only flicked through it and the letter was the view of my more eloquent father &ndash; rather Hager's credibility given that following a drawn-out process of independent review in 2000…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Russell Brown wrote:<br /><em>Aw, c'mon Craig. It wasn't petulant, it was salient. There was endless reporting of the holes in the waterfront proposal and very little about the problem with Eden Park.</em></p><p>Weill, not wanting to get into a furious comparison of column inches I guess the proposal you've been…</p>
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						<p>I'm interested in criticism of 'Secrets and Lies': is anyone saying that Coast Action Network <em>wasn't</em> a creation of Shandwick and Timberlands?</p><p>Shandwick is a dreadful outfit. I first encountered them during stories I did for Computerworld on the Mondex e-cash shemozzle that the major New Zealand banks bought into.…</p>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						Sagenz, we should have a measure of care for the people living around Eden Park because, they're like y'know, humans and all... besides they form a powerful lobby that can and do restrict the activities that are allowed to occur at Eden Park, i.e. only 25 night of use per…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Russell &ndash; do you think that the fact hager got 2 out of 3 things wrong with regards to hard news is any indication that there might be other errors in the book? Or do you think those were the only ones.</p></blockquote><p>That was why I made a point of…</p>
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						<p>Nick said:</p><blockquote><p>On Hager &ndash; and in offering the letter below I'm not saying his book isn't illuminating in a number of regards ...</p></blockquote><p>Which it is. I'm already noticing points where he bridges gaps with possibly unwarranted speculation, and I'm wondering how many lurid ways he'll find to describe…</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Russell &ndash; do you think that the fact hager got 2 out of 3 things wrong with regards to hard news is any indication that there might be other errors in the book? Or do you think those were the only ones.</p></blockquote><p>The errors were understandable. Several of us are…</p>
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						<p>the viaduct has been a great place to go boozing for years now.  why would you want to move along the waterfront when the viaduct has it all?</p><p>Aucklanders were smart enough to realise they would end up paying the $1.5bn plus it would cost.</p><p>eden park trust has 2…</p>
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				<title>Joel Zwartz</title>
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						<p><em>That is the heritage of Hager, who consumes the stolen wholemeal ingredients of the contest of ideas, and by assertion and innuendo disgorges them as the waste of the rumen.</em></p><p>In other words, the honourable PR company hasn't had a chance to cook those ingredients ice and package them so…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Manakura &ndash; there were plenty Aucklanders in support of the waterfront, maybe not the majority but not a number so tiny it could easily be rounded to zero as the ARC seem to have done.</p><blockquote><p>The irony is that Mallard and co saw no problem with steamrolling a massive project</p></blockquote><p>…</p>
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				<title>Manakura</title>
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						<p>Nick, nice letter, but would be better if it actually substantiated its criticisms with... y'know, concrete examples or evidence.  Not saying Hager isn't trouble, just that the letter doesn't go anywhere in proving it.</p><p>Speaking of letters, has anyone read Hone Harawira's open letter of farewell to Dr Brash?  </p><p>[[…</p>
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				<title>Sara Bee</title>
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						Don, clearly there wasn't one supporter of the waterfront option amongst the ARC, otherwise they would have voted for it.  True some may have had vague support for the idea only to be pressured into a no vote, but then that shows the conviction wasnae that strong in the first…
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>Agree, it sounded odd but listening to it again I do think that's what Sean meant.</p><p>On Hager &ndash; and in offering the letter below I'm not saying his book isn't illuminating in a number of regards &ndash; I rather liked the summing up of his modis operandi penned by…</p>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p>Yebbutnobbutitsays:</p><blockquote><p>The focus now is on paying for the $385 million Eden Park upgrade, particularly after Mr Mallard did a u-turn on introducing bed and departure taxes to take the load off Auckland ratepayers, who are already facing big rates rises.</p></blockquote><p>Is that $385 million a firm, blowout-proof figure? Could…</p>
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				<title>John Francis Logan</title>
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						Now that the Waterfront option is out of the way the drawbacks with Eden Park are becoming obvious.  Spare a thought for the poor buggers who live nearby &mdash; the enormity of the building (did someone mention 15 storeys?), the shading (and depreciation) of properties, parking, noise, vomiting louts, et…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And perhaps RB knows this too and his currently having a laugh at my expense for having taken the time to explain it? If so, I'm only too happy to have fallen for it.</p></blockquote><p>No, I was genuinely puzzled. Perhaps you're right, but it sounded bloody odd.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As opposed to the waterfront stadium where nobody had a clue how far shy it was of being paid for and the MO boiled down to 'trust us, and we'll sort out the budget later'? Sorry, Russell, but let's leave the badly repressed petulence to Trevor Mallard.</p></blockquote><p>Aw, c'mon Craig.…</p>
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						<p>I think clearly (though I haven't heard the whole interview &ndash; just the soundbite &ndash; so I don't know how "tetchy" it was) that Plunket was just cramming too many words into the sign-off.  </p><p>"Unfortunately," as I heard it, referred to Key not being prepared to discuss what he'd be…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>David Slack &ndash; my thoughts exactly. And as for the ARC, what a bunch of mealie mouth wallies. Time to front up with some solid cash to support their "unanimous" decision. Otherwise, it looks like they just want to conveniently dump on everyone else.</p><p>How did they get to be…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...A feature of the wider story in The Hollow Men is the way the same characters turn up over and again, often in different guises and almost invariably not being honest about their motives or their funding..."</p><p> People have a right to their opinion, and a right to express it.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>it's nearly a quarter of a billion dollars shy of being paid for</p></blockquote><p><quiet voice>how much to do the temporary seating and bill a decent chunk of it to the promoters?</quiet voice></p>
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						<p><em>Okay, no more waterfront stadium &ndash; so everyone can stop pretending there isn't a major problem with the Eden Park plan: it's nearly a quarter of a billion dollars shy of being paid for</em></p><p>As opposed to the waterfront stadium where nobody had a clue how far shy it was…</p>
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						<p>Keeping out of the political debate can I just make one comment on the article.</p><blockquote><p>Business Roundtable, a pro-business pressure group.</p></blockquote><p>As a businessman and part owner and director of a medium sized operation let me assure you that I have <strong>never</strong> considered the BRT to be "pro-business". In New…</p>
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