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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thanks for chipping in here.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2018 14:58:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tonkin+Taylor</title>
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						<p>Hey just wanted to say we didn't delete our post &ndash; it's still there but the link is breaking everytime we post a new Q+A. <br />Which seems rather appropriate given the information that's come forward about the adhoc efficacy/presence of cycle box sensors. <br />You can still see post/photo at the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2018 13:16:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						I'm seeing a lot of e-assist cargo bikes round here, where the "extra 20kg" is 10kg of power assist and 10kg of bigger bike. It's kinda cool to see the school run done on a bike, but there's no way you could replace that with a road bike to go…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2018 14:47:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I don’t necessarily believe the number should be 25 kph but I do think it’s reasonable to expect e-bikes on bike paths to be going a “reasonable speed”. Figuring out how to achieve a legislation that will achieve that might be fun since the definition of reasonable is variable and…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2018 11:51:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>20 kgs sounds awfully high just for the electricals. Even the heavier “Dutch-style” bikes are under 30 kgs total minus panniers, with sportier models at around 60% of that weight.</q></p><p>Yeah, the extra wear is also to do with the additional force. It can mess up the wheels if you're…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2018 11:48:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Not impossible if the power is diverted to propellers, though the end result would barely be recognisable as a bicycle, cf. the entirely human-powered <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacCready_Gossamer_Albatross" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gossamer Albatross</a> in 1979.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2018 23:57:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>to be going a “reasonable speed”</q><br />What speed does one need to be going to create lift on a wing surface?<br />Hmmm, I guess if the wheels aren't touching the ground there is no forward thrust &ndash; damn &ndash; there goes my dreams of e-bike powered flight &ndash; as you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2018 22:41:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>As a side note we discovered that one consequence of having the extra 20 kgs of battery and motor on the e-bike is that the disk brakes wear a bit faster than you would normally expect &ndash; worth checking the brake pads earlier than you would normally.</q></p><p>20 kgs sounds…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2018 19:25:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Interestingly if you buy an e-bike designed for Europe it will cut the assist at 25 kph as standard.</p><p>Our experience with such a bike is that it really does everything you want from an e-bike, unless of course you really want to go fast in which case a good…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2018 17:20:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						Ha, kind of sums up the past decade; just paint.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2018 11:06:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="https://electricbikesnz.com/2018/05/15/whats-happening-on-legislation-in-nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">New post from Bazza</a> on what appears to be a bit of a fear campaign by some retailers:</p><p><q>Here is what I believe to be true, from reliable sources:</p><p>There is currently no progress on LEV legislation at NZTA (Light electric vehicles include ebikes). This might start up again next…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 18:52:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alice Ronald</title>
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						One reason I like Portland boxes is that you can generally count on them to have a bike sensor loop. A few weeks ago I watched as a pair of cyclists waited patiently on the pedestrian crossing between a Portland box and the car stopping area. It took over a…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 17:07:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Zach Bagnall</title>
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						Really wish there <em>was</em> a standard symbol indicating a bike loop. I had to jump a red light for the first time on a dual carriageway last weekend. Waited over a minute for a green light with no effect, no pedestrian button option &ndash; and this on a freshly sealed…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 15:54:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Burnett</title>
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						I had my AA membership before I got my learners :)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 07:57:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p><q>Possibly an idiot question, but given what “AA” actually stands for, it’s not immediately obvious: how can one become an AA member if only a cyclist without any driver’s license?</q></p><p>I suspect anyone that pays the fee will get a membership?  They don't ask to see your license as far…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 23:04:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						P.S. As it happens, my main bike got stolen from home two weeks ago. Like most mechanical contrivances my father has had a hand in, it was assembled from odd second-hand parts, repurposed materials, and a considerable amount of luck, but somehow it stayed on the road for decades, and…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 17:15:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Possibly an idiot question, but given what "AA" actually stands for, it's not immediately obvious: how can one become an AA member if <em>only</em> a cyclist without any driver's license?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 16:53:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Zach Bagnall</title>
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						<p>AA giddy with excitement at the prospect of more motorized vehicles: <q>It is something other motoring clubs are doing overseas</q> Actually my overseas motoring club covers <em>all</em> bicycles not just electric ones. Why extend benefits to one group of cyclists and exclude others?</p><p>A stranded (AA-card-carrying) cyclist is a stranded…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 15:16:58 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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