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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						What's scarier is that it's very easy to see the parallels between the situation in the US and the situation in NZ. Our levels of inequality are increasing, but heaven forfend that one dares suggest that this is anything other than a harmonious ode to diligent work and the triumph…
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Given the English translation of the Glory of our Underpaid Workers. Here, via <a href="http://www.aldaily.com/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Arts and Letters Daily</a>, is <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/05/top-one-percent-201105?currentPage=all " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Joseph Stiglitz</a> Vanity Fair version of events.</p><p>Scarily scarily, I say unto you.</p><p>But it makes you wonder, why would these Pollies DO this to their country? Are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:40:38 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Section 92a! IT LIVES!</p><p>Time to dust off the blackout avatars again, methinks.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:46:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						If America was here, he;d have voided the Sherman anti-trust act by decree.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:39:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, WTF is <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/4882838/Law-to-fight-internet-piracy-rushed-through" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this?</a></p><p>Apparently every time you download a song, someone in christchurch has to poop in a bucket.</p><p>Anyone with the legal brain want to tell me how this rushed through legislation varies from the earlier attempts at the same?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:36:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>could be against WTO rules.</q></p><p>Classic. Says a lot about this this government's disdain for notions like "independent":</p><p><q>One part of the legislation allegedly breaching the trade accords is the "regulatory holiday", which removes Commerce Commission oversight of the UFB network until the end of 2019.</p><p>Under the planned law,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:17:57 +1200</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world-trade-organisation/news/article.cfm?o_id=251&amp;objectid=10714058" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Prostetnic Vogon Joyce's telco proposal could be against WTO rules</a>. If this was America, he'd be up against the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:12:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>“Yes Sir, I am now but I was a policy analyst by training and you know how tough times are”</q></p><p>That's a good point. A lot of the residents of 180 Molesworth Street aren't holders of "the office of Constable", they're analysts and various other support functionaries required to keep…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:02:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Ok so I wanted to do some revision on the copyright thread, which I mostly missed at the time, but all the links to it (including from the original article) point to this – which I don’t think is it.</q></p><p>Heh. Let me get that fixed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:27:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>You mean like when the head of Mainfreight suggests that Police National HQ should be closed down and the residents distributed to the front line? What’s scary is that the likes of Joyce listen to such men.</q></p><p>None of them would dream of running their private bureaucracies without a head…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:46:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> once all the useless bureaucrats were stripped of their exalted positions and sent out with the rank and file.</q></p><p>I can see it now…<br />Scene: Road side pullover,<br />Officer; “Good evening Sir can I see your documentation pertaining to your qualification to engage in the practice of driving?”<br />Driver: “What?”…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:26:59 +1200</pubDate>
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						<q>For the last 20mumble years we have had the neocons tell us that if wages drop we will become more competitive. And if I am not mistaken, after all this time this is the first any of them have the gall to say we have finally reached it and isn't…</q>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:51:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q> When business is the only agenda in society we all suffer, eventually</q></p><p>You mean like when the head of Mainfreight suggests that <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/basic-criteria/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Police National HQ</a> should be closed down and the residents distributed to the front line? What’s scary is that the likes of Joyce <em>listen to</em> such men.</p><p>I…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4871115/Political-briefs-Monday-April-11 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Yesterday Bill English said</a> that:</p><blockquote><p>having wages 30 per cent behind Australia's was an "advantage" in luring jobs and capital here.</p></blockquote><p>For the last 20mumble years we have had the neocons tell us that if wages drop we will become more competitive. And if I am not mistaken,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						Ok so I wanted to do some revision on the copyright thread, which I mostly missed at the time, but all the links to it (including from the original article) point to <a href="http://publicaddress.net/intent/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> &ndash; which I don't think is it.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:56:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>A lot of commercial contracts have a clause that voids them if one party enters liquidation/bankruptcy. I wonder whether spectrum licenses do </q></p><p>A search of the <a href="http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Radio Spectrum Management site</a> for "liquidation" proves fruitless, as does reading their policies.</p><p>Of course an <em>on-to-it</em> Opposition would have asked this by now.…</p>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						I think Bryan Gould's opinion piece in today's NZ Herald also applies to all the various debates above. When business is the only agenda in society we all suffer, eventually. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10718631" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10718631</a>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>Only as a last resort would they auction off assets and spectrum </q></p><p>A lot of commercial contracts have a clause that voids them if one party enters liquidation/bankruptcy. I wonder whether spectrum licenses do (or whether, in keeping with the mug-punter approach of the NZ government generally, they forgot).</p>
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						<p>Apologies if this is the wrong forum. </p><p>As for the case above was settled and the lady has been snapped up by a larger company but I've heard of other abuses too.</p>
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						<p>Dear Russell,</p><p>I haven't been a reader since the Hobbit debate. I have to be honest in that I didn't really understand what was going on with it and nothing I read gave me a clearer understanding. Everyone was very emotive and involved.</p><p>I've since spoken to people I know…</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>Joyce took a paper to Cabinet arguing that unless they got a deal, they would default on their payments and go into liquidation.</q></p><p>And possibly Joyce was motivated by a desire to do a favour for his old business. But what of the rest of Cabinet? Why should they care?…</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						Umm, yeah, Steve, I wasn't responding to any particular article.  It was more of a general observation.  If anything, it was following on from <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2976/?p=209328#post209328" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nzlemming's post</a>, earlier.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						They are not merely incompetent, they are sub-Prime.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Stick up for the reptilian ones if you wish</q></p><p>How is saying they are incompetent 'sticking up for' them?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I think we should be clear that having an evil-enrich-your-mates-who-donate-to-your-party-and-screw-the-poor agenda is not mutually exclusive of being incompetent-and-not-very-bright.</q></p><p>But it is in terms of caring for yourself and your cohorts and not giving a shit about others, a survivalist mode. Very un-evolved, which was the point of the article.<br />Stick…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						I think we should be clear that having an evil-enrich-your-mates-who-donate-to-your-party-and-screw-the-poor agenda is not mutually exclusive of being incompetent-and-not-very-bright.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Yet they are still supporters?</q></p><p>no, they are not</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Do I see a divide between the ‘old economy’ and the ‘new economy’ here?</q></p><p>Very good point. This government certainly operates on an old ideology that looks at failed policies to achieve outdated  results.<br />Who knows, will the new economy have a more realistic attitude to the, so called, [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10718630 |…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Actually, if you look at who Tuanz represents, it’s some of the biggest companies in the land. And they’re really unhappy with Joyce.</q></p><p>Do I see a divide between the 'old economy' and the 'new economy' here?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>That list should also not include <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/72635/surveillance-plane-monitors-oil-exploration-protest " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Petrobras</a><br />John Key sends in the Hired Goons.<br /><q>An Air Force Orion has been observing a protest flotilla in the sea off East Cape at the request of police.</p><p>The surveillance plane was sent after the Government asked police to monitor the…</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Other lists of companies that may lose out somewhere are the likes of Fulton Hogan</q></p><p>Doh!!!<br />What I meant to say was "Other lists of companies that may lose out somewhere <strong>would not include</strong>  the likes of Fulton Hogan..."<br />I don't know how I slipped up that badly.<br />:-$</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Sensible business people are also unimpressed by the way this government are behaving</q></p><p>Yet they are still supporters?<br />Deluded fools.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s not that black or white. Sensible business people are also unimpressed by the way this government are behaving, as Russell notes</q></p><p>Last time, it got to the point where NBR ran an editorial <em>endorsing Labour policy</em> on local loop unbundling.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I do wonder if Joyce’s dictatorial style is going to come back and bite him at some point.</q></p><p>Dictators overrate their ability to bargain. Businesses see them as a soft touch &ndash; you only need to convince one person, so you just do a full-court-press on them. Not many people…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Every other supporter</q></p><p>It's not that black or white. Sensible business people are also unimpressed by the way this government are behaving, as Russell notes.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Actually, if you look at who Tuanz represents, it’s some of the biggest companies in the land. And they’re really unhappy with Joyce.</q></p><p>You will notice, of course, that that list does not include Telecom. Other lists of companies that may lose out somewhere are the likes of Fulton Hogan…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>if “They” include their business mates</em></p><p>isn’t that the point</q></p><p>Actually, if you look at who Tuanz represents, it’s some of the biggest companies in the land. And they’re <em>really</em> unhappy with Joyce.</p>
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						<p><q>if "They" include their business mates</q></p><p>isn't that the point?</p>
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						<a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/amp-telcos-unite-against-broadband-plan-4-03-video-4113920" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brislen link corrected</a>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>they’re a “do nothing” government – except for what they’re doing. </q></p><p>And the not-at-all-secret secret agenda.  Really, folks, this is sounding like the script for <em>Saw, Part 69</em> &mdash; it's all awfully familiar, but still doesn't make any sense.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>they’re a “do nothing” government – except for what they’re doing.</q></p><p><Pendant> That is not a contradiction if "They" include their business mates.<br />It is just another example of "Us and Them" <br />The Government has become that two headed monster they like to call a PPP<br />Fuckn' Li'l P heads.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/amp-telcos-unite-against-broadband-plan-4-03-video-4113920" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Good interview with Paul Brislen</a> this morning on TVNZ Business. I quite like the way he suggests that if the minister won’t listen to his industry, they’ll just have to arrange a meeting with <em>Prime</em> Minister.</p><p>I do wonder if Joyce’s dictatorial style is going to come back and bite…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Rural costomers are going to be – left in the shit </q></p><p>Some of the shit will be transported to apply to the urban customers in the spirit of equality and fairness that is a hallmark of the telecommunications industry.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>They are a do nothing Government, well, nothing of any use to the country as a whole, they'll do heaps for their mates</q></p><p>I've seen the same contradiction uttered on Te Standard, and it's part of what worries me about the left's chances:</p><p>they're a "do nothing" government &ndash; except…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>That seems to be a common misconception on the left – of course this government have a plan. You’re watching it</q></p><p>I think it's flattering them to call it a plan as such. What they have is a mindset (I hesitate to label it as ideology) that colours all their…</p>
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						<p><q>O, &ndash; right!<br />That giant, glassy pale blue telescreen...</q><br />Fixed.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>no initiatives, no forward thinkingThat seems to be a common misconception on the left – of course this government have a plan. You’re watching it.</q></p><p>Sigh...<br />Sacha, Since when have you started campaigning for National? They are a do nothing Government, well, nothing of any use to the country as…</p>
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						<p>O ye sasquatches!<br />This is really incredible &ndash; except Idiot Savant has the evidence! What  can we do now? I really ask this seriously- given that we have lying government advisories-</p>
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						<p>Latest Mediaworks excavation: <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/04/putting-fear-into-cabinet.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">how Steven Joyce put the fear into Cabinet</a>.</p><p>After Mediaworks had opened their books, and Deloittes had found that they didn't need our money, Joyce took a paper to Cabinet arguing that unless they got a deal, they would default on their payments and go into liquidation.…</p>
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						<p>O, &ndash; right!<br />That glassy pale blue screen...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>no initiatives, no forward thinking</q></p><p>That seems to be a common misconception on the left &ndash; of course this government have a plan. You're watching it.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Both TVNZ and MediaWorks are media companies; potential investors (after the election that Labour et al are so determined to lose) pay attention to the fortunes of both.</p><p>Voters, you did realise that public television is 'nice to have' right?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:56:59 +1200</pubDate>
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						Actually, no vision and no alternatives, no balls and no ideals, no initiatives,  no forward thinking, no futurisitic ideas- and no future with Nats-
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						the link seems well-observed, to me
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						<p><q>providers will have to work overtime to provide even a moderate level of service to business customers who will be (at least according to the rhetoric) the "wealth generators" in this brave new world. </q></p><p>Yes, you'd have expected this government if anyone to differentiate service levels to match revenue timing.…</p>
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						<p>Plausible?<br />Really?<br />When this Nat government is bailing out all it's other nasty buddies? (SFC/Hotchins/AlliedFarmers &amp; the crappy media lot-)</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>having a large media company like MediaWorks fail would scare off potential investors in TVNZ</q></p><p>That seems plausible. Thanks.</p>
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						<p>+1<br />I get so tired of this Nat grab philosophy &ndash; it's been going on for all my life. Labour works to recompense all workers &amp; beneficeraries when it is actually an effective  governing body &ndash; and then we get fiscally carnivorous Natgrabbers elected back in again -BECAUSE THEY BRIBE! And,…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Rural customers are to be served by a different set-up, the Rural Broadband Initiative, the RBI. This has also been handed to Telecon, with a dash of Vodafone thrown in to show it's all above board, yeah right.<br />It's all a sham anyway, Telecom and National are bosom buddies.</p>
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						<p>OOOh YESSS!<br />Rural costomers are going to be &ndash; left in the shit from the cow shed-</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						One thing I've found rather interesting about the current debate on UFB is that suddenly a whole lot of people are singing the praises of the current Telecom Wholesale/Chorus setup.  It's an odd experience, because we <em>know</em> the same problems are there today that were there last year when the…
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				<title>Jarno van der Linden</title>
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						Conspiracy theory: having a large media company like MediaWorks fail would scare off potential investors in TVNZ. The government demonstrating that they'll cover your back when things get a bit tight on the other hand...
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>And The Standard add Bill English being <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/is-joyce-too-big-to-fail/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">put on the spot</a> on telly yesterday:</p><p><q>A little while later, MED realised that when the government lets someone pay a fee over time and charges interest on it, that’s a loan and requires the Minister of Finance’s approval under the Public Finance…</q></p>
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						<p><q> the risk of Mediaworks' failure was such as to justify financing</q></p><p>I can understand the government needing to bail out a bank, Air New Zealand, maybe even a telco.</p><p>But why should one of our numerous commercial radio operators be so important as to justify a bailout? If they'd gone…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I was prepared to accept a case that the risk of Mediaworks' failure was such as to justify financing.</q></p><p>Same &ndash; though that industry seems better placed for non-disruptive ownership changes than many others are.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>TBH, I was prepared to accept a case that the risk of Mediaworks' failure was such as to justify financing. I'd set the bar pretty low on that, not being a fan of disaster capitalism.</p><p>But the things that Idiot/Savant has found are shaping up as a significant story.</p>
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						<p><q>can't be good for our Transparency Intl rankings</q></p><p>For that we have Joyce's dodgy dealings over Mediaworks &ndash; and Idiot/Savant is delving into <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2011/04/crony-capitalism-iii.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">OIA responses</a> that among other things show that it was not Key who over-rode official advice against lending out dosh at favourable rates. And that the company…</p>
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						This whole mess can't be good for our Transparency Intl rankings.
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						<p><q>Because individual fibre does not go back the the exchange,<br />there is no way for anyone else to physically access it, only at the Ethernet layer. </q></p><p>Well, in theory there is. Each fibre strand is split into 24 connections (residential) or 12 or 6 (business). Unbundling takes place after the…</p>
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						<p>Also, I get the impression that if PON is deployed, it can only be upgraded on a district at once basis &ndash; all the splitters, exchange and premise equipment would have to be changed (or an entire duplicate set of gear cut over to).</p><p>Is that right?</p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>And just as you can't sue the government for demolishing your quake-affected building using civil defence powers.</p><p>In other news, while the UFB bill is still at select committee, two parties are calling for amendments to reach bi-partisan support.</p><p>Labour's <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1104/S00155/curran-speech-to-telcon-conference-2011.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Clare Curran</a> last Thursday:</p><p><q>Phil Goff has written to the…</q></p>
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						<p><q>There would be no compensation</q></p><p>Unless "free" trade agreements like TPPA allow foreign-owned corporates to sue our government. Not local companies, just overseas ones, mind.</p>
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						<p>I probably haven’t put this very well but speculating as a would be telco monopoly…</p><p>When would this regulatory holiday start if proposed completion is in 2014 ?</p><p>With the threat of repeal coming after a change in government, what length of regulatory holiday would I realistically be betting on…</p>
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						[Apart from entrenched basic law, which is a tricky issue], no parliament can bind a successor. If a regulatory holiday is entrenched in statute, it could be repealed. There would be no compensation, just as you can't sue the government for making you pay more GST.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>PON is harder to unbundle than active fibre-optics.</q></p><p>So I am (now) told.</p><p>Because individual fibre does not go back the the exchange,<br />there is no way for anyone else to physically access it, only  at the Ethernet layer. So no wholesale competition no wholesale price competition, no technological competition.…</p>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						PON is harder to unbundle than active fibre-optics.
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p><q>Not quite the rosy open market Juha seems to feel it is (though huge kudos to him for breaking the story).</q></p><p>Thanks Rex and no, I don't think the NBN's a rosy open market. Kind of hoped that NZ, starting later, would do better. That's all.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>I don't imagine even teh nats WANT it to be like this. It's probably a case of:<br />__Joyce: We promised the natives fibre, but dammit, noone wants to pay for it.<br />Key: Well, the natives can pay for it, they wanted it.<br />English: Don't look at me. No money. Nada.…</p>
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						<p><q>In an ideal, rational world we'd have started building a publically-owned national fibre network a couple of years ago</q></p><p>You'll recall generally right-wing thinker Rod Drury proposing some years ago a government-owned, fair access, cost-plus, wholesale network because it just <a href="http://www.drury.net.nz/2007/04/12/the-independent-digital-trade-routes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">made more sense</a>. </p><p>If we insist on private monopolies then…</p>
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				<title>Ana Simkiss</title>
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						<p>Good question, and you are right.  Nothing that this Parliament could do could prevent the repeal of the legislation or regulation that creates the regulatory "holiday".  The businesses and interests concerned would just have to make it as painful as possible (politically) to repeal it.  </p><p><sigh> Another reason why bipartisan agreement…</p>
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						<p><q>how is a proposed 10 year regulatory 'holiday' consistent with that principle?</q></p><p>It's no more inconsistent than some of Rodney Hide's changes to local government legislation to allow 35 year private water contract terms, and no doubt some of the outcomes from the corporate farming water-grab in Canterbury after ECan…</p>
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						<p>A separate question, and one which Mr Edgeler might be able to help with:</p><p>I had understood that an established constitutional principle was that governments/parliament could not legislate in a manner which binds future governments.  If this is the case, how is a proposed 10 year regulatory 'holiday' consistent with…</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I really need to have more of a think about what I want to say about all this so this may turn into an amorphous brain-dump.  Despite working in the industry, my own opinions on what should happen from here on out are conflicted.  I don't think the "regulatory holiday"…
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						At the very beginning (first draft proposal in 2009) it was specified P2P, but then about Sept 2009 they allowed PON. This enables Chorus to participate in the UFB using it's cabinetisation or Fibre to the Node roll out.
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						<p><q>It's pretty much taxing those who don't want fibre in order to subsidize it into the home</q></p><p>I think you need to substitute another word for 'taxing' in that sentence.</p><p>How about 'rorting', or 'ripping off', or 'funding the bonuses of senior managers and dividends to shareholders through excess profits…</p>
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						So basically, what we are looking at is that the price of ADSL2 (and basic telephony) service from Telecom and its resellers will increase in order to make the expensive fibre more attractive. It's pretty much taxing those who don't want fibre in order to subsidize it into the home.
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						<p><q>The regulatory holiday highway</q></p><p>applause</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>I got this from a reader who works for a large telco and is familiar with the work of the industry working parties relating to ultra-fast broadband, but would rather not be named:</p><p><q>You ask why Mr Joyce believes a holiday to be necessary. I believe this to be simple…</q></p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>Telstra Clear is now publicly fretting about being sidelined by an unbeatable infrastructure competitor</q></p><p>Oh boo hoo. As someone who's subject to Telstra's predatory pricing* I hope they go on fretting and, frankly, that they get done like a dog's dinner. As for the NBN, don't be fooled... as [[http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/04/3181224.htm|the…</p>
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						I'd have thought that if you're going to give a gigantic handout to a company to build an even more pervasive monopoly than they already have, that you'd be wanting to impose MORE conditions on them, not less.
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						<p><q>According to the NBR:</p><p>The minister also maintained that without the 10-year ” regulatory holiday, or “forbearance period”, investors would “price in” the risk of Commerce Commission interferance – driving up pricing.</q></p><p>hmmm and without commerce commission <em>interference</em>  they can charge ridiculous prices which will inflate profits &ndash; that will…</p>
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						<p><q>Um why?</p><p>No really this is a serious question. If it is necessary can anyone explain why? </q><br /><a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2976/?p=209186#post209186" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Basically what I posted earlier</a>.</p>
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						<p><q>Um why?</p><p>    No really this is a serious question. If it is necessary can anyone explain why?</q></p><p>According to the NBR:</p><p><q>The minister also maintained that without the 10-year " regulatory holiday, or "forbearance period", investors would "price in" the risk of Commerce Commission interferance &ndash; driving up pricing.</q></p><p>See,…</p>
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						<p>Are they going to run fibre alongside the Puhoi to Wellsford motorway extension?</p><p>The regulatory holiday highway</p><p>/ducks</p>
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						<p><q>I'm proposing a merger between Sky and Telecom, so no one else in the country really needs to be in business at all.</q></p><p>They could call it <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28Terminator%29" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Skynet</a> and get Arnie to come out and launch it.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/crown-fibre-fight-turns-national-operating-organisation-ck-p-90217" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">More from Keall</a>: Joyce posits a national operating organisation for UFB – suggests it could be Telecom-run.</p><p>I’m proposing a merger between Sky and Telecom, so no one else in the country really needs to be in business at all.</p>
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						<p><q>Um why?</p><p>No really this is a serious question. If it is necessary can anyone explain why?</q></p><p>The best answer I can come up with at the moment is "Because Steven Joyce says so," which seems to be the reason for quite a number of things lately.</p>
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						<p><q>Steven Joyce [says] that a ‘regulatory holiday’ is necessary</q></p><p>Um why?</p><p>No really this is a serious question. If it is necessary can anyone explain why? </p><p>Is the proposal for some reason already known to breach consumer protections in such a way that the commerce commission would immediately act?</p>
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						<p>This just in ...</p><p><strong>Eleven Telcos, Consumer Groups Unite Against UFB Bill</strong></p><p> In an unprecedented move, 11 of New Zealand’s major telecommunications companies and the country’s leading consumer advocate groups have united to oppose the Government’s proposed UFB Bill.</p><p>The group, including Vodafone, 2 Degrees, TelstraClear, Call Plus,  Kordia/Orcon, Opto…</p>
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						<p>Bugger the rules, Prostetnic Vogon Joyce has <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle2rgn9vunopna" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">money</a>, <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle0zfeyyth" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">connections</a>, <em>and</em> <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlej2qa66yo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">rulebooks</a>.</p><p>And I should also add that a shiny fibre network is a fat lot of use without more undersea cables, given that NZ imports and exports most of its data. It's like building 14-lane highways when what we need…</p>
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						<p><q>assuming they're not telling fibs, their margins are around $60 per customer and year currently. Out of that comes international bandwidth, helpdesk and more.</q></p><p>Because they're providing a thin layer with negligible added value and scope for innovation. All things being equal, the larger providers are going to have lower…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p><q>. Here, unless there is regulation, it will be impossible to unbundle wholesale channels from Sky </q></p><p>Sky just has it too bloody sweet in this country. With their inclusion of advertising on their pay channels, we are effectively paying twice (subscription + time displacement) and they have wilfully given away…</p>
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>yay more confusion. <br />I know of two delightful old ladies who signed up for a 3 year tivo contact becuase they were worried about nz going digital and missing out on the royal wedding. </p><p>The oldies we don't talk about them much but all this stuff just overwhelms and freaks…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The way CFH has designed the UFB, I also expect retail providers to get a slice of the action for other services than just broadband, such as IPTV for instance.</q></p><p>Which speaks to the content issue I mentioned in the post.</p><p>In Britain, Virgin can sell you a cable TV…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						Also no clear picture on the open-ness of the built network if Telecom gets the nod. They have to build an open network to fulfill their obligations to the govt but this, potentially only applies to the fibre build with UFB funding leaving the status of existing Telecom infrastructure unclear.…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>"meaningless because it doesn't allow for data caps, or international data."</q></p><p>Not quite meaningless, but those questions were the first in my mind too. Unless a cap is just plain "so high it hardly matters" (which my American colleagues seem to enjoy), it's a vital part of the calculation. If…</p>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p>Apart from stating the obvious &ndash; CFH can't regulate national and international bandwidth without building further networks, or existing ones being designated &ndash; it's worth noting that resold broadband today is a low-margin business.</p><p>I checked again with ISPs; assuming they're not telling fibs, their margins are around $60 per…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>I can't see how a "regulatory holiday" ie declawing the commerce commission says anything other than the Telcos are planning to rip everyone off and they want to make sure the consumer watchdogs are kept at bay.</p><p>Fibre will be expensive to install the govt contribution is large but only…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s not clear how many customers are going to be convinced to pay the extra. For one thing, there isn’t that much content out there – production of such content is pretty marginal commercially, hence the failure of several such services recently. (Alt TV, etc).</q></p><p>Which is where that Commerce…</p>
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				<title>81stcolumn</title>
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						<p>Am I right in thinking that the risky lose-lose is:</p><p>Business &ndash; "I would like to use that shiny new fibre, it <em>might</em> make me money, but I can't afford it right now.."</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>An ideal solution would be for wealthy corporations to build the network, be bankrupted in the process, and have it acquired from the receiver for a song, allowing the service to be sold cheaply (effectively, subsidising it with the money of mug investors). This worked well with the US fibre…</q>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>It's hard to see how this is going to work. Basically (assuming no government or inter-customer subsidy) FTTH is going to be substantially more expensive than ADSL2 + broadcasting + video stores, which is the incumbent delivery channel.</p><p>It's not clear how many customers are going to be convinced to…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>NBR's Chris Keall had trouble logging in here (he used to be so good with computers!) but has expressed to me the view that the CFH price book is "meaningless because it doesn't allow for data caps,  or international data."</p><p>Which is odd, but presumably those are deemed matters for…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t have much of a problem with the decision itself, but I do with the secrecy around it.</q></p><p>Quite – but having said that I wish Drinnan would either STFU or just get his facts right.  I’m a little sick of the <em>Herald</em> editorially pontificating about transparency and competition,…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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