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				<title>Logan O&#039;Callahan</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, this:</p><p><a href="http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2017/04/20/cycling-work-major-new-study-suggests-health-benefits-are-staggering" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2017/04/20/cycling-work-major-new-study-suggests-health-benefits-are-staggering</a></p><p>Cycling to work will make you live longer.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:54:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>M Thomas</title>
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						<p><q>wo right turning lanes from the offramp. During rush hour the offramp would be massively backed up, sometimes back to the motorway.</q></p><p>You misread my comment. I meant the left turning lane from ST LUKES to Pt Chev and not the motorway off ramp.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 04:35:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						So that's why the chicken crossed the road.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:50:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<q>...<a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chook%20chaser" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an ill muffled trail bike</a>...</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:55:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						We got nice big juicy shared psychopaths in the west and pedestrians and speed cyclists tried to work it out. I think it took about two weeks before small and not so small  petrol engined devices started to appear. Seriously the sound of an ill muffled trail bike coming around…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:48:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>Has anyone ever seen these "special marked areas"?</q></p><p>They are increasingly common in Christchurch.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:01:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Treasury has been increasingly shaping or denying health sector capital spending decisions (and have a seat on the <a href="https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/christchurch%E2%80%99s-hospital-redevelopment-partnership-group-established" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">hospital redevelopment committee</a>) but under Ryall a lot of work also went to the big accounting consultancies to reinforce the sort of viewpoint he preferred. Cost of everything, value of nothing.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 08:20:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p><q>the planet passes through the remnants of Comet Thatcher </q>sounds like someone took up Michael Fabri’s suggestion for disposing of the remains of someone especially despised:<br /><q>"We gave her quite a send-off."<br />"Oh, did you have her buried or cremated?”<br />“Catapulted."</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:42:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>without knowing any details...</q><br />What a marvellously presumptuous preamble.<br />You can apprise yourself of what details are known here:<br /><a href="https://issuu.com/the.star/docs/117110cs?mode=embed&amp;layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&amp;backgroundColor=010101" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://issuu.com/the.star/docs/117110cs?mode=embed&amp;layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&amp;backgroundColor=010101</a><br />and then flesh out your conjecture at your leisure.<br />As I read it Jonathan Coleman's HPRG (Hospital Redevelopment Partnership Group) got Deloittes to to do a review of the hospital's car…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 21:58:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the Health Dept put the kibosh on a 700 car carpark near the Hospital</q></p><p>without knowing any details, seems more likely that Treasury turned down extra funding.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:13:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>Really interesting post and discussion. Just a couple of comments from me:</p><p>1) In relation to the "abandoned lane" on the St Lukes overbridge, I still think that might end up being used once Waterview open. If you look around Auckland there are a number of situations where it seems…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:23:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>James Dann has a piece at The Spinoff which scratches the surface of the madness in Chchch -</q></p><p>All good until you get to the touching faith in Lianne Dalziel to oppose Brownlee &ndash; which she's somewhat conspicuously failed to do since becoming Mayor. Sadly [[http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2016/09/james-danns-amazing-political-u-turn.html|Dann seems to have become…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:54:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>every day in Christchurch</q><br />James Dann has a piece at The Spinoff which scratches the surface of the madness in Chchch – <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/society/18-04-2017/parking-nightmare-how-the-car-lobby-is-hijacking-the-christchurch-cbd-rebuild/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://thespinoff.co.nz/society/18-04-2017/parking-nightmare-how-the-car-lobby-is-hijacking-the-christchurch-cbd-rebuild/</a></p><p>It also now transpires (according to <em>The Star </em> which is hard to link to ) that the Health Dept put the kibosh on a 700 car…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:42:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>How many knew that?</q></p><p>I did, after I read the road code for cyclists, about 10 years ago. It's a good idea to read it, and hook turns are a very handy solution to some intersections. Crossing to the right lane in the middle of traffic is often difficult/dangerous. Also,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 13:38:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yeah, walking my bike across a motorway  off-ramp... that's something I'll be doing in a hurry to show what a top law abiding bloke I am. When hell freezes over! I'm scared to walk them as a pedestrian.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 21:50:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Gregor Ronald</title>
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						"The driver had swerved suddenly into the bus lane, at around 70km/h, to try and pass a line of cars on the inside..." This happens every day in Christchurch, though it's cycle lanes that cars think they can crowd into. The other danger is motorists who pull over to answer…
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				<title>stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz</title>
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						<p>Yes we have them in Hamilton :)</p><p>No roadside signs showing them like in CHCH though...just the green-painted box on the road in front of the crossing traffic (i.e. the traffic waiting in the direction you want to turn in).</p><p>HOWEVER....someone from the road-painting company has not been told about…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:00:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Gerrit</title>
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						<p>You have to be a brave cyclist to ride away with a bus 100mm from your back wheel.  The bus driver does not need to hit a cyclist, just scare the brown stuff out of lycra.</p><p>The sound of air brakes would be intimidating enough.  Hence my idea to let…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:34:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>You have to be a brave cyclist to be in the advance box with a double decker AT bus behind you</q></p><p>You'd have to be a certifiable bus driver to want to run over a cyclist just because you can.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:26:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>On the diagram in the road code the advance boxes are shown in front of the pedestrian crossing. Most of the ones I have seen in Auckland the box is behind the pedestrian crossing.</q></p><p>I’m struggling to understand how that would work, putting the cyclists beyond the pedestrian crossing from…</p>
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				<title>Gerrit</title>
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						On the diagram in the road code the advance boxes are shown in front of the pedestrian crossing.  Most of the ones I have seen in Auckland the box is behind the pedestrian crossing.  Possibly the cyclist are supposed to cycle across the intersection with the pedestrian green light in…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:31:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>How many drivers know that?</q></p><p>Not terribly many, I would say, given how frequently I see cars stopping well into the advance boxes.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Has anyone ever seen these "special marked areas"?</q></p><p>Haven't seen any of those in Auckland yet. However they do somewhat rely on cars allowing cyclists to go to the front of the queue, this of course is the intended use of the green box now appearing at a lot of…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Oh, no, I'm completely incorrect. See <a href="http://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2016/08/26/photo-of-the-day-hook-turn-signs/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this photo</a> for an example from Christchurch.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Has anyone ever seen these “special marked areas”?</q></p><p>I would presume that they're the green-painted spaces that start before the advance boxes and run back along the centre-line. It's not clear what they're for, but that's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with for their existence.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Interestingly the road code promotes cyclist to use the hook turn at intersections.</p><p>How many knew that?</q></p><p>Well, it says you <em>can</em>. But ...</p><p><q>A hook turn is a different way for cyclists to turn right at an intersection. Hook turns can be done at any intersection except at intersections…</q></p>
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				<title>Gerrit</title>
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						<p>The onus to avoid a collision lies equally with the cyclist as with the car/truck/bus/van driver.</p><p>From a legal perspective the cyclist may well be up for the damages caused when in the wrong.  How many cyclist have third party insurance?  That headlight on the flash BMW may be far…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Worth noting that the “solution” for cyclists at Carrington is laughable – can you imagine a similar solution for drivers?</q></p><p>It really defeats the point of having a cycleway.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>If a cyclist slows to walking speed and starts their crossing when the car is far enough away from the crossing to appropriately stop (marked by the diamond on the roadway) then there really is no reason to complain. And certainly no reason for a driver to risk the life…</q>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> Also cyclist please note that riding across a pedestrian crossing does not mean cars have to stop for you. You have to walk your bike over.</q></p><p>There is of course the overarching law that drivers must avoid accidents where possible.</p><p>Essentially this means that even if the cyclist is breaking…</p>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p>Why o why did they not put a cycle/walk underpass on the track at St Lukes Rd?<br />The one at Te Atatu is great and saves time and hassle. <br />There must be an alternative to the Carrington Rd dismount which is just a pain especially for people using clip-ons. It…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						It's the law, sure.  But also common sense seems fair at times.  If the traffic has stopped for me, it's to no one's advantage that i take 4 times longer to cross.
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				<title>Gerrit</title>
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						An unforeseen occurrence with the painted cycle ways on roads is the use of the lanes by motor cyclist.   Time and again a motorcyclist will roar up the cycle lane making a mockery of the lane.  Also cyclist please note that riding across a pedestrian crossing does not mean cars…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:21:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And let’s be fair: the paths at both ends of Waterview are shaping up pretty well, especially the south end.</q></p><p>To give a different angle of attack, coming from the West along Gt North Rd and passing through that area, I've seen not one sausage of improvement. The cycling infrastructure…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:18:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Yes there was. It enabled two right turning lanes from the offramp. During rush hour the offramp would be massively backed up, sometimes back to the motorway.</q></p><p>With you on this one. That's the part I like.</p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p><q>There was no need for a new lane for traffic turning towards Pt Chev from St Lukes, </q><br />Yes there was.  It enabled two right turning lanes from the offramp.  During rush hour the offramp would be massively backed up, sometimes back to the motorway.</p>
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				<title>Myles Thomas</title>
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						<p>The changes at St Lukes road intersection with Gt Nth Rd have lost a through lane heading into town along Gt Nth Rd. Surely traffic having to now wait to go straight means further delays. </p><p>The road works on that bridge and intersection cost $$$$ and seems to have been…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>SUPPORT the proposed changes, subject to addressing the off-road parking issue</q></p><p>Important, yes. Far too common for our decision-makers to veer black-white.</p>
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				<title>Jo Moon</title>
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						Hi Grey, Rhys and Jolisa.  Agree with many of your comments.  I was concerned enough by the blanket 'just say no' approach in the email from WSAFC that I sent a reply email to the EC and President of EC expressing my concern/disappointment at their approach.  Given that for many…
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>Agreed, Rhys &ndash; I like Greg's judo move, and indeed, removing on-street parking outside the soccer fields would make the street even safer for all! (NB New off-street parking is outside the scope of the current project, but is definitely on everyone's radar as a precinct-level priority.)</p><p>However, given the…</p>
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				<title>Rhys Jones</title>
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						Thanks Greg. I was actually quite disappointed with the messaging in that email. Particularly the request to 'let AT know that you DO NOT support this proposal on the basis that it provides less carparks, is too narrow for buses and is NOT a safe solution for our community.' In…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Thanks for that &ndash; with footpaths &amp; bike lanes, is the upshot that local authorities have to fund these?</q></p><p>Cycling infrastructure, as Matthew noted, depends on whether it is adjacent to a motorway. Otherwise in the Auckland region, Auckland Transport manages the whole width of the road corridor including the footpaths.</p>
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						<p><q>AT are just calling the footpaths "shared paths" and saying job done</q></p><p>Saw that on the sea-side of Beach Rd today &ndash; they seem to have conceded defeat on their poorly-designed cycle lane alongside footpath combo and marked the cycle lane as officially walking plus cycling. Guess who loses.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Bloody good on them. Get those cars off the street. </q></p><p>It makes <em>so</em> much sense, in so many ways.</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>There's also this in the pipeline for the area.</p><p><a href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/91483949/two-more-gyms-proposed-for-new-zealands-largest-school-rebuild" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/91483949/two-more-gyms-proposed-for-new-zealands-largest-school-rebuild</a></p><p>That piece of MOTAT land is crucial</p>
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				<title>Greg Wood</title>
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						As a Westmere-living, SUV-owning Soccer Dad, team coach, and certifiable bike nut, I am so stupidly excited about the Meola Fix for a ton of reasons. So when I started reading this <a href="http://mailchi.mp/wsafc/urgent-message-upgrade-proposal-for-meola-road-2ocap4nlbg?e=b65a4d5dc9" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">email from the club</a> urgently opposing the changes, my first reaction was "selfish wankers!" – but but but!!!…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>A little old but still mostly valid for discussions about where the money comes from and goes to<br /><a href="http://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/2013/02/18/mythbusting-cyclists-dont-pay/</a></p><p><q> when it comes to local roads (where most people cycle) about 50% is paid for by local Council rates (in larger places like Christchurch, the proportion is typically a bit higher).</q>…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I think it’s accepted that new motorways must now be accompanied by new cycleways.</q></p><p>Which is a good thing. But NZTA really fought hard to avoid that becoming accepted practice.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>NZTA has been having to (reluctantly, let’s be honest) build pedestrian/cyclist infrastructure alongside their new motorways out west, but those are the exceptions. </q></p><p>I think it's accepted that new motorways must now be accompanied by new cycleways.</p><p>NZTA did try and wriggle out of the part of the Waterview path…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>with footpaths &amp; bike lanes, is the upshot that local authorities have to fund these</q></p><p>There's a separate fund for cycle infrastructure, but it's still a shared cost between the local authority and central government if that fund is accessed. NZTA has been having to (reluctantly, let's be honest) build pedestrian/cyclist…</p>
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				<title>Hugh Wilson</title>
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						Thanks for that &ndash; with footpaths & bike lanes, is the upshot that local authorities have to fund these?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<q>I'm not intimate with the NZTA funding model, but this is a general approach, and the crucial element is the 'in part' bit, meaning there is another source &ndash; typically consolidated revenue, which is made up of taxation receipts from multiple sources and &ndash; gasp &ndash; includes $ from non-motorists.…</q>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>AT are just calling the footpaths “shared paths” and saying job done. They’ll do the same along western springs park (if that hasn’t been done already?)</q></p><p>Not yet. It's all been pretty vague.</p><p>But I could probably live with upgraded and widened "shared path" footpaths if that's what was on…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>So it already is used as a carpark, and I wonder if what needs to happen is that MOTAT need to think of it as a potential income stream on Saturday mornings.</q></p><p>I had a chat about it with MOTAT's CEO Michael Frawley (on Twitter) and he's wary about health…</p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p><q>It’s been earmarked as a potential car park for ages, so let it be a carpark. And let it not be free to use, at least at peak times. If you can afford that luxury SUV, you can afford five bucks for a couple of hours’ unsubsidised parking.</q><br />My son…</p>
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						<q>But the engineers made the fatal assumption that they could make their plan work by converting the free left turn at the top of the St Lukes off-ramp to a Give Way and getting rid of the slip-lane that was there. They couldn’t. Without the slip-lane, the intersection was a…</q>
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				<title>Hugh Wilson</title>
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						<p><q>This has created a funding feedback loop where funding for transport is gathered in part from road user charges and petrol levies are spent on more roads, each with diminishing returns on investment.</q></p><p>I'm not intimate with the NZTA funding model, but this is a general approach, and the crucial…</p>
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				<title>Wichid</title>
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						The problem is essentially a structural one. From the old 'roads first' policy, for most trips, the car is the most practical tool for people, but with really bad outcomes for congestion, environment, etc. This has created a funding feedback loop where funding for transport is gathered in part from…
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				<title>CoyKoi</title>
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						<p>Bullock Track is getting traffic lights.<br /><a href="https://at.govt.nz/about-us/have-your-say/central-auckland-consultations/great-north-road-and-bullock-track-intersection-improvements/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://at.govt.nz/about-us/have-your-say/central-auckland-consultations/great-north-road-and-bullock-track-intersection-improvements/</a></p><p>AT are just calling the footpaths "shared paths" and saying job done. They'll do the same along western springs park (if that hasn't been done already?)</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						The whole Waterview connection seems to be emerging as full of penny wise, pound foolish corners that have been cut, adding up to creating huge new traffic problems from the day it opens. It threatens to create as many problems as it it solve, a pretty rum way to spend…
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				<title>Robert Harvey</title>
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						Thanks Russell, great post and long awaited. Ever since getting the Auckland Transport leaflet about the various cycle options/upgrades I have been trying to get my head around the mess that the Waterview connection is going to create. At very least there needs to be traffic lights at the bottom…
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