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Farmer Green

Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:56:20 +1300

I don’t know if you will see this Russell , but this is how it is done ; $25,000 raised on a blog , in very short order!

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/an-offer-i-couldnt-refuse-jo-nova-gets-outfoxed/#comments

Of course , conspiracy theorists will fantasize that this was BIG OIL , funding a “denier blog” , by disguising itself…

Farmer Green

Tue, 04 Mar 2014 08:21:16 +1300

Ian Dalziel, 5 days ago:

mercantile leverage…
The Personal Honesty Box – (or jar) beside the computer – every time you feel that something deserves a payment toss a coin in the jar –

A couple of the blogs that I regularly frequent (don't ask) have a Tip Jar prominently…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 04 Mar 2014 07:44:48 +1300

throw your alms around me…

Kracklite –

Things are strange all over at the moment,
there is a disturbance in ‘The Force’ ,
or at least an outbreak of ‘Novelty’
co-existing with uncloaked realities…

difficult times
change and cycles
chains n sickles
there’s no logic

I for one have always…

Jos

Mon, 03 Mar 2014 20:57:59 +1300

I too am commentless...

JacksonP

Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:49:01 +1300

[redacted]
Not helpful.

Russell Brown

Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:06:18 +1300

Everyone interesting (Islander/Keri for example) has left PAS, bullies like Craig Ranapia who are friends of Russel get free rein – and they know it. I’ve given up myself. This used to be a good place, but this begging is just shameful. I’ve had it. Goodbye.

I’ll do you the…

Farmer Green

Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:02:50 +1300

It seems to be a general trend on all the blogs that I have frequented over the last several years, that the rate of dropping out is increasing, and all of those blogs are asking questions about their respective futures.
Has Peak-Blog already passed? It seems that Facebook and Twitter…

Hebe

Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:37:55 +1300

Begging? So someone spends a shitload of time and talent on producing something that is unusual, fills a need and provides a good service to quite a number of people, and they should do it for nothing. Eh?

Russell is trying, like most media outlets and online communities to find…

Kracklite

Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:28:24 +1300

Everyone interesting (Islander/Keri for example) has left PAS, bullies like Craig Ranapia who are friends of Russel get free rein – and they know it. I've given up myself. This used to be a good place, but this begging is just shameful. I've had it. Goodbye.

Farmer Green

Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:22:18 +1300

The point being that an insolvent family farm, which is being put up for public auction, is not in a position to provide paid employment for anybody , family member or not.
And on – call 24/7/52 jobs (which pay reasonably well) are not easy to come by :-)

andin

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:42:57 +1300

But he had to create the business which pays him that wage ; nobody else would do that.Huh!

The initial impetus was a desire to save the family farm which my grandfather had started back in the 40s.
Ahh

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:32:04 +1300

somewhere like Piko
Spotted some in the fridge there not two hours ago...

Hebe

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:36:26 +1300

He's a-thinking. Unfortunately though another non-immediate thunk. I feel your pain.

Russell Brown

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:34:19 +1300

Not to derail the thread Russell – I shall come back later about yr piece (Greg has requested the rate cards)…

Which should be read as aspirational literature rather than a list of actual prices :-)

Hebe

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:16:45 +1300

I wonder if you can recall how you came across these products...
I'm just pondering what Russell is proposing here, and it just throws up questions.
My assumption has always been that if you are pushing a product that most people neither want , nor need, then you advertise.
If…

Kumara Republic

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 10:30:32 +1300

Why can’t corporations that metamorphed from co-operatives retain the principle of everyone in the chain getting a fair share, why the greed?
(I’m looking at You supermarkets, banks, insurance companies, etc)

Pretty much what happens when private equity – the financial equivalent of junk food, for lack of a better…

Chris Waugh

Sat, 01 Mar 2014 01:37:14 +1300

Poor old Advertising started life as the humble act of notification

That would seem to explain half of how the French "avertissement" came to be a faux ami. Funny how "avertissement" moved towards "warning", while in English "advertisement" became a kind of warped "come hither". Perhaps the French are on…

Russell Brown

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:36:41 +1300

Poor old Advertising started life as the humble act of notification, , a gazetting, or public notice in the journal of record or other ‘database’ of its time – to draw attention to a fact or quality – so that people could make an informed decision.

I still believe in…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 21:19:24 +1300

careful with that adze Eugene…
a product that most people
neither want, nor need
or don’t know about
then you advertise.
If it’s a good product then word gets around.

Poor old Advertising started life as the humble act of notification, , a gazetting, or public notice in the journal…

Farmer Green

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:56:41 +1300

"or don’t know about"
Yes I suppose that there are people who know what they want or need , but don't know where to find it.
I assumed that anything can be found on the net , but there are some people who don't do that stuff.
When we launch…

Sacha

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:52:45 +1300

a product that most people neither want, nor need

or don't know about

Farmer Green

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:21:09 +1300

I wonder if you can recall how you came across these products. I would presume that it was not as a result of an advertisement because we have not attempted anything along those lines. Occasionally a business has asked us to sponsor a feature that might have some connection to…

Farmer Green

Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:35:32 +1300

"Is your website link your business?"
Yes.

We were lucky to get some on-farm guidance from Peter Proctor back in the 70s. Herbert Koepf was also a visitor, as was Carl Hoffman.
A lot of it was about making a place to rear some children , and so we were…

Hebe

Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:50:12 +1300

Is your website link your business? a) I buy your milk and bush honey yoghurt a lot. It's excellently yum. b) I never clicked before that it's biodynamic. Don't know why because I'm an assiduous label-reader. Where did you learn BD: Taruna? I'm aiming to do the course one year…

Farmer Green

Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:35:14 +1300

Nice sentiment ; sort of like the busker’s hat on the footpath.
The age -old conflict between art and survival.
FG found it easier to accept no payment for art and to work at something else for the survival, thereby obtaining the sort of artistic freedom that is universally desired.…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:17:21 +1300

mercantile leverage...
The Personal Honesty Box – (or jar) beside the computer – every time you feel that something deserves a payment toss a coin in the jar – when filled count and send same amount to PA (or a rotating roster of similar worthies...)

small change mounts up...
small…

Russell Brown

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:16:42 +1300

I have seen good things said about http://www.patreon.com/ as a way of patronising (in a good way) your favourite web content folks.

They seem great, but not for us. As I understand it, participation as a creator means publishing your content to their site, and I can't quite get my…

Max Coyle

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:06:08 +1300

Would have been fantastic to see Flattr take off more so than it has. What do you think of a Universal Basic Income solving the problem? Free people up for creative works and allow any ad revenue/freelance/contract/part time work providing the cream on top?

Jeremy Andrew

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:56:11 +1300

I have seen good things said about http://www.patreon.com/ as a way of patronising (in a good way) your favourite web content folks.

TracyMac

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:06:21 +1300

Unfortunately this doesn't much help those of us who wouldn't touch Bitcoin with the blunt end of a rusty 100 m pole.

I like the idea of services like Gittip, but since their top earner gets @US$600, it's not good enough to rely on paying bills with yet.

Kirk Alexander

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:48:00 +1300

I seem to recall micropayments not being your cup of tea Russell but if you are interested it was announced yesterday that the normal fee for a Bitcoin transaction will be lowered to 1000 satoshis (around half a cent), which makes it more feasible for micropayment-style transactions. I know I…

Heather Gaye

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:14:51 +1300

For my part, I've stopped AdBlock running on Public Address pages. You're welcome.

BenWilson

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:01:43 +1300

My 2c is that a food blog would make more money than all the other blogs put together. Good food is something people love to pay for. The market is huge. It's also something people love to talk about, so getting content would be easy.

Think about how many tourists…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:15:13 +1300

hold the front page...
they had the opportunity, they just don’t get it.
They just want one 'meter/conduit' to charge from it seems
when they could have many 'micro trickles' tailored to readers preferences....
as it is I don't think that subscribers to The Press for instance get any extra…

David Hood

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:48:20 +1300

I've clearly been overly upworthied, I can help phrasing that as a "Russell mentioned a new blogger. Who it will be will surprise you" headline

Morgan Nichol

Wed, 26 Feb 2014 00:40:15 +1300

That'd be a hell of a plot twist.

Eric Rowe

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:05:57 +1300

In terms of monetizing online content I think you should be looking at some of the solutions our friends at APN and Fairfax have largely overlooked. Instead of paywalls and native advertising they should probably have started with velvet ropes and small things. (they had the opportunity, they just don't…

Roger Lacey

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:26:11 +1300

I’ve also been talking to a new (but familiar) blogger about joining us
Not Cam I hope.

andin

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:01:13 +1300

Well fuck I am being strangled by the low pay, counterproductive competitive, no original ideas please! environment that seems to have been growing for a few years now. yes I live day to day financially
someone needs to get their foot off out throats. WHAT!! think humanity needs samey sameness…

Russell Brown

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:47:32 +1300

or strategic

hey!

Going forward.

Sacha

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:45:24 +1300

or strategic

hey!

Sacha

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:44:07 +1300

let's talk

Russell Brown

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:39:38 +1300

Russell: Does this mean that the media show on MTS won’t begin for a while?

Yep. It's all on track, but not straight away.

Richard Aston

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:08:33 +1300

Have bought banner ads before and will do again Russell in a few months time when I get funding for it .

Geoff Lealand

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:27:35 +1300

Russell: Does this mean that the media show on MTS won't begin for a while?

Russell Brown

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:30:45 +1300

We should coffee.

Deal. Now that I know what else I have on for the next months (ie: not a lot) it'll be easier for me to think about the site.

JacksonP

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:20:52 +1300

I'd like to talk with you about some more ideas too. The slowing down of Capture is not only because I'm a bit tired lately (which I am), but also cause I'd like to do more with it, and if possible, attract more contributors with some monetary incitement. :-)

We…

Russell Brown

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:08:55 +1300

yes to something about disability that doesn't include the word 'sector' :)

:-)

I was going to tap you, actually. Very loose theme of "disability and the internet".

Robyn Gallagher

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:05:08 +1300

Also ... there's still a sponsorship opening for a food blog.

This needs to happen! A food blog is like when Capture asks people to send in holiday photos – everyone gets excited and everyone has something to add. Foodie-ish sponsor, where art thou?

Bart Janssen

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:04:41 +1300

doesn't include the word 'sector' :)

or strategic?

Sacha

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:00:28 +1300

yes to something about disability that doesn't include the word 'sector' :)

Sue

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:51:02 +1300

yes to something in the disability sector!

Public Address

Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:51:02 +1300

Discussion from blog post.