Does the "seabed" in this context include exploration rights to gas/oil and jurisdiction over using water/seabed for energy generation (tidal/wave generators)?

The Crown has given itself blanket ownership of most of the minerals etc. For example – Petroleum Act of 1937 (now probably part of the Crown Minerals Act). Assume…

Does the "seabed" in this context include exploration rights to gas/oil and jurisdiction over using water/seabed for energy generation (tidal/wave generators)?

I imagine those might constitute some of the "competing allegiances" Hilary alludes to. I don't think there is a strong iwi presence on the Southland coast where the current…

Redcliffs waterfont in Christchurch used to have a public walkway but its either been built on or fell into the estuary.

A few rambler types have tried to claim Queens Chain and walk across the waterfont properties and been given…

I wonder how much of the almost 70% of Crown/Council land is leasehold? Which can effectively mean 'private' as a leaseholder may exclude the public.

Well, according to the LINZ report, Crown land is:

mainly made up of:

• National parks that run to the coast;
• Strips of…

And I did think his chapter in the Bolger Years was an unfair assessment of the settlement process. But that said, there was a bit of rewriting history in that book.

Personally, I thought anyone would be on a hiding to nothing trying to assess an extremely complex, long-running process…

Doing a Brash and pandering to the racists is taking a tremendous gamble

It seems to me though the mummy at the feast of this glorious new dawn of race relaions is going to be the great unwashed Pakeha mob.

I must admit to being confused by the term "General land". I wonder how much of the almost 70% of Crown/Council land is leasehold? Which can effectively mean 'private' as a leaseholder may exclude the public.

It reports that of NZ's 19,883 km coastline:

37.64% owned by the Crown

31.42% owned by Councils

20.05% General land

10.35% Maori land

0.54% unresolved…

What if Labour were to pick this up and rabble rouse for all its worth? And why shouldn't they?

Common decency?

OK, so maybe that's a bit much to expect from politicians, so we'll try something else: any hope of a future confidence and supply agreement with the Maori Party?…

Russell: Finlayson is a politician. He has fluffed around with the National Memorial in Wellington, and his chapter in the Bolger years was quite petulant.

Hilary: I get that the current government can do no right by you, and you're entitled to your opinion, but Finlayson didn't become Treaty Negotiations…

I suspect Russell's title is one of the understatements of the year.

And now I feel like I came off a bit negative this morning. I was writing fast ...

I want a just and enduring solution, and it's obvious that the F&S Act had to go for that to happen.…

The repeal of the Act is surely good law.

Yes, killing it may be the easy part but it's a great start and National deserves ever ounce of political capital it's going to extract from it, notwithstanding how it stood behind Brash at the time.

mistaken for actual news value?

Music...Da dadaaaadaaaa dededdeddededde
Logo swirls across screen.
Cue.;... Serious face (or was it just voice over full of the gravitas)

" Winston warns New Zealand headed for division and apartheid......

Music up Da dadadaaa .. and fade....

Or summint like that..
OH you mean news…

The repeal of the Act is surely good law. At the moment it also seems like good politics.

really?

Doesn't that depend on the beltway political class creating a consensus to shut down the debate? What if Labour were to pick this up and rabble rouse for all its worth?…

their co-dependent abusive bromance with the shit

Damn fine explanation – the sucking up goes beyond anything rationally explainable.

In So Inevitable It's Not Even News news, some comments from the usual suspect.

Meh... the usual suspect that has my ulcers bleeding is (guess) Winston Raymond Peters — enabled by the other usual media suspects who really need to get therapy for their co-dependent abusive bromance with the shit.…

I'm no expert on this, but isn't the central entitlement about common law rights not the Treaty?

I think that is spot on, Sasha. We'd be having all these debates with or without the treaty. It's the constitution, it's Mabo, it's the vibe.

Ngati Apa, and I haven't read it…

And didn't he retire?

I understand that his Garthness retired from curmudgeonly filtering of letters to the editor, but not from blessing us with his weekly wisdom.

The first is the one that most folks think about which is the idea that people brown or white should be able to wander along a beach in summer without anyone telling them to "F off my land".…

George's copy goes in unedited I would imagine, possibly unread.

Heh.

Where on Earth was the sub?

Spending his or her redundancy payments or working split shifts at Pagefuckers.

George's copy goes in unedited I would imagine, possibly unread.

And didn't he retire?

Here's one lovely spot.
http://www.travelplanner.co.nz/referral.cfm?site=http://www.cavallibeachhouse.com

Bluewater title exist for pre-1840 settler families.

Hmm, looks like whoever titled that article got their maths backwards..

Have you got a reference for that? I've heard that claim before, but never known where to look to verify the claim.

This Herald article is the closest I can get to the source of this claim.

("I read it on a blog" doesn't cut much mustard)

Is "I read it in the Herald" better?

[I suspect there will be some debate :-) ]

Let's remeber alot of our coastline is in private, even foreign hands

Have you got a reference for that? I've heard that claim before, but never known where to look to verify the claim.

("I read it on a blog" doesn't cut much mustard)

Man you could have warned us

Agreed ... especially when there are statements like this:

When will the taxpayers of New Zealand be freed from having to watch hundreds of millions of public dollars being shovelled at Maori, who make up less than 15 per cent of the population? (In…

Wow, so due process and good faith aren't any way to treat Maori?

Let's remeber alot of our coastline is in private, even foreign hands and they can contest their rights in law, but not Maori.

This came from the…

Yes – but note that they later say that the judicial remedy should always be available.

You're right, of course. But it does seem oddly like an afterthought.

Does this, er, sound a bit like the Foreshore and Seabed Act, at least in principle?

Yes – but note that they later say that the judicial remedy should always be available. What they're proposing is repeal, legislation to provide a framework for the recognition and exercise of customary rights…