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				<title>Islander</title>
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						There is a rather wonderful book, also about an aged Sherlock Holmes & bees &ndash; and a parrot, and a young boy. Which I bought a while ago and somebody borrowed and leant to someone else &ndash; and I cannot remember the title...I loved the last line which went something like…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:33:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Colony collapse disorder...</strong></p><blockquote><p>If National Standards are actually a tool to crush the NZEI/PPTA, why doesn't Minister Tolley just say so? And as I previously mentioned, teachers are heartily sick of social work and warden duty foisted on them.</p><p>The education wars are but one symptom of the privatised class…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:25:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Sinnock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Safari can’t open the page “feed://www.listener.co.nz/sm/rss/latestissue.rss”. The error is: “The feed could not be loaded because the content is not in a known feed format.” (PubSub:2)</p></blockquote><p>Fixed now. Thanks for that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:57:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Tolley will find that Year 11 students are mostly old enough that they don't need child care and can be left home alone...</p></blockquote><p>I have the strike roster for our high school, and it only affects years 9 and 10. It actually works out very nicely for us…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:15:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Safari can’t open the page “feed://www.listener.co.nz/sm/rss/latestissue.rss”. The error is: “The feed could not be loaded because the content is not in a known feed format.” (PubSub:2)</p></blockquote><p>Worked fine for me in google reader.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:45:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>johnno</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hand lettered by elves, it were</p></blockquote><p>currently looking for new job opportunities...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:32:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>... I think Tolley will find that Year 11 students are mostly old enough that they don't need child care and can be left home alone... </blockquote> I know, Ian, I saw that, and I thought &ndash; I despair. Because I do. I love my job so much, and then I…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:27:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Come to think of it, some pupils are smarter than Minister Tolley thinks.</p></blockquote><p>indeed...</p><blockquote><p>Education Minister Anne Tolley said many of the parents having to find childcare would not have had the sort of pay increases teachers were seeking.</p></blockquote><p>... I think Tolley will find that Year 11 students are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:03:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&amp;objectid=10681745" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A very good sign</a>. Some pupils are smarter than we think. Come to think of it, some pupils are smarter than Minister Tolley thinks.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:33:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote>So that makes me wonder why it is constantly said that at least these new National Standards provide that benchmark. We already had that! We have ERO to investigate how well the school is performing for its community and what outside influences it has etc. If you're really worried that…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And while we work on a clean feed you will find that Fiona's daily TV and Radio updates appear dailiy in here:</p></blockquote><p>Ah, thanks.</p><p>Edit:</p><blockquote><p>Safari can’t open the page “feed://www.listener.co.nz/sm/rss/latestissue.rss”. The error is: “The feed could not be loaded because the content is not in a known feed format.”…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:15:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Hand lettered by elves, it were
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						I still have copies from that size-era &ndash; a couple of poems found nowhere else, and my first nationally published  s.s. were the reasons for keeping them...they're A3 (or near as damn it) and at least double the number of pages of the current, pathetically scrawny (in content & otherwise) thing...
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				<title>Ngaire BookieMonster</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I remember when the listener was massive, literally it was fucking huge, was it A3 ? It looked like a mat on your floor.Oh dear.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, me too! It was like tabloid size?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:59:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						I remember when the listener was massive, literally it was fucking huge, was it A3 ? It looked like a mat on your floor.Oh dear.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:25:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Sinnock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>..what about an RSS feed?</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>..the new year</p></blockquote><p>And while we work on a clean feed you will find that Fiona's daily TV and Radio updates appear dailiy in here:<br /><a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/sm/rss/latestissue.rss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Latest Issue RSS</a></p><p>.. along with any other featured articles we put live that day. </p><p>Note though that once each…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:19:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Aaron Dick</title>
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						"There are a lot of things wrong with the implementation of the standards, but not necessarily with the idea of the standards, if you wish to ascertain which schools may be under or over-performing in relation to the composition of their student population. If they're under-performing, I think the community…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:09:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Source for the goose...</strong></p><blockquote><p>Yep. The zealous willingness to promote <strong>uniformed gossip</strong> as public debate &ndash; for fun and profit!</p></blockquote><p>I think the black Jacket with epaulets, Jodphurs <br />and Jackboots is tres stylish, and so close to<br />the horse's mouth....</p><p><br /><strong>Wait loss in the suburbs...</strong></p><blockquote><p>supermarket cues</p></blockquote><p>now there is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:44:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote>If they're under-performing, I think the community needs to know, teachers and management need to know, hell even the ministry needs to know, so they can see how to correct that. If they're over-performing, it may be useful to know how it came about and if those methods can be…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:03:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Personally I can't imagine <strong>choosing</strong> a partner whose political views were completely opposed to mine.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, so drably utilitarian. You need to unleash your feelings! Go with your instincts! Let L'amore be your guide!</p><p>Anyway, when a man marries a woman, isn't it implicit that everythings going to be completely…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						No doubt Russell will pick this up as a new thread. <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/success+all+-+every+school+every+child+0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Government response</a> to Special Education Review seems to be:  improve from 50% to 80% inclusion with only the already announced extra investment in boosting ORRS coverage. Can't see any links to the actual report yet.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:57:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>uroskin</title>
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						<blockquote>If you want to spin it that way. On the other hand, she does manage, this week, to compare Phil Goff to Adolph Hitler, so... *shrug*</blockquote>While she should have compared him to Stalin, if she had checked the talking points memo from her husband/leader first.
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				<title>Ngaire BookieMonster</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Personally I can't imagine choosing a partner whose political views were completely opposed to mine.</p></blockquote><p>Hours of entertainment, it is.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does this guideline also apply to Investigate magazine?</p></blockquote><p>I don't mind people slagging off the Listener or Investigate or the Herald or anything else.</p><p>Slagging off one writer as shit because their husband works for a political party? Lets off all the other shit writers whose partner doesn't work in…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And as I previously mentioned, teachers are heartily sick of social work and warden duty foisted on them.</p></blockquote><p>I've heard a few reports from teachers that their high school kids are not focused, maybe the hours are too long, maybe the morning start is too early? Secondary needs a complete…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>the educational systems of other countries like the US</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/?page=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This excellent piece</a> has some bearing on that. Eg:</p><blockquote><p>Hanushek has released studies showing that teacher quality accounts for about 7.5–10 percent of student test score gains. Several other high-quality analyses echo this finding, and while estimates vary a bit, there…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>if you wish to ascertain which schools may be under or over-performing <strong>in relation to the composition of their student population</strong></p></blockquote><p>(emphasis mine). Are the standards as proposed going to be moderated for the socio-economic status of students' families?  I recall large-scale educational research from Christchurch some years back establishing…</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If people don't like the Listener they could not buy and read it, or criticise the content, as compared to being rude about one of the writers.</p></blockquote><p>Does this guideline also apply to Investigate magazine?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Now what will I read in from the listener in supermarket cues?</p></blockquote><p>You could take your networked device of choice along and go to www.listener.co.nz while cu/queu-ing?</p><blockquote><p>While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and have first-hand experience of same, based on her writings for over a decade, I doubt…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>If National Standards are actually a tool to crush the NZEI/PPTA, why doesn't Minister Tolley just say so? And as I previously mentioned, teachers are heartily sick of social work and warden duty foisted on them.</p><p>The education wars are but one symptom of the privatised class system malaise. One…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Most teachers know their students' progress all too well.</p></blockquote><p>But knowing your students' progress and knowing it in relation to a standardised national mean are two different things. And asking that the schools gather that information and report it to their community (whether through the board, or directly) doesn't have…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They're also the ones who generally don't need standardised tests to show that they're doing well, rendering the whole exercise moot.</p></blockquote><p>No one does. Most teachers know their students' progress all too well. </p><p>The new 'standards' are to rank teachers and schools, that's all. But the govt can hardly be…</p>
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				<title>Fiona Rae</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does the Listener have a full TV/Radio anywhere on it's site?</p></blockquote><p>Also, see comments from Matt Sinnock above....</p>
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				<title>Fiona Rae</title>
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				<title>Fiona Rae</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does the Listener have a full TV/Radio anywhere on it's site?</p></blockquote><p>That's a tricky one &ndash; apart from the fact that it would be a massive undertaking, the networks might not want us stealing their thunder. They want you to go to their website, after all.</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						National Standards are a simplistic answer to a complex problem.To suddenly expect all children to achieve simply because a standard has been set shows a complete lack of understanding of what happens in schools and how children go about their learning. Thats' not say we teachers don't set standards for…
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>or insisting that students salute the flag like Merv Wellington did.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think we even had a flag at my primary school (or my college, come to that.) Except that time we did the Olympics and had to be different countries and made our own flags and I got…</p>
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						I had a teacher like that in 4th form. I was topping the class anyway (out of sheer asynchrony and infallible memory), but it was a revelation that you could do that by being interesting and creative, not just by rote regurgitation. Also, the other kids suddenly got a lot…
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						Out of nowhere I topped my primary school academically in standard 4, it was down to one teacher whose teaching style would be called 'Subversive and Hippie" today, but was just amazingly engaging from memory.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That these silly 'standards' don't work for disabled students is merely a subset of them not working for anyone.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure that they don't work for above average students. But they're not the ones who need help from the government.</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...</p></blockquote><p>Which would be questionable given that it's obviously pejorative to hermaphrodites, who are already severely marginalized by society.  An indicator of the lexis users' ethical slutitude. </p><p>sanctimonious, moi?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That these silly 'standards' don't work for disabled students is merely a subset of them not working for anyone.</p></blockquote><p>To clarify, they fail for the same underlying reason in both cases &ndash; by promoting a concept of "normal" that doesn't match reality.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Jane Clifton (who by any sane measure is astoundingly inept at taking pillow-dictation from Der McCullynator)</p></blockquote><p>If you want to spin it that way. On the other hand, she does manage, this week, to compare Phil Goff to Adolph Hitler, so... *shrug*</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>That these silly 'standards' don't work for disabled students is merely a subset of them not working for anyone. </p><p>In stark contrast with our world-leading and forward-looking curriculum, the whole sad approach is so resolutely old-fashioned that I'm surprised Tolley is not doling out stone tablets or insisting that students…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:26:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There's a good reason for this: in a competitive "league table" environment, those of us whose children have special needs that might drag down scores will not be welcome at many schools.</p></blockquote><p>I think "even more unwelcome" is probably a better way of putting that. But I think even worse…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...</p></blockquote><p>Cussing others causes clenching, mostly to them.</p>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						<p>For me it was combination of school ratings with no impediment to league table and the altered of funding to schools weighted more on academic achievement versus social situation meaning the lowest would be driven lower that was the real acid on the metal.</p><blockquote><p>I just know that twatcock is…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:03:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(you could link a Black article criticising National Party ideals if you want to prove me wrong)</p></blockquote><p>I'd have to give you a citation, but like Jane Clifton (who by any sane measure is astoundingly inept at taking pillow-dictation from Der McCullynator) why mess with man-tronising truthiness?</p>
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				<title>Matt Sinnock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hopefully they'll be able to manage it themselves</p></blockquote><p>Hopefully we can indeed. Having recently taken on the job of looking after APN's magazines online presence, I feel rather like I'm nursing a neglected puppy back to health. RSS feeds of content as it becomes available online is high on my…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I thought I was judging it on its merits, which is her having turned a thoughtful magazine into a vehicle for "does my mortgage look big in this" type drivel.</p><p>Just as an example, one has the Listeners copious education coverage, which is about wanting to build a sifting system…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:16:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						I just know that twatcock is going to be word of the year...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:07:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have, or need, the editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black to sound like them.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, yes... the infamous editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch.  Oddly enough, our host (back when he was wearing his Media Watch hat) did a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:06:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>@Rich:  A much simpler solution would be to stop being a patriarchal twatcock and judge Black's work on its merits (or otherwise) not her marital status or husband's occupation.</p><p>Not really that complicated.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Australian ministers have committed to publishing data about schools' financial resources, fees, charges and voluntary contributions and levels of capital expenditure. In some respects, it will do the job that the Education Review Office does here.</p></blockquote><p>Precisely. I'm so thoroughly sick of the simplistic comparisons that ignore the critical differences…</p>
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						If Black has a problem with people thinking that she has an identity of opinion with her husband, then there's a simple solution: stop producing a pamphlet of National party talking points. (with quality TV reviews)
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>assuming they are still together &ndash; I may be out of touch</p></blockquote><p>I believe you are.</p><p>Black's an engaging feature writer.</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>DeepRed said: "And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have the editorial interference of Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black."</p></blockquote><p>Tony O'Reilly heads APN. He has made his views clear in speeches. </p><p>Was it Murdoch or Robert Maxwell who said: "You don't need to tell an editor what…</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Stephen Judd said: "It isn't sexism to bet that spouses influence each other more than randomly assorted couples, but common sense."</p></blockquote><p>They may well do that. It would be understandable if they did. To what extent does Murray McCully influence Jane Clifton, for example (assuming they are still together -…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The painful revisting of a test driven education system,1970's style , flies in the face of what we now know about children.</p></blockquote><p>In Japan it's called 'shiken jigoku'. And add 'gakushu juku' to the mix...</p><p>And if it's anything to go by, APN doesn't even have, or need, the editorial…</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig R said:  "try joining us in the 21st century where women are allowed to have jobs and opinions without a permission slip from their husbands."</p></blockquote><p>While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and have first-hand experience of same, based on her writings for over a decade, I doubt Joanne…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If it was actually possible to pay money so that Joanne Black had to spend half an hour every week in the rain, I swear I would &ndash; I'd turn into a gift idea to my friends fact.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure there's an app for that.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>She has great taste</p></blockquote><p>Someone is angling for special cuddles</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But then again, I'm old skool &ndash; I'm quite happy to pay for content to keep our writers and musicians in coffee money, even though my small contribution won't clothe or shelter them.</p></blockquote><p>If it was actually possible to pay money so that Joanne Black had to spend half an…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes! This is very close to my 'babies are tiny stoned people' theory, upon which I have been expounding in Twitterland</p></blockquote><p>My boy turned 5 last week and we (his fans) sang him "happy birthday" with a great cake, and the smile on his face while he waited to blow…</p>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						I always think Joanne Brown's views on education should be viewed in light of the way she doesn't actually seem to like her children very much.
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						<p>In my experience as a kid  National Party houses were tight, very serious environments . Maybe that's what was meant. The mindset of two confirming conservative minds.</p><p>and back to Craig for the weather.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Taking the cue, I think you mean <em>queue</em></p></blockquote><p>At least I didn't spell it que.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>That said, JB was witty and personable when we had her on Media7.</p><p>But I doubt I'll ever forgive the awful column she wrote about the development of the new secondary schools' curriculum. She managed to find the website for the project, but apparently was so consumed with complaint she…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They are little hippies, untroubled by politics.</p></blockquote><p>Yes! This is very close to my 'babies are tiny stoned people' theory, upon which I have been expounding in Twitterland.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It isn't sexism to bet that spouses influence each other more than randomly assorted couples, but common sense.</p></blockquote><p>@Stephen:  'Common sense' is quite often neither.  Don't know about you, but my partner doesn't give much weight to my views about his work, and I wouldn't be foolish enough to proffer…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>[I removed some unnecessary abuse here &mdash; RB]</p></blockquote><p>That's your call &mdash; how about the nasty abuse of Black as some brainless sock puppet of her "flunky" husband?</p><p>And I think it's actually very necessary to keep calling out the tiresome and sexist crap that keeps getting thrown at Black.…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ain't the English language daft?</p></blockquote><p>Tis a kookoo coup</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>The painful revisting of a test driven education system,1970's style , flies in the face of what we now know about children.</p><p>They learn incredibly well in natural, low pressure, empathetic hippy environments. They are little hippies, untroubled by politics. All they want is a swell time.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:08:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>cues?</p></blockquote><p>Taking the cue, I think you mean <em>queue</em> (ain't the English language daft?)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:02:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>uroskin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As a Listener subscriber, it continues to bother me that they stopped identifying who wrote the editorials.</p></blockquote><p>Who do they think they are? The Economist?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>So these are the highlights of the week that were published in print form in the listener a week or so ago, published daily on-line?</p><p>Now what will I read in from the listener in supermarket cues?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						FWIW, I'm less concerned about how Joanne Black's arguments might be influenced by her husband, than by the fact that they're so often superficial and glib, and frequently appeal to faux "common sense".
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>[I removed some unnecessary abuse here &mdash; RB] try joining us in the 21st century where women are allowed to have jobs and opinions without a permission slip from their husbands.</p></blockquote><p>It isn't sexism to bet that spouses influence each other more than randomly assorted couples, but common sense.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As a Listener subscriber, it continues to bother me that they stopped identifying who wrote the editorials.</p></blockquote><p>Not me. I enjoy playing "Who wrote that?!" of a Saturday.</p><p>eg. ,</p><blockquote><p>Hands up those who agree with this proposal...</p></blockquote><p>"Joanne Black?"</p><blockquote><p>... Not only should there be national standards in schools,…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>man-tronising</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOzSio5RZw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOzSio5RZw</a></p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Excellent!!
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				<title>Fraser Gardyne</title>
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						<p>Ohh I almost forgot...</p><p>I also enjoy reading the guy who sounds like Russell Brown. Bill Ralston I think his name is.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Joanne Black's husband is a flunky on John Key's staff, so do the maths, as the saying goes.</p></blockquote><p>[I removed some unnecessary abuse here &mdash; RB] try joining us in the 21st century where women are allowed to have jobs and opinions without a permission slip from their husbands.</p>
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				<title>Fraser Gardyne</title>
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						<p>As a Listener subscriber, it continues to bother me that they stopped identifying who wrote the editorials. Editorials are opinion and I want to know who's opinion it is please.</p><p>More positively I'm pleased that the Listener has added more pages to their letters to the Editor. They are usually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:15:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But while they read like just another corporate-media National party booster rag, I won't be buying.</p></blockquote><p>Joanne Black's husband is a flunky on John Key's staff, so do the maths, as the saying goes.</p><p>My main gripe however since Pamela Stirling took over is that it's became a bland "lifestyle"…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Forget a permalink, what about an RSS feed? I feel a weekend hacking project coming on...</p></blockquote><p>Hopefully they'll be able to manage it themselves :-)</p>
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				<title>Dan Horne</title>
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						Hmm, I subscribed to the Listener precisely because I couldn't get its at its online content in a timely fashion. But then again, I'm old skool &ndash; I'm quite happy to pay for content to keep our writers and musicians in coffee money, even though my small contribution won't clothe…
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						I used to subscribe to the Listener, then APN bought them and turned it into a lifeboat for NBR and DomPost writers I never wanted to read in the first place. The last straw was an utterly appalling mess under Deborah Hill Cone's name after she took over from Russell…
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						Forget a permalink, what about an RSS feed? I feel a weekend hacking project coming on...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:42:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I'm so glad Fiona's doing this. When I'm setting my HD recorder (can you tell I still think it's very flash, even if everyone else here is light years ahead of me?), I always turn to her pages to tell me what's good and what's not.
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						<p>Does the Listener have a full TV/Radio anywhere on it's site? Surely that is one of it's defining services, and its not like by with holding the information people will go by the print version, they'll simply look somewhere else on line. </p><p>I know you're talking about editorial content, but…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Good to see more Radiation, even if it's elsewhere :)
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				<title>Kebabette</title>
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						<p>Fiona is fab.<br />Especially love the brevity wit hits. Tim Biggott-Smith indeed.</p>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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