She hates it. Leaps up, yells "NO!" and turns the teev off.

We must get our daughters to meet.

As the ad shows most news hours this is kind of vexing.

She gets smarter by the minute.

Yesterday I made a backwards version of hallelujah and it's not bad...

What, no messages to worship the devil or similar?

My daughter (aged five) has a similar intense reaction to some music – the latest, slightly bizarre one, is to the music on the Vodafone ad.

She hates it.…

And gratuitous clips from Bugsy Malone-- truly, one of the strangest films to come out of a major studio during a very strange decade — can't ever be wrong. Can they? :)

Agreed.

Boink... you're quite right. 'Bein' Green' was the work of Joe Raposo — who also wrote that pre-school tribal rave 'C is for Cookie'. :)

That's good enough for me.

But I also find Williams' songs often cheesy as all get out but strangely affecting.

Yep, a superb pop classicist…

You're talking about The Rainbow Connection, rather than Bein' Green, though, right?

Boink... you're quite right. 'Bein' Green' was the work of Joe Raposo — who also wrote that pre-school tribal rave 'C is for Cookie'. :)

But I also find Williams' songs often cheesy as all get out but…

the wonder that is Paul Williams

You're talking about The Rainbow Connection , rather than Bein' Green , though, right?

'It's Not Easy Being Green' is pretty amazingly poignant for something being mimed by a green felt frog puppet.

Ah yes, the wonder that is Paul Williams — the tiny thread that connects The Muppet Movie, The Phantom of the Paradise, Bugsy Malone, The Carpenters and Scissor Sisters.

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=sA_0cvd1EUM&feature=PlayList&p=05A75FA64AF1DA2E&playnext=1&index=5

We haven't made any major experiments

Yesterday I made a backwards version of hallelujah and it's not bad....It's refreshed my interest in a song that I have long felt overexposed to, even before what has happened in the UK as I've not heard it on TV/Radio at all in last…

Super classy, Rich

Wait. Rich, in fine form, tells a super-annoying MRA to bugger off, and you're attacking *him*?

Having caught up on 3-4 days worth of posts after the weekend, and mulled it over, I actually think it's appropriate for me to extend an apology for the way my…

Would she cry along to this? I wouldn't, of course. But, umm, I have to go now......

She goes all quiet and pouty but hasn't cracked yet.

'It's Not Easy Being Green' is pretty amazingly poignant for something being mimed by a green felt frog puppet

Ain't that the truth...

The other day for instance she started bawling while singing along to "It's not easy being green"... (it was kind of cute).

Kind of? That sounds *aggressively* cute.

'It's Not Easy Being Green' is pretty amazingly poignant for something being mimed by a green felt frog puppet. It has an…

(it was kind of cute).

A cute ly aware?

Are there any other clues about the response that have become apparent? eg played other music with a similar epic spiraling crescendo, or the track without the vocals, or even the track backwards.

We haven't made any major experiments. To tell you the truth, I'm reluctant to expose her to…

Are there any other clues about the response that have become apparent? eg played other music with a similar epic spiraling crescendo, or the track without the vocals, or even the track…

He must be like that dreadful leftie rag, the Harold.

Sacha: I thought you were totally innocent of the man and his works, and if so you might want to stick to the scientific method where you test a hypothesis before coming to a conclusion.

And I don't really give…

Sacha, somewhat like this, I expect:
Evocative image. (SFW)

Mwahahaha, Time goatse'd itself. How excellent!

I have it on good authority that several of the Clark methods breach the Geneva Convention

And I don't even have to raise my voice. Torture is so much more effective when it's done in silence.

.

I want her treated at least as a lawful enemy combatant – that's how…

She says in her experience the middle child of three often has more behaviour 'issues' than the other two, but they grow up into very interesting adults

If she's half as interesting as an adult as she is as a child, boy...

I have it on good authority that several…

No, I have no idea what that would look like either.

Sacha, somewhat like this, I expect:

Evocative image. (SFW)

Chris Matthews is a liberal??? Who knew?!

Well, MSNBC seems to be trying to position itself as the "liberal Fox" — which seems to me to be missing the point, and hitting a forest full of cute and harmless critters. Then again, I'm one of those old crusties who believes…

Giovanni
Re the great childminder. She says in her experience the middle child of three often has more behaviour 'issues' than the other two, but they grow up into very interesting adults

(I knew I shoulda checked...)

So, it's all good.

Maybe the echo chamber is reaching its logical conclusion and they're all going to disappear up some fundamental flag-draped orifice.

Camels through the needle's eye? Don't forget the famous Limbaugh nether-orifice cyst.

End time? Maybe the echo chamber is reaching its logical conclusion and they're all going to disappear up some fundamental flag-draped orifice.

Oh, I'm sure the wonderful eco-system that is the American punditocracy will throw up plenty of fatuous liberal pundits to fill the vacant niche in no time at…

Sean Hannity interview Rush Limbaugh

End time? Maybe the echo chamber is reaching its logical conclusion and they're all going to disappear up some fundamental flag-draped orifice.

Dude, I've been watching Sean Hannity interview Rush Limbaugh on Fox News. Reality gets a complete and utter rogering there ...

Why don't you just eat your own weight in psychoactive drugs — sure, you're going to die a horrible death, but at least it would be a comparatively dignified…

Seriously, what is it going to take before a talkback radio host faces any kind of real and lasting accountability for telling objective reality to go fuck itself?

Dude, I've been watching Sean Hannity interview Rush Limbaugh on Fox News. Reality gets a complete and utter rogering there ...

Hooten? – well what a jolly surprise.

*sigh* Well, at least I don't recall him giving Clint Rickards an unchallenged platform (or two) to smear a certain someone as a mentally unstable liar. Seriously, what is it going to take before a talkback radio host faces any kind of real…

The person on Radio Live making stuff up would have been Matthew Hooten. He did not originally use the correct name so someone else must have put him right.

I don't know about that one, Giovanni. My methods work, but I'm not sure that you'd approve of all of them!

There are some things we muggles don't need to know.

I don't know about that one, Giovanni. My methods work, but I'm not sure that you'd approve of all of them!

Oh no, I approve unquestioningly.

In the meantime, I think we should organise a great blend with Jackie and see if her "look" is stronger than Lucia's. A veritable clash of the titans!

We give little girls with strong personalities to my strong-personalitied 11 year old daughter. Either they sort each other out or form…

Giovanni
I do know a babysitter who can cope with any child (and also likes them all). She's otherwise occupied at the moment but may be occasionally available. if you are interested I'll ask her.

Actually, that'd be great. It may not be immediately insofar as number three is a…

Giovanni
I do know a babysitter who can cope with any child (and also likes them all). She's otherwise occupied at the moment but may be occasionally available. if you are interested I'll ask her.

Pity I'm not in Welly, Giovanni. All my friends' kids used to be silenced with…

muttley style laughter

Heh. You mean demented wheezing, Sofie?

Find out what's wrong before that person turns into Michael Laws

ROFLnui :)

It takes the complete lack of a village to raise a child, you mean?

Well in this case it was complete lack of parents.

Nah, just that from my point of view the problem that might warrant such an action doesn't really exist.

Russell, the way you're talking down this…

Find out what's wrong before that person turns into Michael Laws ...

Nice one. But I don't think the smallness of the country contributes anything to reducing rivalry. Small towns are notorious for their feuding.

The extent of the problem is totally your call, though. You're not responsible for dragging…

By 'a bit much' do you mean he might find it offensive, or use it as an excuse to hack into you again?

Nah, just that from my point of view the problem that might warrant such an action doesn't really exist.

In your case it could just be better…

Apparently, you should move to Hawkes Bay. Voila! No babysitter needed.

It takes the complete lack of a village to raise a child, you mean? We did our best in that regard, by preparing her to the arrival of the third child by establishing well in advance a solid foundation…

That was a blow to the self esteem. But no matter, we couldn't have gone anyway – the babysitter who can deal with our middle child ain't born yet.

Apparently, you should move to Hawkes Bay. Voila! No babysitter needed.

I'm amused that people feel the need for Russell and…

I'm not posing the idea as a duty for you. It's just a better idea than boxing, if you would like the public snipes between the two…

Indeed it is. A better idea would be calling the guy up, offering to buy him a drink, to chat about what's really going on. You might end up friends that way. If he refuses, at least you tried. This approach has worked for me with workplace 'enemies'.

I think…

Gawd, that's tragic. Really tragic.

Indeed it is. A better idea would be calling the guy up, offering to buy him a drink, to chat about what's really going on. You might end up friends that way. If he refuses, at least you tried. This approach has worked for me…

but with any luck this should be a clip of Mitch Benn from the Now Show, attacking a recent cover of Hallelujah, but using the same tune.

Nice. With a different tune, though, which I think makes his point about not cannibalising the song. Also saved the show a bit…

[Nah — you just hadn't pasted in the URL correctly — it had funny characters in it. — RB]

I shouldn't laugh, but the image that comes to mind is:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

Yeah, that'd be no use, she has Sue Bradford on speed-dial.

That would only make her angrier.

I shouldn't laugh, but the image that comes to mind is:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

This made me cry, as I sang the song to myself in my head. Beautiful song.

Yes it is. Where I was Friday, one of the guys I spoke with informed me that 1/2 his crew had gone to the concert and one of them admitted he had cried also.…

When my younger sibling Mary Emma died last year, "Halleujah" was *her" song of exit at the crematorium.

This made me cry, as I sang the song to myself in my head. Beautiful song.

We were estranged from a…

Ahh, whatever happened to the good ol' daze of valium.

That would only make her angrier.

O, and I really like a large number of Cohen's songs.
When my younger sibling Mary Emma died last year, "Halleujah" was *her" song of exit at the crematorium.

The aforementioned middle child (3 years old) is really affected by music, and whenever she hears Hallelujah (which is never, these…

After noting that Cohen was $140( and not just the $170 everyone used as excuses to decline such a pleasure, selfish admittedly) I promptly hit the buy button. And, may I just say ,worth every penny . :)

I see you're not letting my bitterness spoil the experience. Good.

I…

I wish people stopped reminding me that they've been to see Leonard Cohen. (The lucky bastards.)

I know what you mean. I feel the same about those lucky bastards who saw Neil Young at BDO.

Some of us were lucky enough to see both (breaks into muttley style laughter about…

there was an interesting interview with John Gray replayed on Kim Hill's RNZ show over the weekend labelled "on the Death of utopia".

I think that stuff is a lot more comprehensible in an audio format.

there was an interesting interview with John Gray replayed on Kim Hill's RNZ show over the weekend labelled "on the Death of utopia".

I think that stuff is a lot more comprehensible in an audio format.

If the media, or anyone else for that matter wants to hype it up and there's not personal animosity, why not make the most out that free publicity by raising some cash for a very good cause and proving that you're better than they suggest in…

Bearing in mind that it's probably likely to played up by the media every time you and Bill so much as sneeze in opposite directions , I wonder if opposing sides of a charity debate might be a better considerably better use of skillsets and a better example.

Frankly, I…

Gawd, that's tragic. Really tragic.

Quite a spectacular failure to understand from the Radio Live people concerned...are they really that stupid?

Bearing in mind that it's probably likely to played up by the media every time you and Bill so much as sneeze in opposite directions , I wonder if…

If I had basked in the Cohenesque glow I suspect you'd be hearing about it for quite some time (if only to justify the ticket price).

What can I say, from a basking position? Sucks to be you, I guess ;-)

(It was expensive, but worth every cent – currently…

I wish people stopped reminding me that they've been to see Leonard Cohen. (The lucky bastards.)

I know what you mean. I feel the same about those lucky bastards who saw Neil Young at BDO.

I have done a review of LC's Auckland concert and it should be on kiwiboomers…

religion is one of the most vicious memes humans have invented. To date.

O, and I really like…

Leonard Cohen said something similar during his mid-concert patter at his Auckland concert on Thursday night,

I wish people stopped reminding me that they've been to see Leonard Cohen. (The lucky bastards.)

their take is that Russell and Bill have 'issues'

I guess personalising an argument means you never have to take the trouble to understand what it is about – or admit that you don't know how to.

That, for me (& I've studied, and indeed, practised "religions" for over 30 years before realising I was being a nitwit & abusing my brain)

Leonard Cohen said something similar during his mid-concert patter at his Auckland concert on Thursday night,
__I have plunged myself into many religion and philosophies...but cheerfulness kept…

Mark's just got a longer fuse for people like Chuck, perhaps because he hasn't met him elsewhere, and doesn't know what to expect.

It's strange over here, when people have a discussion, you'll see one person talking at a time, and they go on and on, you come back an…

(Yawn). If you must know, as far as I'm concerned you're a rather tedious non-event. I'm sure it's mutual. Nothing personal.

No, it's not mutual at all, I enjoy reading a lot of what you write, politically unbuffed as I am. cheer up man.

Thanks Yamis, that was a good…

That, for me (& I've studied, and indeed, practised "religions" for over 30 years before realising I was being a nitwit & abusing my brain) is the (sorry) crux of the matter.

Religion is a huge driver of violence…

Or am i a racist bigot?

(Yawn). If you must know, as far as I'm concerned you're a rather tedious non-event. I'm sure it's mutual. Nothing personal.

In the unlikely event that Bird…

I agree, Chuck's been pulling all shades of shit out of his ass, almost as if his brain gets reformatted after every post.

Heh. Sometimes, mark, sometimes, you're so spot on....

But yeah, Chuck shifts the goal posts every time he gets cornered.

my only misgiving was the 'please leave'…

Many of my whanau suffer from SAD (and a very unfortunate few, from severe clinical depression as well.) Vit. D capsules – specifically
Cholecalciferol (D3) are what we gulp with our morning coffees (or whatever.)

There are 2 who – o the irony of it all! – who…

annnd, a note about sunshine: *most people* in our archipelago who live…

Yeah I understand Sacha, thanks for replying, lovely day here too despite being cold as, last day of the Pig, fireworks sporadically echoing around the buildings. I agree, Chuck's been pulling all shades of…

For me, it's not that I disagree with what Chuck…

who me, Chuck or you? be as you need to be Joe, but unless someone sucks it in and is prepared to tolerate the hardship of reading through crap that people like me write, the aggression and endemic violence epidemic you guys are surrounded by and pay…

Sure what Chuck is saying is erroneous, and misguided . . .

Attention slut. Bit of a shrew, too.

This whole debate started because Russell was trying to minimise the amount and extent of domestic violence initiated by women against men.

I think the idea of the ad campaign is indeed to minimise – or eliminate – domestic violence initiated by anyone against anyone , but I suspect that's…

This whole debate started because Russell was trying to minimise the amount and extent of domestic violence initiated by women against men.

Seriously? If you're capable of that level of reasoning, then I guess "she asked for it" isn't much of a stretch.

Chuck, go back and read Ralston's column,…

"It's saying it isn't okay to brush off domestic violence as something that only happens in some "other" part of society."

Steve, that is exactly what you and Russell have been trying to do.

Show me the instance where I said it was okay to dismiss domestic violence if it…

what does "initiate" mean?

To me in this instance it would mean struck the first real blow, or threw the first toaster that connected with the face. NOT said the first swearword.

I don't think I'd rate myself longterm if my wife shoved me and I then beat…

Chuck, are you referring to say, something like this from RB?

No one is denying that women commit violence in relationships or families. It happens. I've seen it. But the fact sheet notes that that six times as…

I'm assuming that the stats in NZ back this up, because I couldn't actually…

This whole debate started because Russell was trying to minimise the amount and extent of domestic violence initiated by women against men.

The most likely way a middle aged woman would be infected would be by a closet bisexual partner often her husband. I think classing a closet bisexual who would put his wife at risk as dirty and filthy would be quite appropriate.

Chuck: Putting anyone at risk of infection with…

When there are anger issues – to use the jargon- in my whanau, we tell people -kids/whomever- to go kick waves. And we mean it. But – beating sand with a rock or stick/hitting pillows/or really digging a shitload…

If you're angry, go punch a punching bag, not another person.

Now Kyle, I don't really want to drag you over coals for this, because I'm certain it happens everyday, but I did find it very interesting in light of your parents' respective professions. What witnessed crimes would you ordinarily not hesitate reporting to the police?

1. Well, as I said…

or say it isn't okay to brush off domestic violence as something that only happens in some "other" part of society?

Steve, that is exactly what you and Russell have been trying to do.

“It's not ok to say it only happens in certain parts of society
So be careful what you say”

Mark, are you trying say that domestic violence happens at the same rate in higher socio economic homes...></blockquote>

No. He's quoting the ad, and the ad isn't saying anything about the…

Mark, are you trying say that domestic violence happens at the same rate in higher socio economic homes where both parents are married to each other as it does in a home with a solo mother on a benefit and a live in boyfriend?

according to to the man, it's…

Mark, are you trying say that domestic violence happens at the same rate in higher socio economic homes where both parents are married to each other as it does in a…

unless she was actually asking for you to buy that ticket

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2008/200812/20081209/article_383822.htm

It's not ok to be cruel to your boy

unless of course he rips off your life savings

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/11/03/going-postal-jerk-son-steals-fortune-flying-ferraris-and-a-soup-kitchen-for-dogs.aspx

It's not ok to control your family with threats…

the persil laundry powder ad, promoting dirt

I love that campaign. It's as smart as one of Microsoft's early goals: "a computer on every desk and in every home".

No — but if you're calling someone a sexist ignoramus, perhaps "softcock" is tonally a wee bit off.

Yes, I could do without the stuff about the learning deficiencies too I must say.

Wait. Rich, in fine form, tells a super-annoying MRA to bugger off, and you're attacking *him*?

No — but if you're calling someone a sexist ignoramus, perhaps "softcock" is tonally a wee bit off. Oh, and kids don't use socio-historical disparity as a defence for being a noxious fucktard in…

Emma, check out the following.

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagesmh/2871/$File/issue-62-aids-nz-nov08.pdf

You will note that since 2000 only one female has been infected with HIV. I doubt if she would be the average middle aged woman. That…

Super classy, Rich

Wait. Rich, in fine form, tells a super-annoying MRA to bugger off, and you're attacking *him*?

Despite all the scare mongering in the eighties,
it's f*cking hard to get AIDS

Fucking hard, and in all the wrong places? Ho ho. I'm gonming to regret this...

]]> Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:08:20 +1300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-its-not-ok-to-just-make-stuff-up/?p=90253#post90253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-its-not-ok-to-just-make-stuff-up/?p=90253#post90253 When there is pararity of men and women in boardrooms, parliament, and pay, when women can stand up and do a job without being called a bitch or a lesbian, when women can work in offices without being subjected to, and having to tolerate, crude and heavy-handed flirtation verging on…

If the social parasites who work for the AIDS Foundation cared about reducing the incidence of HIV they would recommend that homosexuals not to have promiscuous and often anonymous sex.

The kind of garbled English produced by one-handed typing.

Hadn't seen one of those for a while.

This is not normally a venue where I need my ROFLcopter, or my Lollercoaster.

ROFLMFAO

Hadn't seen one of those for a while.

If the social parasites who work for the AIDS Foundation cared about reducing the incidence of HIV they would recommend that homosexuals not to have promiscuous and often anonymous sex.

ROFLMFAO

Chuck honey, the ad featured the word 'needle'.

Doubtless her nurse was one of those dirty filthy bisexuals.

Emma, think about it. How is a middle aged women gonming to…

Kyle, if one of my children smacked one of their children when they deserved it in public…

That's certainly a discussion I'd be interested in.

In relation to this incident we were in a crowd going down stairways and it happened behind us, so we would have had to fight through people to get back to it. And I didn't see it, but my girlfriend did, so…

I feel that having good ways to deal with other's violence or discussing methods of safe intervention or protection, coud be far more useful in stemming these problems on the whole.

Should he have called the cops? the captain? Isaac Wshington?
Didn't exactly sound like the Love Boat.

That's certainly…

Really? When did these pop up? At best, it should be phrased as 'the alleged ill effects..' (I do know a thing or two about the research literature, and the weaknesses of US-sourced 'effects' research)

i think some of the stuff steven is referring to might be from the Dunedin…

And you succeeded admirably.

As did you.

When I was first asked (by a francophone German) "Do you like crêpes?" my first response was wondering why anyone would like crap.

German's shocking for that. My father-in-law asked me after a pretty bad trip to his house "How was your fart?", to which I answered "Suss, very suss"…

Social engineering belongs in the hands of private enterprise!

Great line – I expect to see it on a tee shirt sometime. I'd say there will still be intervention in social issues – but framed as you'd expect along National/Act lines in terms of law and order, personal responsibility, productivity…

I've noticed public radio mentioning studies warning of the ill-heath effects of television on children.

Really? When did these pop up? At best, it should be phrased as 'the alleged ill effects..' (I do know a thing or two about the research literature, and the weaknesses of US-sourced 'effects' research)…

I still do mental double takes when Germans talk about their famous philosopher Kant, which sounds exactly like

When I was first asked (by a francophone German) "Do you like crêpes?" my first response was wondering why anyone would like crap.

All ads are a form of social engineering, for…

Out of interest, Do ALAC make many ads illustrating the positives of drinking or are they all mainly just demonising?

Yeah, they did a bunch featuring guys being the designated driver (the one with the drunk guy sitting in the back of the car making beeping noises as they back…

But the social engineering label is just lazy. All ads are a form of social engineering, for heaven's sake. That we should use some of that time to promote useful messages doesn't seem such a bad idea.

Absolutely agree. It grates about as much as "PC gone mad!"

The plethora of public service ads may dilute the effect of the more worthwhile ones

I want to find out the person who came up with the ACC ones, and with the person who thought it was okay to show them so early in the day. They're terrifying and stupid.…

The Herald's John Drinnan weighs in on the debate (scroll down to the "Hustle for Russell" subheading):

"I'm with Ralston on those social engineering ads. I know the messages are valid – but the Nanny State connections are so pervasive..."

To be fair to Drinnan, his point ends up being…

The dilemna of the possibly over sexed Danes was solved when I realised it seemed to mean something like "Sale"

Heh, classic. I still do mental double takes when Germans talk about their famous philosopher Kant, which sounds exactly like.....

The not OK campaign that says it is never okay to hit a woman clearly implies it is sometimes okay for a woman to hit a man.

... ! ? !

I cannot be bother looking up a source of which they are many as it would be out of…

And Max (whoever you are) if I want to post stuff on Kiwiblog then I will do it myself – kindly stop feeding what I post here to our rude and rather dim troll.

Apologies Sacha if I have broken some unwritten blog etiquette and/or annoyed you.
I was genuinely…

I believe....

I have seen a photo...

The demonising of men....

Very few men.....

most men.....

some women think..... .

I cannot be bother looking up a source.....

If men and women were treated equally before the law....

Most lefties are not prepared to debate an issue

Chuck, for someone…

I'm with Ralston on those social engineering ads. I know the messages are valid – but the Nanny State connections are so pervasive...

The dilemna of the possibly over sexed…