Which leaves open the version that I linked to on Fortune, which says that Google is making a deal that would privilege classes of data, not sources i.e. voice over video.

Which makes it classic Quality of Service, rather than a way of making people pay for faster (or not-slower)…

RT @googlepubpolicy: @NYTimes is wrong. We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traffic. We remain committed [to an open internet].

That last bit is a paraphrase 'cause it went over the character limit when I retweeted it.

However, Twitter is protecting me from distraction by fail-whaling so I can't even read…

In terms of the google images search, the best…

what has happened to Google Image Search?
it looks like rubbish...

It does, and it loads 2700 images at once, while not telling you where any of them are from unless you hover over them individually. As you say, rubbish!

...progress
sigh...

But does it make up for him being such a dick?

but it's only S-capist literature...

That will, ahem, effect the mincing, superior i-person, the plain grey MS clone, and the ghostly attic-dwelling still-wearing-the-same-underpants-I-turned-13-in linux-fiend alike.

So what about the Mac User on a Linux server with Parallels desktop running Windows XP so they can use MYOB?

I'll just go change my underpants. You can watch…

Orly?

That's likely to be the "study" extensively discussed upthread, no? I still think it's ludicrous myself.

Toys for the self-obsessed

A poll of 20,000 consumers has found the average Apple iPad owner is a self-centred workaholic who doesn't care about others. The study looked at what type of person is likely to have bought…

It looks functional enough. It might not replace my laptop or my dumbphone, but I tihnk it could be a huge step forward for millions of users. The mobile device revolution is in full swing around the world, and…

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Yepindeedy, it's a religion. No point trying to deny it any longer. Can we agree on a black attire for the Apple Brethren, along the lines of Professor Snape?

I like capes. And pants. Stovepipes of course. Literally.

Apple Magic Trackpad: The Beginning of the End for Mac OS X

Because this is Steve and Co. way of telling us that the future is multitouch, and the mouse is death.

Yes, that's true, but when what you need is a sonic screwdriver, a plain old flat-head is of no particular use.

There's an entire workshop in the Tardis.

On that note, is there a 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' iPad app? There should be.

There's better – Wikipedia. Cheaper than…

By far the coolest vehicle in all of speculative fiction.

Yes, that's true, but when what you need is a sonic screwdriver, a plain old flat-head is of no particular use.

On that note, is there a 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' iPad app? There should be.

ETA: I chickened…

Apple users are all Timelords, both justified and ancient. Did you not know that?

I'd be keener to have what the Doctor drives around in than what he carries in his pockets. By far the coolest vehicle in all of speculative fiction.

Apple users are all Timelords, both justified and ancient. Did you not know that?

I do feel bound to observe that the latest version is touting a "new realistic page-flip transition" ...

Hah! Serves me right.

Is it a zero sum game?

I'm not suggesting it is. There are things that I consider to be progress and that I'm excited to see develop and…

I'd like to see more stuff like the Alice in Wonderland app and less stuff like Flipbook

Is it a zero sum game? I wasn't aware that anyone was predicting that there would be a shortage of ipad apps over the next year, all no doubt different and from all…

I do feel bound to observe that the latest version is touting a "new realistic page-flip transition" ...

But aren't they doing rather different things?

Yes, entirely different things. I just find the former exciting, the latter not so much. And why I think it matters is that this struggle for the aesthetic of the Web is also a struggle for its knowledge model.

now that Gio has…

I'd like to see more stuff like the Alice in Wonderland app and less stuff like Flipbook

But aren't they doing rather different things?

Please do elaborate. I love discussion about interfaces. Digital charcoal, grunts around the fire, the universal raised eyebrow..

But as symbolic languages go, yes, I find the page swipe thing to be a step backwards.

I'm not going to convince you otherwise, I'm sure, but swiping and page-turning are integral to the iPad UI. You navigate between home screens by swiping horizontally. You turn pages in eBooks the…

You don't like the page metaphor in this case because you haven't used it and you've determined that the whole business is A Thoroughly Bad Thing anyway.

The page metaphor has been around on the Web forever. And I am not determined that the iPad is a Thoroughly Bad Thing,…

It's not different, it's silly. You can have that functionality without the image of the Web page flipping as if it was a book or magazine page. It ain't how the Web works. It's a static, conceptually limited yuppie aesthetic.

It's not a web page. It's an iPad app with…

Nothing ancient about it. Repeat after me. "The Web: it's a scroll, not a book." (Which by the way the makers of Twitter understand perfectly well.)

But it tells me at a glance who posted what and how many people liked it and how many people commented on it and what the last piece of the conversation was.... geared towards the social value added of participating in those conversations.

Thank goodness someone other than me likes…

It's not "silly", just different.

It's not different, it's silly. You can have that functionality without the image of the Web page flipping as if it was a book or magazine page. It ain't how the Web works. It's a static, conceptually limited yuppie aesthetic.

And I do dislike having…

It seems essentially the same to me – a tiled aggregate of the entries of various social networks.

Tweetdeck shows you peoples' tweets in more or less the same way that the Twitter webpage does only formatted differently. Flipboard shows you the content that is being linked to in the…

Neither of them look much like that screenshots from that Tweetdeck page – is that page not representative of Tweetdeck?

It seems essentially the same to me – a tiled aggregate of the entries of various social networks. Note though how it differs from Facebook – which is a vertically…

The entry point is that tiled page I see in the clip? That's exactly like Tweetdeck.

You mean the page that looks like this: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/flipboard-ipad-app.jpg ? That's the main menu. An example of the twitter feed is http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/flipboardnpr.jpg Neither of them look much like that screenshots from that Tweetdeck page…

If the Tweetdeck you're talking about looks like this: http://www.tweetdeck.com/beta/ then yes it is ghastly and no Flipboard doesn't look like that!

The entry point is that tiled page I see in the clip? That's exactly like Tweetdeck. Flipbook appears to do many more things besides, obviously, and it will…

I don't want to see the whole content (which is why I don't read full RSS content on Google reader), just the title and beginning and maybe a picture so I can decide whether to click through.

Oops, sorry. Yes it basically the same level of detail as Facebook gives.…

Gawd, we're on a slope now...

Coat, etc.

Compared to what? may I ask.

What are you implying, sir?

Actually, don't answer that. ;)

But seriously, I think I'd prefer about a 12" screen over the current 9.7", and my eyesight is fairly okay. Mind you, I'm unused to phones, so... take it with a grain of salt.…

I had a play with an iPad in a shop yesterday. A bit small, if you ask me.

Compared to what? may I ask.
;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwJf_0xuMFw

Well Facebook doesn't generally show you the content that people link to so no – it does more than Facebook

I don't want to see the whole content (which is why I don't read full RSS content on Google reader), just the title and beginning and maybe a picture so…

I recall other Twitter apps I looked into that included pictures, etc in the stream

Sure, but do they look like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vpvEDS00o

You mean it's like Facebook then? That would suit me, I like it much better than Twitter.

Well Facebook doesn't generally show you the content that people link to so no – it does more than Facebook (and it does the same with Facebook too). My main problem with it…

I recall other Twitter apps I looked into that included pictures, etc in the stream (and did not require an iPad to run on).

Giovanni, I thought apps like Tweetdeck merge Twitter and Facebook and even LinkedIn update streams.

What Flipboard does that I haven't seen from the likes of Tweetdeck is that it takes content from the stuff that people post links to. So if someone tweets a picture via twitpic you see…

I like its reassuring weightiness. And I love the turny-roundy functionality. Yes yes I know... but I don't have an iPhone or…

Good fun. If it was half the price...

Which may well overcome my bravado before handing over the card. There really is just a bucket load of residual guilt hanging over this purchase. But apparently this may explain it.

It's just a matter of faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ll36koaeY

Wow. My ticket in the Flipboard queue came up. It reformats your social media into a "social magazine" --very impressively.

Interesting. One of the reasons why I have only one foot in Twitter is that I fear that if I started following people it would be the death of me.…

Good fun. If it was half the price...

Being able to see what my friends are saying and doing on Facebook without having to look at that ghastly user interface makes me happy.

On that day he will judge the living and the politically dead, and his air miles shall have no end.

was he drug tested ? – on the telly his air smiles seemed to go right round his head – he was lit up like a pinball machine…

Chris Carter...

It is prophesied that Chris shall fall and rise again, to come into his future glory as the Clay Davis of Te Atatu. On that day he will judge the living and the politically dead, and his air miles shall have no end.

What a curious experience to play a game that you couldn't understand the cues for.

or Chris Carter...

what was he thinking...

What a curious experience to play a game that you couldn't understand the cues for.

sounds a lot like life...
;= )

What a curious experience to play a game that you couldn't understand the cues for.

Had that with a lot of games from Japan. Lots of garbled phrases stuck in my memory.

Yes, I think there were other clues in the game about the state of your character... Can't quite…

What a curious experience to play a game that you couldn't understand the cues for.

Warrior needs food, badly.

that's a cryptic clue right?

You're probably being cryptic back, but just in case... it's a phrase that was spoken during Gauntlet. I'm quite fond of it because it's one of only two English phrases outside of music lyrics that allows me to remember what it…

Warrior needs food, badly.

that's a cryptic clue right?
I calculate that:
wooden fries ardor
is the answer

-ooo

ooooo-

I'm really sorry, Russell. Didn't mean to attack you personally, or your purchases. I'll go elsewhere to have conversations about ethical consumerism and global interconnectedness.

Apology accepted. Sorry if I was sensitive, but it did feel a bit personal. Feel free to have the conversation.

I'll go elsewhere to have conversations about ethical consumerism and global interconnectedness.

No, don't do that; just don't mention specifics. Since everyone is as bad as everyone else, the fair thing to do is for us all to just sit around saying "Tsk. Isn't it terrible". ;)

Figuring that The Calculator Centre in Lorne Street would have every kind of calculator he tried there,

My God, I'd completely forgotten about that place, and my very first portable computer, the Casio PB100, which I had to save up for 2 months worth of paper deliveries (the Herald! Imagine!)…

Have a good birthday celebration with your mother.

we currently need petroleum to produce the material goods that will eventually replace our reliance on petroleum

I'd agree with you if you replaced the word "need" for "use" in that sentence. We use petroleum as power to produce stuff now, but we don't need to. It's just the cheapest…

You could have bought one of those locked-down Texas Instruments graphic calculators. Purchasing one of those really brings out the ire of most geeks, it seems.

I remember someone trying to buy a biorhythm calculator back in the olden days. Figuring that The Calculator Centre in Lorne Street would have…

You could have bought one of those locked-down Texas Instruments graphic calculators. Purchasing one of those really brings out the ire of most geeks, it seems.

Pfft, only HP calculators using RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) qualify as geek-worthy.

Apple don't do innovation on the product-category scale. Never have. They've never created a new class of product.

Apple created the first device to be called a PDA: the MessagePad 100 AKA Newton. The Apple II was also one of the first "home computers", if not the first.

Are you being a little defensive on this thing?

I don't think so.

I think Hilary originally queried what she saw as an implicit plug of JB Hi-Fi, a company with a questionable industrial relations record

It wasn't a plug. It's where I bought the thing, because it's near my…

Our unsustainable power sources will surely wind down

Hah!

[the iPad is] a new category of thing

No it's not. Apple don't do innovation on the product-category scale. Never have. They've never created a new class of product. Personal computers, cellphones, MP3 players, now tablets, they take things that others have done before and make them pretty and popular.…

Our unsustainable power sources will surely wind down, that is inevitable, although I think it's also likely to take an awfully long time, we still have so much oil, coal, uranium, natural gas, etc. But our ability to generate sustainable power is constantly rising at the same time, and…

See my comments upthread about writing (and reading) in portrait format, which certainly seems like an advantage to me.

I love portrait mode, but I can't see how this is much of an advantage for the iPad when the iPad's screen is only 1cm taller than my laptop's. And I'm…

Hilary, I'm seriously on the verge of taking offence here. You've clearly made the judgement that I have made an unnecessary purchase. I think that's up to me to decide.

Are you being a little defensive on this thing? I think Hilary originally queried what she saw as an implicit…

ArsTechnica's review of iWork for iPad

Sounds a bit constrained.

Not surprising for the first generation of the software. I thought they did quite well to get a multi-touch version of a productivity suite done as quickly as they did, given that no one's actually done it before.

it'll be interesting to see how the iWorks applications (and Keynote in particular) will work in multi-touch form

ArsTechnica's review of iWork for iPad

Sounds a bit constrained.

I'm struck by those who claim that the iPad isn't a content generation system. Now, perhaps because my kind of content generation is mostly about sticking words together in these eclectic things I call "sentences," I'm not convinced the iPad isn't a content generation device out of the box.

I…

Actually, Russell, get backing to the utility of the iPad.

I'm struck by those who claim that the iPad isn't a content generation system. Now, perhaps because my kind of content generation is mostly about sticking words together in these eclectic things I call "sentences," I'm not convinced the iPad…

Is the earth a finite environment? Technically, yes.

Technically the entire universe is finite. But please note it's also fucking enormous. So is the sun, which provides most of the energy on the earth, it's good for billions of years. I'm not really that worried about peak oil.

I'm struck by those who claim that the iPad isn't a content generation system. Now, perhaps because my kind of content generation is mostly about sticking words together in these eclectic things I call "sentences," I'm not convinced the iPad…

And I have no idea what you mean with that "gun" comment.

Sort of "let us know when you buy a Segway", but less calculated to offend?

Most forms of commerce are pyramid schemes of one sort or another. It's not the form, but human nature..

and

...it relies on endless growth in a finite environment. This is impossible, but society in general is happy to live in a state of self-deception…

it relies on endless growth in a finite environment. This is impossible, but society in general is happy to live in a state of self-deception

The growth should be cyclical, and would be if central bankers weren't so terrified of deflation. Capitalism's need for growth is not unbridled in its…

Capitalism at least doesn't pretend to be about equality of man or any of that other nonsense, it's all about accumulation of money.

Yeah, but – and 'scuse me for teaching my grandmother to suck eggs – it relies on endless growth in a finite environment. This is impossible, but…

Oh, Danielle, if you want more help with your crisis of faith, consider this: the richest 400 families in the US have a combined wealth of USD1.27 trillion.

Yet some of them have arranged their affairs so they can still claim Working for Families. True story.

You guys aren't helping me much with my 'isn't capitalism just a big pyramid scheme?' problem, I must say.

Danielle, have I got the presentation for you! Umm, well it will probably only reinforce your pyramid scheme "problem". Although it's not really your problem.

Crises of Capitalism. An incredibly animated…

You guys aren't helping me much with my 'isn't capitalism just a big pyramid scheme?' problem, I must say.

Most forms of commerce are pyramid schemes of one sort or another. It's not the form, but human nature. Look at communism, which was a beautiful theory that got thoroughly corrupted…

Sorry, Russell, but it is 2010 and we live in a world of finite resources.

Yeah... although I don't think it makes much difference what we, as consumers, do when we purchase things, does it? Because the problem is bigger, and systemic. You would have to have much wider, sweeping…

One of the most serious difficulties I see in the idea is simply the accounting of what a margin actually is.

Exhibit 1, y'ronner: Hollywood. Never underestimate the ability of numbers types to twist and fudge and generally distort any existing concept you may have had of any aspect of…

ETA: That's 'dilemma' with two ems, but you knew that.

I've also never had quite such an experience of feeling I have to justify a purchase with my own money.

Sorry, Russell, but it is 2010 and we live in a world of finite resources. I'm just struck by how, however ethical we are in other political issues and consumer…

I'm surprised more hasn't been made in reviews of the virtues of a portrait-oriented screen

I'm a big fan of portrait-orientation as well. I run two 19" monitors on my desktop – one landscape and one portrait. I almost exclusively do my web browsing on the portrait monitor. It's also…

You'd probably need to be more specific about exactly what you had in mind to be taken more seriously.

I can't be messing about with pesky things like details, Ben! I've got an entire global capitalist apparatus to destroy from within! (Right after I buy a second-generation iPad, you understand.)

I hope that wasn't coming from me: what I wrote in supporting the Greenpeace campaign notwithstanding (and I stand by that),

Oh, I completely understand why Greenpeace focused on Apple — like I said, it was savvy, it got them more press than anything else they could have done, and…

You see, I am not an economist, and we seem to have all kinds of arcane rules about how economies work, and I don't really understand why one rule is perfectly acceptable and another rule makes everyone go all 'pffft! that's ridiculous!'

I'm not an economist either. And it's a…

I've also never had quite such an experience of feeling I have to justify a purchase with my own money. Oh well.

I hope that wasn't coming from me: what I wrote in supporting the Greenpeace campaign notwithstanding (and I stand by that), I would reiterate that you don't need…

Honestly, I find this thing really useful, and I'm surprised more hasn't been…

Enjoying the rest of the conversation – about real life ethical consumer/ capitalist dilemmas. No simple answers but lots of…

What to do?

That is the question. The route that China is going has worked for Japan and Taiwan, both of which have much better labour conditions that they used to, and it seems to be working for China. Certainly boycotting Chinese products isn't going to help improve things over…

I think the comments about what happens when 'foreigners come and stop the children working' is quite surprising, and the comments of the UNICEF worker also.…

- take Tony Hayward being shifted sideways at BP and getting a pension of approx one million plus per year and other similar banking types
– is it their silence that is being bought?

$1M is about how much BP was losing every 7 1/2 minutes last quarter. It really…

And I don't think you know me well enough to assume that I don't give a shit,

In the West, collectively, we don't. That's more of a statement of fact than anything else. And I'm well included.

Labour standards are pretty different from "our standards, and right now", which was…

Put it another way: the reason to have labour standards, is so that workers have basic welfare. Why should a Filipino die younger so that a New Zealander can afford cheap asthma medicine?

I'm all in favour of labour standards. If there were decent labour and environmental standards I'd be…

I'd personally like more of the money to go to the people who do the work, as opposed to the people who already have money.

Sure, but that's quite a different proposition to saying that shareholders must have their profits capped on some particular product, by some arbitrary accounting measure.…

I'm still struggling to see the connection between large profit margins and exploiting labor.

I have trouble with the disconnect from reality
– take Tony Hayward being shifted sideways at BP and getting a pension of approx one million plus per year and other similar banking types
– what do…

I'm still struggling to see the connection between large profit margins and exploiting labor.

The only ways to pay workers more are to reduce margins and/or make the products more expensive. If the latter means nobody will buy 'em, then you have to reduce margins. But the prime directive of…

It's an easy chair to sit and just say "we pass a law presto".

It's a wonderful recliner to lie down and keep not giving a shit, OTOH. Smiley face.

But what about essentials? Do we tell every asthmatic that there won't be any more medicine for a few months…

My heart bleeds for us :-)

Will the world fall over if all of a sudden we have to stop importing our clothing and toys and computer parts from some parts of the world? No, there are some alternatives out there, but it might get expensive and damn annoying for…

That would throw hundreds of millions of Chinese out of work.

That's what they said about unionism in developed countries, remember?

One thing is saying that the minimum wage in China should be the minimum wage in the US, in absolute terms.

That would throw hundreds of millions of Chinese out of work.

Another to exploit the lack of protections and welfare provisions for workers. We should demand that the latter…

'The doom of complete obliteration.'

But hey, I'm just glad we have a firm grip on the significance…

It would also be very easy to do.

I think it would be easy to do as a parliament. As an importer of goods it would suddenly get a lot more complicated, and no doubt we'd see some things disappear from NZ shelves, at least for a while.

Muldoon's wage and price freezes

Heh. My mum, FWIW, loved the price freezes. 'When you went to the supermarket you knew exactly how much everything was going to cost!'

Simon Grigg, who lives in Asia, is better value on this than me, but not allowing developing countries to use their low costs of living as a competitive advantage doesn't actually help those countries.

My country went through it in my lifetime – by which I mean a competitive advantage…

Why not? Why is that such a weird thing to ponder?

Yes. I think it would be a utter disaster. But, then, I did live through Muldoon's wage and price freezes and Labour's Maximum Retail Price scheme.

There's no natural, objective, necessary reason why an iPad (or anything else, just using the example at hand) should cost 350 dollars in materials, and 10 dollars in labour.

That's a stronger point, but be wary of generalisations — I should've pulled you up on the use of the word…

By the Ministry for Setting Everyone's Margins?

More or less. There are laws that say we can't treat the workers of our countries the way we treat workers in the developing world. It would take a series of very simple acts of Parliament, Congress etc. to extend those protections across…

By the Ministry for Setting Everyone's Margins?

Why not? Why is that such a weird thing to ponder? (I mean, I think it's kind of a weird prospect, too, but I don't know *why* I think it's weird. So I've probably been brainwashed by our evil capitalist overlords into thinking…

I didn't say there should be *no* margins. I just said 'why would it be so terrible to have margins limited?'

By the Ministry for Setting Everyone's Margins?

But ... but ... it's the same reason we wouldn't expect authors to sell their books for the cost of printing (or digital delivery). A lot of work went into that book.

Whoah nelly. No. Seriously. Just no. It ought to be possible to manufacture things without brutally exploiting the…

That's nothing. I've heard that Cupertino boffins are working on a new element, Jobsium, that will be exclusively used in new Apple product. A half-life in the nanoseconds is causing some issues, but the legal team is confident they can sort it with a warranty…

Oh, I have no horse in this race, Russell. I think they're *all* greedy, exploitative assholes. :)

But ... but ... it's the same reason we wouldn't expect authors to sell their books for the cost of printing (or digital delivery). A lot of work went into that book.

It also seems germane to point out that Microsoft's margin on the sale of a copy of Windows is somewhere north of 95%.

Oh, I have no horse in this race, Russell. I think they're *all* greedy, exploitative assholes. :)

Each extra copy, even packaged, costs virtually nothing. But Windows cost a lot to make. So, what Ben said.

What would be so bad about that?

It would make being innovative less attractive.

I also don't think margins are so easily calculated as people think. When you invest enormous amounts of capital and time into designing a new device, it's pretty hard to work out the true opportunity cost…

What would be so bad about that?

Apple shareholders wouldn't be impressed. Steve won't even pay them a dividend (he just hoards cash) and there's all this hippy green stuff happening. The guy's a goddamn vegan with his own organic garden!

It's worth noting that in 2005, Apple's gross margin…

What would be so bad about that?

the rift between greed and green
widens with no respite
fissure, fissure

Actually this may be more than just Apple trying to disguise its profit margins — there may be a legitimate question of the iSuppli estimates' validity.

They were bang on on the extent that Apple could bring the…

forced to limit the margins on its products

What would be so bad about that?

Actually this may be more than just Apple trying to disguise its profit margins — there may be a legitimate question of the iSuppli estimates' validity. According to Techcrunch, "iSuppli is well-known for low-balling these numbers in an effort to convince manufacturers to contact them…

It was caught using the same slave labour as everybody else whilst making much more money per unit sold than anybody else.

Giovanni, I don't think you ever backed up your claim that Apple made more per device than others in the same markets. I tried to come up with…

Expandable from 64 KB up to 1 MB RAM or more!!

And people think Apple products are expensive now. I hate to think how many top-line Mac Pro's one could buy for the inflation-adjusted cost of that memory upgrade.

Using an iPad to replace the tape cassette drive for an Apple iie.

Damn your eyes! Now I want an old Apple IIe
and an iPad.

Russell, that was just, ...mean...

It’s an obvious solution in retrospect, but there is something very unreal and amazing…

Awesomeness.

Using an iPad to replace the tape cassette drive for an Apple iie.

Now they just need to do the same for a C64.

Using an iPad to replace the tape cassette drive for an Apple iie.

Damn your eyes! Now I want an old Apple IIe and an iPad.

I feel bound now to point out that I hadn't personally bought a new Apple product for two years before last week's purchase.

You sound like an alchoholic. ;)

Using an iPad to replace the tape cassette drive for an Apple iie.

When everyone else was still shoving components in beige boxes, that was quite a step.

And from the machines we've been building and selling at work, black & silver are the new beige.

A question about the iPad, does it have a floppy drive?

No, but you can connect one to the parallel port ;-)

I'm increasingly convinced that buying an iPad would actually be saving money as it would further delay the upgrade of the iMac ;-)

And as…

Noel Leeming's 30 months interest-free does make an iMac upgrade more attractive — especially given that my current iMac is the tool that facilitates all my income…

What's the going price for innovation, design and engineering?

Indeed. I probably won't get an iPad for a long time and don't own any other Apple products but I don't consider that them choosing their own margins to be especially exploitative. It's what businesses do, they choose a margin to…

Whatever that new iMac costs :-)

Exactly, and I'm prepared to pay for that innovation, design and engineering. I would not really describe myself as a fanboi, certainly not since 1986. I would never have bothered with the pre-OS X Macs. Now, I use their iMac and Macbook Pro. Oh,…

What's the going price for innovation, design and engineering?

Whatever that new iMac costs :-)

But yeah, I don't mind admitting to being a fanboy. I've been using Apple products since 1986, and paying a premium through the years when Apple was making massive losses (and making some seriously shitty…

iSupply table for the iPad. Those margins, not too shabby eh?

Surely the price reflects the market demand? If it didn't they wouldn't be selling so many of the damn things. Better marketing means better returns. What's the problem with that?

If Apple is forced to limit the margins on…

iSupply table for the iPad. Those margins, not too shabby eh?

Yes, but it's worth bearing mind that's the cost of parts and putting them together, not software, royalties, freight, marketing, retail margins and the wages and salaries of the people who developed it all.

iSupply table for the iPad. Those margins, not too shabby eh?