you don't do this sort of thing professionally somewhere do you?

Nope, I haven't found a way to make it keep me in the style to which I've become accustomed. I just stick to the geeking to earn a crust and pursue this sort of thing in a totally amateur…

i repeat i found you to be an idiot and not worthy of further time being wasted upon in attempts at rational conversation

and yet here you are, ;)

Not my diesel you wouldn't...oh God look what I have become, hehe.

Did anyone watch the 'who killed the electric car ' doco.
It wasn't a funny one like M Moores or daily show, but very interesting about the politics behind change, or the lack of it.
my car is…

Two copies cost very little, but the time and hassle add up. ..........But even in the abstract, the threat of a $5k fine is a big stick to wave around.

Thanks rob but I've already been executed, :)
now all I need is joan baez to do translated renditions of…

It's a measure of the guy that he dealt with you so gently, that's a generous spirit in action right there, that is.

that was gentle?

And I did note his love of th' arts, and don't diss that.
but as far as speaking for someone like Federico García Lorca,…

The good news is this will be digitally archived ... for future generations to wonder at

Let me be the first to say to those future generations: Hi! Sorry about the weather, but the V6 was just too much fun to give up.

Sadly though, reciting your poetry can get you killed.
Baxter was a good poet and look what we did for him.

gee merc, you sure no how to put a depressing mood over an otherwise "up' thread....

sorry, already got my coat, forgot my hat......

interesting point that Federico apparently…

smirk plus 10,
you don't do this sort of thing professionally somewhere do you?
I'd be into reading it.

"try recording some of your poetry over looped beats and maybe you can be a rapper! :)"

do it in tune and call it a song, then you can apply for,.....

sorry, I'll get my coat...... :)

I'm completely over this discussion

I was completely over it about two pages back.

I was over it after my first comment but felt the need to defend myself in an ever downward spiral. hopefully another side to this black and white story came through somewhere around dark grey.

The…

if your unable to see the difference between the SATIRICAL entertainment basis of the Today show etc and the factually incorrect, outright lies, and deception of Moores "Documentaries"…

I'm not a writer......I'm a poet

try recording some of your poetry over looped beats and maybe you can be a rapper! :)

I'm completely over this discussion

I was completely over it about two pages back. I'm more interested in Lyndsay Lohan, which says a lot about this thread. So I'll…

Hhehe, yeah but I'm a really heavy poet maan
That's ok then, that's almost like art or something innit?

And besides, I'm totally in it for the money, meh.

Let me jog your memory.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci5SZx3VI_U&mode=related&search=)

noted, but the sex pistols are really catchy tunes sung with a snarl, and a large chunk of lyrical attitude.
Finn is not that in his current music, but at the same period in time as the sex pistols he in a band that…

I have a confession, I'm not a writer......I'm a poet.

oh well, that's completely different then.

As for my comment re: pay for it out of their own money...I rescind that, I've got no problems with an archive that I give two of each of my books to, it's been…

I reckon that qualifies most of us to get our 10c worth in about music and the music 'biz'.

sure, why not. but go for 20 cents. the 2 cent rule was made when there was a unit below it, ie 1 cent. now the smallest unit is 10, so…

And your example of Neil Finn as "Rebelling against the establishment" is laughable.

Then brave, or stupid. Its not many people who make make potentially career altering comments on the record like that.
He also puts his money where his mouth is in his support of local artists through use…

This is scare-mongering gibberish...snip..The idea that the police would get involved and you'd get a criminal record because you didn't send in two copies of a CD you produced – some people really need to get out more.

its in the law, why have it there if it was never…

but I should make clear that I had nothing whatsoever to do with the National Library Act

apologies, misunderstood you point, noted. ignore comment relating to that.

Any modern democracy's most important act of support for creators isn't direct funding, but the establishment and protection of copyrights. The fact that society might require a couple of copies of new works for its libraries of record, by way of reciprocation, seems reasonable to me.

copyright is just that,…

Its very interesting that your fervent defense comes from the position of someone who was involved in the policy I was calling into question. I didn't know you were involved in that. Kinda like complaining to the cops bout what a bad job the police do.

I'm completely over this…

I called him an arsehole on the radio

:) kettle me pot, black, but still really funny. good on you russell. glad you can see the benefits of heated debate. did he find out it was you in the end?

Then what are they interested in, a cultural record? If they just want that then they should pay for it out of their own money and charge admission or something to defray expenses.

pay for it out of "our" own money its tax money, ours. its the responsibility of the…

"idiot", being told my work was "shit"

apologies
you are not an idiot,
I took issue with comments you made which came across as dismissive( which I read as silly) of a valid perspective from people affected.
Its very interesting that your fervent defense comes from the position of someone…

Russell is a .... music fan.

No shit. You wouldn't want those around listening to your indy CDs woud you?

And your example of Neil Finn as "Rebelling against the establishment" is laughable. The guy seems to have been munging old Beatle's rifts for the last 15 years. Hardly rebellious.…

Russell's silence speaks volumes, as does anyone else who 'scoffed so loudly over the 'cost of a couple of cds'.

Sigh ... Rob (I didn't initially know who you were, but I eventually worked it out), your attitude continues to surprise me. My silence does not "speak volumes" – does…

Talent free, prob a bly

F'd if I know.

F'd if you can remember your name too?
Seriously, rubbery or whatever, the longer you go on posting under a nick, big-noting your unsubstantiated achievements while slagging those who are prepared to stand on their record, the greater the possibility that you're a talent-free troll.

Which country would that be, then?

F'd if I know.
Russell was the one talking bout cultural citizenship
United states of other people's money?

if Tom is your father and he had a yacht called the Buccaneer, then...we share a common set of great-great-grandparents

Yes and yes to both those things, Stephen. That's amazing. My email address is goodeye at xtra dot co dot nz.

I thought robbery might be my nephew Nick, who's known to be a bit of a smart arse,

smart arse..... .............what'd I do????

but that's where the Government may be looking to get revenue off you for them asserting your copyright for you, albeit for a fee, and it's compulsory in law, or you get fined.
Is that the issue?

Sorry merc, just picked up this point and didn't quite understand what you…

You know I'm not the lovely singing and dancing Jackie Clarke,

Bummer, cos I had a whole routine worked out bout selling you your soul back re your namesakes nz idol judging stint.
But since you're not her, .... I'll save it for someone else.

Russell's silence speaks volumes, as…

BTW, Jackie, i'm related to you.
third cousin, i think.

are you really? You know I'm not the lovely singing and dancing Jackie Clarke, don't you? Who's your mum? I thought robbery might be my nephew Nick, who's known to be a bit of a smart arse, but the profile's…

I WANNA BE IN LAGOS TONIGHT IMPRESSIVE BUT UNACCEPTABLE.

$630 should cover full retail and postage for that lot. its for the good of the country russel . . .

Which country would that be, then?
Hustle for Russell, Nigerian style.

I might hit you up for some other costs since you're happy with nz on airs performances, I'll let you know bout that after we get this first thing out of the way.

You're obviously not Nigerian then. You're supposed to take the money first and then hit them up…

So I'm interested to know what's chewing you up so badly? Or did you just take exception to one comment about whinging earlier in this thread and decide to spit the dummy?

I did take exception to Russell's dismissive comments on a couple of issues I feel strongly about, and…

And if you aren't, what would YOUR grandad say about the way you are speaking to people?

He'd say, oh, that's a shock, I thought I was dead.

then probably something along the lines of good on you for speaking your mind and staying true to what you believe in,…

Actually, it's a complete mystery to me too.

you have writers you like on subject who's opinion you value and you have ones you don't like. My opinion of your music writing was based on your RIU exploits originally which at the time caused much commotion and outcry. But everyones…

I did not give my books to libraries, though my publisher had to give copies to some (on pain of death, I jest). I much prefer a great deal I have with Whitcoull's, the only store to buy for stock, in NZ.

Wow. It must be great. There aren't many…

I don't think Russell would care for me to elaborate, and without his approval it would be uncool ...

Actually, it's a complete mystery to me too.

But if they can buy it cheaper at the Warehouse (and need more copies than the ones they bought initially 3 months earlier) then I guess they will.

interesting, video stores are full of back catalogue titles that you don't want to pay $34 to watch once, so you rent…

Just like how you could buy a bigger argument on NZmusic.com than you can here on PA, by cutting out the middle man and going straight to the muso's.

Ah but nzmusic.com wasn't voted top blog etc, who of note reads that site anymore anyway. The revamp didn't work very…

Care to elaborate?

I don't think Russell would care for me to elaborate, and without his approval it would be uncool, and besides auntie jackie would only give me another stern lecture on how to behave in his house.

so can a rental store go to the warehouse and buy cheap copies of the release dvd and rent them out with no recourse to the owner of the work?

I suppose they could if they wanted to, but they would probably buy them cheaper wholesale from the distributer. As…

Robbery I'm glad you comment here.

Thanks merc, but I'm not so sure I am, I don't very often and I'd have to say I'm a little surprised by russell's response, which drew out my response and so on.

I've been excessively patriotic for years but recently I've not been…

I do rate your internet and media commentary highly and I do take issue with your music commentary. I don't mean that personally or maliciously. I just don't agree with your opinion or how you see music.

Care to elaborate?

Russell doesn't need me fighting his battles for him but…

This has resulted also in my not wanting to go ahead with having my 3rd book published here in NZ

That's an interest result. apparently you do not have to supply copies if it is not produced in nz r as the overseas publisher is not governed by nzlaw, but…

no, the distributor sells the rental outlet a dvd/video for (say) $100 and the outlet can then make as much money as they can from renting it before the title is available for purchase thru retail.

so can a rental store go to the warehouse and buy cheap copies of…

Did I give you a bad review in 1983 or something?

No, I apologise for how that came cross.
I do rate your internet and media commentary highly and I do take issue with your music commentary. I don't mean that personally or maliciously. I just don't agree with your…

Just like Rap Music.

have they started putting upper hutt posse tracks into ads yet?
I haven't noticed any,

how does it work with video stores. do they have to pay fees back to the movie owners for each rental occurrence, as a cinema does for each ticket sold?

No, the distributor sells the rental outlet a dvd/video for (say) $100 and the outlet can then make as much…

I'm not an authority, but I did go and read the law.

I've got 3 copies of it on my desk, god it reads terribly,
It was one of my main points. what a waste of money. why have I got 3 copies, why did they even bother sending this…

has McCains been in touch with you about getting resource consent to commence mining the freedom fries deposits that appear to abound upon your shoulder??

:) I love that whole freedom fries thing. It'll take em a long time to live that slight on the french down.
I thought you…

What artists have they approached via Myspace do you know? I am actually curious as I would have expected to have heard something about it if they are approaching things in this way.

every artist I know, I know of over 40 personal. I think they do a search for…

You seem to be the only one who thinks so. But you're free to say so (it would be nice if you could keep it seemly) and I'm free to disagree.

seems that way but that was one of my points, its only important when it affects you (thats the…

BTW, as an author there is a fund to help pay for libraries requesting your book. Usually you have to make them request it though, and they can make money off your book, they love the fees they can charge for,
– overdue
– booking
– transferring copies
They run…

it occurs to me, that if you are such a creative person, giving a copy of your work to an official archive might actually be in your own interest?

That's true, but its not your interest they're interested in. its the countries. That's like saying radio shouldn't have to play…

there are hundreds of libraries in this country, what if they all decide you should provide them with a copy each at your expense?

That would be unreasonable. But that's not what happens, is it? You're required to deposit one copy each with our two national libraries of record.

I'm…

How about not turning Russell's offhand observation about a gig into an anti-NZOA soapbox? It's so old.

That's a good call re hijacking and soap box, but then you went and ruined it with the "its so old"
my initial response was to the small nature of this countries music…

my point is this music was shunned by a large part of the country at the time, but now its the joyous soundtrack to our youth.

Ummm welcome to reality – you think this only occurs in NZ? Or only in music? Or only in artistic endevours?

and yes the country could afford to pay you for your no doubt exquisite…

my point is this music was shunned by a large part of the country at the time, but now its the joyous soundtrack to our youth.

Just like Rap Music.

At the same time, the music on the Hallensteins ads you keep mentioning is earning its creators a fairly large cheque. This is possible because the state protects their copyrights by law. That's the social contract.

my point is this music was shunned by a large part of the country…

Who knows? apparently not you Russell so why are you pretending to be an authority on it.

I'm not an authority, but I did go and read the law.

You're a excellent commentator on things internet and not too bad on media issues, but lets face it right now. you…

I don't for a second believe NZ on Air spend more than they administer

Well why did you say this then?

because I believe they spend far too much. I'm not equating dollar for dollar, I'm equating dollar with result. Nice office, nice pay check, etc. you've funded carly who…

what reduced burden. .....

Who knows? I went and looked up the legislation and that's what it said. Your mileage may vary.

Who knows? apparently not you Russell so why are you pretending to be an authority on it. You're a excellent commentator on things internet and not too bad…

apart from Promoters musicians are probably the last people on earth i would allow myself to be owed money by.....i have done, and will in future no doubt, provided my services directly to musicians but in those cases…

do you think moores output is anything but propoganda???…

1.good i never was a fan

you're not good at lateral thinking are you. I don't personally care about shihad and I'm sure they'd be horrified to know we were discussing the private matter of their income when they just want to keep their heads down and do it while…

i dont expect anything from musicians....they owe me nothing.....

i'll remember that the next time it comes to pay you., just kidding, sort of.....

the same way they are owed nothing just for creating something...whatever its artistic value is.....its great they do get something in return but if thats their…

that bloated liar moore did what he did in that sequence not to entertain but to decieve!!!!

and there we have it. the fat jibe. I was waiting for that one.
he's not pretty to look at, no, but he does represent his people :)

and would you like some…

he's kinda cute in a grizzly bear kinda way

Aha! I suspected that beneath all the sniping you had a secret crush on him.

the daily show et al make no claims of telling the absolute truth...they make it quite clear that they are making entertainment albeit with a political message...

oh you so don't get it.
its the most truthful bit of non journalism out there and that's the saddest thing about it.…

I'm enjoying your posts Robbery but I think you can't see the wood for the trees.

There's an element of truth in that IO. I'm so up to my neck in prunings I can't actually be bother getting involved in it.

You're complaining about being required/forced to give two copies…

As a muso myself I struggle to understand the seething resentment to providing a couple of copies of your work to the respective authorities. We tend to do so as a standard – didn't even realise there was…

You have an opinion on music and culture which is cool, but there are plenty of others who are equally or better equipped to make calls in this field than you, no offense meant.

Well, there's a whole bunch of them are over at nzmusic.com, have been debating the finer…

well documented re-editing in bowling for columbine that took Charlie Hestons rant of "...from my cold dead hands" completely out of context and insinuated that he had made…

ahhh no he LIED and in doing so scored a bit of an own goal!!..

examples?

As for your "chip on the shoulder" "world owes me a living" bleating....sheesh get a life! The amount of $$$ that the local entertainment "industry"gets far out weighs the cost of having to hand…

My understanding of the 2003 Act was that it reduced the burden on publishers, by cutting the legal deposit requirement to two copies: one for preservation in the Turnbull and the other for access at the National Library.

what reduced burden. I haven't heard hide nor hair of a legal…

The whole arts issue in NZ is a lot more complex than you want to paint it and its cute that you chose to dismiss it as wingeing, but then its obviously not a central factor for you in your daily life, however to some people it is.

Actually, I…

i really thought we had all worked out that michael moore was a cringe inducing embarrasment and pretty much all out LIAR quite some time ago!?!?

we had, but there was that pesky matter of what he said proving to be true, and that he backed up everything he said…

That's rich coming from someone who makes his living from wingeing

I have no idea what calling "theatre" really means but I think that comment deserves a "theatre" call, robbery, don't you? Being paid to voice your opinion and share your expertise is very different to whingeing, wouldn't you agree?…

That's rich coming from someone who makes his living from wingeing

I have no idea what calling "theatre" really means but I think that comment deserves a "theatre" call, robbery, don't you? Being paid to voice your opinion and share your expertise is very different to whingeing, wouldn't you agree?…

not a musician I see :)
legal deposit smosist, typical hands out for freebees kiwi attitude more like it, name on the door, free cd, can I get my mate one too attitude, funny how it only applies to the arts sector as you'd…

Re supergroups, its not a big country.
its totally possible to know just about everyone making music in this country. interestingly the national library saw fit to seek and pass a law requiring every artist and label to give 2 copies of every release to their archives. the penalty for…

You mean we'll be forced to buy the Financial Times? erg!

:-D

'Tis method in his madness! Did anyone know he had a new album out before the world wide publicity about the giveaway?

Not many – and I'm mildly surprised that his more recent – and frankly less self-indulgent – albums aren't selling better. But it sure looks like the Purple…

Weird, as in the giveaway itself – or that it's hard to imagine much of an overlap between his fanbase and the stereotypical Mail reader?

More the latter.

It's a great concept, I look forward to Cannibal Corpse giving away their new album in the Financial Times.

Weird, as in the giveaway itself – or that it's hard to imagine much of an overlap between his fanbase and the stereotypical Mail reader?

More the latter.

'Tis method in his madness! Did anyone know he had a new album out before the world wide publicity about the giveaway?…

Weird, as in the giveaway itself – or that it's hard to imagine much of an overlap between his fanbase and the stereotypical Mail reader?

More the latter.

Much weirder: Prince gives away his new album: attached to the front of the Mail on Sunday.

Weird, as in the giveaway itself – or that it's hard to imagine much of an overlap between his fanbase and the stereotypical Mail reader?

Was that Chris Knox getting down at the front – or just someone who looks a bit like him?

I met Heather Gaye after the gig.

Ha, bit of a shake-n-run.

I thought the sound was a bit off, all the cool little details got kinda mashed in together.

LOVE the new songs though. The new album's like a Greatest Hits, except with greatest hits that noone's heard. About…

I thought that James Duncan's solo set was a bit, shall we say, experimental? I suppose some people like that type of thing...

SJD was pretty good though.

You were there too? I met Heather Gaye after the gig.

SJD was pretty good though.

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