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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><strong>Feats of clay</strong></p><p><q>pottery in motion…</q></p><p><q>Hefty New Zealand Railways cups, manufactured by Crown Lynn Potteries, are now collectors’ items but were once tossed from the train windows. According to an old joke, only three things would survive a nuclear holocaust: ants, cockroaches and New Zealand Railways cups. And the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:12:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>pottery in motion...</strong><br /><q>In those wonderfully durable cups!</q><br /><a href="http://www.opshop.co.nz/pages/rudolf/nzrcups.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rudolf Boelee prints...</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:04:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>NZ Rail tea</q></p><p>In those wonderfully durable cups! :-)</p><p>My Mum claims that in the old days the standard line was, <br />“Do you take sugar?”, and if the answer was, “No”,<br />the response was, “Well don’t stir it, then.”</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:17:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>bring back NZ Rail tea. The pies were rather good too</q><br />Just please- don't bring back the coffee :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:47:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<q>I preferred conductors, frankly. I seem to remember that they ended up actually losing money putting in machines and taking away the conductors, just on the free riding. It only took about 10 people every hour not to pay for their ticket and that was the entire wage cost of…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:25:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><q>the ideological power running the privatization drive was far to strong.</q></p><p>Never underestimate the power of stupidity.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:53:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>However, it doesn't produce all the intended environmental and economic benefits.</q></p><p>Name one aspect in which they're less environmentally beneficial? Or economically, for that matter. I'm describing THE system that has the buses idling on the roadside for the least amount of time. Which economically means it's the system utilizing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:27:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Not yet he doesn’t. He hasn’t had all the charges dismissed. I’m very curious how the judge reached this particular conclusion, but your insinuation that this is some kind of old boys’ network at play doesn’t sit well with the reputation of our judiciary for being uncorrupted and impartial.</q></p><p>The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:06:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I see that problem as being nothing to do with the ticketing system, and everything to do with the number of buses, and their timing.</q></p><p>At a system-wide level, they are related. Your Melbourne experience shows that the human touch of a conductor may feel better for individual passengers. </p><p>However,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:38:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>If outlets are required to report EFTPOS details against transactions, that means any non-cash topup will potentially hook it to a name. So a large percentage of cards will become personally identified eventually. </q><br />You speak as though that's something that's likely to become law. They <em>might</em> become identifiable but, again,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:43:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>There is a whole industry around extracting useful information from sparse data.</p><p>If outlets are required to report EFTPOS details against transactions, that means any non-cash topup will potentially hook it to a name. So a large percentage of cards will become personally identified eventually. </p><p>You've then got a system…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:34:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>everything to do with the number of buses, and their timing</q></p><p>Again, adding new buses at peak time requires purchasing additional buses. It means putting on more staff. It's <em>expensive</em> to add peak-hour services, and they're also an inefficient use of resources because they're not utilised for all but about…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:21:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Sorry, I honestly read that as sarcasm. Bloody context-less intertubes :/</q></p><p>Well OK, I guess it had an element of "well, if you're really serious about the wait times, then lets actually approach this from top down", which perhaps has a hint of sarcasm. The point being that the most…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:51:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>I just lack that level of cunning I guess.</q></p><p>Pfft, n00b  ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:21:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						I just lack that level of cunning I guess.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:05:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>Matthew, when I got my hybrid card I had to register to use it. They do know who I am.</q></p><p>I registered mine to John Doe.</p>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						Looking at the website to refresh my memory.  I think I followed their advice to register it so that my balance is protected in case my card gets lost.  So yes, that was a choice.  But the way the information is worded it isn't made clear you can use it…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:59:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>when I got my hybrid card I had to register to use it. They do know who I am.</q></p><p>Had to or chose to? I used my card for months before I registered, and the only reason I did was so I could check the balance online. The card's useful…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:54:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Sorry, I honestly read that as sarcasm. Bloody context-less intertubes :/</p><p><q>Even if everyone paid with Hop and that took only one second per person</q></p><p>Ideally, and this is where Snapper fails, it’s so quick that you wave your card  past the reader on the way through the door (except…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:52:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						Matthew, when I got my hybrid card I had to register to use it.  They do know who I am.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:45:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>If you want to see who travelled to the venue of various demonstrations, you’d probably have more luck.</q></p><p>"Sir, sir, HOP Card number 9010 0660 0400 0226 has been tagged on and off in the vicinity of multiple demonstrations."<br />"Excellent work, constable, but do we know who uses that card?"…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:38:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah yeah, break out the sarcasm. Each individual passenger, it's irrelevant. Multiplied by thousands of passengers over hundreds of buses every day, it's an enormous amount of time wasted.</q></p><p>I wasn't being sarcastic. You really did convince me, with your numbers argument, that time spent paying at the door (by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:26:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><a href="http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2012/02/10/metropolitan_police_asks_for_tfl_data/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">hasn't stopped the brits</a>.</p><p>I guess if you want to find a (smart) murderer, they'll probably pay cash on the bus, or cycle to the scene of the crime.</p><p>If you want to see who travelled to the venue of various demonstrations, you'd probably have more luck.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I think you’re getting a little too intense about all this time wastage stuff.</q></p><p>What Tamara said. If I want to take public transport for the experience, I'll jump on a long-distance train. Around town I want the trip to be as quick as possible because I have places to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:13:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Nobodies mentioned yet the ability to use the system to track people’s movements</q></p><p>Until there's a compulsion to register your card and/or a prohibition on topping it up with cash, the cards aren't tied to a particular person. Online topup will, obviously, tie the card to a particular person, as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:06:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						Yeah, but surely a transport system shouldn't be forcing people to slow down.  It's a very well to say we should all be feeling groovy but lots of people have valid reasons to desire their bus trip to be as quick as possible.  For example, I really need to be…
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah yeah, break out the sarcasm. Each individual passenger, it's irrelevant. Multiplied by thousands of passengers over hundreds of buses every day, it's an enormous amount of time wasted.</q></p><p>Matthew, while I broadly agree with the overall thrust of your argument I think you're getting a little too intense about…</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>The prime of my youth, wasted!</q></p><p>Yeah, mine too, but nothing to do with buses...<br />West Auckland might have something to do with it.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> Not to mention farting around with a website and some evil loyalty card shite just so I can use the bus</q></p><p>Nobodies mentioned yet the ability to use the system to track people's movements, which is widely used with Oyster.</p><p>I don't think this has been rolled out in NZ,…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Even the one second delay of Hop is one second of life all the passengers never get back</q></p><p>Yeah yeah, break out the sarcasm. Each individual passenger, it's irrelevant. Multiplied by thousands of passengers over hundreds of buses every day, it's an enormous amount of time wasted.</p><p>You clearly don't…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>unbeatably efficient</q></p><p>That must be why the rest of the world is changing or has done. You're flogging a dead horse, sir.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Staff may also be better deployed interacting meaningfully with passengers than repetitively taking money from them.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>There’s lots of ways of making flash passes. They could be day-coded, so you can only use your pass on, say, Friday. There’s lots of possibilities that don’t require making expensive hardware and software.</q><br />And if I want to make an ad hoc trip when I feel like it, I'll…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Endless queuing to get on Auckland buses probably took actual days of my life. And in my teens and twenties! The prime of my youth, wasted!
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Old, proven, effective, reliable, unbeatably efficient.</q></p><p>I'll grant you old, sure.</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						My new UK visa was issued on a separate chip + pin card, which also stops the Oyster card working, which surely is a subtle message from the No2ID campaign sympathisers embedded at Transport for London
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 01:20:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Conductors are better. Matthew has convinced me. Even the one second delay of Hop is one second of life all the passengers never get back. Not to mention farting around with a website and some evil loyalty card shite just so I can use the bus. Board via all doors,…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:24:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						This is not some sort of wacky unnecessary plan. Bog-standard for decent public transport systems across different modes.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:54:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yeah I get my cash out in exact change when using the bus. It takes under 5 seconds to pay and receive the ticket.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:38:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Beijing too.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:27:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<q>Imagine 700 people trying to pass through a barrier that takes over a second per person just to read their card before opening the gate, which is the situation that'll be faced at Britomart once this is rolled out on trains here.</q>Don't you just have more than one barrier?  Seems…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:12:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						I was a bit more observant than usual taking the bus home tonight.  We had a couple more cashies than usual and because the door is so narrow it did hold up HOP users.  So, the front bus doors do need to be wider.  Plus, one person took what felt…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>It fails if you've got a handful of other rfid cards in your wallet &ndash; you have to take it out and away from all those barfly loyalty cards.</q></p><p>So, BTW, does London's Oyster. I had to take my Snapper out of my wallet for Oyster to work reliably.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:23:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p>I'm going to take a punt and assume you've been personally involved the drama around snapper vs hop at some point. That's some serious hate you've got for the snapper.</p><p>As a wellingtonian who relies on public transport, here's what I see with snapper (after using it for a couple…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:55:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> I, and many, many others, want a single card that works everywhere.</q></p><p>Yup, that's a whole 'nother issue, and no arguments from me there. My point is that delivering that as paper tickets is piss easy by comparison to the alternatives. But aren't the barriers non-technological anyway? The networks don't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:23:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>users of it are hardly going to find it that much of an arse to own a couple of bus cards, and occasionally to pay cash for a ticket if they want to do something unusual.</q></p><p>That's what we have now. It's balls. I have a train ticket, a HOP-Snapper…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:44:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>Which is great, if your aspirations are nothing greater than to have a public transport system that is little more than a way to move commuters. If, however, you want to make it a viable alternative to owning a private car, it needs to be a whole lot more flexible</q>…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:51:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						I look forward to that then.  For what it's worth, all your points make sense Matthew.  Even with Snapper I've noticed trips are much faster since while one cash passenger is being served a whole horde of Snappers just pile on.  From a passenger point of view the journeys have…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:47:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Yeah, that's the bastard Snapper hybrid. The real HOP will be a lot quicker and a lot more reliable, if the design specification has actually been followed. Snapper is, as I've said above, slow and unreliable.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:14:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Sure, but most trips (don’t have the stats, but still), are commutes and they are always the exact same thing.</q><br />Which is great, if your aspirations are nothing greater than to have a public transport system that is little more than a way to move commuters. If, however, you want…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:02:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						Um, not sure, I think it must be the hybrid.  My card has both logos on it.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:00:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>Works fine for fixed-value trips and zone-based passes, but the second you need to do a trip that's outside what's contemplated by whatever pass you hold (have a two-stage pass but want to go three stages, for example, or have an A-zone pass and want to go to zone B)…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:25:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>also people don’t have to all get on at the front – people can get on and swipe through any door – makes loading and unloading even faster</q></p><p>If you have double-width doors, certainly. If, however, you've got a single-width rear door and you have people trying to alight it's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:51:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>MInd you, a cardboard ticket that the driver clips, or simply looks at, is pretty damned fast, gets money off people, and costs next to nothing to set up. </q></p><p>Still not fast enough for rush-hour commuting on a crowded system, I think – the driver has to take it, look…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:49:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<q>MInd you, a cardboard ticket that the driver clips, or simply looks at, is pretty damned fast, gets money off people, and costs next to nothing to set up. I’d prefer it to owning a Snapper card myself. Not a big fan of technology for its own sake. Has the…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:42:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>also people don't have to all get on at the front &ndash; people can get on and swipe through any door &ndash; makes loading and unloading even faster</q></p><p>Pursuant to that, in Melbourne, on trams, there's no one, in general, checking your tickets at all. They simply have random inspections…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:22:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						also people don't have to all get on at the front &ndash; people can get on and swipe through any door &ndash; makes loading and unloading even faster
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:36:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>Seriously, the reason for using a touch-based smart card is that people don’t need to stop as they board the vehicle, they just swipe as they walk past. If you’re bringing on 10 people at one stop and it takes even 10 seconds for each person to pay and take…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:21:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.justice4kj.com/component/k2/item/114-the-unsafe-verdict " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> (for example)</a><br /><q>In considering whether the verdict was unsafe, the judge at the pre-hearing must weigh up all the factors. One would like to believe that the judge will conduct a fair and balanced review of the material of the case, but it invariably comes down to something…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:15:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>your insinuation that this is some kind of old boys’ network at play</q></p><p>I insinuated nothing of the sort but now you mention it...</p><p><q> doesn’t sit well with the reputation of our judiciary for being uncorrupted and impartial.</q><br />No, it doesn't, does it?.</p><p>He has had the most serious charge…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:56:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Whitey gets to go home again</q></p><p>Not yet he doesn't. He hasn't had all the charges dismissed. I'm very curious how the judge reached this particular conclusion, but your insinuation that this is some kind of old boys' network at play doesn't sit well with the reputation of our judiciary…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:37:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>There’s collective value and concern as well as individual. Neoliberalism seems to attract the selfish. </q></p><p>Indeed it does, the attitude is “My “Hard Earned Money” no longer makes me special now those plebs can travel for free”. Hard earned my arse,. When the greedheads get to own our assets and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:24:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>just don’t see why it has become such an ordeal when there are many examples in the world that work.</q></p><p>Mix well a fragmented bunch of providers who have no contractual obligation to make it easy, combing with one owned by a company that has a competing product (and didn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:56:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I use HOP and it’s a big improvement on the old system but still slower than it should be</q></p><p>You mean the real HOP, not the bastard Snapper hybrid?</p>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						I use HOP and it's a big improvement on the old system but still slower than it should be.  Plus, if the reader doesn't work properly a couple of times that slows things down more.  You have to hold the card up to the reader just right...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:28:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						I'm not objecting, just don't see why it has become such an ordeal when there are many examples in the world that work.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:48:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						Same in Auckland when Farmers had a free trolley bus service &ndash; it was well used and frequent
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:28:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Who is really going to ‘over-use’ public transport if the fare is zero.</q></p><p>In pre-quake days the Chch city shuttles (looping around the CBD) were free, and a great convenience for shoppers, tourists, and anybody else who wished to use them.  They were electric (battery powered) and stopped often so…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:59:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It's not even anything to do with being trustworthy</q></p><p>Agency theory sure is.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:33:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						There's collective value and concern as well as individual. Neoliberalism seems to attract the selfish. Who is really going to 'over-use' public transport if the fare is zero. What does that even mean?
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						<p><q>neoliberal approaches that regard people as fundamentally untrustworthy and needing to be charged fees to motivate responsible behaviour.</q></p><p>It's not even anything to do with being trustworthy. The issue isn't vandalism or other abuse, it's a lack of concern about existence or quality. Make public transport fare-free but reduce services…</p>
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						<p><q>bored hordes ride the buses all day and night</q></p><p>Anarchy!!</p><p>I know a few grey-haired folk who do this, just quietly, during off-peak hours.</p><p><a href="http://memerial.net/1658-anarchy-in-the-uk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">On the subject of anarchy</a>.</p>
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						<p>Would be interesting to see most public services costed for universal delivery with reduced admin costs. And progressive taxation to pay for it, perhaps with universal basic income to knock out most of the welfare system too. </p><p>Make a nice change from neoliberal approaches that regard people as fundamentally untrustworthy…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>unless we’re proposing to make public transport completely free </q></p><p>Now there's a thought. I read years ago ( citation needed) a Russian city did this. They were already subsidizing bus transport that charged and on analysis found the cost of process the money,tickets admin etc was so high they ditched…</p>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=new+london+buses&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=1T4GPEA_enNZ291NZ291&amp;prmd=imvns&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=K2rqT-yjB9DrmAX7tYzIAg&amp;ved=0CGQQsAQ&amp;biw=1043&amp;bih=475" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=new+london+buses&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=1T4GPEA_enNZ291NZ291&amp;prmd=imvns&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=K2rqT-yjB9DrmAX7tYzIAg&amp;ved=0CGQQsAQ&amp;biw=1043&amp;bih=475</a><br />Hope that this works...[better than snapper]</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>lest bored hordes ride the buses all day and night</q></p><p>Apparently the Link drivers start to get grumpy if one sits on the bus for a few complete circuits. I don't know why they should give a damn (outside peak hour, of course), but people I know who've done the…</p>
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						<p><q>given the evidence that no value is attached to things that are given away, it would still be better to have at least nominal fares</q></p><p>lest bored hordes ride the buses all day and night</p>
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						<q>Matthew, isn’t it the case that money topped up on Hop or any other device accrues immediately to the organisation running the device? In which case the money stored on the prepaid device becomes a large float. How this is accounted for with respect to real expected future costs is…</q>
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						<p><q><br />If I use EFTPOS to top up my HOP card, it’s not revenue for the transport provider until I complete a tag-on/tag-off transaction, likewise any other stored-value fare system.<br /></q><br />Matthew, isn't it the case that money topped up on Hop or any other device accrues immediately to the organisation running…</p>
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						Provision of free public transport is a discussion that would be worth having in this country, but we're a long, long way away from it being in any way fruitful. Direct subsidies are communist evils, you understand, and we can't be having any of that. Much better to hide the…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>What’s wrong with that though?</q></p><p>Nothing, but there still needs to be infrastructure <em>on</em> the buses and train (platforms) to take care of that revenue transfer to the transport provider. EFTPOS takes a very, very long time. Even Snapper takes too long (over a second) to read the card for…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Geez ,that’s not very nice.</q></p><p>It may not have been the politest of wording, but it's incredibly frustrating when an organisation that's trying to improve provision of services to its largely-working class clientèle gets smacked with the "anti-worker" stick.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I think you will find many instances of brilliant ideas designed to make social services (public transport, power, telephones etc.) a little more efficient, reliable and equitable, have been stymied by the "need" to monetise them. Free is the new price for such things. The social benefit of affordability of…
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						You can't use eftpos on the actual train or bus or ferry. Something still has to be used there. The new system is designed to be really fast, to speed up the whole system.
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						The Standard fisks another <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/a-meaningless-list/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">couple of graphs</a>. Usual warning about reading the comments applies.
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> If I use EFTPOS to top up my HOP card, it’s not revenue for the transport provider until I complete a tag-on/tag-off transaction, likewise any other stored-value fare system.</q></p><p>What's wrong with that though?</p>
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						<p><q>IOW, fuck your anti-employment “conspiracy”</q></p><p>Geez ,that's not very nice. Is it that difficult to allow others opinions? Or am I interpreting IOW incorrectly.  Maybe it is a compliment?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:01:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:00:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Using eftpos (just as a phone can be topped up at a convenience store) to purchase combinations for the month via a convenience (am liking that word ;) store seems perfectly adequate to me.</q></p><p>But all you've done there is transfer your money from one thing (your bank account) to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:54:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						Tell the opposition. Instead we get numpty crap <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-MP-apologises-for-Hitler-tweet/tabid/1607/articleID/259236/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">like this</a> from one of them &ndash; and her leader doesn't even know she's said it when questioned hours later.
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>As soon as opponents use that framing, they’ve lost.</q></p><p>Such a pity, and a loss for all of us.  Sick and disabled people aren't the enemy, sickness and disability is the enemy.  We should be fighting the problem, not the people who have it.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Increased employment and customer convenience, so it got dumped.</q></p><p>Works just fine if your vehicle isn't packed to bursting and has more than one entry. Which is to say, it's useless for peak-hour trains in Auckland (where it's often impossible for train staff to collect tickets at present) and since…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						My last visit there (UK) was also extremely convenient for those wishing to use combined public transport. Using eftpos (just as a phone can be topped up at a convenience store) to purchase combinations for the month via a <em> convenience</em> (am liking that word ;) store seems perfectly adequate…
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						<p><q>unless we’re proposing to make public transport completely free we need an actual way of taking money off people.</q></p><p>Interestingly the solution to the system not being made accessible for blind passengers despite promises has been to do just that in their case. Pathetic.</p>
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						<p><q>wouldn't it be nice if that could be re-framed</q></p><p>Absolutely essential. As soon as opponents use that framing, they've lost. Countering it takes organised and sustained comms/campaign activity. Frustratingly absent for some time.</p>
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						<p>Back to the issue of “welfare dependence”, wouldn’t it be nice if that could be re-framed as “people who have difficulties in their lives which mean they can’t support themselves”?</p><p>Imagine a world in which beneficiaries had mentoring and pastoral care to help them improve their lives.  I think a…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						The UK had this sorted for the first 80 or so years of the 20th century. They had a big doubledecker bus and employed a person called a 'conductor' who took fares as the bus was moving. They also had an open platform at the back so people could jump…
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						<p><q>The Government pays transport operators to provide those services.</q></p><p>Sometimes, if I catch a bus during the day, I'm the only fare-paying passenger on board!  Everybody else has a gold card.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>In Wellington it can be used 9-3 or all day weekends on trains and buses</q></p><p>Those conditions are nationwide, with some local variations based on what's available. The Government pays transport operators to provide those services.</p>
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						<p><q>    <br /><em>we need an actual way of taking money off people.</em></p><p>Eftpos?</q></p><p>*snort* We may as well stick with cash, for the length of time it’d take for people to pay to get on the bus using eftpos.<br />Seriously, the reason for using a touch-based smart card is that people don’t…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I just caught the 'gold card special' bus into town &ndash; packed with those over 65. For that cohort it is a very sensible card and many make good use of it. Simple ID only and most drivers don't even ask their elderly passengers for it. In Wellington it can…
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						<p><q> we need an actual way of taking money off people.</q></p><p>Eftpos?</p>
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						<p><q>grrrrrrrrrrrrr don’t get me started …..</q></p><p>Yes, thanks Richard. I suspected as much.</p>
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						<p><q>Super annuitants have an integrated public transport system swipe card. Remember the gold card? Our public transport already uses that system and it works if you are 65.<br />Seems to get the ol’ folks around. Why couldn’t it be adapted? Oh,of course, it’s too late. That or I’m just not…</q></p>
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						<p><q>    <br /><em>Government interference that let the company work on the scheme despite failing to win the main contract.</em></p><p>Was that just before an election</q></p><p>No, after. Joyce was the Minister involved.</p><p>As far as NZBus getting this done, it's a matter of replacing their existing on-board readers with new ones which…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>So, does anyone know how those “boot camps” are gettin’ on?</q> <br />They are doing great politically and as expected are having no long term result actually . <br />Those of us working in the area all knew they wouldn't work <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1759353/Judge-puts-boot-into-boot-camps" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Principal Youth Court Judge Andrew Becroft</a> said " The traditional "boot…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p>Super annuitants have an integrated public transport system swipe card. Remember the gold card? Our public transport already uses that system and it works if you are 65.<br />Seems to get the ol' folks around. Why couldn't it be adapted? Oh,of course, it's too late. That or I'm just not…</p>
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						So, does anyone know how those "boot camps" are gettin' on?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:46:13 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>A more detailed action plan will be released in the coming weeks.</q> </p><p>Is the answer to everything.</p><p>Having gone over the:<br />Reducing Long Term Welfare Dependence<br />Supporting Vulnerable Chidlren<br />Boosting Skills and Employment<br />Reducing Crime (Measured and reported not actuall)</p><p>I note that these are all areas that show the…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>It appears ministers of the crown just don't understand public transport.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7AXskSxxMk&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7AXskSxxMk&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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						<p><q>Government interference that let the company work on the scheme despite failing to win the main contract.</q></p><p>Was that just before an election &ndash; and I ask was a donation drawn into the surrounding ambience or part of the environment, which allowed this?  </p><p>That is the political process &ndash; after…</p>
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						<p><q>Because Auckland’s scale means we always need to seek govt buy-in for funding – and that’s usually where the problem is, no matter who is in charge or what the mechanism is. </q></p><p>It's also a side effect of the abolition of regional development. While Auckland is running out of room,…</p>
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						<p>Because Auckland's scale means we always need to seek govt buy-in for funding &ndash; and that's usually where the problem is, no matter who is in charge or what the mechanism is. </p><p>Cullen dragging his heels on rail electrification springs to mind, as does Joyce's ninnying numptiness over the core…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:25:48 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Don’t know why Auckland always seems to lag way behind in public transport initiatives, given its population and size.</q></p><p>Because the last time National were in power, they flogged off our council-owned transport services and we ended up with a multi-private-player tendered mess with no way for the Council to…</p>
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				<title>Kyle MacDonald</title>
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						Not to mention this pseudo health review will be carried out by non-health professionals, who are answerable to no board, review or clinical oversight.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Christchurch has had one of these systems for years</q></p><p>Beijing too, good for buses, subway, many taxis and even some shops. But I think a realtime GPS bus locater would just serve as yet another reminder of the atrocious traffic here.</p><p>So why's Auckland so slow about these things?</p>
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						<q>It’s a national smart-fare system (ETA: including the comms standards) developed by the old ARTA and the NZ Transport Agency. That figure is high, but it’s inclusive of work to allow the back-end systems to be used in support of smart-card public transport ticketing in other parts of the country.</q>…
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						<p>The new review process for the sickness benefit requires an appointment where:</p><p>"We will review your medical information"<br />"We will ask you questions relating to your medical condition and its effect on your capacity for work."</p><p>This happens in an open plan office. All the glossy mental health awareness campaigns…</p>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>Also, NBR estimates <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/infratil-defends-snapper-against-auckland-transport-claims-wb-122042" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Snapper's float to be about $9.3m in Wellington at any one time</a>. In addition to the benefits for end users, that should net Auckland Transport some extra income!</p><p>On <strong>rheumatic fever</strong>: While the strategy is not necessarily addressing the underlying causes, there are some really good initiatives.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:19:47 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>this 30% will come from the invisible psychological injuries</q></p><p>Mainly depression. Joy.</p>
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						<p><q>all it required was a “plug-in” for that 500 million SAP system, not a stand alone system</q></p><p>You're getting two things mixed up. The govt decided to chip in funding for a nationwide public transport ticketing system so other cities could use it. Complex anywhere in the world and different…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:06:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>    <em><br />Auckland’s $98 million public transport ticketing project is in deep trouble</em></p><p>How much???</q></p><p>Calling it “Auckland’s” is deeply misleading. It’s a national smart-fare system (ETA: including the comms standards) developed by the old ARTA and the NZ Transport Agency. That figure is high, but it’s inclusive of work to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:51:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle MacDonald</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:49:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>This goverment simply hs no clue about the reality of poverty, mental helath and disability.<br />Not a f**king clue!</q></p><p>An absence of either clues, or fucks to give.</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<p><q>Its one thing to have a target and quite another to have an plan to get to achieve that target . Can't see the plan here </q></p><p>Exactly.  And while public management academics such as Bill Ryan at VUW are <a href="http://ips.ac.nz/events/downloads/2012/Bill%20Ryan%20Better%20Public%20Services%20slides.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">quietly optimistic</a> (PDF) about <em>Better Public Services</em>, the critical part, as…</p>
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						<p>Don't you mean the trains must be sold on time?<br /><a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/security-locks-alarms/other/auction-487089487.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/security-locks-alarms/other/auction-487089487.htm</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:59:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle MacDonald</title>
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						<p>And there's the nub of it<br />"Psychological or psychiatric conditions 41.5"</p><p>Just like with incentives to get long term ACC claimants "off claim" or acheive "actuarial release", which targets in large proportion Traumatic Brain Injury and Sensitive Claimants (Sexual abuse/ assault psycholigical injuries) this 30% will come from the invisible…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:58:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>the BCR is appalling<br />Far from it.</q></p><p>Not at all, all it required was a “plug-in” for that 500 million SAP system, not a stand alone system. 98 million is a piss take, unless of course, it is being developed by <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10815503 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> future directors of our utility companies.</a> then we…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:58:01 +1200</pubDate>
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						John Key said today that his coalition government could not be held to task for dictatorial and draconian warfare waged against the poor... <em>the trains don't run on time</em> , he said.
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						I recommend Transport Blog <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/06/25/in-come-the-lawyers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">for details</a> &ndash; and see earlier posts on the same topic. At root, this is another great example of the govt favouring cronies over sound practice.
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						<p><q>the BCR is appalling</q></p><p>Far from it. This is a critical core part of the region's transport system. It enables people to seamlessly use trains, buses and ferries to get around with a single ticket. </p><p>It's also at least a decade overdue for a city that aspires to even second-world…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:36:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><strong> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10815481 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> In Other News</a> </strong><br /><q>Auckland’s $98 million public transport ticketing project is in deep trouble</q><br />How much???<br />That is equivalent to almost 100 people on the average wage for their entire working life, the BCR is appalling.<br /><q>Labour’s transport spokesman, Phil Twyford, blames the “shambles” on Government interference…</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>It speaks volumes to me that the focus is on getting people off benefits, not on getting them into employment  </q></p><p>Yup, National, treating the symptoms, ignoring the causes.<br />          National, Spreading the wealth, amongst themselves.</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>The target for Reducing Assaults on children is, as they say, "extremely ambitious". 4,019 children expected to experience substantiated physical abuse down by 1,083 to 2,936 in 2017.  Current numbers are around 3300 . <br />Firstly the projections are for a substantial increase and the target only aims to zero this…</p>
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						<p><q>wild, unobtainable</q></p><p>Please don't think of these as 'unobtainable', especially the harmful goals. This govt has been steadily laying the groundwork for the last few years while the opposition wrung its hands.</p>
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						<p><q>I don't think this policy announcement is awful. I think this Government's approach to public health is awful, and this amelioration doesn't change that.</q></p><p>I thought it was the Maori Party and<a href="http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php?pag=nw&amp;id=1668&amp;p=12m-boost-to-reduce-rheumatic-fever-.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Tariana Turia</a> who pushed for this in their confidence and supply agreement as noted <a href="http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news/2011/december-2011/12/maori-party-doubles-rheumatic-fever-spend.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> and <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1205/S00449/maori-party-budget-2012.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here.</a> That might…</p>
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						<p>Is it just me, or is it spookily coincidental that that other "compassionate conservative" and currently deeply in the <br /><a href="http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/5680#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">electoral doo-doo</a> David Cameron deployed distraction by way of previously unannounced wild, unobtainable <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/25/david-cameron-welfare" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">welfare reform "targets"</a> just a few days before John Key declared his wild, unobtainable targets by way of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:56:58 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>And reducing crime while forcing a <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7138766/Police-officers-face-pay-freeze" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pay freeze</a> on the thin blue line?</p><p>2 + 2 = 5, so get the hell over it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:46:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sarah Wedde</title>
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						The obligations for sickness beneficiaries have already changed. If your doctor says you're not capable of ANY work then you have "planning" obligations (develop an employment plan, take part in work related activities or programmes etc.). If your doctor says you are capable of part-time work then you have work…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:06:52 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>invest our resources smarter </q><br />Particularly facepalmy if this is supposed to divert attention from National’s asset sales, which would be a prime example of “investing our resources = dumber”.</p><p>Combine that with the environmental trashing <br />and the beneficiary bashing <br />and the educational slashing<br />and there's a consistent pattern:</p><p>It's all…</p>
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						Does the phrase, "it's the economy, stupid!" come to mind?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:56:16 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>It speaks volumes to me that the focus is on getting people off benefits, not on getting them <em>into employment</em>  which is a much tougher ask.<br />Getting the current shower of shits to actively promote job-creation in any meaningful form is total fantasy.</p><p>They are cutting jobs, impoverishing more &amp; more…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>It's $100 for invalid beneficiaries.  Not sure I understand the rationale for that...</q></p><p>There ya go. Easy. All beneficiaries are hereby in-valid.</p><p>Edit add; "Talkbackistan". Noice.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Speaking as a plant developmental biologist ie not an expert.</p><p>The target is probably achievable BUT the problem depends very much on figuring out why certain areas have high rates of infection. If the underlying cause is too little affordable housing then the only solution is building houses and spreading…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p><q> invest our resources smarter to get the best results</q></p><p>That's up there with <em>children are important because they represent the future</em> in meaningless waffle. Not acceptable from a novice undergraduate, let alone a government department.</p><p>Also, there's the implication that after more than 3 and half years of a National…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>Psychological or psychiatric conditions 41.5<br />Musculo-skeletal system disorders 15.2<br />Accidents 7.7<br />Cardio-vascular disorders 5.3<br />Pregnancy-related conditions 2.2<br />Other disorders and conditions 28.2</q></p><p>I'm pretty sure that in Talkbackistan that translates to "70% of sickness beneficiaries are malingerers and workshy layabouts".</p>
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						<p># we will work with a wider range of clients to break the pattern of welfare dependence<br /># we will invest our resources smarter to get the best results<br /># we will improve the model of service delivery.</p><p>Our Father which (sic) art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:53:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<p>Two quotes from the press release:<br />“These targets are not a wish-list – they are a to-do list" <br />"Some of these targets are very aspirational – in fact, some of them will be extremely difficult to achieve”</p><p>Truly we are blessed to live in such Orwellian times</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>Despite having done some research on infectious diseases, including rheumatic fever, I don't feel I can definitively comment on whether the government target is realistic.  </p><p>However, from what I do know, I don't think the target is completely impossible.  Rates in high income countries in general are below 1 per…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Getting people off benefits means implementing a new re-assessment process designed to disqualify them. This is what the Cameron government in the UK has been doing flat out for the last couple of years. Pay a large multi-national (ATOS) to design a computer system with a tick box type of…
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						might be changing only IB first cos it's not part of that group of FSS working benefits.
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						<p><q>possibly timing?</q></p><p>Huh?</p>
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						possibly timing?
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						<p><q>I thought the same threshold <em>was</em> meant to apply</q></p><p>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's still $80 for everything except IB.</p>
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						I thought the same threshold <em>was</em> meant to apply.
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						<p><q>Being disabled enough to qualify for that benefit does not mean you can’t work at all.</q></p><p>Yes, but why not give the same threshold to sickness beneficiaries? Or any beneficiary, for that matter?  I would have thought a bigger incentive to part-time work would be a win-win thing.</p>
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						Being disabled enough to qualify for that benefit does not mean you can't work at all. People get nailed by the steep abatement rates even with that small threshold change.
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						isn't it part of the same package?
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						<p><q>Whatever happened to increasing the threshold for beneficiaries to take up paid work before abatement from $80 a week to $100</q></p><p>It's $100 for invalid beneficiaries.  Not sure I understand the rationale for that...</p>
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						Whatever happened to increasing the threshold for beneficiaries to take up paid work before abatement from $80 a week to $100 (Hasn't been raised since about 1991). But they're shaking down the paperboys for small change, so I'm not holding my breath on Key living up to that promise, even…
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						<p><q>what latitude public servants who want their target bonus will have. </q></p><p>The clearout of all-but-yes-[wo]men continues. The 'policy' being excreted on the fly reminds me of working for a very well known NZ business-person in the late 90's... the dot-com era. We were setting up a subsidiary in Australia, and…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Sacha, that sounds about right. Good. (Again, huge caveat about non-knowledge). </p><p>You can reduce disease radically even if the underlying conditions remain. Panama is nearing malaria eradication, and it still has the same swamps and forests that felled tens of thousands while they were building the canal. China and Sri…</p>
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						<p><q>Anyone who knows these things: is there any breakdown of the types of illnesses people on the sickness benefit have.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/newsroom/factsheets/benefit/2012/march/fact-sheet-sb-12-mar-31.doc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p><p><q>Psychological or psychiatric conditions	41.5<br />Musculo-skeletal system disorders	15.2<br />Accidents	7.7<br />Cardio-vascular disorders	5.3<br />Pregnancy-related conditions	2.2<br />Other disorders and conditions	28.2</q></p><p>Obviously not as detailed as you'd like.…</p>
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						<p><q>Many beneficiaries do want to work at least part-time.</q></p><p>I can’t imagine how this can work out.  WINZ spends time and money harassing sick people and solo parents, while there are able-bodied and unencumbered folk who can’t find jobs??</p><p>How can this not be an embarrassing and total failure?</p><p>**Next…</p>
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						<p><q>If there isn't a funding announcement then the target is useless.</q></p><p>24m</p>
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						I don't work on rheumatic fever, or any other respiratory disease so this really isn't my area. I can't tell you how much impact these will have. But the first three of those are fairly standard in malaria; diagnosis and treatment, surveillance, and community education. In diseases which are easily…
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						<p><q>Brighter NZ my arse.</q></p><p>&amp; "# work across government agencies to address risk factors like housing conditions and hygiene in schools – for example, by ensuring hot water and soap are available."</p><p>There y'go.  all clean and bright now.  Rheumatic fever all gone!  aspiration achieved!</p>
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						<q> Brighter NZ </q>Yeah righter.
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						<p>Correction: Invalid benefit isn't part of the new <a href="http://www.ssc.govt.nz/bps-reducing-dependence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">JSS category</a>.</p><p><q>As part of Welfare Reform, a new work-focused benefit category called Job Seeker Support (JSS) will be introduced from July 2013. As at April 2012, 78,074 people had been receiving the benefits that will make up JSS for more than…</q></p>
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						<p><q>There’s also the big ‘target’ of getting 20,000 people off unemployment benefits.</q></p><p>The way things are going, that would make for a pretty big tent city. Not to worry, Treasury can tell us that each tent can fit maybe 3-4 people to make the most efficient use of space.</p>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						Anyone who knows these things: is there any breakdown of the types of illnesses  people on the sickness benefit have. How detailed is it (ie mental illness is not clear enough &mdash; it needs to be broken down into specific groupings)?   Will  recipients with certain types of dianoses be targeted,…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:06:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sara Bee</title>
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						I think the "blame the public servants" is more than an underlying assumption -"We're making the public sector leaders accountable for achieving things that make a real difference to the lives of New Zealanders, not just managing a department or agency," he said (Bill English).
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:02:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						The RF investment also has a much better return that any of those silly new highways.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:56:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Wish I remembered where some of the relevant policy development info was kept &ndash; and that there was more I could say. A journo/researcher could approach the Ministry..
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:54:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						words now failing. just going outside to kick something (inanimate) :-)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:53:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, the Budget’s investment on rheumatic fever is big enough to make a significant difference (though I’d be surprised if it is as steep as that graph makes out). Ministry of Health details here.</q></p><p>Thanks for that. It was your earlier tweet that made me want to explore…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:50:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Sick people must work?</q></p><p>that's what the WWG and Minister have said, yes.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:48:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>There’s also the big ‘target’ of getting 20,000 people off unemployment benefits. </q></p><p>Crucial to recognise it's not just about <em>unemployment</em> benefits, but sickness, invalid and DPB as well. Based on the WWG report and govt's response so far, it's likey to be those groups that show the most reduction in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:47:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p><q>Brilliant ideas keep leaping forth from the top-notch thinkers in our govt, eh? Can’t wait for the details.</q></p><p>Here's a suggestion &ndash; they could run a workshop for longterm unemployed where they talk about how jobs are really cool and talk about the benefits of employment, such as money, holidays…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:46:59 +1200</pubDate>
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						<q>Progress will be monitored using one key measure – the number of working-age people continuously receiving JSS for more than 12 months.</q>The core KPI:  what happens after the targetees come off the JSS is not the government's  business. The important thing is that the numbers are cut, some would say…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:46:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						To be fair, the Budget's investment on rheumatic fever is big enough to make a significant difference (though I'd be surprised if it is as steep as that graph makes out). Ministry of Health <a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/rheumatic-fever" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">details here</a>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:42:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Brilliant ideas keep leaping forth from the top-notch thinkers in our govt, eh? Can’t wait for the details.</q></p><p>The early leader in the race to identify the most risible government gibberish. Jesus wept.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:32:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I’m interested in knowing what latitude public servants who want their target bonus will have. The government is supposed to set policy, not public servants. I can’t say I’d be very motivated by a challenging target if I couldn’t have my way in how to achieve it.</p><p>Which also leads…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:20:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>There’s also the big ‘target’ of <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7167235/Govt-targets-unemployed" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">getting 20,000 people off unemployment benefits</a>. <br />The article parrots a bit of moaning about how expensive these unemployed people are:<br /><q><br />Currently 12 per cent of New Zealand’s working age population is on a main benefit and more than 230,000 children live in benefit-dependent homes.…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:17:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>And a little more seriously: the relevant page on the website does include some "policy".  here is how the government plans to reduce RF:<br /><q># provide throat swabbing and treatment to children at high risk<br /># raise community and health sector awareness of the disease<br /># improve knowledge of rheumatic…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:16:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>I think its pretty obvious how they're going to achieve that target: not hospitalise people with rheumatic fever.  Duh!</p><p>As for how to get medical professionals to cooperate with that, I forsee funding cuts for DHBs not meeting the target.  With proper incentives in place, the problem solves itself.</p><p>(The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:03:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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