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Rob Hosking

Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:12:30 +1300

Piece comparing countries, and touching, in the latest Atlantic: link here http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/europeans-comfort-touch-social-bonds/412861/

'“We hadn’t expected the Finns to turn out to be the most cuddly people,” Dunbars says, “or that the Italians are almost as uncuddly as the Brits.”

Paul Campbell

Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:25:54 +1300

Today's Tremain

Heather Gaye

Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:31:11 +1300

Here's a little article that says overt celebration on the field helps a team perform better: http://blog.80percentmental.com/2010/11/soccer-goal-celebrations-are-contagious.html#.Vi1H02QrJL8

BenWilson

Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:06:10 +1300

He seems like a good dude. I don't know what's up with all the haterz. Too talented and good looking, I think. All Blacks are meant to be ugly and gruff.

Russell Brown

Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:54:27 +1300

This is cool. Sonny Bill Williams comforts a shattered Jesse Kriel after the final whistle in this morning’s pulse-pounding semi-final.

BenWilson

Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:28:39 +1300

As a frame:

BenWilson

Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:26:35 +1300

I wonder which broadcaster reading PAS decided to do a long slow-mo of the group hug after Savea scored the first try against France the other day. I was almost expecting it to freeze frame and then fade to black and white for the credits roll.

Here’s the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k8qT67ILX3Y#t=192

Son of Dad

Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:01:49 +1300

Olivia Manning's Harriet Pringle on the men of the NZEF she sees in a Greek cinema: 'there were New Zealanders, tall, sun-burnt, men, who seemed to retain their seriousness as a source of power.'

I'm not convinced about a link between egalitarianism and undemonstrativeness. In fact, I was brought up…

chris

Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:27:48 +1300

unlike our PM and hammers. :)

There’s your superhero/villain origin story; brought up by a single mother following the death of his alcoholic father, the boy never chanced upon the privilege of putting hammer to nail – whether it was that his family could barely afford either or that they…

Leopold

Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:25:48 +1300

Wait til you have a cracked rib and a friend hugs you before you've had a chance to blurt out a warning....

David Hood

Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:22:47 +1300

It seems to me the primary defense of a undemonstrative demeanour is that a laconic outlook is the mark of an egalitarian society

I think the English are generally stereotyped as both emotionally respressed and highly class ridden.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3857

Emma Hart

Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:50:24 +1300

And of course, we have the home of laconic silence itself – the Spartans, for which we have the following anecdote of silent egalitarianism and respect:

Egalitarian Sparta? Are you actually kidding?

Joe Wylie

Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:03:40 +1300

Man snog.

chris

Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:18:35 +1300

Postcards from New Zealand.

BenWilson

Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:51:46 +1300

It's an interesting idea, that out laconic nature was somehow an offshoot of our egalitarianism.But I don't think it's true. It seems more likely to be an offshoot of our British ancestry, and our highly rural population.

It seems to me that generally speaking, the more unequal the society, the…

nzlemming

Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:41:48 +1300

I don't do a lot of hugging, except with family and my Best Beloved, because I'm atrocious at reading the social cues. I also know a fair few women who aren't too pleased at unasked-for intimacy of this type and, as my memory is shot to hell from M.E., I…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:04:44 +1300

I guess once we were happy to be a undemonstrative society that looked after it’s old people…
…Bryan Bruce has an excellent piece in today’s Press about the demonstrative economy…
ahead of of the lecture he will give in the Transitional Cathedral, 234 Hereford Street, Chchch this Saturday at 7pm.

Tom Semmens

Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:24:35 +1300

It seems to me the primary defense of a undemonstrative demeanour is that a laconic outlook is the mark of an egalitarian society, because in an egalitarian society it is your actions that do all the speaking you need for you. It seems to me that generally speaking, the more…

Rosemary McDonald

Fri, 09 Oct 2015 08:42:23 +1300

and ask for mercy and a hug because I obviously need glasses!

Me too, having failed the driving licence eye test the other day.

I had to go where I should've gone before and ended up 'bonding' with the eye professional over a completely non vision related issue. A hug…

TracyMac

Fri, 09 Oct 2015 03:16:39 +1300

It's definitely a culture shift, and I'm going to come out and say that I think seeing it in "manly" sport actually is the most significant impetus to the trend.

I don't think I saw pakeha heterosexual men hug until my late 20s. I think it's great they do much…

Sacha

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 22:33:33 +1300

also provides evidence you can handle an axe, unlike our PM and hammers. :)

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 22:08:46 +1300

How interesting!

Paul Brown

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 21:56:08 +1300

When I was part of the first 3 NZ Americas Cup challenges the sailors had a deliberate policy of not showing any emotion when we won. In San Diego especially, it was a reaction to the high fives and over the top (we thought) celebrations of the Americans. A hand…

BenWilson

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:06:28 +1300

Imagine how freaked out the opposition would be if there were no celebrations on scoring, and everyone just jogged back to halfway, ready for more.

Emotionless can be a ploy, and not just on the field. To not go OTT with hugs and stuff on an old friend you haven't…

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:18:18 +1300

2008, 2nd-five about to hug Prime Minister.

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:52:22 +1300

That would actually freak people out.

Luke Williamson

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 15:54:29 +1300

I think we should we should get back to the 60s absence of emotion on the rugger field as a tactic. Imagine how freaked out the opposition would be if there were no celebrations on scoring, and everyone just jogged back to halfway, ready for more. Implication being, that's jus…

Berinthia Binnie

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 13:17:16 +1300

I actually liked the way the light fell on my nicely-stacked wood

Of course you did *hug* because it’s wood innit (I see the folly of my ways now on the bigger screen).

So I return my Celebratory hug for finally seeing what it wasn’t (water catching the light over…

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 10:17:56 +1300

But as it's Russell, I'm guessing it's an oblique tip of the hat to The Saints!

I actually just liked the way the light fell on my nicely-stacked wood – but now you've brought it up, I'm going to fish out that 7" and play it at Real Groovy on…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 08 Oct 2015 09:27:35 +1300

Stacker lead...
...the conceptual basis of the fastidiously stacked firewood on the Hard News twitter banner
hmmm
at Loggerheads?
Stowing dis-Cord?
or Accord for that matter
a cord of wood,
a cord is also a thread,
or at least a good lead...

But as it's Russell, I'm guessing it's an…

Berinthia Binnie

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:56:57 +1300

Celebration hug!

I have been liberated from pondering the conceptual basis of the fastidiously stacked firewood on the Hard News twitter banner. Not it is.

Aaah, sweet relief.

Conrad Heine

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:46:57 +1300

Coincidentally perhaps, man-hugs are on the always-great Stephen Collins's agenda this week, at a time certain English blokes require consolation:

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/picture/2015/oct/03/stephen-collins-on-man-hugs-cartoon

william blake

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:00:15 +1300

Hyper masculine hugs...give em a taste of kiwi.

Deborah

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:39:01 +1300

This poses some obvious problems for people who are generally uncomfortable with hugging or being hugged.

I'm okay with a brief hug. Even a slightly longer hug. But I have one friend here in Manawatu who insists on a very long hug, and I always feel, well, trapped.

My daughters…

Rosemary McDonald

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:00:32 +1300

Did George Gregan and Jeff Wilson teach us nothing?

Jeff was the original sensitive guy...and his teammate Josh...

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders/201563/rugby-highlanders-so-far#

(Highlanders loss to the Crusaders 2000)

simon g

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 17:14:53 +1300

Hug and snog to your heart's content, but let us not embrace the latest fad ... joyous celebration before the try is scored. "Where's the camera? Wave! Hand signals!" ... oops, dropped it.

Did George Gregan and Jeff Wilson teach us nothing? Put the ball down, then you can have…

BlairMacca

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 17:01:34 +1300

My first FA Cup was 1980. Brooking’s goal had the same impact for me (on hating the Arsenal that is)

Yeh, that cemented it!

And for me, being a 7 year old Liverpool fan at the time, 1989 sealed my Arsenal hatred. The next year I moved on to Spurs…

Peter Darlington

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 15:11:38 +1300

My first FA Cup was 1980. Brooking's goal had the same impact for me (on hating the Arsenal that is)

Yeh, that cemented it!

Rob Hosking

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:40:08 +1300

Since the power of the labour movement got smashed from the 70s onwards, it’s been ok to allow physical demonstrations of friendship, but only in support of commodified activities that encourage commerce.

You know, taking off my sceptical Tory hat for a minute, and putting on my whimsical social observer…

Russell Brown

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:26:34 +1300

*cough*

I literally laughed out loud. Bravo.

Paul Rowe

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:22:04 +1300

My first FA Cup was 1980. Brooking's goal had the same impact for me (on hating the Arsenal that is)

Stephen Judd

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:21:37 +1300

As unions grew stronger and stronger in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, capitalism demanded that bonds of solidarity be weakened. Thus it is that the frostiest interpersonal behaviour is found in those Protestant countries where industrialisation and the factory model are or were strongest.

Since the power of…

andrew r

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:12:14 +1300

Bit gay? .....lols cldne resist

Russell Brown

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:57:00 +1300

Ali Williams doesn't just hug JC, he nails him with his shoulder flush on the chin.

That's why JC is crying.

Rosemary McDonald

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:47:04 +1300

Ali Williams....

rugger hugger?

Peter Darlington

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:43:01 +1300

If that's what I think it was Pete, I would have kissed Mick Mills myself on that day in 1978.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FA_Cup_Final

You are absolutely correct. First FA Cup Final I ever saw. I've enjoyed seeing Arsenal getting beaten ever since.

Andre

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:39:34 +1300

John Campbell may have become one of the first sports reporters to suffer whiplash from covering a game of rugby. Ali's a BIG unit.

Paul Rowe

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:38:24 +1300

If that's what I think it was Pete, I would have kissed Mick Mills myself on that day in 1978.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FA_Cup_Final

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:16:17 +1300

He-mancipation...
Hug reform
I see what you did there:
Ugh to Hug...

;- )

James Littlewood*

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:05:47 +1300

entactogenic

Had to look that one up.

The terms empathogen and entactogen are used to designate a class of psychoactive drugs that produce experiences of emotional communion, oneness, relatedness, emotional openness—that is, empathy or sympathy—as particularly observed and reported for experiences with MDMA (ecstasy).

Hug reform, nice.

Richard Irvine

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:02:44 +1300

Ali Williams doesn't just hug JC, he nails him with his shoulder flush on the chin.

Peter Darlington

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:55:26 +1300

Football was always way ahead on this front....

Shaun Lott

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:49:04 +1300

Hugs are fine. Just leave the ponytail alone.

Public Address

Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:49:04 +1300

Discussion from blog post.