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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Latest from the NZ Initiative: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/9439068/Theres-no-such-thing-as-free-parking" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">There's no such thing as free parking</a>.</p><p>This article seems to lean toward the NZ Institute half of the NZ Initiative.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:21:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> the costs of additional infrastructure should be paid for by the developers, who benefit from it.</q></p><p>And, like I said, pass it on to the home buyer. You really think developers, out of the kindness of their hearts, actually cough up the cash?. The whole point of Govt. paying the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:01:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>Revenue (2012) 440 million. Operating expenses. 185 million. Interest costs 73 million. Depreciation and amortisation 180 million.</p><p>Return on equity &ndash; (0.8%)</q></p><p>I don't see a problem with that.</p><p>The water infrastructure belongs to its users (the people of Auckland) and is more or less adequate for the current population.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:10:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						<p>"Water falls from the sky, others collect it and charge for it. The infrastructure that reticulates is just another way of making us have to pay for our survival."</p><p>Those bastards &ndash; building dams and water mains, labs and treatment stations for ensuring the water is potable!  Going around stealing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:29:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Good buy Mr Chips…</strong><br /><q>What ever happened to the egalitarian <strong>principals</strong> <br />this country was founded on?</q><br />They were all replaced by Charter Schools?<br />Apparently they get a better rate of interest…<br />;-  )</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:30:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> underpricing water is regressive.</q></p><p>Water falls from the sky, others collect it and charge for it. The infrastructure that reticulates is just another way of making us have to pay for our survival.<br />. Who wins there?.<br />I guess we could get “Mum and Dad” investors to take the risk…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:28:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Pressure for expansion beyond current infrastructure is likely to happen in Northland too.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:26:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						<p>Being barred from returning a dividend is effectively the same thing as being barred from making a profit in the long run. </p><p>Re pricing and human rights &ndash; underpricing water is regressive. Those who use more water get more of a subsidy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:53:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>closest current network</q> I can see where the confusion comes from but....<br />We are, or should be, looking at a country we all want to live in, not just Aucklanders or those with the ability to have the wherewithal to live there. What ever happened to the egalitarian principals this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:28:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Watercare in AKL for example is not allowed, legally, to make a profit.</q></p><p>Watercare is not allowed to return a dividend. That is a vastly different situation to not being allowed to earn more money in a year than is required to cover operating and depreciation expenses. It is absolutely…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:19:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Canterbury farmer attitude</q></p><p>indeed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:18:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>If you just happen, through right if inheritance, own a bit of land that could be developed then why should the onus be on you to provide infrastructure</q></p><p>So water/sewerage/road/electricity/internet connections from the closest current network are someone else's responsibility?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:15:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						If you just happen, through right if inheritance, own a bit of land that could be developed then why should the onus be on you to provide infrastructure that will be  to the benefit of society at large? I suppose you could just run a sewage pipe to the nearest…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:57:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Not asking who should do it, just who you understand does right now.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:45:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Who pays to build any new water and sewage lines across the region, not just within a subdivision to which development levies may apply?</q></p><p>TLDR? Central Govt. Spread the load, works for all not just the privileged.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:31:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						^^ Sorry again for typos. I really should proof read these things.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:12:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						<p>I have a quick look through the 2012 annual report.</p><p>Assets are valued at 7.8 billion, equity is 5.5 billion</p><p>Revenue (2012) 440 million.  Operating expenses. 185 million.  Interest costs 73 million. Depreciation and amortisation 180 million.</p><p>Return on equity &ndash; (0.8%).  </p><p>So it is a good question about hoe…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:10:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>The true cost of Watercare’s services do not include infrastructure costs other than maintenance</q></p><p>Who pays to build any new water and sewage lines across the region, not just within a subdivision to which development levies may apply?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:22:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>If Watercare could inflate their prices for all their customers then they could reduce them for developers, sure. How that’s good for anyone else is unclear.</q><br />Not quite sure what you mean by “inflate”. The true cost of Watercare’s services do not include infrastructure costs other than maintenance. Building the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:50:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Why should a 'fair' return on capital be the same for a profit-seeking private business as a public monopoly?</p><p>If Watercare could inflate their prices for all their customers then they could reduce them for developers, sure. How that's good for anyone else is unclear.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:45:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Ummmm ... your response seems to confuse "capital costs" with "profit margin". The two are in no way the same.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:38:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						No.  Watercare own a huge amount of capital. My reading of their finances indicates a return n capital of perhaps 2%. And that includes charges directly on developers. If Watercare priced its water and waste services assuming a fair return on capital (say 5-10%)  it would have no need for…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:50:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						You seriously think Watercare's capital costs aren't built into their prices?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:04:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>buoyed with optimism...</strong><br /><q>house boats</q><br />...now that opens up a raft of possibilities!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:08:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						^^ Apologies for the numerous typos. I hope you get the gist.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:22:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						I thought the whole government grant thing was bizarre and rather unprincipled. I don't really like the idea of MUDs myself. The way I see it, the problem is: the price for infrastructure use is too low, so the council sees it as a burben to provide more. Watercare in…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:20:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>A CGT or financial transaction tax would only get added to the price of real estate, further screwing those who don’t own property.</q></p><p>That's not the only reason for a CGT. The other is because it is actually real income that goes completely untaxed. Whether it is fueling speculation is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:33:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>more green field</q></p><p>As has been observed, that's all that Auckland has been doing for quite a few decades. We don't need more green field outside the current boundaries, we need more intensification within. We need to tell the selfish gits in the leafy suburbs that, no, sorry, you <em>don't</em>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:32:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						I'd say a large proportion of the people in Auckland can't afford a rug from Ponsonby either, Paul, because all their money is going on renting shitty uninsulated housing stock.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:57:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I think the right way to do a CGT is to provide an exemption for the "family home"- allow people to sell and trade up their primary residence (keeping the unpaid CGT accumulating) but allow a one life-time exemption on sales (usually taken at retirement or when you downsize when…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:43:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>I am all for some kind of tax on foreign non residents buying property.  Pretty common in places like Hong Kong and Singapore.  <br />LVRs seem to have backfired a bit, I think they should have been applied to purchases of existing houses only. That would work to direct demand to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:20:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<p>London is one of the world's most intensified cities, yet the same problems of housing cost and housing supply are playing out here. Again, simply put: there is a shortage of "affordable" rental accommodation (<£1200 pcm) in the City and a disproportionate amount of new developments being built cater for the global super rich. As in Auckland, I suspect, these properties are marketed off-plan and are bought by investment consortia. In other words, they're not built to <em>live in</em>; they're built primarily to be financial assets. Many sit empty year round: there are whole apartment blocks, hell, whole streets in places like Chelsea, where there isn't a light on after dark.</p><p>This is "market failure" like that plaguing Auckland writ large. And it indicates what the problem actually is: especially since 2008, urban planning and politics are being conducted for the benefit of the global elite rather than local populations. This is what "foreign investment" in the housing market looks like: retail prices out of the reach of <em>anybody</em> living and earning locally and new properties essentially <em>designed</em> to sit vacant all year round, while the local political elite increasingly sees the global rich as their constituency, not local electors.</p><p>The idea that neoliberal policies like MUD are going to fix this is beyond laughable. This is the end-game of neoliberalism: this is the world they <em>wanted</em>. Those of us who have to live full-time in the cities now being run like theme parks for the global rich are not, how shall we say, the <em>target market</em> for mainstream political parties anymore.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 00:13:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						Remind me where the roads of national significance were?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:01:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<q>And Auckland has, historically, had a very limited "suck at the sav" in terms of spending. Very, very limited, relative to population. For the regions to get all bitchy because Auckland is now getting infrastructure spending that's been stifled for decades is, unsurprisingly, ignorant and selfish. No wonder they vote…</q>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>built on an impossible isthmus</q></p><p>not hard to overcome &ndash; the <a href="http://www.congestionfree.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Congestion Free Network</a> is a good example of what's needed. Welli is even more constrained than Auckland but has had decades of better investment in public transport options.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:23:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>it’s built on an impossible isthmus, of course there are transportation problems</q></p><p>Of course there are transportation problems when the "solution" has been to build more and more lanes of motorway and starve public transport infrastructure to the point of near-death. Aucklanders are trying to say <strong>enough!</strong>, but the government…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:55:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>What would you do to reduce demand?  Stop new people coming to Auckland? How do you legally do that? Stop Aucklanders having children?</q></p><p>(tongue in cheekily) maybe nothing &ndash; many of the rest of us have this general feeling that at the moment our cities and infrastructure are being starved…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:49:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>more of the same</q></p><p>Really? You must have lived in a different Auckland city than the one I’ve lived in for 40 years.</p><p>What we have done in Auckland for decade after decade is open up greenfield subdivisions on the edges of the city that is what we have actually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:49:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						Mark: I'll check it out. Things like that can be well worth reading.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:39:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						The recent Unit Titles Act is a mess. Another fuck up by the current Govt.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:28:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						<p><q>the land use restriction policies generally favored by the left, that are absolutely f*&amp;king the less well off, those that the left generally seem to think they care about the most, while delivering a windfall to the well off. </q><br />It could also be said that those who will benefit most from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:26:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>If you ask “why” 5 times about most symptoms in the Auckland housing market you get back to land supply restrictions as the root of the problem.</q></p><p>If you are asking a neoliberal, yes.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:22:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Finacial system demand. Impose LVRs, CGT, and perhaps even a financial transactions tax. Stop making it so damn attractive for foreigners to 'invest' their money in our property casino.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:20:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						What would you do to reduce demand?  Stop new people coming to Auckland? How do you legally do that? Stop Aucklanders having children?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:56:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Bart, <br />So I am corrupt am I? Please.<br />How will more of the same that caused the problem, solve the problem?<br />Do you want to keep making property speculators and land bankers rich do you?  Do you want to keep the one way property bet in place that screws the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:54:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						Intensification can also mean buildings with body-corporate setups that I have found to be uniformly unattractive and potentially hostile when I hear the experiences of friends and acquaintances. The Sentinal in Takapuna is typical. The developer contracted to a private company to be the effective arm of the body corporate.…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:01:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Yes, I’m sort of kidding. You shouldn't have to have played the various Sim City games as much as I have over the years to know all that.</q><br />I think sim city should be compulsory playing for everybody in Council.The concepts are really simple. You build where people want to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:33:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-housing-the-feudal-model/?p=301457#post301457</link>
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						Looks like more privatising the profits and socialising the costs. That pretty much sums up the current government's economic policy. I can't vote for such greedy, ultimately stupid people.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:20:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-housing-the-feudal-model/?p=301456#post301456</link>
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						<p><q>For some time demand has exceed supply</q></p><p>So how about we tackle the demand-side as well.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:25:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> trying new ideas, such as MUDS</q></p><p>The problem is that while MUDS may be new to you and new to New Zealand they are in fact not new at all. They have been used in many places. Uniformly they have resulted in very rich developers and very shitty housing.</p><p>So…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:21:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-housing-the-feudal-model/?p=301451#post301451</link>
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						Where does the "endless acres of sprawl we are talking" come from?  I haven't seen any plan that involves endless acres of sprawl.  Now in Dallas you have a large city getting larger, but that doesn't mean that you need endless acres of sprawl to take a lot of the…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 05:05:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>a bit of growth on the fringes </q></p><p>if only it was a 'bit', not endless acres of sprawl we're talking. Auckland's Unitary Plan already includes other major centres across the region for intensification to focus around, not just in the downtown cbd.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:07:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>The main Nimby got shut down swiftly and pointedly by Toderian at his presentation a few weeks ago.</q></p><p> &ndash; which was lacking from Council's earlier responses, allowing way more oxygen than warranted.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:04:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<p>This whole thing is so complicated. As they say, 'for every complex problem, there's a simple solution. And it's probably wrong."</p><p>I'd say many Aucklanders want medium density housing and you can see the odd one here or there but we're talking a makeover of large swathes of Auckland. It's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:15:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Here is a good read on rethinking urban planning, specifically "smart growth", with lots of links to other related articles.</p><p><a href="http://bit.ly/19FfFWK" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://bit.ly/19FfFWK</a></p><p>When the price of housing is as out of whack as it is in NZ, with the tremendous harm that does to the less well off, it really is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:11:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>david kinniburgh</title>
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						<p>Hi Socrates:<br /><q>. What some object to (as do I, and I do not even own property there) – is a complete Council fiasco in the implementation of a modern sewerage system.<br />It’s actually a bloody good example of a quasi PPP gone very bad, to the detriment of the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:33:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>But they're actually at lower levels at the moment than Feb, we haven't heard the stories of people queuing outside rentals for a few years now.</p><p><a href="http://listings.jonette.co.nz/blog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://listings.jonette.co.nz/blog/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:41:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>a seasonal high in rental availability doesn’t necessarily translate to there not being an availability problem.</q></p><p>This time of year is a really bad one for looking at rental availability in Auckland, because student flats are breaking up. In three months' time, availability declines back to nearly zero, before getting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:05:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>My understanding of the Auckland market is that we have a housing “affordability” crisis but not an “availability” crisis.</p><p>In Auckland rental listings are at an all time seasonal high at the moment with rental prices fairly static while house prices skyrocket.</q>Auckland has both an affordability and an availability crisis,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:52:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>The housing bubble in NZ is a textbook case of an industry cartel, with the incumbent players imposing barriers to entry. And it's fomenting polarised communities.</p><p>If you want a good indicator of how polarised a community is, the wrong side of the tracks feel threatening and lifeless, and the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:57:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Perhaps a culture change campaign could remind them all to think of what our city will be like for their grandchildren.</q></p><p>There won't be any grandchildren in Auckland at the current rate of progress. Their parents will have left for cities that take health and well-being seriously.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:46:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I'm not trying to troll, and I totally take your point on the mismanaged PPP.</p><p>But it remains that if a (rural) community chooses to allow widespread subdivision and development, then it will need expensive services and that every property owner (including those with original 50 year old baches) will…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:46:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>"Sprawl is hugely expensive" As expensive as median houses at 7 or 8 times the median salary?</q></p><p>I think you've nailed the problem. We need cheaper houses, and that means cheaper infrastructure. Building a new house 100km from the CBD and needing to build new roads, power lines, water and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:46:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q><br /><em>“Sprawl is hugely expensive”</em><br />As expensive as median houses at 7 or 8 times the median salary? How much is too much? Median houses at 10 times the median salary?</q></p><p>Sprawl won’t fix that. It doesn’t fix it anywhere in the world. Sydney and Melbourne sprawl, and sprawl, and sprawl,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:44:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Some would say the local body politicians have gone back to the safe option as opposed to enabling a real cultural shift.</q></p><p>They have listened to the loud and organised current owners of detached coastal houses over also bringing the interests of future residents to the table as they are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:34:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>"Sprawl is hugely expensive"  <br />As expensive as median houses at 7 or 8 times the median salary?  How much is too much?  Median houses at 10 times the median salary?</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						I haven't been to Auckland since I was a kid, but all I see on the news and such (google knows all, but won't tell me) is traditional section divisions and huge apartment blocks. Are there still no skinny 3-story townhouse rows for packing in people? That's the problem here,…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:52:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>correct me if I’m wrong, but since the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan came out on the 30th Sep…you’ve been a bit quiet on it (and so to the MSM).</p><p>I remember reading a great piece from you when the Draft plan came out…but not recently.</q></p><p>Fair call. I enthusiastically retweeted…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:40:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Socraates</title>
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						<p>Russell,</p><p>correct me if I'm wrong, but since the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan came out on the 30th Sep...you've been a bit quiet on it (and so to the MSM).</p><p>I remember reading a great piece from you when the Draft plan came out...but not recently.  </p><p>There's been a shift…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>My understanding of the Auckland market is that we have a housing "affordability" crisis but not an "availability" crisis.</p><p>In Auckland rental listings are at an all time seasonal high at the moment with rental prices fairly static while house prices skyrocket.</p><p>In Christchurch and Wellington the 2 variables (rent…</p>
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						<p>Sorry Rich (if I can take a liberty and address you as such), you're off the mark on that one (I really hope I'm not feeding the troll). </p><p>Not all the residents in Mangawhai Heads have million dollar baches, and some have been there for generations with the 'good ole…</p>
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				<title>Konrad Kurta</title>
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						Nail, head. It's also a demographics thing, namely the ones against intensification seem to be rich and older.
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						<p><q>In broader terms, though, I think the two big problems are, <br />1. As Mark Graham identified above, there is a fundamental market failure happening: what new housing is being built is not the housing that’s most needed; and</q></p><p>And the NZ Initiative not only ignores that, but actively denies there…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> there is a fundamental market failure happening: what new housing is being built is not the housing that’s most needed;</q></p><p>The "market" is failing in more than that. As long as the "market" (I put it in quotes because this mythical beast is a creation,  made to suit a lazy…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						Thing is though that of course “without cause” evictions do have a cause.  The landlord may be planning to sell the house and wants to be able to list and sell it with vacant posession; the landlord may want to do substantial work on the house to upgrade it.  Both…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Quite reliably neo-lib</q></p><p>And boss <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Marc_Hartwich" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Oliver Hartwich</a> is a member of  worldwide neolib boosters the Mont Pelerin Society and previously headed Australia's neolib CIS 'think'tank.</p>
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						<p><q>Couldn’t the housing situation be improved by just toughing up the Residential Tenancies Act? </q></p><p>Secure tenancy is part of the Green Party’s <a href="https://www.greens.org.nz/housing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">housing policies</a>. Hope that gets through post-election coalition negotiations.</p>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						Furthermore, regarding a 'Housing Crisis' &ndash; as Tim Hazeldine pointed out a year or so ago in the NZ Herald, we're not witnessing people in the streets because they have no house. (I know, I know &ndash; there is overcrowding and some people have substandard housing but we've always had…
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						<p>Anything with Michael Bassett's name attached needs to be read in the context of neo-liberalism ad absurdum. </p><p>I'm not sure about the MUDs but the housing affordability crisis is real and being played out in many OECD cities including NYC, London, Sydney. </p><p>Land closer to the CBD is bloody expensive.…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Then you have people like the residents of Mangawhai Heads, who, I understand, object to a few thousand dollars per property in council borrowing and consequent rates to provide a modern sewage plant. (Whilst, of course, their million dollar beach houses are no doubt mortgaged to the hilt).
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						<p><q>strengthening it in favour of all tenants would be a good start.</q></p><p>You know you said "Depends who "we" is, doesn't it?". Think about the damage to the priavte wealth of the Rt Hon. Nicky Wagner if residental rental property became a less lucrative investment? Just run down the list…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The US model of funding schools from property taxes is flawed, large funding differences occur between wealthy and impoverished communities, between States and within States.</p><p>We don’t want to go down that road.</q></p><p>Depends who "we" is, doesn't it?</p>
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						<p><q>How about having a 180 day notice period? </q></p><p>How about doing away with without-cause evictions entirely? And make it a criminal offence to use the “family reasons” excuse if the house is not then occupied by family of the landlord within a month of vacancy and for at least three…</p>
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						<p><q>Schools are also built and funded via bonds and repaid via the same taxes on the homeowner.</q></p><p>Who pays for the new fire station(s), at a million dollars a year for a single-appliance 24x7 paid station, on top of a million dollars to build it? Even a volunteer station has…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>The US model of funding schools from property taxes is flawed, large funding differences occur between wealthy and impoverished communities, between States and within States.</p><p>We don't want to go down that road.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Schools are also built and funded via bonds and repaid via the same taxes on the homeowner.</q></p><p>So while I was living in Tucson a bond for a local school failed because, well, most of the rich folks in the area were retired and didn't need a school since their…</p>
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				<title>Chris Casey</title>
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						<p>Hi Russell,<br />Recently, as a group of housing activists, we met with architects and Council to propose  that University/Education State land, such as Mt Albert's Unitec, could be integral to a sustainable on-campus housing plan....up to 3000 units, within the Unitary Plan. Tamaki, MIT, Epsom Teachers and Massey Albany sites…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						As much as I'm loath to consider any model that's obviously designed to promote sprawl, I believe that every city could do with a few Multi-User Dungeons.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Just seems like a PPP scheme in the making with the usual benefits for a select few whilst residents/ratepayers or taxpayers get to ultimately carry the burden of debt</q></p><p>Four words: Sydney Cross City Tunnel.</p>
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						<p><q>and that someone has to represent the people who will go without, not the developers</q></p><p>This. </p><p>I've seen too many developer-controlled projects that are unpleasant-to-lethal to see any good in this idea. The simple situation where you buy an apartment and one condition of sale is handing your proxy on…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Having lived in Northern California with a local elected MUD I have to comment on how distorted the damn things become, ours was continuing to allow hookups to well connected developers long past the point where they had a reliable year on year water supply &ndash; it reached the point…
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>I’m not sure about the NZ Initiative. </q><br />Quite reliably neo-lib, with the occasional mild twist. <br />Formed in a merger between the Business Round Table (feudal capitalism :)) and The NZ Institute (milder; more liberal) it’s tempting to think of it as the BRT in drag. It’s a little more interesting,…</p>
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						<p><q>Schools are also built and funded via bonds and repaid via the same taxes on the homeowner.</p><p>Hmmmm …</q><br />That's Texas for ya. Can't see it going that far in the Waitakeres.</p>
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						<p>I can see privatising pooh pipes in each suburb ending well for all concerned (except those with wells). </p><p>That developer is definitely going to be around when the excrement hits the everything. </p><p>They'd never just leave the MUDs drowning in debt and things they <strong>wished</strong> were mud, after the funds…</p>
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						<p>I’m not sure about the NZ Initiative.  Each paper they have released seems to advocate policies that will benefit property developers.  Not that there is anything wrong with that but sometimes it seems their arguments don’t stack up. </p><p>How much of a housing shortage is there in Auckland?  There is…</p>
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						<p><q>Schools are also built and funded via bonds and repaid via the same taxes on the homeowner.</q></p><p>Hmmmm ...</p>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>Is there really a need to replicate with looser regulations that which the council does itself?</p><p>Just seems like a PPP scheme in the making with the usual benefits for a select few whilst residents/ratepayers or taxpayers get to ultimately carry the burden of debt</p><p>I wish some of the…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>As Ross describes it, MUDs look a bit like local governments ... without some of the regulation, but saddled with debt. (And the need for the development to cough up profits- some of the debt/bonds must be borrowing to give the developers a guaranteed profit?)</p><p><q>Here’s a break-down of how…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Ben Ross, who's not an idiot, <a href="http://voakl.net/2013/11/19/muds-are-back-on-the-agenda/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is not entirely dismissing MUDs</a>.
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