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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>So both Broad and Pope are jumping before they’re pushed. It’ll be interesting to see if the new Chief Commissioner implents many of the report’s recommendations. I’ve a horrible feeling things won’t change much, though.</q></p><p>Broad's resignation was announced <a href="http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/113221/police-boss-broad-step-down" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">at the end of June</a>, long before the report came out.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:12:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10700805" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Deb Hill Cone's take on Amy Chua's Pressure To Succeed 101</a>.</p><p>__"There is one school of thought that the next great human rights movement &ndash; after civil rights and feminism &ndash; will be the fight for the rights of children not to be emotionally stuffed up by their parents. Remember, it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:58:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						Just finished reading Nick Stuart's Rudd's Way (Scribe, 2010), which explains why the wheels fell off Kevin Rudd's ALP federal govt across the Taz. Basically, it was because of (i) the ALP's insane factionalism; (ii) its troglodyte rightist faction who couldn't put their own self-interest and extraction industry power base…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:51:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>UN committee on the rights of the child says 1 in 5 NZ children live in poverty.</p><p>Paula Bennett on Radio NZ: "In general NZ is best place in the world to bring up kids," [meaningless cliché] "but I do appreciate that for some people life is hard." [that's just…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:42:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jonathan King</title>
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						<p>UN committee on the rights of the child says 1 in 5 NZ children live in poverty.</p><p>Paula Bennett on Radio NZ: "In general NZ is best place in the world to bring up kids," [meaningless cliché] "but I do appreciate that for some people life is hard." [that's just…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:44:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>She’s a mod...</p></blockquote><p>with lung black hair on <a href="http://typophile.com/files/lucky_strike_4356.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lucky's Trike</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:22:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						She's a <a href="http://www.kgbclothing.co.uk/images/blankSquare/modTargetBlank.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mod</a>, yeah... right!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:59:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wonder if they’re anything like these dreaded amphibians.</p></blockquote><p>Wow! Blaxolotls!!</p><blockquote><p>Or change the RAF logo from a bullseye to crosshairs.</p></blockquote><p>Meanwhile back in New Zealand<br />people of all ages willingly don <a href="http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/images/nzmm-logo-2009.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">these</a><br />(also known as the "Target" Audience...)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:42:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						So both Broad and Pope are jumping before they're pushed. It'll be interesting to see if the new Chief Commissioner implents many of the report's recommendations. I've a horrible feeling things won't change much, though.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:10:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Or change the RAF logo from a bullseye to crosshairs.</q><br />I can see it now... "Damn it, are those my cross hairs?. It's all so confusing..."<br />And just in case this hasn't been linked to... <a href="http://lewischuang.posterous.com/terror-level-rises-the-english-have-raised-th " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> "Terror level rises: The English... have raised their security level from “Miffed" to,"Peeved."..."</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:56:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>. . . the dreaded Interior Ministry</q><br />Pity there's no picture. <br />Wonder if they're anything like these <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pokerbrit/4229848937/lightbox/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dreaded amphibians.</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:50:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Speaking of News...</strong><br />Who knew that the Tunisians had so many Rastafarians in Government!</p><blockquote><p>Tunisian authorities struggled to restore order Sunday, arresting the top presidential security chief and trying to stop gunfights that erupted across the capital. One clash broke out near Tunisia’s main opposition party building, another by the…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:49:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>blunt knows...</strong></p><blockquote><p>...it's blood simple</p></blockquote><p>aaah! as they say on PhageBook<br />Nothing is more certain <br />than Death <em>and</em> Texas...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:46:25 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Oh, and thank you Ian for the Marie and the Atom. Has been a while.</q></p><p>Ditto.  And this.  Not saying anything, just that it's probably about time for some cake.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUPAsCvDXI&amp;feature=&amp;p=931AD8FC58881F6A&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUPAsCvDXI&amp;feature=&amp;p=931AD8FC58881F6A&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:01:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Plus it gives hope that our own cells will retain these memories as we can't guarantee the great Entertainment Corporations will be able to!<br />Personally I don't think tape and vinyl are forever either &ndash; both are susceptible to heat, and tapes can be erased by powerful electromagnetic fields...</q></p><p>I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:32:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>We are all too often a slave to freedom and ignorant of our strength.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3fsj-aGWw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3fsj-aGWw</a></p><p>Oh, and thank you Ian for the Marie and the Atom. Has been a while.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:17:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>What, so we're done with our musical interleukin?</q></p><p>Glad someone picked that up.  My obtuseness often falls on deft ears ;-)  He says, humbly.</p><p>Speaking of cytokines, it's blood simple.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj6GmU4DX6g&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj6GmU4DX6g&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:55:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Good vibrations and costimulations...</strong></p><blockquote><p>What, so we're done with our musical <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleukin" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interleukin?</a></p></blockquote><p>No, it's great that these proteinager signalling molecules are vibrating and costimulating benignly and good to cytokines (er &ndash; sight those music movies) especially as my immunity to the '80s is now at its strongest ;- )</p><p>Plus…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:38:59 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.</q></p><p>We are all too often a slave to freedom and ignorant of our strength.</p><p>Metaphorically speaking.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>War is peace.</q></p><p>And the way things are going, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>What happened to World Peace?</q></p><p>War is peace.</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Oh, <em>peace!</em>    </peoples_front_of_judea>
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				<title>James Francis</title>
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						What happened to World Peace?
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						The brand new Miss America has <a href="http://tv.gawker.com/5734743/newly-crowned-2010-miss-america-is-not-a-fan-of-wikileaks" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">gets all cogent on y'all</a> about Wikileaks.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:55:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>sally jones</title>
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						<p>“For all the stuff they accuse her [Palin] of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we’re hearing right now.”</p><p>I think a bullet in the head ought to fix him  <br />(bad joke).</p>
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				<title>sally jones</title>
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						Extraordinary dance, especially in fast motion. I want to go to there &ndash; and get shoes like that.
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				<title>Jacqui Dunn</title>
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						<p><q>NZDF dismantles 'Kindom Come' set</q></p><p>The Herald headlines a new take on the Lord's Prayer. All to do with the rellies.</p>
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						<p><q>Hunter S. Thompson -</q></p><p>What, so we're done with our musical interleukin?</p><p>Just as well, it was bordering on self-indulgent.  Just 'bordering' mind...</p><p>ETA:  Gonzo Journalism.  He did it his way.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdq39OYoIWk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdq39OYoIWk</a></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Journalists wanted to turn campaigns into larger narratives, and there was no easier narrative than covering politics as though it were a sport.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hunter S. Thompson</a> &ndash; this is another fine mess you got us into... and that's without even mentioning the guns of Aspen...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Or the "support" act who blew them off the stage:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLTtOXIhrow" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLTtOXIhrow</a></p>
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						<p><q>Only 400 pressed and long gone I think.</q></p><p>I suspect so.  Sure stands the test of time. IMhO.</p><p>Oh go on then...</p><p>This took me here.  Heaven knows why.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5x1F9ohRa4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5x1F9ohRa4</a></p><p>Embedding disabled.  Should play JAMC <em>Happy When It Rains</em>.</p>
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						<p><q>Can you still get this? I want one.</q></p><p>It was on the magnificent 2 x 12"  (vinyl only). Only 400 pressed and long gone I think.</p>
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						<p>If we are going that way....</p><p>I loved this at the time and love it more now: perfect pop from Nige, Dave and Trevor</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-c-1onVkUI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-c-1onVkUI</a></p><p><q>may not make as much sense on underpowered computer speakers</q></p><p>It does....</p>
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						<p>Taking it back to whence we all came.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9Ky5Azg9o" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e9Ky5Azg9o</a></p><p>And <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeKuFvIofQY&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>, without video, but one of my all time favs.</p><p>That's me done.  Probably.  ;-)</p><p>ETA:  Changed the link to <em><a href="http://www.discogs.com/Car-Crash-Set-Join-The-Car-Crash-Set/release/1478201" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fall from Grace</a></em> to 2008 Remastered version, I would say, from the jump in sound quality.  Can you still get this?…</p>
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						<p>Or bringing it *home*, one of my fave local driving soundtracks (may not make as much sense on underpowered computer speakers):</p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLaWZKfPd7g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLaWZKfPd7g</a></p>
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						<p>And then take it right back home:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAagkcFHzOs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAagkcFHzOs</a></p>
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						<p>But a little black secret technology also led in this direction:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8u7MNG-ug8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8u7MNG-ug8</a></p>
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						<p>Might as well go all the way (the city may have changed but the sentiment is the same):</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK_Nya6FRUA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK_Nya6FRUA</a><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuA-Zun4rk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuA-Zun4rk</a></p><p>The downside to all this is that the likes of Deep Forest built a whole career from all these guys</p>
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						<p>Then we go here, right?</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ADoBW0c-18" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ADoBW0c-18</a></p>
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						<p>Ok, if that's the way it's going:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUTLohyVfjY&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUTLohyVfjY&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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						<p>See your screaming la de das, and raise you another ZTT artist.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtIN9dWHsw&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtIN9dWHsw&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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						<p>And since we are a-videoing:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfneyRPBQKM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfneyRPBQKM</a></p><p>From Te Atatu's finest sons &ndash; quite grand in its understatement</p>
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						<p>From the 1980s but brand new, re-polished just this week:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izRnEngtRLE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izRnEngtRLE</a></p>
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						<p>Oh, the eighties.  I miss them.  (OK, not the gelled mullets and bubble skirts, but...)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFK0-lcjGU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFK0-lcjGU</a></p><p>And where would we be without Max?</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEPq0FvFm3g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEPq0FvFm3g</a></p>
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						<p>That's just <em>Propaganda</em>.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLhYxLE8uCA&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLhYxLE8uCA&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player</a></p><p>(Hope that works. On iPhone)</p>
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						<p>The Derrida defense.  <em>Dada da, dum dum, dada da, dum dum</em> ...</p><p>Oh, sorry, that's Hugo Ball, not Murray.</p>
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						<p><q>    What I’d like to know is who thinks calling someone a Muslim portrays more hatred of the individual than calling them a torturer &amp; war criminal?</p><p>Calling someone a Muslim with the intention of it being a slur is like when bigots try to insult someone by calling them a homo…</q></p>
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						<p><q>What I’d like to know is who thinks calling someone a Muslim portrays more hatred of the individual than calling them a torturer &amp; war criminal?</q></p><p>Calling someone a Muslim with the intention of it being a slur is like when bigots try to insult someone by calling them a homo…</p>
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						<p>Best line I have seen so far on the Tea Baggers/Sara Palin feelings</p><p>" Palin &amp; crew are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist. Maybe they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal w/ that."</p>
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						<p><q>But if you'd like to try somethingelse more credible &ndash; socialist vs. torturer &amp; war criminal &ndash; is also relevent.</q></p><p>Why is that any different to the last comparison? We still have a baseless bit of ignorant name calling using a word that is only a slur if your narrow world…</p>
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						<p><q>Angus, you appear to have found a level of superb ideological balance where neither those alleging “war criminal” nor those alleging “secret Muslim” have more credibility than the other.</q></p><p>I am not asking you to compare their credibility, Sam. I agree with you, claims of torture are more credible than…</p>
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						<p><q>$1</q></p><p>That would be sad if it wasn't so funny.</p>
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						<p><q>WashTimes</q></p><p>Surprised to see it still going &ndash; The Rev. Sun announced he was closing it some time back.</p><p><strong>update</strong>: I see it <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times#Recent_changes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">was sold for a token $1 which given its circulation figures</a> seems about right.</p>
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						<p>WashTimes doubles down on the <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/12/blood-libel-against-palin-limbaugh/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">blood libel</a> business:</p><p><br /><q>This is simply the latest round of an ongoing pogrom against conservative thinkers.</q></p>
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						<p><q>Wow! Like water-boarding for chocolate. I’ve seen some suppositions in my time, but this is the whole suppository.</q></p><p>So awesome! :-D</p>
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						<p>The implications of the measurably <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2011/01/02/the_incredible_shrinking_sound_bite/?page=full" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">shrinking sound bite</a> in (US) political coverage over the years.</p><p><q>But have these changes been a bad thing? There are plenty of reasons to distrust sound bites and the kind of journalism that produces them. First, and most obviously, we miss out on the variety…</q></p>
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						<p>Angus, you appear to have found a level of superb ideological balance where neither those alleging “war criminal” nor those alleging “secret Muslim” have more credibility than the other. </p><p>Unfortunately that level is at about 90 degrees to accepted reality, which explains the number of people looking at your arguments…</p>
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						<p><q>...still trying.</q><br />Wow!  Like water-boarding for chocolate.  I’ve seen some suppositions in my time, but this is the whole suppository.</p>
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						<p><q>Hilarious &ndash; he's still trying</q></p><p>Yes, I awake to this and I'm a little gob-smacked I have to admit. </p><p>I'm sticking with my fast hardening earlier notion that Angus may have missed most of the last decade or spent it in a cave with a volume of The Thoughts of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:59:32 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/14/lawlessness/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Glenn Greenwald writes at Salon today:</a></p><p><q>I've heard a lot of twisted reasoning employed to defend the full-scale immunity which Obama has vested in Bush officials for their chronic lawbreaking.  But I doubt even Robert Gibbs would be willing to stand up in public and call it "courageous."  Obama's decision…</q></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Katha Pollitt considers the political landscape around gun control in the wake of the Arizona shooting.</q></p><p>And according to <a href="http://www.urbanarchipelago.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Urban Archipelago</a>, the Dems should never have bothered with 'NASCAR dads' in the first place, and concentrate on the cities instead.</p>
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						<p>US Secret service study sheds light on the <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/secret-service-assassin-study/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">motivations of assassins</a>.</p><p><q>The study of U.S. assassinations over the last 60 years debunks some key myths about the miscreants behind the attacks. The Exceptional Case Study Project, completed in 1999, covers all 83 people who killed or attempted to kill a…</q></p>
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				<title>Greville Whittle</title>
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						<p><q>In Arizona, Glocks have been flying off the shelves since the shootings.</q></p><p>American gun culture scares the living shit out of me. I recall seeing an american 'Neighbours at War' style show and being shocked that people were shooting at each other. The general tone of the comentary was "It's…</p>
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						<p>Katha Pollitt considers <a href="http://www.thenation.com/article/157716/jared-loughners-glock-weapon-mass-destruction" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the political landscape</a> around gun control in the wake of the Arizona shooting.</p><p><q>Democrats abandoned gun control years ago, when they decided it lost Gore crucial votes in 2000 and they pivoted to go after the white male vote. Even progressives dropped the issue as hopeless, part…</q></p>
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				<title>Greville Whittle</title>
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						<p><q>I'm waiting for "It might have been an evil robot that looked just like GWB, but was programmed by the Grey reptile aliens from Zeta Reticuli acting in concert with the Bilderbergers."</p><p>Well, indeed it might be.</q></p><p>I blame the Flying Spaghetti Monster for everything. Obama is a secret Pastafarian.</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p>That they admit water boarding is too a verifiable fact. </p><p>Not lying so much might help your case.</p><p>As to the, erm, substance of your solipsism, none of what you say is relevant. It's not just politicians admitting waterboarding, there are the interrogating agencies for starters.  I'm also pretty sure…</p>
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						<p><q>Well, indeed it <em>might</em> be.</q></p><p>unless you can *prove* otherwise</p>
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						Isn't it?  The gift that keeps on giving.  I particularly love the repetition of <q>verified fact</q> followed by wild speculation.  I'm waiting for "It might have been an evil robot that looked just like GWB, but was programmed by the Grey reptile aliens from Zeta Reticuli acting in concert with…
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>I’m not an official type with the power to say my conclusions are official, but I can construct a syllogism starting from them there available facts.</p><p>I suspect you can too.</q></p><p>I could, but one of those isn't a verified fact.</p><p><q>They admit waterboarding people Angus.</q></p><p>Politicians lie, or tell…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>And you know this how, Angus?</q></p><p>Because American politicians like embarassing the opposition, they have inquiries of everything from <em>were you or have you ever been a member of the...</em> to what is the meaning of <em>is</em>.   </p><p>Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had the opportunity to get Congress making official…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Damn. Well, that completely dashed the warms glow I got from last night’s assignation with Ms. Boganette – and Mr. Boganette, a Rageaholic and several other delightful people.  The only way I’m dealing with this shit is having enough non-rectum people around like them, you, & the PAS Massive to keep…
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Seems farfetched. I don't believe he would do such a thing.</p><p>So much more likely that his team looked for the evidence and found insufficient proof.</q></p><p>And you know this how, Angus?</p><p>Or is this just a wild guess which you can't support. Given that he seems to have come…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bush was never at risk of prosecution</p></blockquote><p>Except in <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/05/georgebush.usa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">southern Vermont</a>. It was a stunt, ok, but go the home state! People tend to forget about American socialism (fair enough- it's hardly defined recent world history:)). And until the tax breaks for billionaires <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5OtB298fHY&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'filibuster'</a> the media has tended to overlook Vermont…</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q>Where are the verifiable facts?</q></p><p>They admit waterboarding people Angus.  So there's one.</p><p><br />The war crime trials after WWII convicted people who waterboarded prisoners to gain information.  So there's another.</p><p><br />I'm not an official type with the power to say my conclusions are official, but I can construct a syllogism…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>See Starr report, Nixon etc.</q></p><p>The Starr report was an independent inquiry. Nixon was investigated by a Senate Committee.  Evidence was produced and challenged to be verified or rejected.</p><p>The "War Crimes" have if GWB been 'investigated" by some people on the internet.  </p><p>Where is the independent inquiry?  Where is…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						Bush was never at risk of prosecution for the same reason that Reagan escaped any censure for Iran-Contra. As do-nothing figureheads, nothing that important ever crossed their desks. Palin's enablers are pursuing the same model.
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>Obama decided that no good would come of <em>[punishing war criminals]</em> and decided to move on.</q></p><p>Seems farfetched.  I don't believe he would do such a thing.</p><p>So much more likely that his team looked for the evidence and found insufficient proof.  </p><p><q>It caused a great deal of dissent and…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Eric Holder (and the Democrat run US Senate oversight comittees) have had unfettered access to all actual proof that exists. There has been no court hearing.</q></p><p>This is from the "political issues play no part in decision to prosecute US Presidents" school of thought. See Starr report, Nixon etc.</p>
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						<p><q>That’s what I meant by “waiting for the South to get with the programme”, because enfranchisement was just the biggest issue of a multitude of segregationist matters that were addressed in that period in the South but which hadn’t been a consideration in the North for quite some time.</q></p><p>In…</p>
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						It  is a shame there hasn't been a <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/18/john-mccain/history-supports-mccains-stance-on-waterboarding/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">court</a> hearing.
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						<p><q>Eric Holder (and the Democrat run US Senate oversight comittees) have had unfettered access to all actual proof that exists. There has been no court hearing.</q></p><p>^^ Sacha</p><p>Perhaps you missed the fairly extensive discussions just after Obama was elected where the possibility that Bush might be prosecuted was the…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>For one there is objective, accepted fact (torturing PoW’s is a war crime, and there was torture of PoW’s in Iraq at the hands of US military and CIA personnel), and some degree of evidence that would support at least an initial court hearing.</q></p><p>Eric Holder (and the Democrat run…</p>
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						<p><q>Two unsubstantiable claims side by side.</p><p></q></p><p>Only if you've been living under a rock for the past 8 years.....</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmMyBinljM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmMyBinljM</a><br /><q>Out there somewhere is someone who would love to kill Governor Palin. God forbid they do it.</q><br />Deja vu all over again.</p>
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						<p><q> ‘awe-inspiring in a bad way’,</q><br />My new goal in life. ;-)</p>
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						<p><q>Exqueeze me?</q></p><p>Where 'glorious' may also mean 'awe-inspiring, in a bad way'.</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p>"For the other there is “His father’s a Muslim, his middle name is ‘Hussein’, ergo, he’s a Muslim.”"</p><p>That's not fair!  He's also a bit too swarthy to be a real American. </p><p>And you know who else isn't a real murkin?  Muslims, that's who.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Two unsubstantiable claims side by side.</p><p>The US President is:<br />&ndash; a practicing Muslim.<br />&ndash; a murderer, a torturer, a war criminal. </q></p><p>Do you deny that torture is a war crime?<br />Do you deny that the CIA and military intelligence, agencies of the US Executive, used torture in Iraq?<br />Do…</p>
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						<p><q>bringing logic to a knife fight.</q></p><p>Teeworthy</p>
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						<p><q>... glorious fuckedupitude of the whole country. </q><br />Exqueeze me? Ahem. Just sayin'.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>You really don't get irony, do you, Angus?</q></p><p>Two unsubstantiable claims side by side.  </p><p>The US President is:<br />&ndash; a practicing Muslim. <br />&ndash; a murderer, a torturer, a war criminal.  </p><p>Supposedly we now have hate filled rhetoric in place of the civilised debate of just a few years ago.</p><p>I…</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p>I'll see your Trent Humphries chappie and raise you an Erick son of Erick:</p><p><q>Out there somewhere is someone who would love to kill Governor Palin. God forbid they do it. But you and I both know there is some crazy MSNBC watcher and Media Matters reader who even now…</q></p>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>reminds me a lot of the Wiggles</p></blockquote><p>...previously known as <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2777/?p=196856#post196856" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Cockroaches</a>, neatly tying today's threads together.</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q> then she is to blame for Saturday’s shootings because she “had no security whatsoever”</q></p><p>What is this I don't even</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, I think we have <a href="http://www.americablog.com/2011/01/tuscon-tea-party-co-founder-thinks.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a new champ in the victimhood stakes</a>:</p><p><q>Tuscon Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries called Giffords’ previous concerns about violent rhetoric “political gamesmenship,” claiming that if Giffords was so concerned, then she is to blame for Saturday’s shootings because she “had no security whatsoever”:</p><p>“It’s political…</q></p>
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						<p>Interesting post at Open Left – <a href="http://www.openleft.com/diary/21377/stochastic-terrorisma-powerful-highly-accurate-new-meme" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stochastic Terrorism</a></p><p><q>The person who actually plants the bomb or assassinates the public official is not the stochastic terrorist, they are the “missile” set in motion by the stochastic terrorist. The stochastic terrorist is the person who uses mass media as their means of…</q></p>
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				<title>Ray Gilbert</title>
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						<p><q>I'd not seen it for 25 odd years and I'm buzzing off it.</q></p><p>Ah memories &ndash; nothing like good old 1980s police brutality. I got a bit of it myself.</p><p>On a lighter note the 80's dancing in bright colored shirts thing reminds me a lot of the Wiggles</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>The south definitely sucked the most, no question. But the north hadn't entirely sorted itself out, either.</q></p><p>And of course the huge influx of black folks from the south to the north and to the aircraft factories of California (which didn't ratify the 15th Amendment until 1962!) in the 1940s…</p>
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						<p><q><br />The Obama claim however is based on….</p><p>…catering to the tastes of the credulous who invariably will believe the worst of political opposites.</q></p><p>You really don't get irony, do you, Angus?</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>The Obama claim however is based on....</q></p><p>...catering to the tastes of the credulous who invariably will believe the worst of political opposites.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>which hadn’t been a consideration in the North for quite some time</p></blockquote><p>I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'quite some time': in many northern states miscegenation laws were still in effect until the mid-1950s, for example. Actually, I see someone has handily broken down the stats <a href="http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/resources/lessonplans/hs_es_jim_crow_laws.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>because enfranchisement was just the biggest issue of a multitude of segregationist matters that were addressed in that period in the South but which hadn’t been a consideration in the North for quite some time.</q></p><p>Um, I do have to go out now but I'm going to hit you with…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Again, Matthew, I've read Robert Caro's <em>Master of the Senate</em> and am aware there were no group hugs and singing of Kum-bay-a in Congress during the passage of the Civil Rights Act.  (I also know it was so heavily compromised that enforcement was difficult, if not actually impossible.)</p><p>But, again,…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>It wasn’t just voting, though. Riding on any bus you wanted, going to any hospital you wanted, enrolling in any school you wanted, even using any public water fountain you wanted. Those were not options for many Southern blacks.</p><p>The economic and police-relationship issues facing blacks across the entire US…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>That list is fairly wide ranging and includes events that arguably have parallel roots, albeit still planted in race issues.</p></blockquote><p>True, but that's the point: voting isn't everything. The north just 'waiting for the south to get with the programme' with enfranchisement doesn't really take into account the glorious fuckedupitude…</p>
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						Guys, guys. You're bringing logic to a knife fight. Or something...
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Or George W Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL, circa 2004.</q></p><p>Circa now, too. And unlike claims that Obama's a closet Muslim, there's actually evidence to support assertions that Bush the Second did, indeed, commit war crimes. Like government officials torturing prisoners-of-war under a policy that originated from the White House.…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The Obama claim however is based on….</q></p><p>The charmingly naive idea that the “lamestream” media had such a pash on for Obambi they <em>all</em> suppressed the irrefutable fact that he spent seven years at  Hogwart’s School of America-Hating &amp; Islamofascism.  Guess Fox News got hit with a serious Polyjuice potion-based confounding…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q> that by most standards, he was.</q></p><p>Snap, Sacha</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Or George W Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL, circa 2004.</q></p><p>Not exactly a parallel though is it Angus? The Bush claims were centred around a fairly hefty war with god knows how many dead,  engineered by deceit and a failure to observe the finer points of international law.</p><p>The Obama…</p>
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						<p><q>Or George W Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL, circa 2004.</q></p><p>The difference is that by most standards, he was.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>I know this isn't quite germane to your point, but I don't think that's entirely true either.</q></p><p>That list is fairly wide ranging and includes events that arguably have parallel roots, albeit still planted in race issues. The Watts Riots, for example, were not about enfranchisement but economic dis-empowerment and…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>But here’s a parting thought, after watching Obama’s speech a couple more times:</p><p>I often wonder if the rage of the Tea Party, “birther” loons and the Pa-Lim-Beck Axis of Stupid is (to paraphrase Oscar Wilde) “the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in a glass.”  The delicious irony…</p>
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						<p><q>I think you'll find that's Grant Johnston, Key's Chief Policy Advisor.</q></p><p>Just noticed <a href="http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2010/09/nationals-panic-pants-spin-doctors.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bryce's excellent article</a> saying that too. Sorry.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>But you'd really have to stretch a loooong way to equate it to the "Barack HUSSEIN Obama's a SECRET MUSLIM" blah-blah.</q></p><p>Or George W Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL, circa 2004.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>But you’d really have to stretch a loooong way to equate it to the “Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s a SECRET MUSLIM” blah-blah that was all the way in your face. And bluntly, it would have been nice if McCain and Palin had been a little more Nixonian (who, for all his…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>However, there was no Faux News to stir things up. No national broadcasting network would’ve dared allow the talent to blithely suggest that targeted violence against specific individuals was acceptable as a way of resolving political disagreements.</q></p><p>Also, let’s compare and contrast the 1960 Presidential race JFK won by a…</p>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<p><q>The US has an awful history of political violence &ndash; I read last year an incredible 1400 page history of NYC up to 1898 (the union of the boroughs) which simply turned my mind in places with the blood ....</q><br />Oooh, <em>Gotham</em>! That's a fantastic read. And, yeah: some of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah yeah, I get it – Murdoch Anti-Christ Superstar. Meanwhile, can I start quoting the most stupid and vile comments on PAS and start attributing them to Russell?</q></p><p>Still didn't see that, but let's please drop it.</p>
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						<p><q> in the North it just wasn’t an issue by the 60s</q></p><p>I know this isn't quite germane to your point, but I don't think that's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_race_riots#Civil_Rights_and_Black_Power_Movement.27s_Period:_1955_-_1977" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">entirely true</a> either.</p>
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						<p><q>At home he’s the husband of the Listener’s renovator-in-chief, Joanne Black.</q></p><p>I think you'll find that's Grant Johnston, Key's Chief Policy Advisor.</p>
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						<p><q>Yeah yeah, I get it – Murdoch Anti-Christ Superstar.</q></p><p>With the NYP you get what was given to you by Rupert. In that city Murdoch was long infamous for taking a respected tabloid and pushing firmly downwards. That direction, once again, infamously, was not done by some editor down the…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>It was a very long time ago though. As were the 1950s/60s and Mississippi &amp; Alabama. And as central as some of those people were in those states, they had no national platform that espoused hate in the way that Fox and many of its talking heads do. </q></p><p>This, I think,…</p>
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						<p><q>Kevin Taylor = Captain Panic Pants, John Key’s chief PR flack.</q></p><p><a href="http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2010/09/nationals-panic-pants-spin-doctors.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">If anyone's wondering where the nickname originated from...</a></p>
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						<q>As someone said up-thread, I think a lot of this is flailing at uncertainty. The USA is about to become a very big country that used to be the sole superpower. The base is in decline and the country is still working out why it's not as the mythology tells…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Eh? I can’t see trolling or inappropriate attribution to me, or divine any offence in Simon’s comment. Please don’t get riled on my account.</q></p><p>Fair enough – I meant that the linked story was <em>NOT</em> written by Murdoch, but appeared in a tabloid not exactly known for taste and understatement…</p>
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						<p><q>No he doesn't, SImon, Two vile numpites in the meth-head New York tabloid his company owns did, You've just pulled the most frak-witted trollism here on PAS and attributed it to Russell. Stop.</q></p><p>What Russell said!? </p><p>And given the acceptable low points that the Murdoch empire sinks to worldwide and…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Dodgy the clown. Grimly appropriate, methinks.
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						Key is instead at a photo op at Camp Quality (for cancer kids) dressed as Dodgy the clown.  Bizarre.
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						<p>Kevin Taylor = Captain Panic Pants, John Key’s chief PR flack.</p><p>It simply beggars belief that our PM is so concerned with not being associated with bad news that he can’t even mumble a few words of condolence or support. When this disaster happened, government ministers fell over themselves to…</p>
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						Who's Kevin Taylor when he's at home?
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						<p>Interesting to see prime minister Kevin Taylor’s spokesman John Key refusing to front the media over the decision to seal the Pike River mine. If anyone had any doubts John Key is a lazy, polls driven coward this must surely remove them once and for all. </p><p>The disgraceful cynicism of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>Rupert Murdoch sinks a little further and blames it all on some poor girl:</em></p><p>No he doesn’t, SImon, Two vile numpites in the meth-head New York tabloid his company owns did, You’ve just pulled the most frak-witted trollism here on PAS and attributed it to Russell. Stop.</q></p><p>Eh? I can’t…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The winger talking point on Obama’s speech (video here) is shaping up as “it was a cynical campaign rally."</q></p><p>Meh… and I’m sure these are the same people who would have been outraged and disgusted (and with some justification) when the nut-roots were equally cynical about President Bush at Ground…</p>
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						<p><q>I'd not seen it for 25 odd years and I'm buzzing off it.</q></p><p>Ditto.  Still have the Broadcast EP, and this has been a long term favourite.  Saw them on a 'Beach Tour' in 1982-3 (??) where they did under-age gigs in small community halls.  Nearly 30 years ago!</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q> There's a tendency to see things that are here and now as the most significant ever.</q></p><p>I'm not thinking that at all &ndash; hence my references to the other bad eras. The US has an awful history of political violence &ndash; I read last year an incredible 1400 page history…</p>
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						<p><q>The likes of Beck, Malkin and Limbaugh &ndash; hateful vicious people &ndash; are very close to the political centre-right. There was no such national equivalent in the 1960s.</q></p><p>The only thing they're missing now is a good supply of large telescreens. They've got everything else in place &ndash; unfortunately.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>And you miss the point that most of the bombings and such in the 196os were fringe, unless you equate the Weathermen with the likes of the ugly Senator King of NYC. The central political discourse was largely polite even when heated. That is increasingly often not the case now.</q>…
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						<p><q>The events of the 1950s and 1960s in various parts of America counter that. </q></p><p>No they don't, simply because I'm not old enough to remember those events first hand so the statement stands.</p><p>The ugliness of the 50s and 60s was a very, very long time ago and had largely…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Where do I start calling bullshit on that?</q></p><p>The original statement was: "There is an ugliness near the centre of the US political discourse (if it can now be called that) which I’ve never seen before – Nixon’s rantings, which were not intentionally public, were nothing next to the words…</p>
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						<p><q>…Obama’s speech (video <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41042051#41042051" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>) … </q></p><p>Seems trite to point out, but I thought it was a pretty darn good speech, overall. (Esp from about 24 min on.) He managed to emphasize that political rhetoric did not cause this to occur, while making points about certain political rhetoric. In doing so…</p>
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						<p>oh that's great &ndash; where are the people dressed as bees or clowns </p><p>(speaking of which anyone remember that great McPhail&amp;Gadsby faux ad for "the Red Squad Sings" with their hit rendition of "Send in the Clowns")</p>
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						<p>Rupert Murdoch sinks a little further and <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/gal_put_jared_on_path_to_madness_L0Qt8CkTMW78hvzF2aGbUN?CMP=OTC-rss&amp;FEEDNAME=" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">blames it all on some poor girl</a>:</p><p><q>Her kiss-off sent heartbroken Jared Lee Loughner into a sick downward spiral of drugs, depression and dark thoughts that dead-ended in mass murder last week.</p><p>Kelsey Hawkes, the first and only love of Loughner's young life, yesterday…</q></p>
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						<p>Fresh from the archives (and long thought lost &ndash; thanks to Rob Mayes who is working on recovering a bunch of old vids), this may the correct thread to post this in just to illustrate that political violence is not unknown in NZ.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dDM8X_wfec" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dDM8X_wfec</a></p><p>I'd not seen it for 25…</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t see how saying so denigrates women in general at all. There are very few options for women to succeed in politics. On the political right, there is just the one. </q></p><p>No, Sally, it’s just been pretty denegrating towards a lot of National Party women – MPs, officeholders and…</p>
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						<p>Well, Obama handled that better than anyone I can think of would have.</p><p>As we seem to be heading down grief avenue, here's <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/hunt-for-missing-flood-victims-goes-online-20110113-19par.html?from=smh_sb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a link</a> to a page dedicated to those missing in the Queensland flood.  Facebook and social media does it's bit again.</p><p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/QueenslandPolice" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Queensland Police</a> on FB.<br /><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/QPSmedia" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">On Twitter</a>.</p>
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						<p>Going back to the "you lie!" commemorative firearm: linking an offensive remark in Congress with a firearm at a time when a member of congress has just been shot seems like a horrifying example of escalation to me.</p><p>Can you imagine the same company bringing out a mark II in…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The winger talking point on Obama's speech (video <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41042051#41042051" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>) is shaping up as "it was a cynical campaign rally."</p><p>On one level, this response is appalling if not unexpected. On another, it does recognise a reality: Obama's stature has been restored and enhanced by that speech. Sure, he has great…</p>
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						<p><q>Alternatively, I'm just all touch-feely because I'm watching the Obama speech and crying a little bit.</q></p><p>It was a fine, hopefully, healing moment and perhaps reminded more than a few why they voted for this particular guy over the other option.</p><p>I did, however, have the odd gagging 'As the…</p>
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						<p>Okay, didn't read Russell's sensible suggestion. It's always fatal to leave the computer mid-post. </p><p>Forthwith (?) no more fury from this cherub face.</p>
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						<p><q>John Campbell's biography of Thatcher &ndash; seriously and with an open mind &mdash; and tell me if you really think she was just a cock-pleasing she-male with penis envy.</q></p><p>Okay Craig. I will do this. But I will also say that I meant to make clear my respect for Thatcher-the-pioneer.…</p>
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						Puts my transgression in perspective. Guess I better watch that speech, although shedding tears across two continents in one day seems a lot to ask.  Such is our lot.
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						<p>It strikes me that this thread has been notable for furious dust-ups that seem unnecessary. Perhaps we might all cut each other some slack.</p><p>Alternatively, I'm just all touch-feely because I'm watching the Obama speech and crying a little bit.</p>
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						<p><q>as obnoxious as Kiwibogian swill about left-wing female politicians being man-haters -</q><br /> Craig, you are quite right. I am obnoxious. However, I must make it clear that not for a minute am I condemning all female politicians. One of the pillars of left-wing politics and principle is equality of the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Sally:</p><p>I'm going to make this request seriously and in good faith.  Please read John Campbell's biography of Thatcher &ndash; seriously and with an open mind &mdash; and tell me if you really think she was just a cock-pleasing she-male with penis envy.</p>
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						<p><q>I would say America can go get screwed</q></p><p>Does this mean I actually said it?  Ok, guess it does.  Sorry for that.  And I didn't mean the whole 307 million people, some of whom I also know, love, and am related to, just those messing with my head on this…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Well, I thought more that patronising women politicians as cock-pleasers (if they're on the right) is as obnoxious as Kiwibogian swill about left-wing female politicians being man-haters &ndash; probably dykes, come to that.
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						<p><q>Wow, it's been a while since I've been simultaneously offended on so many levels. Snarky kudos to you</q></p><p>Not saying all men or all women. Thought that went without saying here. <br />Just trying to say something.<br />Don't like diamond rings, big or small.</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p>@sacha</p><p><q>"When you hunt a moose, blood libel to pour out of it," she told reporters.</q></p><p>As long as it doesn't get all over my Death Panel.</p>
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						<p><q>Text of Obama's Arizona speech.</q></p><p>Plus a bit of <a href="http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2581/ermm.png" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">somewhat unfortunate</a> advertising...</p><p>The speech itself is excellent. Sincerely hope its message is heard and acted upon.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Uh, yeah. 'Men want war, guns and money' is just as gross as 'women want a big diamond ring and long walks on the beach'. *People* of any gender want a wide variety of things.
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						<p><q>Text of Obama's Arizona speech.</q></p><p>I listened to it, and damn I had a few tears honestly jerked.  Another reminder why it's nice to have an adult in the Oval Office, and not have an attention-seeking flake squatting at 1 Observatory Circle.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>America can go get screwed</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, well. There are a few of us with personal connections there, just as you have personal connections in Queensland, so 'fuck them, because *this* is what's really important' is... a problematic outlook. At least for me.</p><p>(Please do talk about Queensland, though!)</p>
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						<p><q>SP is a classic right-wing woman politician going hard out to prove she has a dick. Thatcher did exactly the same thing, though she was up against it, being a pioneer.<br />Not so SP.<br />These women tell men what they want to hear, dress as they know men prefer and…</q></p>
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						Text of <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028366-503544.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Obama's Arizona speech</a>.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Does that remind you of a certain big-earringed ex-public servant closer to home? She claimed persecution on the basis of her dress sense, gender and what-have-you, to draw attention away from the fact she’s a nouveau riche hypocrite.</q></p><p>If you're talking about Christine Rankin, she got her day in court…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I don't despise Sarah Palin because she's a woman.</p><p>I despise her because she's incompetent.</p><p>Unqualified.</p><p>Can't give a straight answer to a straight question.</p><p>Lies. A lot.</q></p><p>Does that remind you of a certain big-earringed ex-public servant closer to home? She claimed persecution on the basis of her dress…</p>
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						<p>I'm getting to the stage where I really need a thread about the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10699386" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Queensland floods</a> to counter all this Palindor.  </p><p>The human tragedy and impact for people we know and love, are related to (cousins and aunties in my case), and who recently gave us, and continue to give, quite a…</p>
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						<p><q>She is, if you'll excuse me, sex on a stick. </q></p><p>No; we won't excuse you, Paul. </p><p>I haven't been keeping up with the thread since this, but PH on SP is the pits! Sure, I haven't always been PH's most fervent fan &ndash; but neither have I been an ardent…</p>
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>There are some who would have us believe that the only reason Sarah Palin is being attacked now is because she is a woman.</q></p><p>Been there, done that, got all the merchandise.  During the election, I would have saved a lot of time if I'd just made up flash cards.…</p>
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						<p><q>Really, I'm way too young to be this depressed about humanity.</q></p><p>There are <a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2011/01/09/palin-and-clinton-obsessives-suddenly-discover-that-violent-discourse-is-a-bad-thing/#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">some</a> who would have us believe that the only reason Sarah Palin is being attacked now is because she is a woman.</p>
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						<p>This will be my last post on this particular discussion.</p><p><q>If we refer to the articles you cited earlier</q></p><p>I am going to link again to both of those articles, so that they can be read in full by those who are interested:</p><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/09/giffords-shooting-political-violence-polarised" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> and <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/giffords-shooting-palin-guns-gender" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p><p>The Jessica Valenti article…</p>
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						<p><q>That was a good one, but the one with the rape-analogy (short version: the left = rapist; the right = victim) is right out there as well. Possibly by a different Anonymous – it’s so hard to tell them apart.</q></p><p>The rape analogy is brought up almost without thinking, by…</p>
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						<p>Andy Borowitz seems to have found a <a href="http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/01/12/fox-news-reports-no-link-between-matches-gasoline-and-fire/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">funnier take</a> than Jon Stewart:</p><p><q>The Fox News Channel today attempted to bust what it called a “mainstream media myth” by reporting that there was no link between matches, gasoline and fire.</p><p>“Gasoline and matches don’t start fires,” said Fox host Glenn Beck.…</q></p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>The “I’m not saying the Left are exactly like Hitler, but …” comment is really priceless</q></p><p>That was a good one, but the one with the rape-analogy (short version: the left = rapist; the right = victim)  is right out there as well. Possibly by a different Anonymous – it’s…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>It is not discernably different than 5 years ago.</q><br />But it's very different from 20 years ago, when Americans seemed to precede an opinion with the disclaimer "I may not agree with your liberal commie pinko viewpoint, but I'll defend to the death your right to express it". That sort…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:14:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Aaargh, that linked post hurt my brain. Then the comments made it hurt even more. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Also, my name (and yours) is apparently hypocrisy. I consider myself duly told off by Anonymous.</q></p><p>The “I’m not saying the Left are <em>exactly</em> like Hitler,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:08:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>More generally (I've been following the thread but trying not to engage with it; this thesis must be finished), the rhetoric we're seeing here, with each side blaming the other and all of them putting forward either the claim that "This is what happens when you talk this way" or…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:54:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q> For example, this post over at Peter Cresswell's blog argues that the Left have it (angry, hate-filled rhetoric) coming because the Left position is simply immoral.</q></p><p>Aaargh, that linked post hurt my brain. Then the comments made it hurt even more. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:48:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						We call it public transport
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:34:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>While I don't negotiate with terrorists</q></p><p>Are you often asked to, up there in Auckland?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:31:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>  <em>Palin claims that acts of monstreous criminality begin and end with the individual and have nothing to do with the state.</em></p><p>she's making the exact opposite mistake that some of her critics are making.</q></p><p>That's because it's a good representation of their respective ideologies &ndash; collectivist vs individualist. Maggie Thatcher's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:29:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Key is technically Jewish (like my kids)as Jewishness is passed down matrilinearly –  that makes him NZ’s third Jewish PM (which I think is kind of neat and wonderfully multicultural)
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:23:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>HORansome</title>
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						I'm going to pull my head from out of my thesis for a moment and say that I'm really thankful that, in the last election, no one made any mileage out of the fact that both John Key's mother is Jewish and that John Key was part of the international…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:18:50 +1300</pubDate>
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