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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Our suspicion, as a tribe, was that it was Nga Puhi or Ngati Porou…we really didnt think it was the latter, because we descend from them.</q></p><p>FWIW, I was explicitly told when learning Maori in school that we were learning the Ngati Porou dialect, but I don't know if that's…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Hmmm...Higgs Boson.</p><p>No "S" or a "B" in Maori.  </p><p>We've gone a long way from the post eh what. Aren't connections wonderful.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>How these two counties manage to maintain such clear differences in accent and dialect given their tiny populations, the long history of intermarriage between the two, and the now near total dominance of Putonghua/Standard Mandarin I don’t know.</q></p><p>Because people hear it as they take in their mother's milk?<br />(Well,…</p>
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						<p>Many thanks for all links Chris.<br />Our suspicion, as a tribe, was that it was Nga Puhi or Ngati Porou...we really didnt think it was the latter, because we descend from them.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> the sub-dialect of her village in the northwest of her county*. Her mother switches between and sometimes mixes the dialects of her home county (again, specific sub-dialect) and the one she married into**.</q></p><p>Oops, forgot a couple of little appendices:</p><p>*A county of roughly 300,000 people, but subtle differences in…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Nonetheless, in the early stages of government support for the preparation of Maori language materials (in the late 1950s and 1960s) perceptions of favouritism for writers from a particular dialect area provoked intense, if relatively short-lived, resentment elsewhere.</q></p><p>From <em>Language Policies in English-dominant Countries: Six Case Studies</em>, edited by Michael…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>Thanks, and thanks. It'll be a few years before we get there, but as I keep telling my increasingly impatient mother, we'll be there before the wee one needs a primary school.</p><p><q> I thought it was only English that had this paralysing effect. Sob.</q></p><p>No, and it's spreading. The Manchu…</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						A story I heard in the late eighties, when doing my undergraduate degree, and to which I am not entirely sure how accurate it is- During the large scale urbanization from the 1950s one tribe in particular went into the civil service, and this dialect became "Standard Maori". No citations…
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						<p><q>I found this, but there’s no eBook available. Guess it’ll have to go on the list of books to track down when we get back.</q></p><p>Chris, I have 2 copies (plus a lot HB's booklets) and am very happy to lend you a copy for as long as it takes…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>quite a bit was erm ‘corrected.’ </q></p><p>grrr.... bloody prescriptivists. They've done much damage to many languages and to many people's perceptions of 'correct language'. Witness the current sorry state of France's minority languages, for example, thanks to the revolutionary fervour for enforcing Francien on the whole country.</p><p>My wife code…</p>
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						<p><q>I remember when I read The Runaway Settlers , trying to picture the crossing of the swift Taramakau in small, manoeuvrable Maori craft which I think are described as “canoes”. Might these have been mogi?</q></p><p>Bless Elsie!<br />Mogi are sort of waka-shaped but you ride on &ndash; rather than really…</p>
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						<p><q>I wonder what you make of wikipedia’s claim that the South Island dialects are extinct?</p><p></q></p><p>Clearly the compiler of that piece of...hasnt been aware of the considerable resources and efforts Kai Tahu has put into keeping our dialect alive!</p><p>Unhappily, our last native speaker of that dialect died some time…</p>
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						<p>BTW I’m finding all this discussion of seafaring fascinating.</p><p>I remember when I read <em>The Runaway Settlers</em> , trying to picture the crossing of the swift Taramakau in small, manoeuvrable Maori craft which I think are described as “canoes”.  Might these have been mogi?</p>
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						<p><q>Kilmog is actually a Maori word.</q></p><p><q>The hill’s name, though occasionally disputed, is widely believed to be a corruption of the Southern Māori word kirimoko, kilimoko or kilimogo,[4] the name of a species of manuka tree used by early Māori for brewing a kind of tea</q><br />-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kilmog" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wikipedia</a></p><p>Huh.  Well I…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>mogi/mogihi</q></p><p>How is it that northern forms of words like mōkihi have come to dominate, even when discussing southern things? I'm actually quite curious as to how te Reo has been standardised, and the health of the dialects.</p><p>Given your insistence on southern spellings (and presumably southern pronunciations), I wonder…</p>
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						<p><q>ill in use in Cook’s time, although they were rare and on the way out.</q></p><p>Ama/amatiatia is used in the South for craft with an outrigger (it also means outrigger.) Our word for a  craft made of bundles is mogi/mogihi, and they were certainly in use up to early last…</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						Thanks Chris. Nice to have such well informed comments in this forum. Certainly the local tree variety (amongst other materials) available would have affected the technology one would think. Hadn’t occurred to me.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>at Tongatapu in 1643.</q></p><p>In Tonga, where ocean-going waka would still have been necessary, even if they weren't voyaging quite so extensively as their ancestors back in the heyday of Polynesian navigating. Flipping a bit further through Te Ara, <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/waka-canoes/2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this page</a> gives two reasons for Maori to switch to single-hulled…</p>
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						<p><q>cites Bruce McFadgen’s book Hostile Shores in arguing that </q></p><p>I had the great pleasure of listening to Bruce, and Martin Goff &amp; Catherine Chague-Goff, outlining what "Hostile Shores" was going to contain &amp; why...there was enough wine on my kitchen table to keep the conversation going for quite some time...</p><p>It's been…</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>Actually, I just looked through my notes and can’t find the Tasman account</q></p><p><a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/waka-canoes/1/2/3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This</a> sketch of a double-hulled waka was made by Abel Tasman in his journal while at Tongatapu in 1643.</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						Actually, I just looked through my notes and can't find the Tasman account that would be evidence of that. Perhaps I'm perpetuating a myth.
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<p><q>Single-hulled canoes replaced double-hulled ones.</q></p><p>That, at least, can't be ascribed to a tsunami that happened 500 years ago. When Tasman sailed into Golden Bay in 1642 the Māori he encountered used double-hulled waka. When Cook arrived he noted that the double-hulled waka had disappeared and been forgotten about in…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Brian Easton, in a <em>Listener</em> column from 7 Nov 2009 (vol 221 no 3626), p. 54, cites Bruce McFadgen’s book <em>Hostile Shores</em> in arguing that —<br /><q>About 500 years ago the North Island and north of the South Island were hit by one or more great tsunami. […] Given the…</q></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>It makes restoring the landscape unlikely in the future. We're stuck with it.</q></p><p>Sure. It seems like a pretty small cost to me. Odds are, not only will it not be restored, but the windmills would continue being used, or at least the sites, having been chosen for their windyness.…</p>
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						<p><q> And I can still walk past the fence and giggle about the current owner’s attempts to kill the cabbage trees. Futile. :-)</q></p><p>With any luck at all, the cabbage trees shall be wifflling their lovely long leaves over the benighted idiots' bones!</p>
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						<p><q>There’s a kowhai &amp; a lacebark I planted here, still happily growing…</q></p><p>Mine was a wineberry.  The birds loved it even when it was small, and now it’s huge.  I don’t live in that house anymore, but I left it with a lot more ecosystem than it had.  It started with…</p>
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						Hilary &ndash; he'd help *anyone* -and that was why, I suspect, Maori (including some of Te Puea's immediate family) were so willing to help him (and defend against the misguided attacks by such as Witi Ihimaera.)
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						<p><q>You know, I didn’t know him at all, except through his work. But I cried when I heard the news, and went out in the garden and planted a tree. His death was a loss for NZ.</q></p><p>There’s a kowhai &amp; a lacebark I planted here, still happily growing… may all…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I was working at the Turnbull Library when he was researching his Te Puea book in the late 1970s. He seemed to be a very generous person always ready to help others with their research or prepared to engage on aspects of NZ history.
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						<p><q>Concrete is not really an environmental hazard.</q></p><p>It makes restoring the landscape unlikely in the future.  We're stuck with it.</p><p><q>Solar PV is a growing developing technology, but I agree with the statement that banking on what it might be able to make in the future is dangerous. It might…</q></p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>I personally like the look of them, because they speak to me of all that coal not getting burned</q></p><p>What he said.</p>
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						Well "(c)" sounds good &ndash; best wishes!
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						<p><q>*deaths</p><p>I first learned that they had died in a carcrash, on this site.</q></p><p>You know, I didn't know him at all, except through his work.  But I cried when I heard the news, and went out in the garden and planted a tree.  His death was a loss for…</p>
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						<p>Yep.<br />I've been here for 40 years. I know this place very exactly, very intimately.I love my self-built home BUT &ndash; I am no longer physically able to do the necessary upkeep of my place (o thank you, osteoarthritis) and dont have sufficient funds to pay for that upkeep -…</p>
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						<p><q> for moving from here</q></p><p>That's rather sad.  Leaving an old home is a death in a way too.</p>
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						<p>O, you are not wrong Deep Red-<br />got a wee bit overcome there for a minute &ndash; what I should have added was, Michael King was a scholar, and the voice of temperance. He relished and enjoyed his Pakehadom while making sure what he had learned from very estimable Maori…</p>
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						<p><q>*deaths</p><p>I first learned that they had died in a carcrash, on this site.</q></p><p>Just when NZ needed his wisdom the most, too.</p>
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						<p>*deaths</p><p>I first learned that they had died in a carcrash, on this site.</p><p>I went out to the beach &amp; built a fire, and sat by it, mourning, for hours-</p>
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						<p>“The Penguin History of New Zealand” Michael King, p.36 (1st edition:)</p><p>“At some point in the past millenium. however, possibly around the 14th or 15th century, the era of widespread Polynesian votaging ceased. This may have occurred because of the change in climate that produced colder, windier weather and rougher…</p>
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						<p>Kia ora Chris!<br />Have spent nearly the last hour &amp; a half scrabbling around my book piles (in preparation &ndash; haphazard, unorganised- for moving from here, I've been -errrm- rearranging things....) and Yeeessss! I do have the 1st ed. copy of Michael's book! The one I bought!</p><p>Yes, I knew, admired…</p>
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						<p>So you knew him? He seems to have been a pretty interesting bloke.</p><p>I like how he starts the <em>Penguin History of New Zealand</em> by looking at the geological origins of our islands and the development of the flora and fauna before humans showed up. He seems to raise the…</p>
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						<p><q>lso on page 30 he mentions evidence of Polynesian visits to Enderby in the Auckland Islands, as well as the Kermadecs.</q></p><p>drat! My copy of Michael's book (complete with his last emails, and last written card to me) is stashed over the hill-</p>
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						<p><q>A lot of the hydro we need to balance wind can be built on existing sites, e.g. pumped storage on current hydro schemes.</q></p><p>That's one of the great beauties of hydro, the way it can be turned on or off so rapidly for load balancing. It can even be pumped…</p>
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						I'm just browsing through what Google Books has of Michael King's <em>Penguin History of New Zealand</em>. Unfortunately my dead tree copy is in our village 120km away, and Google Books doesn't have all the pages. I seem to remember him describing the early phase of Maori settlement as maintaining close…
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						<p><q>Don’t tell the Indians that. Boson is named after Satyendra Nath Bose.</q></p><p>Good point. I'd read that first article you linked to already, but not the io9 one &ndash; that was interesting. Yeah poor Bose, but it's the same for Enrico Fermi, after whom we have the other particle category…</p>
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						<p><q>something localised changed the need &ndash; or drive &ndash; to reconnect</q></p><p>possibly just devleoping sufficient numbers and local knowledge here to make the journey not so worth it any more. quite a trek.</p>
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						<p><q>Please correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but there’s no evidence of trade between ANZ and the rest of the Pacific post-migration, right?</q></p><p>The Kermadec Islands have evidence of discontinuous (multiple, independent) use as a stop over point. As they never seem to have been occupied on a long…</p>
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						Nothing definite chris, not yet: some of the navigational knowledge seems to have got lost (but there was enough around for a tohuka, travelling with Te Whanau o Aotearoa to the 4th SP arts festival in Tahitinui, to swap with our hosts on Raiatea, star paths and land approach signs…
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						<p><q>There seems to have been connections for at least 2-3 centuries after the first settlements in ANZ</q></p><p>Is there any inkling as to what may have ruptured this connection?</p>
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						<p><q>There seems to have been connections for at least 2-3 centuries after the first settlements in ANZ. Some of the info coming out of the major settlement in North Westland is…very intriguing. Hope to learn more at my tribe’s major hui-a-iwi in late November.</q></p><p>Huh, interesting.</p>
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						<p><q>There seems to have been connections for at least 2-3 centuries after the first settlements in ANZ.</q></p><p>Far out!!  That's amazing!</p>
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						<p><q>Please correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but there’s no evidence of trade between ANZ and the rest of the Pacific post-migration, right? Easy to be independent from the rest of the world if you’re unconnected to it.</q></p><p>There were at least 2 voyages that we know of to…</p>
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						<p><q>Lilith, ANZ has a very long history (upwards of a thousand years) of being an entirely independant archipelago.</q></p><p>Please correct me if I've got this wrong, but there's no evidence of trade between ANZ and the rest of the Pacific post-migration, right? Easy to be independent from the rest of…</p>
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						<p><q>We can and should navigate a happy middle path of being friends with everybody but letting it be known we have principles that are not negotiable</q></p><p>+1</p>
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						<p><q>Can we please build something into our economic and political governance about ensuring we act for the long-term good of our nation so that our kids, grandkids, great grandkids have somewhere cool and clean to live? </q></p><p>It's a core part of our Resource Management Act and Local Government Act. Hence…</p>
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						<p><q>Your task, should you agree to undetake it: 1) Reassemble Earth and make me whole. 2) Convince me we are relevant.</q></p><p>Well said, sir. But permit me to take a Daoist approach and refuse to reassemble Earth and embrace our irrelevance. 无为, useless trees, 'n' all that. Nature will take…</p>
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						<p><q>Don't you be starting them off with homoeopathy allusions, there'll be no settling them for the night...</q></p><p>Heh. But I have just done a back-of-the-envelope calculation. If the Earth was concussed and diluted into the known universe, each molecule would be spread apart by at least a lightyear. </p><p>Your task,…</p>
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						<p><q>A sheepdog desperately seeking the approval of a shepherd?</q></p><p>This/these wannabe 'sheepdog/s' -huskies with Alzheimers, "pull the sled!" As you said:</p><blockquote><p>we need to work on turning that around and finding ways we can get over these challenges.</p></blockquote>
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						<p><q>Now I have to leap to the defence of science.</q></p><p>Fair enough, the quote is an inadequate fit for the inquisitive mind,  and yet x pages of Comic Sans Serif critique later, one wonders.</p>
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						<p>Sorry Islander, I didn’t mean to imply that NZ is <em>only</em> a former colony, just that the colonial mindset contributes to the toadying attitude some of our leaders have, </p><p>Would it be fair to say that before the last 200 years, NZ was an archipelago of nation-states?</p>
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						<p><q>hink NZ has a history of deference to offshore powers, both being a former colony and also a small remote country dependent on export earnings.</q></p><p>Lilith, ANZ has a very long history (upwards of a thousand years) of being an entirely independant archipelago. The past 200 years have been an…</p>
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						There's a difference between making nice to the powerful and jumping when they say so in the vain hope that our obedience will cause them to benevolently bestow many kindnesses on us. We can and should navigate a happy middle path of being friends with everybody but letting it be…
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						<p><q>warily trust in science-</q></p><p>I trust wholeheartedly in the principles of scientific discovery.  I don't necessarily trust the uses that science and technology are put to.  They can be very good or very bad.</p>
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						<p>I think NZ has a history of deference to offshore powers, both being a former colony and also a small remote country dependent on export earnings.</p><p>Things could be different, but exporting primary products and wooing tourists both require making nice to the powerful.</p><p>Which doesn't excuse the ridiculously poor…</p>
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						<p><q>Not equating New Zealanders with sheep, mind.<br />Heh!<br />Nah, it's more like recently self-aware sheep, with pointy shark teeth, looking in a different way at the erstwhile snappy dogs-</p>
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						<p><q>Rather than their allegiances it's a comment on their way of doing things, an ideological and managerial tepidness.</q></p><p>A sheepdog desperately seeking the approval of a shepherd?</p><p><strong>Not</strong> equating New Zealanders with sheep, mind.</p>
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						<p><q>And Islander, do try and stay alive.</q></p><p>Well, it's very much better than being dead, so I do try!</p>
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						<p><q>"Man has to awaken to wonder &mdash; and so perhaps do peoples. Science is a way of sending him to sleep again."</p><p>Ludwig Wittgenstein</q></p><p>Now I have to leap to the defence of science. I'm sure a NASA website somewhere has plenty of images that show clearly how wrong ole…</p>
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						<p><q>Don’t you be starting them off <br />with homoeopathy allusions</q></p><p>Luckily for us, unlike the universe, water has a selective memory which means it can remember the 200C dilution of duck liver but forget all the poo it’s previously contained.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I’m not sure about Anglophile.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed.  I’m not sure which word I seek. A comment on their English way of doing things more than allegiances, an ideological and administrative tepidness.</p>
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						<p><q>Which is more than you can say for priests, poets and politicians.</q></p><p>Nonono! Don't throw poets in there! Poets are very falsifiable. Priests and politicians are after power and control, poets are after art, there's a hell of a difference. Poets speak to a different truth than scientists, but when…</p>
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						<p>"Man has to awaken to wonder &mdash; and so perhaps do peoples. Science is a way of sending him to sleep again."</p><p>Ludwig Wittgenstein</p>
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						<p>And not for the first time, I find myself wishing I could disagree.</p><p>chris, I'm not sure about Anglophile. They certainly do seem to love sitting obediently at the feet of whoever the big Emperor is, though. Labour's not quite so bad at it, or at least a tad more…</p>
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						<p><q>ut that’s the whole point of science. You don’t have to trust it; it’s falsifiable. Which is more than you can say for priests, poets and politicians.</p><p>Report</q></p><p>Tautoko.<br />O &ndash; but!!<br />You can <em> always</em> trust poets!<br />(Falls over backwards, swallows tongue, dies-)</p>
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						<p>"USAophile"</p><p>Delicious. Draw like the wind.</p>
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						Just have to point out that Stephen Hawking is <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18708626" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on my side</a> #proofbyendorsement
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				<title>Will de Cleene</title>
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						<p><q>warily trust in science</q></p><p>But that's the whole point of science. You don't have to trust it; it's falsifiable. Which is more than you can say for priests, poets and politicians.</p>
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						<p>I'd go with that Chris &ndash; except it is also USAophile (and I'm not sure we can pop that in under the Anglophile heading...)</p><p>Sniffs my kumara &amp; salmon &amp; greenbean chowder and thinks, quit whining little person, go draw a gruesome (or as one of the nevs kindly put it, "gurusome")…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>there is an icky-stick-together Pakeha power base*</p></blockquote><p>Could I insert 'Anglophile' in there somewhere ? Too specific? They're very British.</p>
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						<p>I’ve come to the conclusion that there is an icky-stick-together Pakeha power base*<br />with an ideology that is basically neo-lib Nat.*** They DO NOT believe in community/selfhelp/protection for workers/social welfare.(Let alone environmental protection. Let alone – waua!- encouragement of The Arts in all their glories!) EVERY time such a government…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I am an English teacher, and yes I can get my English grammar and spelling right</p></blockquote><p>Off the clock it's largely academic.</p><blockquote><p>There is a lot of good stuff happening in NZ. I just want to see more of it and that good stuff getting a lot more support.</p></blockquote><p>I…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> warily trust in science</q></p><p>I like that 'warily' bit. We do need to remember that as awesome as science is, it is done by people, and people are really good at making mistakes and have quite an amazing talent for hubris.</p>
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						<p><q>Particles collide, stuff goes everywhere !! Go for it.</q></p><p>Well, alright... I reminded myself of a conversation with a good mate the other day. He's from Invercargill, his wife from northeastern China (as in her hometown is literally smack on the North Korean border &ndash; what a scary place to…</p>
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						<p>(and Chris)</p><p>-but us atheists stay happily in our web of NON-belief and warily trust in science-</p>
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						<p>You're quite right.  Let's hope they get the money.</p><p><q>Tempted to go off on another tangent with even less to do with the Higg’s boson, but I’ll restrain myself for now…</q></p><p>Particles collide, stuff goes <em>everywhere</em> !!  Go for it.</p>
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						<p>Yes, but their [grr... yes, I am an English teacher, and yes I can get my English grammar and spelling right] history ends in August 2011 and Onwards says:</p><p><q><br />    Crest raises pre-construction capital<br />    The total funding requirement is over ten years is perhaps NZ$600 million<br />    Capital will be raised in…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Don’t you be starting <em>them</em> off<br />with homoeopathy allusions</q></p><p>I was thinking more of the Total Perspective Vortex.  But perhaps these thoughts converge. :-)</p>
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						<p><q>...the universe bears your immortal impression whether it likes it or not</q><br />Don't you be starting <em>them</em> off <br />with homoeopathy allusions, <br />there'll be no settling <em>them</em> <br />for the night...<br />;- )</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>And, I have this wee suspicion that It doesn’t give a razoo about us either. But that is athiest talk. Rational but.</q></p><p>On the other hand the universe from big bang to cold oblivion would have been slightly different had you not been a part of it. In other words,…</p>
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						<p><q> have they dropped those turbines into Cook Strait and the entrance to the Kaipara Harbour yet? If not, why not? Oh, thanks Lilith. Although neither of those articles are clear about whether those projects are up and running yet.</q></p><p>Yeah…I thought I read something somewhere about the Cook Strait ones…</p>
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						<p>In between attempting to post this, realising I'd been signed out and rescuing it others commented giving me reason to add more to the end. </p><p><q>I’m sure China has similar areas.</q></p><p>Absolutely. And like Australia, many of those areas are sparsely populated with far-flung settlements. Local solar PV would seem…</p>
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						<p><q>He takes it all back to his last year at school, in 1969, when a lady teacher enthused to the class about ecology.</q></p><p>Did Trotter have a similar experience? Seem to be rather a few bruised penises in that generation's commentariat at the moment.</p>
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						<p><q>I am grateful that they didn't use Papyrus</q></p><p>still room for an Unobtainium mashup..</p>
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						<p><q>we should be making a plan now, on basis of things you can order right now.</q></p><p>I disagree.  We should be making both short-term plans <em>and</em> long-term plans.  The longer-term plans will involve a variety of contingencies.  Unless we continue the research, both plans will look the same.</p><p>I firmly…</p>
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						<q>A wind farm has negligible impact on any native species (and on any non-native ones other than snotty homo sapiens worried about their view). The sheep grazing around the foot of the turbines are much more detrimental to the environment. Not to mention that, when a better solution comes along…</q>
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						<p>The numbers are summarised <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>For *grid* generation, wind looks like maybe 60% of the cost of solar PV. Wide disparities of course &ndash; much of NZ is fairly windy and cloudy. Australia would, one might expect, be one of the first places for which solar PV would be economical.…</p>
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						I largely agree with you, Rich, but is solar really such a mirage? Solar water heating is very common around these parts, to the point where villages in my wife's home county have 100% solar public bath houses. I also see PV panels sitting on top of lamp posts, traffic…
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						A wind farm has negligible impact on any native species (and on any non-native ones other than snotty homo sapiens worried about their view). The sheep grazing around the foot of the turbines are much more detrimental to the environment. Not to mention that, when a better solution comes along…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Given your locality, he might have been a ZAPper.</q><br />Happened in Australia, though like anyone who's spent time in this neck of the woods I have a ZAPper anecdote or two. A surprisingly lethal cult, given its emphasis on overcoming bodily limitations.</p>
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						<p><q>we should contribute to ITER, but not pretend that it’ll be good for anything practical before the 22nd or 23rd century</q></p><p>Well, it might not be...but who would have thought we'd find the Higgs?  Uncertainty's in the nature of research, isn't it?</p><p>And as for putting more hydro dams and…</p>
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						<p>We already have the ability to get NZ to 100% renewable electricity and beyond using existing, off-the-shelf, technology and identified (wind/hydro/geothermal) sites.</p><p>The only reason we're burning fossil fuels to generate electricity is political (lower initial prices, higher profits and sheer pig-headed destructiveness). Pretending that if we wait, some panacea…</p>
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						<q>Might be, though he reminds me of a nasty libertarian (is there any other kind?) that it was once my misfortune to work for. The kind of guy who’d screw you over for a dollar while including a photocopy of Desiderata in your pay packet (“That poem means so much…</q>
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						<blockquote><p>Scientology</p></blockquote><p>or perhaps that inherently unscientific belief system: atheism.</p>
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						<p><q>Facebook, set in Zapfino?</q></p><p>Good god, man &mdash; I'm trying to eat my lunch. Nearly choked from laughing!</p>
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						<p><q>Further to my point, maybe Scientology?</q><br />Might be, though he reminds me of a nasty libertarian (is there any other kind?) that it was once my misfortune to work for. The kind of guy who'd screw you over for a dollar while including a photocopy of <em>Desiderata</em> in your pay…</p>
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						<p>RB: <q>Where Roughan gets his ideas from is an enduring mystery.</q></p><p>JW:<q>Facebook, set in Zapfino?</q></p><p>Further to my point, maybe Scientology?</p>
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						<p><q>I remember my heart sank, not so much that the world was being damaged but that it was being diminished. Suddenly we were no longer a puny lifeform amid nature’s grandeur, we were monsters and nature was at our mercy.</q></p><p>I find it fascinating how he’s managed to miss, mmm,…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Where Roughan gets his ideas from . . .</q><br />Facebook, set in Zapfino?</p>
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						<p><q>Where Roughan gets his ideas from is an enduring mystery.</q></p><p>The Prosperity Gospel, methinks?</p>
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						<q>The main threat to the environment from fusion, however is that it will take many years to perfect (it’s been 50+ years away for as long as I can remember). If we factor it in as an energy source, that means we don’t scrap Huntly and the various gas-fired generators…</q>
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						Roughan is a driller and a miner. Maybe he too has succumbed to the idea that science and technology are one and the same. Far from it. Environmentalism attacked the use of technology with no regard to the environment. It wasn't the science that was the problem. It is the…
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						<p><q>John Roughan weighs in</q></p><p>And he’s got his space-cadet uniform on, ready!:</p><p><q>In that moment a 48-year theory became a fact. The glimpse of the ‘Higgs boson’, or something like it, allows minds to boggle on the existence of “dark matter” and the possibility there really is a dimension to…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Wow. Who knew? (Where did this come from – I mean it comes from the Herald, but where did Roughan get this idea from?)</q></p><p>Where Roughan gets his ideas from is an enduring mystery.</p>
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						<p><q>Who knows where that knowledge will lead? Next they will work out how to control the particle, then they will remove it to enable things – people – to travel at the speed necessary to explore the galaxy.<br /></q></p><p>Wow. Who knew? (Where did this come from  &mdash; I mean it…</p>
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						<p><q>He takes it all back to his last year at school, in 1969, when a lady teacher enthused to the class about ecology. He seems to see the Higgs breakthrough as a return to proper Man Science.</q></p><p>I sometimes wonder if he’s trying to be some kind of spiritual successor…</p>
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						<p><q>He seems to see the Higgs breakthrough as a return to proper Man Science.</q></p><p>As our greatest Man Rutherford said:</p><p><q> "All science is either physics or stamp collecting."</q></p><p>But he also added another which obviously has much to do with this discussion:</p><p><q>"An alleged scientific discovery has no merit unless…</q></p>
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						<p>Fusion has it's own issues &ndash; no fission products, an off switch, but activation of the reactor structure similar to a fission reactor. <a href="http://www.radpro.com/JoeB-Fusion.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A health physics paper is here</a>.</p><p>The main threat to the environment from fusion, however is that it will take many years to perfect (it's been 50+…</p>
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						Wow. A sequitur or two short of an argument there, I think. (Although he is right, geology is fascinating.)
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				<title>Will de Cleene</title>
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						<p>Roughan is making hay from Met's LHC blurt, that would drive a wedge between the Envirodruids and Scientists.</p><p>The last time this flared up was with the GE debate, which set the Left against its own. Here's <a href="http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_intro/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a handful of heresies</a> that they will have to cross swords with. One…</p>
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						<p><q>Sour grapes, much? And it’s commercial hubris, not environmental hubris that’s the problem.</q></p><p>He takes it all back to his last year at school, in 1969, when a lady teacher enthused to the class about ecology. He seems to see the Higgs breakthrough as a return to proper Man Science.</p>
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						<p><q>But in concluding his purpose becomes clear:</q></p><p>Sour grapes, much? And it's commercial hubris, not environmental hubris that's the problem.</p>
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						<p>In today's Herald, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10817948" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">John Roughan weighs in</a>. At first it's a little confusing:</p><p><q>Who knows where that knowledge will lead? Next they will work out how to control the particle, then they will remove it to enable things &ndash; people &ndash; to travel at the speed necessary to explore the galaxy.</q>…</p>
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						<p><strong>Off yer face...</strong><br /><q>Indeed. I am grateful that they didn’t use Papyrus.</q><br />...or that other 'friendly' font: <a href="http://preppypenguin.net/images/curlz_font500.gif" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Curlz</a></p>
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						<q>Fair point. But, ultimately, it’s writing those grants – and publishing papers – which matters more to academic science careers than enacting that outreach. The attitudes I have encountered have, with some exceptions, been that the outreach elements of grants are hoops to jump through more than goals to be…</q>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>using Comic San font is not the worst thing ever!</q></p><p>Indeed. I am grateful that they didn't use Papyrus.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>In the US, all NSF grants have a “broader impacts” component, and larger grants typically require a specific outreach plan. I have sat on NSF panels, and this was taken seriously. </q></p><p>Fair point. But, ultimately, it's writing those grants &ndash; and publishing papers &ndash; which matters more to academic science…</p>
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				<title>Tony Siu</title>
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						<p>*Reading up on Higgs*</p><p>And believe me, as someone who sat through a lot* of academic presentations, using Comic San font is not the worst thing ever!</p>
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						<p><q>Depending on your chain of supervision, it can be viewed as a direct detriment to the important work of improving your university’s PBRF ranking. This isn’t always the case – NASA, for example, places a lot of emphasis on education and public awareness – but it’s pretty common.<br /></q></p><p>In the…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Accountants don’t tend to rely on mustering public support for their funding quite so much as scientists.</q></p><p>You gotta remember, though &ndash; scientists usually rely on public funding at the end of the chain, but the <em>proximate</em> source of funding and support for them is a) publication record and b)…</p>
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						I'll probably be there. I couldn't identify a font to save my life.
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						<p>On the other hand, if you do want to see a talk on the LHC (and the Higgs) from a specialist, this will be a great event</p><p><a href="http://www.physics.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/events/template/event_item.jsp?cid=495704" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.physics.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/events/template/event_item.jsp?cid=495704</a></p><p>No promises about the Comic Sans though.</p>
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						<p><q>But this was a talk for SCIENTISTS that, most unusually, was watched by a large international audience that probably had a large fraction of non-scientists.</q></p><p>snap</p>
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						Accountants don't tend to rely on mustering public support for their funding quite so much as scientists. And an event spruiked and broadcast worldwide is somewhat different than a cosy seminar with an invited audience.
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						<q>Is boiling down complex ideas for non-specialist audiences a hard thing to do at all well? Yes – which is why I admire good general-interest writing/journalism about science so much. But it’s a skill not a mystical vocation. I’m just suggesting it’s not only a healthy contribution to the culture…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Surprisingly you don’t see too many accountants giving (good) public presentations either.</q></p><p>No &mdash; which might be an asset when you're being deposed in a fraud trial, but doesn't do a great deal of good when "non-accounting people" would like to make some sense of why they're unemployed, their retirement…</p>
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						<p><q>  I'm just suggesting it's not only a healthy contribution to the culture for more scientists to develop that ability, but entirely in their enlightened self-interest.  Science isn't just about the seminar room and the research lab.</q></p><p>Surprisingly you don't see too many accountants giving (good) public presentations either. Scientists are…</p>
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						<p><q>My vote in 2014 is going to involve not hand-wringing, but teeth-grinding.</q></p><p>Winston, then? :)</p>
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						<p><q>Meanwhile, actual tweets. Take that, atheists!</q></p><p>Heh. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Particle:_If_the_Universe_Is_the_Answer,_What_Is_the_Question%3F " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Here is where the phrase came from</a>. Bloody Publishers. Spoil all the fun.</p>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						<p><q>I’m staunchly Green, but such stupidity makes me writhe with embarrassment.</q></p><p>Likewise.  Just when they’d got rid of Sue Kedgely… It’s the sort of simple-minded sanctimony that’s the norm for Grauniad columnists and I despise sanctimony because it’s simply making a show of hand-wringing as a substitute for real thought.…</p>
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						<p><q>Who says they haven’t? </q></p><p>That's the thing with snails. They're inscrutable. Also dolphins and mice. However, the cat and I think alike, although that might be a due to a parasite, according to latest research.</p>
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						<p><q>thus they concentrate on the how rather than the what</q></p><p>You may want this to be the case, but it really isn't that way for any of us in this thread who have been patiently explaining how basic design enhances a focus on the content. It's not an either/or, and…</p>
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						<p><q>Rampant collective idiocy, unfortunately, is one of our species greatest talents. I reckon those CERN people should be figuring out how to convert human stupidity into a useable form of energy, cos then all our energy worries would be solved for all time.</q></p><p>O dear. You are so right. And…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Surely that stream will collapse under rampant collective idiocy?</q></p><p>I'm going to assume that Russell's link is in a similar vein to the tweets in the picture he posted earlier. But no, if anything collapses that stream it won't be rampant collective idiocy. Rampant collective idiocy, unfortunately, is one of…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Nah, rant actually not over.</p><p>Is boiling down complex ideas for non-specialist audiences a hard thing to do at all well?  Yes &ndash; which is why I admire good general-interest writing/journalism about science so much.  But it's a skill not a mystical vocation.  I'm just suggesting it's not only a…</p>
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						<p>'STRUTH!</p><p>Surely that stream will collapse under rampant collective idiocy?</p>
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						<q>Bart mentions talks he has been to. That is not the problem with the “Comics of Cern”. It is the non science folk (and reporters) who are watching and trying to understand – and probably having a little difficulty given the questions asked at the news conference along the lines…</q>
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						<p><q>her party’s opposition to fusion was essentially because it was “nuclear”.</q></p><p>The devils (or angels) are usually in the detail.  </p><p>I’m staunchly Green, but such stupidity makes me writhe with embarrassment.</p>
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						While JET/ITER have some promise – though Tokamaks could fall short of other potentially cheaper and ultimately easier means than Polywell or Z-pinch – who knows – alas, the opposition the fundamentalist green opposition to anything with the letters “f” or “n” reaches the <a href="http://www.ngpowereu.com/article/ITER-and-nuclear-fusion-Pro-or-con-fusion" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">level of the absurd</a>.  I can’t…
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						<p><q>My Grandma always insisted on “paper table-napkin”.</q></p><p>We still call 'em paper napkins...confuses the hell out of some people...</p>
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						Regarding cold fusion, that someone mentioned earlier: it would be revolutionary enough if humans got <em>ordinary</em> fusion to produce more energy than it consumes.  That would change the world.  <a href="http://www.efda.org/JET/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">People are working on it</a>!
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						<p><q>FreeHand as a default page -making program</q></p><p>You mean that's NOT the standard anymore??  I feel old.</p>
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						<p><q>By ‘napkin’ I obviously mean ‘serviette’. I dunno WTF is happening to my class roots.</q></p><p>My Grandma always insisted on "paper table-napkin".</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Aaaand ... <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/derpparticle" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a Twitter account dedicated to harvesting tweets from people think "god particle" means something it doesn't</a>.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						That Free Me From Those Money Grubbing Printers  and let me at "Desk Top Publishing". Now THAT has a lot to answer for......
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>That was why I learned to use <br />Pagemaker and then InDesign</q><br />I still swear by, and use, FreeHand as a default page -making program &ndash; unfortunately it seems to be becoming an unsupported cottage industry and maroons me below OS 10.6...</p>
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						For the briefest nanosecond I felt the slightest pang that the Communist Party have banned the shit out of Twitter.)
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Please don’t try to make A0 posters in Photoshop</q></p><p>That was why I learned to use Pagemaker and then InDesign (I say learned in the loosest sense of the word).</p><p>And a two hour course sounds good to me.</p>
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						Meanwhile, actual tweets. Take that, atheists!
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>But if I only get to travel overseas to one conference in 5 years I’m damn well not going to a photoshop course!</q></p><p><strong>Twitch</strong> Please don't try to make A0 posters in Photoshop <strong>Twitch</strong></p><p>I teach our university's two hour (2 measly hours) Conference Poster Making course, but I have…</p>
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						<p><q>Which is pretty ironic, given what half the difficulty in high energy particle physics is!</q></p><p>Not really given their solution to finding data within an obscuring mess is to smash 500 trillion nuclei</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						Ha! Very clever. Reminds me of Monty Burns singing <em>See My Vest</em>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>tasty, yet solid, energy...</strong><br /><q>...data on the supposed benefits of drinking red wine than, say, the feeding habits of <em>Powelliphanta Augusta</em> </q><br />I hear they are very nice pan fried in butter <em>with</em> a little red wine...</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Which is pretty ironic, given what half the difficulty in high energy particle physics is!
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>And there are folks in science who are very good at presenting their data.</q></p><p>Easier to present data on the supposed benefits of drinking red wine than, say, the feeding habits of  <em>Powelliphanta Augusta.</em></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The real problems here are around visual noise and clutter, which have very little to do with type choices. </q></p><p>Agreed.</p>
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						<p>I find the comic sans hate pretty hilarious. Most typefaces are horrible. Times New Roman? Ugh. Etc etc.</p><p>The real problems here are around visual noise and clutter, which have very little to do with type choices. Also much harder to fix. Structural as opposed to surface etc.</p><p>One of…</p>
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						<p><strong>a pig in a poke...</strong><br /><q>Texan farmer Jethro Nedreck claims that he was the first to discover it back in the 1950s when he cross-bred one of his hogs with a bison.</q><br />I thought that recently this had proved to be merely a Bluffalo...<br />"- )</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn't that suggest that it's in the interests of good scientists to communicate effectively?</q></p><p>Yes. But understand. The "unpresenters" would say: "My talk was understandable to my peers. I find that sufficient for me."  </p><p>I DO have to tell you we have some "Presentation Skills" seminars doing the rounds at…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I also have absolutely vivid memories of seeing videos showing how auxin (a plant hormone) moves in the little cluster of cells at the top of the plant that subsequently grow out into everything you see.</q></p><p>But auxin is amazing! You could fascinate people over auxin in a bar with…</p>
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						<p><q>Money goes on marketing rather than actual technical skills.</q></p><p>But that’s what marketing folks are trained to do. It’s hard to blame them. they know how to make a logo, that’s easy. That have no idea how to retain the scientific content in a poster while making it look good,…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>If I had enough money (snort) yeah I’d consider spending some of it on getting support for improving presentations. The problem is that you frequently end up with a burgeoning marketing group that spends more time on new business logos and rebranding the institute than helping scientists make their talks…</q>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t that suggest that it’s in the interests of good scientists to communicate effectively?</q></p><p>It's worth noting that what you guys all assume is an easy thing, that is,  seeing how a presentation could be made better, just isn't that easy for some people. It really doesn't come naturally to…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t that suggest that it’s in the interests of good scientists to communicate effectively?</q></p><p>Sure. I do get the value of being good at presentation. But if I get money for another FTE I'm going to spend it on a tech or scientist who can generate more data not on…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Are there many presentational rockstars at serious conferences? And how are they regarded?</q></p><p>I've been thinking about this. And I'm still not sure I know the answer. Yes there are some people who really do "give a good talk" but that isn't quite the same as being presentational rockstars.</p><p>Kary…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>but it scares the shit out of me watching a not so good scientist do a presentation with a really cool presentation.</p><p>It is those that get the ear of the managers and the marketers.</em></p><p>and in the ears of the politicians</q></p><p>Doesn't that suggest that it's in the interests…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>but it scares the shit out of me watching a not so good scientist do a presentation with a really cool presentation.</p><p>It is those that get the ear of the managers and the marketers. </q></p><p>and in the ears of the politicians</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p>Regarding the near certain discovery of the Higgs boson – little known fact:</p><p>Texan farmer Jethro Nedreck claims that he was the first to discover it back in the 1950s when he cross-bred one of his hogs with a bison.</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t care what anyone else thinks, but I am still quite keen on the idea of cold fusion.</q></p><p>Substantial progress has been made in this field albeit under the guise of the rebranded initialism LENR. Nasa scientists, no less have been trumpeting recent breakthroughs:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5wF69jFJs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5wF69jFJs</a></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Escargot cults...</strong><br /><q>Imagine snails working out how to predict lunar eclipses.</q><br />Who says they haven't? <br />I wonder how much they'd shell out for such research?<br />To be fair, they have been using <a href="http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html#spiral" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fibonacci sequences</a> to put a roof over their heads for millennia...</p><p><strong>Dark musings....</strong><br />Now they can concentrate on…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						You too can sign the petition to ask Microsoft to <a href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/microsoft-corporation-rename-the-font-comic-sans-to-comic-cerns-in-the-windows-8-os" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rename the font 'Comic Sans' to 'Comic Cerns' in the Windows 8 OS</a> and make it the default font for all scientific presentations.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/3pyvo8.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/3pyvo8.jpeg</a></p><p>it explains much ....</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Just seeing the Higgs does not solve these riddles, but it does make cosmologists feel much better about building theories with spinless fields in them,</q></p><p>Thanks richard. Who knows where such theories might lead? The picture could change, phenomena could be discovered. Sounds like it's opening possibilities up, rather than…</p>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						Reminds me of the preachers who get their own TV shows, or form break away churches.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>I don't worry about how poorly good scientists present using quarky fonts like comic sans, but it scares the shit out of me watching a not so good scientist do a presentation with a really cool presentation.</p><p>It is those that get the ear of the managers and the marketers.…</p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						<p>Just discovering the Higgs does not directly change our current picture of the evolving universe, but it gives us lots of new questions to ask, and sharpens some of the old ones.   </p><p>In particular, this is the first time we have discovered a spinless (which autocorrect  just turned to “spineless”)…</p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						<p>Speaking of the Higgs, there is a free public lecture at the University of Auckland on July 12, 6:30pm, by Prof Mark Kruse (Duke University), who works on the ATLAS collaboration.</p><p><a href="http://www.physics.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/events/template/event_item.jsp?cid=495704" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.physics.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/events/template/event_item.jsp?cid=495704</a></p>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p><q>Sorry to be pedantic, but the correct spelling is Higgs boson. Capital ‘H’ for the ‘Higgs’ of Peter Higgs, one of the first to suggest its existence. Small ‘b’ for boson, which is just a type of particle.</q></p><p>Don't tell the Indians that.  Boson is named after Satyendra Nath Bose.…</p>
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						<p>Awwww!<br />They got a real herd of them dang things!</p><p>Act-u-ally, I find that really human/humane-</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						Never heard of Hogg's Bison. Did they discover it <a href="http://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/campus/ecology/wildlife/bison.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">at Fermilab</a>?
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						Well, this conversation is taking an weird and thoroughly delightful turn.
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>ah, I admit that metaphor needs significant plastic surgery. More apt aphorisms welcomed. Just how freaking awesome is the Hogg’s Bison?</p><p>Report</q><br />When it's coralled from the wild and me &amp; mine can stroke it gently &amp; welcome it into our 5-dimensional tepee-without wanting to skin or eat it -I'll know we…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>If snails suddenly started cementing sand &ndash; iron!- granules togther &amp; making high-arched bridges over hot-water streams...I'd call that an equivalent, and make an application to be one of the ambassadors to the Molluscan Republic.</q><br />Olaf Stapledon's <a href="http://kingofbodica.deviantart.com/art/Olaf-Stapledon-s-Nautiloids-104603622" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nautiloids.</a></p>
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				<title>Will de Cleene</title>
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						<p><q>But we all know the squids &amp; octopi will get there first…</q></p><p>I hope it'll be the octopii ascendant, but I fear the jellyfish will win.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>Ahem, one does not make leaps into the absurd within reason, one makes leaps into the absurd using reason taken to its extreme</q></p><p>That is one point of view...</p><p>I happily engage with absurdity &amp; fantasy of all kinds &ndash; but prefer &ndash; indeed expect &ndash; an underlay of our species'…</p>
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						Kia ora! Yes, I have seen TFIW &ndash; and I wasnt being absurd about the great molluscs!
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>And now here he is, sending us letters in Comic Sans, charmingly illustrated with Microsoft clipart. Rock on your bad-arse self Grandpa.</q></p><p>nice</p>
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						<p><q>substance over style</q></p><p>why treat them as mutually exclusive?</p>
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