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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote></blockquote><p><a href="https://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/we-are-orlando/2691196/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">My visual take on the Orlando tragedy</a>. I can’t help but think of Mahatma Gandhi’s wisdom: “An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.”</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>as they will generally ignore any argument when basic terms are used incorrectly</q></p><p>In the same way people will argue global warming is not real because on page 374 there was a typo.</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Agree. And then there is a modern day example whereby this commentator suggests the rest of NZ is subsidising Auckland at the moment;</p><p><q>Auckland is increasingly a millstone around New Zealand’s neck: “its economy is inwardly focussed, driven by consumption, real estate and domestic services”; “measured internationally it’s performance is…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:01:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>As I said in my first post, the societal problems as I see it, are almost intractable &ndash; too big and too complex to comprehend or legislate for. Hence central government becomes more and more authoritarian and less and less effective.</q></p><p>Perhaps we're not that different. I believe that Federal…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:41:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Karen Hester</title>
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						<p>Yes, the laws are confusing for travelers. Gun carriers visiting many Northeast states are suddenly acting illegally as soon as their car crosses the border. Some idiots even think their out-of-state permit allows them to carry at the 9/11 Memorial.</p><p>Law enforcement often throws out these cases.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:13:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kiwiiano</title>
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						I doubt that we'll see any sense until someone walks into either Congress or a big NRA meeting with a serious weapon and lets rip. So long as it's someone else's problem....
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				<title>papango</title>
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						<p><q>But I’m seeing people who are glomming onto “a self-hating Muslim queer did it” with indecent haste (present company very much excluded) because it’s a narrative that neatly side-steps hard and ugly questions about homophobia and gun culture.</q></p><p>For me, if he was a self hating gay man, that actually…</p>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>One could construct all sorts of conspiracy theories...</q></p><p>I think it's a little more serious than that, John. While I normally balk at using them as a source, the Daily Mail <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641508/We-normally-sell-two-day-today-selling-15-hour-Georgia-gun-shop-reports-soaring-AR-15-sales-Pennsylvania-dealer-sold-15-000-Orlando-massacre.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reports</a> one Georgia gun dealer as saying, "We normally sell two (AR-15s) a day, today we are selling up…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:17:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> I read some authority somewhere is thinking of of prosecuting some one for not reporting him</q></p><p>In all seriousness, when I first saw that I thought it was a sick bloody joke.  </p><p>Add "people who wonder why abused women don't go to the authorities" to the rapidly expanding list of…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<q>This is important when entering into any discussion with or about the gun lobby or pro-2a individuals as they will generally ignore any argument when basic terms are used incorrectly. The same applies to when discussing an issue with people from a military background; e.g. get the word “battalion” confused…</q>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						One could construct all sorts of conspiracy theories, based on "The share prices of US gun manufacturers have surged since the Florida shootings. Apparently this happens after every US gun massacre as the good ol’ boys stockpile weapons in anticipation of a crackdown on gun sales."
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><strong>On the subject of America’s crazed gun culture…</strong></p><p>The share prices of US gun manufacturers <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/orlando-shooting-shares-in-us-gun-manufacturers-jump-after-massacre-amid-calls-for-new-weapons-a7081126.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">have surged</a> since the Florida shootings. Apparently this happens after every US gun massacre as the good ol’ boys stockpile weapons in anticipation of a crackdown on gun sales. </p><p>Further to my earlier post about…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>nobody ever really knows what the fuck was going through Mateen’s mind</q><br />Well not the minutae of his mental processes as they flashed thru his synapse.<br />Certainly not us out here in internetland who never knew of him or his mental processes until it was plastered all over news sites.…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q> As times goes on people/families become more and more transient &ndash; putting down inter-generational roots in a particular geographic area is no longer the norm</q></p><p>This doesn't really correlate with the <a href="http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acsbr10-07.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">fact that 59% Americans have never moved from their birth state</a>.</p><p>As of 2011, even <a href="http://blogs.census.gov/2011/11/15/a-nation-still-on-the-move-but-less-transient-than-before/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this was slowing</a>.</p>
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				<title>Gregor Ronald</title>
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						The gun industry prefers you to call them "Modern Sporting Rifles" nowadays.
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						Indeed. My mother, a nurse, was promoted to charge of an ER in San Antonio Texas in the early 50s. She implemented a system whereby people were assessed and treated based on the severity of their injury. It did not go down well at all with the hospital administration. She…
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						Just to note a couple of things about some of the nomenclature being used in this discussion. The AR15 which dominates in the US civilian rifle market and which has been used in several recent mass killings is <em>not</em> an assault rifle but a military-style semi-automatic. The M16 (the military…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>The 'melting pot' that was once its strength is now a weakness.</q></p><p>Surely the 'melting pot' only ever really referred to white folks. In the era of economic expansion in which it served as a convenient label, Jim Crow laws still governed much of the South. </p><p><q>They might be better…</q></p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The EU has three times the population density of the USA (and has many densely populated urban areas).</p><p>Closer to home, many New Zealanders* (including myself) live a very long way from the places we were born, and few of us are psychopathic killers.</p><p>*(25%)</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>how many of these men are there in American, merrily buying arsenals?</q></p><p>Some sociological thoughts/studies on why America stands out in this regard;</p><p><a href="https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/12/31/mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-what-makes-so-many-american-men-dangerous/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/12/31/mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-what-makes-so-many-american-men-dangerous/</a></p><p>And for an interesting analysis of stats, there is this (as linked in the above);<br /><a href="http://www.charlespetzold.com/blog/2015/07/De-Obfuscating-the-Statistics-of-Mass-Shootings.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.charlespetzold.com/blog/2015/07/De-Obfuscating-the-Statistics-of-Mass-Shootings.html</a></p><p>My hunch is that the US, as an advanced democracy/economy…</p>
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				<title>John McCormick</title>
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						Around 10-15 years ago there was a backlash against increasing use of Spanish in the US, and a number of states proposed English only laws. A TV report interviewed people about their feelings for the issue, and one woman explained her support by saying, "If the English language was good…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/reconstruct-orlando-pulse-shootings.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This witness account</a> suggests some weird, inexplicable racial motives were tied up in the atrocity too:</p><p><q>Orlando said he never looked Mr. Mateen in the eye, but recalled his calm voice. At one point, after noticing that some of the hostages in the bathroom were texting, the gunman ordered them…</q></p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>nobody ever really knows what the fuck was going through Mateen’s mind because this is real life not television where everything ties up in a neat bow at the end</q></p><p>This is probably the most sensible comment I have read on this topic anywhere on the internet.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s also equally plausible that he was a deeply homophobic straight man who scoped out the scene of his crime for a disturbingly long time, using social media to stalk potential victims and hung around people he hated with an ultimately lethal passion.</q></p><p>It’s a <em>very</em> long time. Lateen’s former…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>It’s tempting to think his confused and contradictory grab-bag of radical influences pushed him into an act of extreme self-loathing. Or did the fact of a Latin night featuring trans performers trigger some other hatred? I guess we’ll find out more in time.</q></p><p>It's also equally plausible that he was…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>One thing this is not looking like is a man actually directed by ISIS, or a part of a conspiracy. </q></p><p>Yes, but......even if not actively directed, still involved enough to pop up on the FBI's radar as someone who needed to be interviewed twice.  A toxic mix of self-hate and…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>Good mental health is a community thing. </q><br />Except when communities are non existent.<br />I would argue we have lost a large part of being a community, with the recent incursion of the money thing into our lives stepping into the void left by gods, post WWII<br /> And in  NZ we…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>One thing this is not looking like is a man actually directed by ISIS, or a part of a conspiracy. This is quite unlike the Paris attacks.</q></p><p>A bit of Jared Loughner, Man Haron Manis, Clayton Weatherston, Andrew Cunanan... who else would Omar Mateen have taken after?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						The picture of Omar Mateen is certainly getting more complex. A former police academy classmate, four Pulse regulars and a man who interacted with him on a dating app <a href="http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-gay-former-classma/nrfwW/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">all say they believed him to be gay</a>. Most accounts also have him as a dark, unhappy figure with few friends,…
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>misinterpreted historic religions babbling is another and crazy selfish economics</q></p><p>root causes</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>How does that work? Given the constitutional stuff, to what extent can a town or municipality in the USA get away with regulating guns?</q></p><p>Same way any town regulates things like parking and traffic rules. 2nd amendment has failed to stop University campuses becoming gun-free as well. Supreme court has…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>When the Black Panthers wielded AK47s for self-defence</q></p><p>yup, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-panthers-california-1967_us_568accfce4b014efe0db2f40" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-panthers-california-1967_us_568accfce4b014efe0db2f40</a></p>
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						<p>And most importantly of all, be wary of illiberal homophobes and misogynists who claim to be born-again LGBT and womens' rights activists against the 'filthy mud races'... because they're still illiberal bigots to the core. Laurie Penny says it better than I can.</p><p><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/01/after-cologne-we-cant-let-bigots-steal-feminism" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/01/after-cologne-we-cant-let-bigots-steal-feminism</a></p>
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						<p><q>I should think it's enforcement that would be the problem.</p><p>California has tried to control guns <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California</a> </q></p><p>When the Black Panthers wielded AK47s for self-defence outside the state court house, open-carry was outlawed in 1967 by, of all people, then-governor <strong>Ronald Reagan</strong> and the <strong>NRA</strong>.</p>
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						<p><q>Although the NRA provided material and strategic support to Australia's minuscule Shooters Party, nothing with that kind of scale and pervasity has ever existed there. Without a deeper understanding of the different situations in Australia and the US, downplaying the NRA's influence is empty hypothesising.</q></p><p>As Katharine Moody &amp; Tussock have…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>I should think it's enforcement that would be the problem. </p><p>California has tried to control guns <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California</a></p>
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						<p><q>*shudder* As I've pointed out elsewhere today, more than once, this is shit my father didn't have access to when he was a solider fighting honest to God Nazis in a real war.</q></p><p>And yet it's still nowhere near sufficient to 'overthrow a tyrannical government', as those who think they…</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>there are thousands of towns with strong gun control regulations &ndash; they don't make the news because they are boring and moderate</q></p><p>How does that work?  Given the constitutional stuff, to what extent can a town or municipality in the USA get away with regulating guns?</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q> there are thousands of towns with strong gun control regulations – they d</q></p><p>must be helluva confusing for people who travel around the country, figuring out and complying with local regs</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Reckon we should just send Matthew over there to solve it, eh. <br />Coupla seminars, that sort of thing. Shouldn't take long  :-P</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>the US is the largest free range asylum in the world</q></p><p>It's also worth remembering that the US is really really diverse. Sure the gun nuts make good TV &ndash; but there are thousands of towns with strong gun control regulations &ndash; they don't make the news because they are…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						I agree Bart, he is doing what he can given that the US is the largest free range asylum in the world.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    downplaying the NRA’s influence is empty hypothesising</p><p>Sadly you are almost certainly right. But still, leadership is essential. Obama repeating the same “isn’t this terrible” speech hasn’t been that. </q></p><p>I think you're wrong on that.</p><p>There is a section of the US population that will never be convinced that any…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<a href="http://www.cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/30630" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"...when suitably inadequate gun controls meet a suitably inadequate mental health system, something like the USA emerges..."</a>
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						<p><q>It’s hard to know how many of them had firearms licences, but it’s safe to say they acted irrationally, some of them where mentaly unwell and each of them<br />had access to at least one gun.</q></p><p>Is it reasonable to say that when suitably inadequate gun controls meet a suitably…</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>Thats your suggestion? And dont hold the NRA culpable?</q></p><p>Well, it's something he could do specifically.  A change of political tactics is clearly required, but if I knew what that involved I wouldn't be running a little PR company in NZ.</p><p>And of course the NRA is culpable. But it…</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>The USians I've conversed with of late on the net make it clear that many of them are completely divorced from reality on the issues around guns.</p><p>Like, they see news like that and imagine themselves being trapped in a shootout in a public building, like it's totally going to…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<q>This is a bad morning. I'm a straight man, but the location of the Florida massacre – a gay club – makes me think not only of the gay friends who found their identities in such places, but of the things that are culturally important to me that were forged…</q>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>some time ago when a colleague/friend applied for a license I was interviewed by police seeking my opinion on his suitability, as were others including of course, his wife. Maybe no longer so stringent. Don’t know.</q></p><p>A friend was inheriting an old family heirloom and applying for a gun permit…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						The process for obtaining a license is stringent and high quality. However there is a problem in that a license lasts for ten years and there are no further checks on a person's suitability during that time unless the person comes to the attention of the police in circumstances which…
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						As an American living in NZ since 1978, I 'look in' to the place of my upbringing, and think that in many ways the problems of US society are incorrigible, unable to be reformed. There is no going back &ndash; the issues are too intractable &ndash; the social, financial, political/governmental…
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I had to renew my firearm's licence when I was back home last year (easier to renew than let it expire) and the process still required interviews of a close friend, family member and myself. I went to the police station on the day I arrived, which was a bit…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Hmmm. <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Howell thing gets murkier</a>:</p><p><q>Santa Monica Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks said on Twitter that Howell told an officer during his arrest on weapons charges that he wanted "to harm Gay Pride event."</p><p>But she provided no specifics and at a press conference three hours later, Lt. Saul Rodriguez…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Sadly you are almost certainly right. But still, leadership is essential. Obama repeating the same “isn’t this terrible” speech hasn’t been that. </q></p><p>Dude, with all due and insincere respect, I’m happy to give you a one-on-one seminar on how the Constitution of the United States was constructed to separate the…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>hold a seminar or two</q><br />Thats your suggestion? And dont hold the NRA culpable?<br />Man, you are as soulless as that society/country that thinks it can be made "great again" when it is so obviously in decline.<br />christknows how any decades thats going to drag on for...</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>the idea that he carries some kind of charismatic influence with the residue of his natural US allies is a joke</q></p><p>I meant more to hold a seminar or two with gun reform lobbyists.</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>downplaying the NRA’s influence is empty hypothesising</q></p><p>Sadly you are almost certainly right. But still, leadership is essential.  Obama repeating the same "isn't this terrible" speech hasn't been that. And I doubt Clinton will dare do anything much on any topic.  Her comments today were quite carefully worded to not…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>You might note that while they're still small, they have members in NSW parliament so we have allowed "recreational shooting" in state parks and there is fighting about allowing it in national parks. </q></p><p>Upper house only, much like Fred Nile and the onetime dregs of Pauline Hanson's One Nation. I'd…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>And I think John Howard needs to pay a visit to the US again.</q></p><p>With all due credit to Howard's actions in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre, the idea that he carries some kind of charismatic influence with the residue of his natural US allies is a joke.…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>strategic support to Australia's minuscule Shooters Party, </q></p><p>You might note that while they're still small, they have members in NSW parliament so we have allowed "recreational shooting" in state parks and there is fighting about allowing it in national parks. The restrictions are laughable, and there are problems with idiots…</p>
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				<title>Martin Brown</title>
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						Re. NZ gun laws – some time ago when a colleague/friend applied for a license I was interviewed by police seeking my opinion on his suitability, as were others including of course, his wife. Maybe no longer so stringent. Don’t know.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Blaming the NRA is ultimately a cop-out. A popular conservative US leader who wants to deal with this issue could. But none has.</q></p><p>Of course the NRA could be shown to be a paper tiger if your hypothetical US equivalent of John Howard called its bluff, but you don't provide…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q> <em>assault weapons</em></q><br />So are any of them sold as <em>defence weapons</em> ?<br />who legally needs an assault weapon unless they are gonna assault someone or something... and surely that is only within the purview of armies or law enforcers &ndash; otherwise you reap what you sow...<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY</a></p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>Chocolate fish for anyone who can guess if New Zealand gun laws can prevent the same thing happening here.</q></p><p>Our guns laws didn't stop Aramoana. They just stopped the dozens of similar incidents that <em>didn't</em> happen in the 27 years since. </p><p>And I think John Howard needs to pay a…</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>The guts have just been pulled from the Mountain Safety Council run safety training and license testing process, presumably for cost savings. </q></p><p>It started properly more than a year ago <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/66076466/mountain-safety-moves-volunteers-aside" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">when the MSC decided to drop a comprehensive programme of outdoor safety courses</a>. It ditched nearly all of its volunteer…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Uh, say what? The Police can revoke anyone’s firearms licence at any time if they believe the “fit and proper person” requirement is no longer met.</q></p><p>I mean that the police have no way to know that a person holding a firearms license may no longer be a "fit and…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>US gun laws will probably come under scrutiny again, but sure as hell, the issue will be dropped soon after. Because… National Rifle Assn.</q></p><p>While the NRA is disgusting the problem is not the NRA. The problem is that US politicians are corrupt and take money from the NRA to…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>If such a list even exists in the US.</q></p><p>No such list exists.</p><p>It is entirely possible to be on an FBI "no-fly" list because of perceived terrorist threat in the US and <em>still be able to buy assault weapons</em>.</p>
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				<title>James W</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe he should have been on a list which restricted him from buying serious armaments? If such a list even exists in the US.</q></p><p>Here's Obama from a week ago complaining about how they lack the power to do that:</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/rickyftw/status/742069085253468160" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://twitter.com/rickyftw/status/742069085253468160</a></p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p><q>In the same 24 hours as Omar Mateen carried out the deadliest mass shooting in American history</q><br />They kept saying that on the US media clips I heard as well.  But it is simply <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">not true</a>.  At least RNZ called it the "worst shooting in modern US history".</p><p>It seems…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The Senate Republicans last year voted down a measure that would have prevented people on terrorism watch lists from buying guns. Unbelievably.</q></p><p>All too believably because the National Rifle Association may be contemptible shit-weasels, but they’re brutally efficient lobbyists and when they put money into your campaign you tend to…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>it's a ten year license with no review process to trigger for mental health or any other concerns.</q></p><p>Uh, say what? The Police can <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1983/0044/latest/DLM72928.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">revoke anyone's firearms licence at any time</a> if they believe the "fit and proper person" requirement is no longer met. </p><p>Or do you mean no statutory…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>It’s worth pointing out that Mateen was investigated twice (2013, 2014) by the FBI for his radical views, and twice they decided there was nothing to worry about. Maybe he should have been on a list which restricted him from buying serious armaments? If such a list even exists in…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Three assault rifles, high-capacity clips (bound together for fast reload, according to people who know about these things), five gallons of explosive material. Fuck.</q></p><p>*shudder* As I've pointed out elsewhere today, more than once, this is shit my father didn't have access to when he was a solider fighting honest…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<a href="http://www.cartoonmovement.com/p/3310" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Khalid Albaih.</a>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Chocolate fish for anyone who can guess whether New Zealand gun laws could prevent the same thing happening here.</q></p><p>I'm guessing not on the same scale as it's reasonably difficult to purchase assault rifles in NZ. You need to be a registered collector to obtain one legally.</p><p>That said, I…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Hah! The vetting and testing process for a gun license is pretty good, but it's a ten year license with no review process to trigger for mental health or any other concerns.</p><p>The guts have just been pulled from the Mountain Safety Council run safety training and license testing process,…</p>
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						<p><q>Everyone assumes ‘terrorist du jour’<br />&ndash; which for America today probably means Islamic</q></p><p>Predictably, Trump tweeted <em>"Thanks for all the congrats"</em> as if mass murder somehow vindicates his racism. It's becoming increasingly difficult to believe that this dim-witted, orange cartoon character is actually in the running for the office of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Wellingtonians:vigil this evening at 6 pm in Frank Kitts park</q></p><p>Auckland too: <a href="http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/2/article_18372.php#.V14ILHhUShU.twitter" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">6pm at Western Park on Ponsonby Road</a>.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>The Orlando police chief has just released <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=11655591" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an email</a> to staff, including this paragraph:<br /><q>I know that you have all been affected today by the tragic actions of a lone terrorist who cut short the lives of so many. Our community, our City, and our Department will be grieving in the…</q></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						Check out ‏<a href="https://twitter.com/igorvolsky" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@igorvolsky</a> on twitter – as he’s done previously his feed is again a reminder of just how corrupt some US politicians are and how morally bankrupt those politicians offering “thoughts&prayers” really are.
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Wellingtonians:<a href="http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/2/article_18373.php#.V14UHw1S_RY.facebook" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">vigil this evening at 6 pm in Frank Kitts park</a>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/12/devastating_abc_clip_of_christine_leinonen_waiting_to_hear_about_her_son.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">More on the arsenal Howell had with him</a>. Three assault rifles, high-capacity clips (bound together for fast reload, according to people who know about these things), five gallons of explosive material. Fuck.
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>These graphs have been doing the rounds today. </p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/742022366201577473" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"No data yet on the correlation between “thoughts and prayers” and gun violence, but I did find these."</a></p><p>Who needs an Assault rifle for anything?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>James Wesley Howell, was arrested wth multiple assault weapons and bomb-making ingredients, before he could carry out his intention to “do harm” to those who gathered at Los Angeles’ annual Pride march.</q></p><p>And its depressing what <em>doesn't</em> happen when a heavily-armed white man is arrested intending to commit a violent…</p>
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