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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the current owners of the Thurn and Taxis infrastructure (after half a dozen corporate and/or national upheavals) are Deutsche Post A.G. Which, for some reason, are the people who Amazon use to post things from America to New Zealand. No idea why.</p></blockquote><p>It has been policy for some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:52:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						At least you lot are reading the T&C. Because <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20002689-71.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">you never know what might happen if you don't</a>.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:18:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						cough ShaneJones cough
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:13:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Seriously, I need to claim ACC on that.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, neck or eye injuries caused by rapidly jerking ones head away from salacious internet material is no longer covered.  </p><p>I'm surprised it's not in the T&amp;C.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:51:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Seriously, I need to claim ACC on that.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:24:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Never do that again to us. My eyes!</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps all my bitching on Facebook about Dumb Library School (TM) should just be replaced with a weekly posting of that video. It says so much.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:23:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete Sime</title>
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						Wow. I'm stunned, and I'm also a bit proud of <a href="http://www.natlib.govt.nz/about-this-site/terms-of-use" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> my own workplace</a>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:11:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You jest, but:</p></blockquote><p><em>Never</em> do that again to us. My eyes!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:04:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Deutsche Post A.G. Which, for some reason, are the people who Amazon use to post things from America to New Zealand. No idea why.</p></blockquote><p>They own DHL which I understand owns half of CourierPost.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:20:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>I warmly endorse this policy.</em><br />Generations of editors and supplicants seeking favourable coverage have probably long established a single malt economy at the Northern Club and other suitable venues for the transacting of favours and commerce.</p></blockquote><p>Our very own <em>Forth Estate</em>.  We are talking 'Point Chevalier' so maybe the __Four…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:03:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And in the case of video attachments, groups of librarians would re-enact the scene and film it on VHS. A-la Be Kind Rewind.<br />True story.</p></blockquote><p>You jest, but:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uzUh1VT98" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uzUh1VT98</a></p><p>(KILL ME NOW, etc.)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:51:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Daveosaurus</title>
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						<blockquote><p>via Thurn and Taxis, W.A.S.T.E. or Bolger's lot?</p></blockquote><p>I think the current owners of the Thurn and Taxis infrastructure (after half a dozen corporate and/or national upheavals) are Deutsche Post A.G. Which, for some reason, are the people who Amazon use to post things from America to New Zealand. No…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:47:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						As Emma suggests, copy and paste is often the culprit with boilerplate text like T&Cs. Borrowed without much thought from previous sites by the same developer or organisation to save money and time. Sometimes from other jurisdictions where suing is pursued with gusto. All rooted in last century's thinking.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:33:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Generations of editors and supplicants seeking favourable coverage have probably long established a single malt economy at the Northern Club and other suitable venues for the transacting of favours and commerce.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:29:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Please submit comments in typing, double-spaced on single sided A4 paper. Attach to a bottle of single malt whiskey (min 750ml), and post to R Brown Esq, Private Bag, Point Chevalier.</p></blockquote><p>I warmly endorse this policy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:12:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I mean more the imbedding of an image than the 'linking to'. That certainly what was a big issue when my uni library put up digital collections of art.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but all these disclaimers refer to linking, not embedding.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:56:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you link to an image, it doesn't mean it appears on your website.</p></blockquote><p>I mean more the imbedding of an image than the 'linking to'. That certainly what was a big issue when my uni library put up digital collections of art.</p><p>My department had to get legal advice…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:48:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote>In order to contact a particular person at a branch via email, you would send your message to a general 'such and such branch' address, with an 'attn so and so' in the subject line, and people at that branch would then either call attention to it or &ndash; get…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:44:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Please submit comments in typing, double-spaced on single sided A4 paper. Attach to a bottle of single malt whiskey (min 750ml), and post to R Brown Esq, Private Bag, Point Chevalier. Enclose a stamped, self addressed envelope if you require acknowledgement or a reply.</p></blockquote><p>You jest, but when I worked…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:41:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						AFAIK terms of use that rely on people's passive consent, or say "by doing [something you would expect to do anyway] you agree that ... ", don't tend to enforce all that well. And if you <strong>can</strong> view it as a contract, in the context of the site it's very…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:35:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>missing links sitegeist...</strong><br />I note <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/30/whatever-you-do-dont.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BoingBoing</a> touching on the same topic, and linking to a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/29/edinburgh-fringe-website-woes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Guardian article</a></p><p>and from the always cogent and prescient thoughts of the late <a href="http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/2010/03/12/080310-the-week-in-cultural-heritage-online/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <strong>Paul Reynolds</strong></a> in March this year:</p><blockquote><p>...and by internal policy fiat  there are very few hyper-links links to outside sources. Moreover,…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:26:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'm seriously curious about the answer to CarlosNZ's question. Is there any enforceability at all to what links people have on their own sites? I can see a case if the link contains a login or something, in terms of "providing unauthorized access to a computer network", but if not?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So what was his opinion?</p></blockquote><p>Her opinion was that technically the authors of the catalogue had an enforceable claim. Moreover in the catalogue itself there was a very lenghty legal notice about the near-sacred nature of those pictures based &ndash; it seemed to me &ndash; entirely on the fact that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:04:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Grace Dalley</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I imagine the organisation would have a challenge establishing any kind of loss when all the person is doing is linking to publicly available material.</p></blockquote><p>In most cases links to your content are a <strong>gain</strong>, surely?</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						I suppose that if one can be held liable for tracing over a photo of Obama (summary may not reflect facts), it doesn't <em>necessarily</em> follow that the public retains a right to a scanned public domain image. But that angle does occur to me.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						The material in question is not publicly available &ndash; it almost exclusively belongs to private collections and museums. It just so happens that copyright on it has expired.
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<p>I think we had a debate on one of <em>those</em> previous copyright threads about whether copyright exists in a digital reproduction of an out of copyright work.</p><p>Without regurgutating too much of what was previously discussed, the law is unclear in this area, but it'd be a brave company or…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Its been argued that photographic reproductions of public domain art, contain no creative merit. And is there for unable to be copyrighted.</p></blockquote><p>I'm talking about a right in law, as per the opinion of a copyright lawyer friend regarding my scanning of public domain artworks from an out of print…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						wait... people still use subframes?
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>because that would create a problem that ,well I can't actually define the problem at the moment</p></blockquote><p>You guys (and Emma of course) a making fun of this and it's damn serious. If websites are used the way they were intended the end result would be the wanton (thinking of…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>the Dunedin City Council's web site handles all this quite cleanly, they explicitly allow linking:</p><blockquote><p>Links to our pages must clearly reveal that they belong to our site. Representing our pages in subframes is prohibited.</p></blockquote><p>The subframes thing is so that they don't get misrepresented which I think is fair.…</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<p>Christchurch City Council's only restriction:</p><blockquote><p>If you wish to provide a link to our site from your website, you must do so in such a way that it is clear to users that the pages are part of the Christchurch City Council website. You must not represent any page on…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172062#post172062</link>
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						<blockquote><p>which incidentally claimed Te Papa owned copyright on scanned public domain image</p></blockquote><p>Copyright in the images, or copyright in the reproductions that appear on their website? Because that's quite a vexed issue. I understand they are allowed to claim the latter.</p>
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				<title>Mike Dickison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair, they're probably trying to protect people from using copyrighted images.</p></blockquote><p>No, Te Papa already had a very clear and separate image copyright policy on the site (which incidentally claimed Te Papa owned copyright on scanned public domain images, something else I took them to task for, but…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:58:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Gracewood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Which is still counter-productive and wrong.</p></blockquote><p>Oh absolutely. It's just one of the many scenarios that tend to get risk-averse corporate bunnies all lathered up.</p><p>"But but! What if a screen scraping iPhone app gives someone the wrong bus time and they miss their bus and they freeze to death…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:44:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Grace Dalley</title>
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						How does that anecdote go about a certain prominent former MP asking a staffer to "print out" the internet for him so he could read it over the weekend?  In the MP's defence, that was many years ago; it would be nice to think most people now had a grasp…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair, they're probably trying to protect people from using copyrighted images. Artists and estates may provide permission for a museum or gallery to put images up on a web site on the condition that it only appears on that web site.</p></blockquote><p>If you link to an image, it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:41:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172054#post172054</link>
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						I mean, if they really wanted to, could they set up a whitelist of authorised referrers and block everyone else? Why are they asking US to do their relevance-minimising?
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				<title>Ben Gracewood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interesting; I can't find the offending paragraph on the Manukau Libraries site anymore &ndash; have they nixed it since the blog post?</p></blockquote><p>Yep goneburger. I sent them an email this morning asking what I should do if a friend asks me on Twitter if Manukau library has a certain book.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:39:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I presume that is designed to stop people writing an app over top of the library catalogs, bus timetables, etc..</p></blockquote><p>Which is still counter-productive and wrong.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interesting; I can't find the offending paragraph on the Manukau Libraries site anymore &ndash; have they nixed it since the blog post?</p></blockquote><p>They have!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:37:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Gracewood</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172048#post172048</link>
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						<blockquote><p>Ben, can you check the amended post and see if I've missed anything about the Auckland Council T&amp;Cs?</p></blockquote><p>Looks good. I <em>think</em> they're trying to cover scraping and re-using with the "do not [...] make it available to third parties through a networked computer environment". I presume that is designed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:37:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172047#post172047</link>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Grade-A lunacy. With your money.</em></p><p>You may regret having used this title now, should Banks' Supercity Olympics proposal get any traction in the real world...</p></blockquote><p>Nah. That would be Gold Medal Lunacy.</p><p>You'd never make it as a subbie, being so blind to obvious puns =)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:37:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172046#post172046</link>
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						Interesting; I can't find the offending paragraph on the Manukau Libraries site anymore &ndash; have they nixed it since the blog post?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:34:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172045#post172045</link>
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						<blockquote><p>But seriously: Te Papa? Our Place? I guess it was a sign that someone didn't have a clue.</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, they're probably trying to protect people from using copyrighted images. Artists and estates may provide permission for a museum or gallery to put images up on a web site…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:34:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172042#post172042</link>
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						<blockquote><p>It affords us some level of protection against inappropriate linking that could be damaging to our various interests.</p></blockquote><p>Says the museum that hosted a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:25:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172041#post172041</link>
				<guid>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172041#post172041</guid>
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						<blockquote><p>Grade-A lunacy. With your money.</p></blockquote><p>You may regret having used this title now, should Banks' Supercity Olympics proposal get any traction in the real world...</p><p>But yes, seems like a spectacularly stupid set of rules to provide for a website. And this:</p><blockquote><p>do not modify the information or make it…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:24:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Dickison</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172037#post172037</link>
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						<p>Until at least late 2007, Te Papa had a proscription on linking to their web pages without permission. (They've since dropped that, and now have quite reasonable T&amp;C.) But seriously: Te Papa? Our Place? I guess it was a sign that someone didn't have a clue.</p><p>When I enquired in 2007,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:23:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Leigh  Kennaway</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172036#post172036</link>
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						<p><em>Makes me wonder why Public Address doesn't have a policy that requires users to obtain written permission (within 1 to 5 working days) before commenting on the System?</em></p><p>Please submit comments in typing, double-spaced on single sided A4 paper. Attach to a bottle of single malt whiskey (min 750ml), and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:16:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172035#post172035</link>
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						<blockquote><p>via Thurn and Taxis, W.A.S.T.E. or Bolger's lot?</p></blockquote><p>Bolger's lot 39. Naturally.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:16:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172034#post172034</link>
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						but we'll always be able to paraphrase...and offer general directions to the vicinity thereof.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:10:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172032#post172032</link>
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						<p><strong>going all postal...</strong></p><blockquote><p>...all comments will have to be delivered by registered mail.</p></blockquote><p>via Thurn and Taxis, W.A.S.T.E. or Bolger's lot?<br />...and will this usher in the welcome return of the tamperproof wax seal?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:06:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172030#post172030</link>
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						So.... why would they do this?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:00:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172029#post172029</link>
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						I was hoping we could set up a smoke communication system on hills.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:55:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						What pay can make minds so small?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:54:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172024#post172024</link>
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						I heard that one of the technical improvements that Russell has in the pipeline is that all comments will have to be delivered by registered mail.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:51:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172023#post172023</link>
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						Makes me wonder why Public Address doesn't have a policy that requires users to obtain written permission (within 1 to 5 working days) before commenting on the System?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:50:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172022#post172022</link>
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						<blockquote><p>Ever, apparently. Because who knows where we'd be if information got out</p></blockquote><p>Look Russell it's easy to make lite of this but if people start reading websites willynilly we're all fucked because that would create a problem that ,well I can't actually define the problem at the moment but seriously…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:42:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172021#post172021</link>
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						First China, then the Copyright Council of NZ? They don't stand a chance.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:39:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172019#post172019</link>
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						<p>Also: Looks like Google is <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RfDEJ8W2usUJ:www.copyright.org.nz/terms.php+%22We+do+not+permit+direct+linking+to+information+sheets+or+other+documents.%22&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=safari" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">breaching the Copyright Council's cacheing policy</a>.</p><p>They'll be quaking in their boots, I'm sure.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:37:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I worked for a firm in the late 90s that was all about deep linking and we never got so much as a cease and desist.</p><p>I wonder how many of these sites set NOBOTS. Anyway as a layman I'd argue that a link, deep or otherwise, is fair use.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:35:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>Can I, in a comment on your blog, impose T&amp;C for the readers of my own comment?</p><p>The T &amp; C for this comment are that you may read it but are not allowed to use the info contained in it for any other purpose... including quoting it, or even implying that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:34:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						<p>Heh. From <a href="http://www.wellington.govt.nz/termsandconditions/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wellington City Council</a>:</p><blockquote><p>This website and all its content is owned by the Wellington City Council and is subject to copyright. Website visitors may reproduce, store and use the content of this website for personal, informational and non-commercial purposes only.</p><p>Except as stated in the above paragraph, no…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Ben, can you check the amended post and see if I've missed anything about the Auckland Council T&Cs?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Auckland site's back up. No link policy presently, but that some grade-a shink-wrap licencing right there.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the heads-up. I've amended the post to include the actual wording.</p>
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				<title>Ben Gracewood</title>
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						<p>I'm at a complete loss. On the one hand you have Auckland Council agencies going off and spending thousands of dollars on new systems that are already in place with existing councils, then on the other hand we have this bullshit.</p><p>As I said on Twitter: I desperately want the…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172011#post172011</link>
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						If the Copyright Council of NZ had done that, it would be even more deliciously ironic.
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172010#post172010</link>
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						<p>Back when we were trying to put together the T&amp;C for Bardic Web and looking at what other people were doing, we realised that the reason a number of sites would have the same very odd prohibitions was that they'd nicked their entire T&amp;C from someone else's site.</p><p>I can't now find…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:23:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>CarlosNZ</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172009#post172009</link>
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						<p>Is this, in any way, legally enforceable?</p><p>I'm guessing not, but I'd love to see them try. Could be good for a laugh.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:23:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172008#post172008</link>
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						Clearly they want their websites to have lower google rankings eh..
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:20:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172007#post172007</link>
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						Auckland site's back up. No link policy presently, but that some grade-a shink-wrap licencing right there.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:20:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172006#post172006</link>
				<guid>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172006#post172006</guid>
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						*shakes head in disbelief, walks away*
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:18:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172003#post172003</link>
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						Extraordinary.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:15:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172001#post172001</link>
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						<p>See what I did there?</p><p>Anyway, here's a list from a British blog: <a href="http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sites that ban you from linking to them. Still. In 2010</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:09:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-grade-a-lunacy-with-your-money/?p=172000#post172000</link>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:09:20 +1200</pubDate>
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