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Steve Parks

Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:10:40 +1300

Murdoch’s The Australian magazine gets all defensive about Twitter in the wake of suing an academic for tweeting a conference presentation by a journalist about the rag’s editorial position on climate change. How dare those Greens supporters not repeat our party line through new media channels we can’t control!
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Sacha

Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:22:52 +1300

Murdoch's The Australian magazine gets all defensive about Twitter in the wake of suing an academic for tweeting a conference presentation by a journalist about the rag's editorial position on climate change. How dare those Greens supporters not repeat our party line through new media channels we can't control!

Clearheaded…

Rich of Observationz

Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:17:23 +1300

Spot on the money.

Although, it isn't that different a form of life – it's still carbon chemistry, but with As replacing P.

Steve Parks

Fri, 03 Dec 2010 01:09:24 +1300

Thanks for that link.

From it: "Mark feels that the book The Facebook Effect by David Kirkpatrick is more in line with the Facebook true story, ..."

Ah... David Kirkpatrick was the person I was referring to earlier when I mentioned someone criticising Sorkin for "making stuff up". (Kirkpatrick used…

Matthew Littlewood

Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:23:25 +1300

Here’s a pretty interesting comparison between the film and “real life” (warning: SPOILER ALERT), for what it’s worth. To be honest, going by that comparison, it’s no more exaggerated than, say, Bonnie & Clyde , Dog Day Afternoon or All the President’s Men. I think the filmmakers used dramatic licence…

Steve Parks

Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:08:50 +1300

Good observations Matthew. I am planning to make some similar points to much of what you said when I review the movie. So for goodness sake don’t make any more posts on it, or I’ll have nothing new to add!
…although the framing device (we start in a crowded bar…

Kracklite

Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:19:28 +1300

Arsenic…

A rather more cautious blogger suggests that, no, it’s not life on Titan or Enceladus (Cassini doesn’t really have the instruments to make any direct detection of life anyway), but the possibility of life using alternative chemistry having arisen on earth in the past. A significant paper here (pdf,…

Matthew Littlewood

Wed, 01 Dec 2010 23:40:26 +1300

I should also add that it succeeds mostly because it’s not really about facebook at all, but about the sort of personalities who would create such a venture, and how all of them were liable to turn, along with the strangely opaque social networks within Ivy League universities, and that…

Matthew Littlewood

Wed, 01 Dec 2010 23:19:23 +1300

Okay, I’ve just seen The Social Network. A fascinating film in that it’s ultimately very conventional in its rise-and-fall “Rosebud” narrative, something that even the the filmmakers acknowledge, and yet there’s something strangely hypertextual about it- not just in the way it criss-crosses all over the place in terms…

recordari

Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:43:09 +1300

Oops. Wrong thread.

Damn default settings...

recordari

Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:56:58 +1300

You can change the default settings on general life? Man, how come nobody told me this, like, years ago? No wonder it's all felt so wrong for the last few decades!
Echo.

Any one else here reading Iain M. Banks Surface Detail? Page 322. When I want to pretend I'm…

Rich Lock

Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:54:48 +1300

nobody with any sense would trust the default settings.
A maxim you can apply to life generally.

You can change the default settings on general life? Man, how come nobody told me this, like, years ago? No wonder it's all felt so wrong for the last few decades!

There's about…

nzlemming

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:49:05 +1300

That’s a good point, David. The key, good or bad, to Twitter is its immediacy, and to Facebook its pervasiveness.

David Hood

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:45:19 +1300

I'm not on Facebook. Except for photos that I am in that may have been tagged, and posts made by those around me that feature my actions, and the pieces of content I've created over the years that others have displayed and created back to me. So Facebook will have…

chris

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:23:10 +1300

Yes and Yes, not wanting to be too dismissive of the functionality, merely skeptical as to whether it warrants the hype. Both Twitter and Facebook are blocked here, so I'm a total newb to the Twitter, but with the window currently open (...) I'd like to find some of the…

recordari

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:09:09 +1300

At its best, Twitter is severely handicapped by the word limit.

Some may consider this a blessing.

nzlemming

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:08:48 +1300

Workman, tools, sweets ;-)

chris

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:57:59 +1300

I’d still wager that sites such as this (I’m not sure how to categorize it- bbs? forums?) are immeasurably more useful in simplifying the process you mention Sacha, thinking specifically of specialist sites where you’d be privvy to the same info you’re getting on Twitter with more immediate detailed criticism…

Nathaniel Wilson

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:50:15 +1300

You've got me there : )

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:34:16 +1300

the major weakenss of the "new" media, in that there is a lot less critical evaluation of the information coming through

But Nathaniel, you've just critically evaluated the information so I guess the 'publish then filter' new media way is working. Though Jason Kottke is hardly a person of low…

Nathaniel Wilson

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:17:19 +1300

Informed speculation?
Sometimes maybe, but not from that guy. Speculating on what might be in a press conference based on the project workers' CVs and what projects these people have been, in some way, involved in, is hardly what I'd call informed.

Arsenic is used by bacteria as an energy…

Anonymous Author

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:00:38 +1300

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chris

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:48:57 +1300

Twitter? Emphatically.

“This person has protected their tweets.”

From what?

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chris

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:33:49 +1300

Facebook lost all relevance for me when Parker Brothers closed down Zynga’s Risk! knock off: Attack!. What is with these phenomena?

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Jock Shitscream I have a lot of time…

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:11:42 +1300

most people are nicer in the flesh than they are online.

Twitter and Facebook may have differing effects..

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:05:20 +1300

Thanks for commenting, James.

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:04:39 +1300

I'm yet to get the killer tweet that would give me any reason to run Twitter as a background service, rather than something that I only ever check if there's actual live news going on.

It's the best eclectic intelligence engine I've ever seen – but so much of that…

giovanni tiso

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:30:58 +1300

IMHO nobody with any sense would trust the default settings

A maxim you can apply to life generally.

Russell Brown

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:28:47 +1300

Hi there – yes the intention with the page we set up on the Friday night was to provide a social media area for people to give messages of support and a focal point for disseminating information regarding the rescue operation (as it was at the time).
We kept mention…

Russell Brown

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:27:59 +1300

That said, I am on facebook, and use it as a glorified email service, and in that sense it's incredibly useful. I think it was Russell Brown who said that Twitter was illustrative, whereas Facebook was administrative. I think Noel McCarthy's comments on facebook are pretty apposite.

Ahem. I actually…

Robyn Gallagher

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:51:04 +1300

I love the [clique!] meme that's come out of that casual tweet Che made about his friend. I prefer [whanau!], though.

Lilith __

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:47:32 +1300

Isn’t the issue more that Facebook has constantly moved the goalposts over time so that privacy has been reduced?

Not really. There have been multiple sets of changes over the last couple of years, and each new set-up comes with default privacy settings, which you can manually configure to how…

mrjamesmurray

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:34:28 +1300

Hi there – yes the intention with the page we set up on the Friday night was to provide a social media area for people to give messages of support and a focal point for disseminating information regarding the rescue operation (as it was at the time).

We kept mention…

nzlemming

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:33:03 +1300

In a conversation in Twitter the other day, I referred to Facebook as "a legacy application". I signed up to view my sister's pictures (you had to be a member to see anything back then), played a few games of Scrabble, joined a few causes and connected mainly with people…

BlairMacca

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:32:47 +1300

And how media outlets jumping all over something on twitter can blowup in their face
http://tvnz.co.nz/all-blacks/tialata-nonu-pay-220-pounds-cab-ride-3924542

nzlemming

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:22:28 +1300

He didn't state it that clearly, but obviously he means that while you can make a link, the link is useless to those without itunes software. All those people who bought beatles downloads necessarily had the software, no?

What Sir Tim misses (and I'm not ragging on him – full…

Pete Sime

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:18:31 +1300

I try and keep control of my name online, which means I've signed up to Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin and have a user profile filled out on Wikipedia. I'm still somewhat annoyed that a company dealing in egg incubation equipment is still the top result on a Google search when you…

BenWilson

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:08:52 +1300

Incidentally, I find it amazing how many people I've had in dialogue through message boards for years and when I finally meet them in person I immediately hit it off. I caught up with several in London, recently.

I'm getting less amazed by this as time passes, and it keeps…

recordari

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:08:36 +1300

Twitter. Failed. Thrice. I'm planning a group; 'Twitter wasn't all that'. Acronym pending.

Have been through the same dilemma as Ben on FB. A friend's mother??!!! I accepted!!!!

Being human, arguably, I suffer periods of self-doubt and low self-esteem, and during such times social media can be a double-edged sword.…

BenWilson

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:55:25 +1300

Also on the hypervigilance note, I'm yet to get the killer tweet that would give me any reason to run Twitter as a background service, rather than something that I only ever check if there's actual live news going on. I just don't need to be connected that much, and…

Matthew Littlewood

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:46:57 +1300

Incidentally, I find it amazing how many people I've had in dialogue through message boards for years and when I finally meet them in person I immediately hit it off. I caught up with several in London, recently.

The funniest example is actually Grant McDougall- we both posted on Mojo…

BenWilson

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:45:47 +1300

I've got a business colleague in permanent friend request limbo on FB, just can't decide whether I want to open that door. Well, actually I'm certain I don't want to open it, but I don't want to reject them openly either. It's the marketing guy, and I know he'll have…

Matthew Littlewood

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:44:40 +1300

A while back I posted this on Gladwell's article:

I’m hardly a fan of Gladwell- in fact I find a lot of his work incredibly glib and prone to manufacturing arguments by cherry-picking examples that fit and leaving out the rest…but I think this sort of was his point. Facebook,…

Rich Lock

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:41:29 +1300

an outpouring of actual grief for a virtual persona.

In much the same way as the Prime Minister of the UK was moved to actual comment in the House of Commons on the plight of the entirely fictional character Deirdre Rashid of Coronation Street.

The flip side of this is…

Anonymous Author

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:26:15 +1300

you think you exist
The ubiquity of social media, its amalgam of people, sobriquets and avatars, and its associated cult of celebrity, will inevitably lead to an outpouring of actual grief for a virtual persona.

This will begin in an insignificant way. For instance, a forum, upon losing the contribution…

andrea quin

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:09:25 +1300

Well, actually, you can make a web link to any item on the iTunes Store

He didn't state it that clearly, but obviously he means that while you can make a link, the link is useless to those without itunes software. All those people who bought beatles downloads necessarily had…

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:02:48 +1300

Isn't the issue more that Facebook has constantly moved the goalposts over time so that privacy has been reduced?

Lilith __

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:43:19 +1300

it’s difficult to argue with some of the points Gladwell raises about social media

Well this is why there are FB privacy settings, lists and groups! You can design your own custom privacy settings for every single thing you post, if you can be bothered, and you can manage that…

Sarah Wedde

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:38:50 +1300

Humans act like humans whatever the medium they have at their disposal. Doesn't it all come down to changing your own behaviour if something doesn't work for you? Everything we do has costs and benefits associated with it. Something something cake.

Disclaimer: I am not on Facebook.

Sacha

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:28:42 +1300

it’s difficult to argue with some of the points Gladwell raises about social media

Some commentators have argued convincingly that he misses the point for contextual reasons like the one you suggest. This recent story from The Nation mag focuses on Gladwell's position on online organising. Personally, I continue to…

3410

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:11:14 +1300

"Live" chat with the PM now on.

Jackie Clark

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:59:13 +1300

I'm not big on Facebook anymore – you get more info from Twitter, really. I had thought of discontinuing my facebook page, but for the fact that it's the only way I ever hear from my bro in Berlin. As for friends etc, most of mine are people I know…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:11:34 +1300

thankfully, 3 News did not try to own that Facebook page – just a discreet note that it was 'associated with them"

Yeah, so "discreet" I didn't notice it when a link landed in my inbox. Think that was an accident, and there's nothing troubling about a news organisationm setting…

Nick Houldsworth

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:36:58 +1300

When they’re so well researched and eloquently written, it’s difficult to argue with some of the points Gladwell raises about social media. But could it be that the ‘lessening level of motivation [to participate]’ he identifies is less a consequence of the platform, and more a symptom of a postwar…

Sarah King

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:26:39 +1300

I'm having some interesting conversations with my "early adopter" friends about facebook. Most never went for the huge friend counts but did accept friends who were business contacts and acquaintances. They're now rethinking this and creating business "pages" where they can connect with business contacts or sending them to Linked…

giovanni tiso

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:05:29 +1300

who wrote an insightful column last week about the tensions between Facebook "friendship" and the needs of real friends

That she did.

Phil Lyth

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:58:33 +1300

thankfully, 3 News did not try to own that Facebook page – just a discreet note that it was 'associated with them"

and wow, the RIP Pike River Miners page drew 300,000 people within a few days

Public Address

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:58:33 +1300

Discussion from blog post.