My fault, I misread that latter sentence. (In fairness to me, you do sometimes put commas, in odd places.)

I smoke a lot, and my typist is pretty much putting it down, verbatim.

Lesson I have learned is 'just 'aim for the bowl, taslov, and avoid any mess''

PAS has taught you well.

I was inclined to disagree, as we all know New Zealand is a police state and they really would imprudently start turning average Jonny's internet off pronto; )

The thing is I wasn't sure if Simon…

I think Simon's right. I doubt that the hyperbole you referred to helped the campaign much.

exactly.

It's not that I think pop is a lousy artform that can't aspire to more than bubblegum, it's just that I find Lily Allen's stuff to be adequate entertaining pop, rather than genuinely standout, that's all.

She's a great lyricist, genuinely funny, witty and entertaining with the right mix of…

So where you say Simon;

God god, its probably the piece of dirt that's furthest from being a police state on this planet....please...this sort of stuff helps nobody

I'd have to disagree, that this kind of rhetoric, has been invaluable in disarming the passers of this legislation however temporarily.

I…

or, pure urinational acquisitator-

that latter, i think!

Pretty outlandish hysterical connections being made there for legislation that criminalizes no one, by…

So it's highly likely that if s92c gets implemented, there *will* be RIANZ functionaries looking for torrent seeds with NZ IP addresses and banging out disconnection notices.

That I think is highly unlikely. It's about threat rather than anything else. They simply don't have the resources or the manpower.

NZ…

So it's highly likely that if s92c gets implemented, there *will* be RIANZ functionaries looking for torrent…

Oh, you rockists!

Hey, not guilty I say! I listen to a whole bunch of stuff, and love a good pop song as much as anyone (and rock features a lot less in my musical tastes than was once the case).

It's not that I think pop is a lousy…

okay as pop goes

Oh, you rockists!

BTW, Of Montreal were great last night, if anyone in Wellington is still tossing them up...

I wouldn't go out of my way to hear Lily Allen's new stuff either, but what I have bumped into by chance has been okay as pop goes.

I like Lilly Allen. I like the fact that her songs are witty and about something and are generally good pop music.…

The day when Katy Perry vanishes from the ether, on the other hand, will be a blessed relief.

FOAD gobby shite

I am always rather suspicious of the 'she's such a *loudmouth*' thing about female musicians.

I just have a thing for Teremoana..

Same, but not that way. I've just always had a soft spot for both her and Danny. Nice folks and v. talented.

Increasingly the opinion seems to be FOAD gobby shite.

Had shockingly mixed reviews but my 14 yr old is a huge…

Can we get copyright credits for buying the same album on vinyl, cassette and CD

I've read about people manipulating amazon.com through purchasing their own music repeatedly (eg 100 times) to create enable them to brandjack the "people who bought this album also bought" recommendation. Then re-sold the (physical) albums,…

Story of her whole life.

Apart from her songs, which are really good. Right? Right.

Hey Sacha, where's 'Horified One'? I loved that single too. :)

Consider yourself special...it's perhaps a little surprising that you still have access to dissident blogs and Gmail ;-)

Yeah, us damn natives, with our overpopulation and refusal to snap to the march of the red white and blue. Special as.

In the case of Ms Allen it was a little bit smoke and mirrors.

Story of her whole life. I wasn't trying to claim the Internet was *the* reason for her success. Just that she used it very cleverly.

If you wander through this interview Ms Allen,…

I'd like credits for buying the same Elvis Costello albums on CD *three times*. Greedy bastard.

You're not a true fan until you've bought the special release on wax cylinder.

anonymisers

vital if you have an Indonesian IP. American servers think we're all phishing terrorists

eMusic remains my online music store of choice, plus Amplifier for the locals.

Exactamundo. Proof that if it's quick, easy and focused on their customers, they will come.

Although several times I've yelped at the availability of a much wanted new release on eMusic only to find the dreaded words…

Another frustration is the lack of access to the US iTunes store. There are lots of iTunes only releases of rare Dylan performances That I cannot buy.

Sometimes, I really hate the iTunes Store. There are the geographical differences you note, and the fact that it's much more mainstream than…

How are the singles charts calculated in NZ these days?

Digitally...there are no more physical singles. The good old days are sadly gone and chart rigging, at least for singles has gone the way of the wax cylinder. The album charts though.....

Once they'd done that, the demand would lessen…

I love the way we can now draw, rather unashamably from whenever we want to create, and think most of the credit for that change comes from the worlds of hip-hop and electronic music. Technology and digital access just made it more accessible.

Yes, but they also gained some of…

Another frustration is the lack of access to the US iTunes store. There are lots of iTunes only releases of rare Dylan performances That I cannot buy.

Any record execs here?…

the big boost in sales in the 80's and early 90's could have been due to people replacing vinyl with CDs.

Can we get copyright credits for buying the same album on vinyl, cassette and CD?

I recall Mr Grigg posting some time ago about the vagaries of the kiwi charts.

How are the singles charts calculated in NZ these days? I recall hearing that the store managers for the likes of HMV (or whatever it was in the '90's) used to have a bit of a weekly game among themselves to see…

Catalogue acquisition is what made Universal the biggest of all the majors and even if they stopped releasing new acts, which for a couple of the majors ain't outside the realms of possibility and has been much discussed, they'd still turn a hefty profit.

Presumably there will continue to be…

Arctic Monkeys achieved their success through fan-made demo tapes.They were heralded as one of the first acts to come to the public attention via the Internet, with commentators suggesting they represented the possibility of a change in the way…

Arctic Monkeys?

Wikipedia indicates:

Their first single after signing to Domino, "I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor", was released on 17 October 2005 and went straight to #1 on the UK Singles Chart

Dunno that much about them.

Much scoffing at suggestion that people are actually breaking through/out without support.

Arctic Monkeys?

Consider yourself special...it's perhaps a little surprising that you still have access to dissident blogs and Gmail ;-)

Is PA a dissident blog, then? How neat! ;-)

i also suspect that radio becoming even more conservative than 30 years ago (and the rise of music tv channels) has made it even harder to break new acts

Happened to have coffee with Dubber and another radio guy a month or 2 ago, where this was discussed (perhaps Dubber…

you confirm what i suspected. i also suspect that radio becoming even more conservative than 30 years ago (and the rise of music tv channels) has made it even harder to break new acts. if it weren't for the internet, no one would find out about anything new! (only…

Send You

my personal favourite nz album of all time.

(P.I.T. Song was No.1 in the bFM alternative top 10 before the album was even released)

so the industry stats say that there is more new stuff being sold (allowing for inflation) than, say, 25 years ago?

The ratio of new to old has tipped towards the older but I don't know the ratio. Certainly major labels' return from catalogue as a percentage has vastly increased…

Thank goodness for the text link beneath the auto-embedded clip.

Safari, Firefox, IE7 all seem fine.
Opera aint.

racists! this video is not available in your country...

Consider yourself special...it's perhaps a little surprising that you still have access to dissident blogs and Gmail ;-)

Was my reference obvious enough
– that Sid is part of Smashproof.

Who is the video by?

Chris Graham.

Is it :
the TCF and another party? eg (RIANZ)
Tele-Xtra and Voda-hug?

but the reason i find it disconcerting that teens seem to love all this old stuff is that (a) they aren't rebelling; and (b) surely it shrinks the market (live/recorded) for new stuff. no?

a) they're rebelling against the marketing machines' desire that they only listen to the new hotness…

but there is still this strange juxtaposition of much more stuff and greater willingness to…

Who is the video by?

dunno but it's very Kerry Brown-ish (but not him I'm pretty sure)

For sure, although there was some fun in going and finding that old stuff when I were a lad.

[random thoughts] Yep, but things moved very very fast...think four years between Love Me Do and Tomorrow Never Knows for example, whereas much of what is being made in 2009 could…

Part of why they listen is because they can.

For sure, although there was some fun in going and finding that old stuff when I were a lad.

There are great chunks of the back catalogue of New Zealand musical culture that you might never hear again, if they hadn't…

thanks for those clips, very interesting!

Smashproof, on Kirk Harding, an expat NZer's label, MTC. It deserves to be:

That's great --- a whole mix of influences on a really local vibe. Who is the video by?

I confess, it's new to me. I kind of thought Smashproof were some westie hard rock band ...

i can't get over so many young things wanting to listen to so many artists that have been around since well before they were born. we had hardly any interest in anything made much before we were born until we were much older (30s?)

By 1975 EMI NZ had deleted…

btw, who is at No. 1? (pls excuse my ingnorance)

Smashproof, on Kirk Harding, an expat NZer's label, MTC. It deserves to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQBXbIsENw

And here's another local tune that deserves some attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJoUP0Rx93o

That's a little disappointing, as John Barnett has been generally pretty much on the money in the past.

The guy is truly gifted, and the culture owes him a lot. But he's always been fairly maximalist on copyright issues.

Someone should have checked this press release from John Barnett of South Pacific Pictures, because it shows a fairly shocking lack of understanding of a range of laws:

That's a little disappointing, as John Barnett has been generally pretty much on the money in the past. It might be worth…

Did we notice that Dylan Horrock's cartoon is now leading on the Pirate Bay?

yes we (I) did – I'm traveling today and access to The Pirate Bay, even to read their press releases, is blocked in the Koru Club – apparently business people are timid wee things and must…

NZ act has the number one NZ single (and on an NZ indie too)

Illegal use of material on the Internet threatens the livelihood of writers, actors, directors, producers, musicians and artists.

We need legislation to protect this, and s92a does just that.

I don't think that pronoun refers to what you think it refers to.

And yeah, headline should be "South Pacific pictures supports…

John Barnett says, “This section [92A] is the front line protection for copyright holders, whose work is being stolen on a constant…

Couldn't help but notice that this article citing 'the world' made mention of as many as 3 countries. time for some realignment.

You missed the tags:

All computer dialogs, especially Virus Detected or Access Denied are displayed full screen.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20090224-0721-Controversial_copryright_analysis-048.mp3

Quote du jour:

"are you going to leave this law on the books even though it is, ah, rubbish?"

I'm unconvinced you could register as…

I wonder if that function will become part of the bittorrent clients sometime soon.

Exactly. Last year I switched to a bittorrent client which used encoding, as my ISP was strangling my old client.

The demand is there, the technology will move ahead.

I have another article link (for those interested), that describes some innovative ways that some record labels are using to combat the piracy problem:

http://www.fastcompany.com/resources/marketing/manners/112904.html?page=0%2C0

An IP address doesn't identify users in the same way a registration plate on a car leads to the driver of the vehicle (and even that can be easily faked).…

"The Goofy Clusterfuck"

Is that any relation to the legendary wrap party after one of Disney's most famous movies, the Snow White Orgy?

Disney, as a large corporation and owner of the ABC TV network, was able to pressure the US Congress into extending copyright terms.

Hence the nickname of the bill, "Mickey Mouse Protection Act" ("The Goofy Clusterfuck" was already taken).

Why so uncommunicatively (?) long?

Disney made a lot of classic films and bought the rights to various books, like Winnie The Pooh, starting in the 1930's. With a 75 year (or 50 years after the author's death for the book rights) copyright term, these would now have expired and…

Although content providers are increasingly relying on systematic monitoring of P2P networks as a basis for deterring copyright infringement, some currently used methods of identifying infringing users are not conclusive. Through extensive measurement of tens of…

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:SXrxaep9jdIJ:dmca.cs.washington.edu/uwcse_dmca_tr.pdf+p2p+DCMA+detection&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz

RIANZ says its evidence is “highly reliable, well-tested and accepted worldwide”.

Later in TFA we read this:

RIANZ does not want the notices sent out to users accused of infringement to include evidence that would be admissible in court.

You see, as Stephen so rightly said, they *know* their evidence…

the primary social role of a good government is to keep people happy.

something makes me a little uncomfortable with that statement.

Sounds like someone needs a gramme of soma. Remember citizen, a gramme is better than a damn!

While the Code may act as a de facto regulatory framework,…

Don't really wish to be a negative nancy, but wouldn't it be prudent to at least wait until March 27 before declaring "victory"?

Maybe, but getting any movement at all from the Government, is a significant step, after the resolute stonewalling from officials and elected members.

The TCF policy is…

the primary social role of a good government is to keep people happy.

something makes me a little uncomfortable with that statement.

What I was trying to get to – we are now at the point where a fair number of people know that S92a etc. is a bad idea /

what I don't get ( and I've been looking for some time.) is some form of useful alternative to the wider…

One of the great democratic impacts of information sharing was demonstrated in the comments…

Congratulations people the good work with 92a. Proud of you all. Not least the pig-fucker. First time in a while that I can recall seeing some real democracy in action in New Zealand.

It's worth a listen, if you can get throught…

Christ, that was a Wendy Petrie moment. Is it just me or are tv1's newsreaders getting even more prone to telling us how we should feel/think after stories?

And when they have won, judges have not generally agreed with their estimates of the loss they have suffered.

One. One is the number of cases the RIAA have actually won and that has been declared a mistrial (Jammie Thomas) because the judge decided he'd…

Marched against nuclear armed ships in '83.

Refused on a number of occasions to sign the petition against the Hmosexuality law reform in iirc, 85. Sort of an anti protest, but still. I got abuse for it so it felt…

In addition, any network that requires you to logon to the workstation will have…

I CAN HAZ EDIT BUTTON PLZ.

RIANZ says its evidence is “highly reliable, well-tested and accepted worldwide”. The evidence is synched to a trusted atomic time source, and based on ICANN (APNIC) information on the allocation of IP address spaces, RIANZ continues.

Folks, it's pretty hard to…

I do wonder if the larger media companies had been willing to re-examine their business model earlier

But they almost never do. They get "advice" from a bunch of suits who have a vested interest in the fight... as Andrew said the other night, the only people making money in…

the technology doesn't replace the artists, it replaces the middle men

Mr C, nicely put. This is what my less than coherent rants are about... my metaphor is Old White Men. Over the years I've watched what are almost invariably wealthy, anonymous OWM hold back the progress of society, not…

This stupid, stupid law would have meant the end of public internet, or at least prevented it from being free. I was concerned…

APRA don't have any corporate masters just to be clear. AMCOS on the other hand does.

Just so everyone's clear on AMCOS... From the APRA site:
"While APRA and AMCOS are independent companies, since 1 July 1997, APRA has managed the affairs of AMCOS and the organisations staff and offices…

Or is that still too hard for everyone.

It is hard. Witness the back and forth on the current copyright thread, which is up to 40 pages, some of which has even been amicable. There are some entrenched positions and some very different understandings and that's without any of the…

Indeed. I do like to think I'm a reasonable sort of pig-fucker.

The man has a way with words.

And with pigs apparently.

Maybe now's also the time for some more grass-roots rights holder's organisations to spring up and join the negotiations

what I don't get ( and I've been looking for some time.) is some form of useful alternative to the wider…

Indeed. I do like to think I'm a reasonable sort of pig-fucker.

The man has a way with words.

Creative Commons is definitely a part of the next generation of copyright, but I doubt the big labels and studios will buy into it. Then again, there's a good number of scifi authors now who simultaneously release copyright books on paper and CC-licensed ebooks. Not sure if that really…

Considering the Prime Minister said he'd 'seen a couple of articles' about the issue (or similar) this time last week that's quite an achievement.

Is that creative commons or something else?

Kudos to everyone who worked so hard, and stayed so reasonable, achieving this result

Indeed. I do like to think I'm a reasonable sort of pig-fucker.

Government announces delay in 92A enactment until March 29. If no agreement by then, it will be suspended.

Hopefully this means the copyfight bomb will be defused, rather than the fuse being made longer.

Wow... Generally if I take part in a cause, it's only to see it fail. Weird.

Indeed, I have some serious cognitive problems with success.

Kudos to everyone who worked so hard, and stayed so reasonable, achieving this result.

Thanks – so I guess it's a more informal thing with Government deciding if most major parties seem to be happy enough.

That's the weird thing. There's no formal right in the law for RIANZ et al to have a view on the TCF code — it's more of a…

Great work to all those who put pressure on over this. Now we just need to follow-it through and make sure it happens the way we need it to.

The Telecommunications Carriers Forum has written the draft code for its members and is negotiating with RIANZ et al. But that doesn't cover the other parties likely to be regarded as ISPs under the law.

Thanks – so I guess it's a more informal thing with Government deciding if most…

Who is the group that provides formal agreement?

The Telecommunications Carriers Forum has written the draft code for its members and is negotiating with RIANZ et al. But that doesn't cover the other parties likely to be regarded as ISPs under the law.

I feel for them too – people want no-DRM, full-access, free-to-distribute, easily-copied examples of their work and seem to see no ground to be given.

I do wonder if the larger media companies had been willing to re-examine their business model earlier, and had not made legitimately purchased downloadable product…

Result!

Wow... Generally if I take part in a cause, it's only to see it fail. Weird.

Government announces delay in 92A enactment until March 29. If no agreement by then, it will be suspended.

Hat-tip: MsBehaviour on Twitter.

My reading is that this puts pressure on the owners' lobby to deal.

Even if agreement reached, government to monitor first six months and review.

I do understand that the copyright owners have felt under siege on this one.

I feel for them too – people want no-DRM, full-access, free-to-distribute, easily-copied examples of their work and seem to see no ground to be given.

As much as DRM is a shite response (and 92A a…

Meh... any reputation that can be materially damaged by a 'roid on the body politics like Michael Laws, probably isn't worth defending.

Agree, to a point. He clearly has an audience of devoted listeners. And we all know what the bite of a rabid dog can lead to.

But now I have a black square, which I shall regard as an homage to Kasimir Malevich.

Damn, I thought it was homage to the record company's revised album cover to Spinal Tap's Smell The Glove.

No names, but if he had named someone there may have been work for defamation lawyers.

Meh... any reputation that can be materially damaged by a 'roid on the body politics like Michael Laws, probably isn't worth defending.

However, that brings up the interesting issue that under the TCF model, only you, the complaintant, could assess that – the ISP to whom you complained…

Simon – I'm sure you're right – they don't represent me though, nor do they really a lot of musicians in the small – I'm sure they haven't asked all the musicians they claim to represent about this issue

I agree, which is why in my blog post last week…

Reading the TCF proposal one thing that's interesting is that it creates two classes of rights holders, essentially them and us – the 'recognised rights holders' (the rich guys) who will pay less every time they report an infringement, and us who will have to pay more...

As far as…

APRA have deep pockets from their corporate masters

APRA don't have any corporate masters just to be clear. AMCOS on the other hand does. But APRA in theory represents creators....ie songwriters.

Well said

Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

Enough of your sarcasm, I/S. You should stop bloggnig about the flowers in the meadows and start tackling important social issues. Like Michael Laws, you know.

Thanks for the Blend

Seconded.

Russell, I was going to introduce myself, but since you were tired/busy/otherwise engaged, I just kind of nodded in passing. Next time.

And while we're talking about the Blend, in the Q&A after the interview, someone asked what I thought was a rather odd question about…

Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

No names, but if he had named someone there may have been work for defamation lawyers.

He used the s92A debate to say some extraordinarily vicious things about bloggers generally (the usual never-wash, have-no-girlfriend stuff).

Did he name any names, or just froth in general?

Michael Laws was spitting and frothing at the mouth on his radio show this morning over the blogging…

Thank you for the interviews! Utterly baffling about the exporting to the web problems though. Maybe professional television people should invest in an ancient MacBook, a copy of iMovie, and a 10 year old.

Well, yeah. If I hadn't been out of town, I'd have seen if I could get…

Sadly I missed the great Blend but I did manage to catch some of Andrew Dubber's comments on Kim Hills programme earlier in the day.

I'm wondering if he / you anyone else at Great blend (Webstock and / Foo) managed to shed any more light rather than heat…

Also really enjoyed and was inspired by your talk at Webstock. And was astounded to see…

Thanks for the Blend. I didn't quite know what to expect, and found it fascinating

Thanks. I thought it went really well, but despite my best efforts, we only have fairly ropey video coverage. We'll do better next time on that front.

Thanks for the Blend. I didn't quite know what to expect, and found it fascinating. Only a shame we had to duck out in time for the ferry so perhaps missed out on discussion / CD. And where's my PVR ;-) ?

So glad my significant other…

Even if they feel hard done by, I hope the rights holders can accept that the people protesting have been motivated by principle, rather than personality.

I never felt hard done by and I certainly accept the motivations you ascribe to the CFF.

Welcome back!

I got some work done!