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				<title>David Hamilton</title>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's that day again</p></blockquote><p>International Speech Impediment Day?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sept 2007 11:36:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Palmer</title>
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						<p>>Take today's comedy gem that was the Destiny Church/ Gordon >Copeland political announcement &ndash; a perfect example.</p><p>Ar matey, sorry, I'm not about gettin' yer point. A perfect example of what, would that be now? When that item was draggin' itself onto the One News I 'ad to be tellin'…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sept 2007 11:22:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>I was mulling over whether not to add my 2 cents worth to this thread given some of the comments directed at my profession. </p><p>But what the hell, maybe I might be able to add something of value.</p><p>One of the major issues facing journalism over the past 15 years…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sept 2007 21:26:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>I'm glad someone mentioned Ben Goldacre.</p><p>Seems to me that a good proportion of the problems with accurate reporting of tech/science stuff could be boiled down to: most people working in journalism don't actually have a technical background, but have what for want of a better word we could refer…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sept 2007 18:05:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=512" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wisdom for newspapers from Ben Goldacre</a>.</p><p>Money quote: <em>Do not under any circumstance employ anyone from TV. They do not know how to help you: they are the problem, and the reason we come to you instead. Concentrate on the ideas.</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sept 2007 17:34:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And one final bitch to get the bile out of my system: The day Deborah Coddington (of all people), writing in the <em>Herald on Sunday</em> (who managed to have Sharon Shipton unemployed and leaving her  husband, to her considerable surprise) becomes a credible source of ethical instruction to anyone, the…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 21:38:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I strongly believe that blogging should be about more than taking umbrage at the "MSM", but really ...</p></blockquote><p>Well, yes, but irony squared: Anyone remember what <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/blog/index.cfm?c_id=1501219" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the second blog post from the political editor of the <em>Herald</em></a> was about?</p><p>For all us illiterate, factually-challenged psychotics out there, here's the headline…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 21:32:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						<p>Ignorant / inflammatory posters are a minor sore in running any website.</p><p>But over at Sportsfreak we were hacked over the weekend by some Ghost61 creep (who is apparently well known).  Embarrassing, time-wasting, annoying etc; it’s all sorted out now, but I do have a lot of sympathy for the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:54:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Given that my sources tell me that that journalist responded to my post on the matter by dismissing me as "some nutter" ...I don't feel any compunction at the use of the word "ignorant".</p></blockquote><p>That's right.  He's not "some nutter".  He's <em>our</em> nutter.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:15:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Actually, while I think of it, the Herald's recent daft Wikipedia story was <em>not</em> a case of an inexperienced reporter, but the result of an ignorant senior journalist demanding that a a young reporter wrote a story he knew to be silly.</p><p>Given that my sources tell me that that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:09:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						I have to say that one thing which came out of the MediaDefender email malarkey was that I've gone and changed the password to my gmail account.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:05:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What, you mean the same status as The Herald's elevation of Mike Moore and Jim Anderton trying to beat each other to death with their walking frames to real, live news?</p></blockquote><p>Excellent point, given the not-so-much-a-meal-as-a-seven-course-banquet the Herald made of <em>that</em> ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:03:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Writing any old cr*p in an blog comments thread hasn't (until now?) had the same status.</p></blockquote><p>What, you mean the same status as The Herald's elevation of Mike Moore and Jim Anderton trying to beat each other to death with their walking frames to real, live news?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 17:01:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>I'm 38 and have known who Keith Holyoake was most of my life (I was at primary school in Gisborne with some of his grand-kids).</p><p>Going back to uni as a, ahem, mature student gives you a new perspective on such stuff. You say something like "When David Lange was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 16:45:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						I would say that any chief reporter or editor worth their salt would try and milk the Zaoui story for all its worth and that means exploiting any possible angle. Public reaction is an obvious one. That was the intention with regards to blogging and forums even if Tony 2…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						And one more MediaDefender update before I get back to work. The latest leaks include an MP3 and transcript of a phone conversation between MediaDefender staff and the New York Attorney General's office and a 14GB "Gnutella Tracking Database" grabbed from a MediaDefender server. The people responsible are claiming to…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 15:26:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If two people wrote letters to the editor (or, I think in this case, one person wrote a letter to the editor, and another person wrote a letter quoting the first), then it wouldn't be news.</p></blockquote><p>Three words:</p><p>  Slow</p><p>  News</p><p>  Day</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 15:24:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Interesting link, Stephen. This makes a delightful quote:</p><p>"Ms. Itoh is one of them. Ms. Itoh, a homemaker in the central city of Nagoya, did not want her full name used because her husband still does not know. After cleaning the dinner dishes, she would spend her evenings buying and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 15:12:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Oh right. And one of the emails pots MediaDefender management encouraging staff to remove information about their MiVii "honeypot" site from the Wikipedia article about MediaDefender ...</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MediaDefender" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MediaDefender</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 15:09:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the internet was flooded with y'know... dozens at least... of people trashing on Zaoui, then that could be news.</p></blockquote><p>Well, umm there are a few more than dozens over at <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=549&amp;objectid=10463342" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NZ Hearld</a>.  I think there are 38 pages worth of opinion on there.  But of course my time is too…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Off-topic, but back a way we spent some time talking about the mythical Japanese housewife.</p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/business/worldbusiness/16housewives.html?em&amp;ex=1190088000&amp;en=c48c75979d83a654&amp;ei=5087%0A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">She's real and freaking out</a>.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>One chief reporter I know had her work cut out explaining who Scooter Libby was to her young charges. I didn't envy her. </p><p>There are three Tonys at TVNZ. One does sport and got into some trouble some time ago on Radio Sport for likening the Williams sisters to apes.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						BTW, the guy with the HTML threaded version of the MediaDefender emails is <a href="http://jrwr.hopto.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">back on a 15mbit connection in Norway</a>. Endless fun.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ok so what about <em>Ask My Milfs</em> and it's on C4, right?</p></blockquote><p>So <em>that's</em> TV3's secret plan for Freeview ...</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm with Robyn here. In context, what people are saying on the internet is news, in the same way that vox pops, polls and protests are news.</p></blockquote><p>Meh. If two people wrote letters to the editor (or, I think in this case, one person wrote a letter to the editor,…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Having more older people on telly is a superb idea...</p></blockquote><p>yeah, bring back <strong>JUDY BAILEY!!</strong>  <br />I just want the news read, not a NILF ...</p><blockquote><p>I wholeheartedly agree. As an "expert" whose phone number is in a few contacts lists, I've had many camera crews around over the years</p></blockquote><p>Phew, so…</p>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						<p>> I was in earnest, and Ask Your Aunties was exactly <br />> what I was thinking of. Although not all the Aunties <br />> are Nana-age.</p><p>ok so what about <em>Ask My Milfs</em> and it's on C4, right?  ;></p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						Please, RB, be my guest. And now for my quotable views on the other important issues of the day... :-)
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But if you're vox-popped or polled, or participate in a protest, you know you have a reasonable chance of being news. Writing any old cr*p in an blog comments thread hasn't (until now?) had the same status.</p></blockquote><p>Can I quote you on that? ;-)</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>you wouldn't see "Old people discuss how Zaoui should be kicked out while drinking tea" as a headline.</p></blockquote><p>That's exactly the sort of thing that scrolls across the bottom of the screen on <em>The Chaser</em>.</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm with Robyn here. In context, what people are saying on the internet is news, in the same way that vox pops, polls and protests are news.</p></blockquote><p>But if you're vox-popped or polled, or participate in a protest, you know you have a reasonable chance of being news. Writing any…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em> Anonymous internet posts often give us a conduit into what people think but are too scared to openly say.</em></p><p>That's a bit of a sad indictment on journalists. There's plenty of good stuff out there on the internet &ndash; good quality professional and amateur investigation which has ended up…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not many people would be prepared to go on camera and say, "Ahmed Zaoui should go back to where he came from!" But such opinions do exist, whether they're expressed verbally, on the internet, or silently held as thoughts.</p><p>Anonymous internet posts often give us a conduit into what people…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's called Ask Your Aunties and it's on Maori Television. Sorry to end your TV production career so brutally soon.</p></blockquote><p>Damn murrays! It's all because of that treaty. Knew we shouldn't have signed it.</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How many news reporters (Damian excluded) are smarter than a 5 year old?</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the compliment (if being called 'smarter than a 5 year old' is much to be proud of), but I'd argue that most journos I work with are pretty smart.  Though it's probably fair to say…</p>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and the unfortunate tendency for experienced journalists to bugger off to PR</p></blockquote><p>Experience is not always an advantage, as the writer can reflect an ingrained view of a situation.  I absolutely agree the standard of our NZ journalism is lower than it should be.  However, I would council against confusing…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My 5 year old's class have a class wiki that they can all update from home.</p></blockquote><p>That is such a great idea. And then I get all down again because it wouldn't work at my kids' decile three school, where about 80% of the kids have no home internet. It…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<p>My 5 year old's class have a class wiki that they can all update from home. All us crusty old parents were invited in to be shown what a wiki was and how to drive one.<br />How many news reporters (Damian excluded) are smarter than a 5 year old?</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						Well, I'm 35 and I know who Keith Holyoake was. But then, my ten year old knows who David Lange was.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but how many 35 year olds don't know who Keith Holyoake is? Most of them, I'd wager.</p></blockquote><p>I'm 35, I know who Keith Holyoake was, I also know that arachnids are spiders and have 4 pairs of legs, and that a comet is larger than a meteor. I am therefore…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 13:07:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It should (maybe?) be seen as something of an advance that journalists are actually USING blogs as a source of story ideas, quotes and so forth, rather than just doing stories ABOUT this 'brand-new' concept called blogging.</p></blockquote><p>Only three years ago I was interviewed on the telly for a blog…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 13:07:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						<p>Being sexist and ageist is not cutey-cutey. </p><p>Having more older people on telly is a superb idea... it would spare us a lot of egg-sucking advice from early school leavers who came down in the last shower.</p>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...leaving a 20 year old in their place, you could say they're actually less expert than many of us. When a journo doesn't know who David Lange is, for example, you might have cause to despair.</p></blockquote><p>True, but how many 35 year olds don't know who Keith Holyoake is? Most…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						I can visualise the awesome knitted tea cosys and anzac biscuits already.......
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 12:53:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						I was in earnest, and Ask Your Aunties was exactly what I was thinking of. Although not all the Aunties are Nana-age.
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<p>Yes, lets not tarr our "maternal ancestors" with the same brush as Kiwi blogger comment section types.  <br />My nana is very onto it.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does anyone have a contact for nz on air? I gotta get dibs on it before some TVNZ reporter reads this and gives that Russell Brown credit for the idea.</p></blockquote><p>It's called <em>Ask Your Aunties</em> and it's on Maori Television. Sorry to end your TV production career so brutally soon.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						My Nana thought he <i>wasn't</i> a terrorist. But they'd never put *that* on the TV.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 12:19:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We could empanel a few nanas with a teapot and biscuits</p></blockquote><p>Lovely turn of phrase :)</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kyle, I think you have just come up with a brilliant concept. We could empanel a few nanas with a teapot and biscuits and get some riveting television...</p></blockquote><p>Does anyone have a contact for nz on air? I gotta get dibs on it before some TVNZ reporter reads this and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 12:16:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><em>one would have thought that the younger journos coming through would have a more (oft misunderstood word) native understanding of all things inter-webby</em></p><p>My observation as a person who learned inter-webby things the hard way, a long time ago, is that the young person's "native understanding" of inter-webby is often…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 12:11:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>As well as lazy journalism, it's also not 'news'.</p><p>"People talk a bunch of shit on the internet".</p><p>How does something being on the internet make it news, other than the fact that a reporter can access it from their desk?</p><p>I mean you wouldn't see "Old people discuss how…</p>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and the unfortuate tendency for experienced journalists to bugger off to PR</p></blockquote><p>Thats a whole interesting can of worms in itself there Russell &ndash; without wanting to get into a defence of PR &ndash; but why are experienced journos moving on (I assume usually for money) and why aren't media…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Power Line <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/08/018271.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">caught MSNBC</a> attributing a quote from Al Sharpton about whether the prosecution of Michael Vick was racist. It was actually from the <em>fake</em> Al Sharpton's blog.</p><p>The item on Power Line was also worth noting for being worth reading. Time magazine's "blog of the year" has gone a…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You end up not so much commenting as explaining the story to them. Most of what you say turns up in the script and you're onscreen for about 15 seconds with a soundbite.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah but I think in fairness that is part of the point of the interview, no?  Otherwise…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>You can't acknowledge anyone other than anointed experts, outside the confines of the vox pop.</p><p>Otherwise, you might confer status on that person by mistake, and then people would wonder about that, and the flimsy weave of media authority would unravel, and before you know it people would start wondering…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I wish there could be a little more research done so they could provide a balanced story. Checking facts and posting the correct attributions seem to be beyond some journalists.</p></blockquote><p>Although they're getting better, newspapers can be very poor at attribution of online sources. It probably partly stems from the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 11:41:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>True again. And with each reporter that heads off for better money in PR/Comms, leaving a 20 year old in their place, you could say they're actually less expert than many of us. When a journo doesn't know who David Lange is, for example, you might have cause to despair.…</blockquote>
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				<title>barnaclebarnes</title>
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						<p>Well the media are quite often a bit behind the times...Take this 'news' article on TV3 on Saturday night &ndash; <a href="http://tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/ScienceTechnologyVideo/tabid/311/articleID/34814/Default.aspx#video" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kiwi entrepreneur solves iPhone problem</a></p><p>The problem is that this method of hacking the iPhone is now kind of outdated and the events of the last week showed that a…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Isn't it almost like quoting callers from talk back radio in a news report and attributing the quotes to the host or the radiostation.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed it is, but the larger point (to my mind anyway) is that quoting talkback callers, or blog commentators, is incredibly lazy journalism. Both talkback and…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>my interactions with reporters over the years suggest to me that it's actually just normal. With a few shining exceptions, reporters make mistakes and exhibit ignorance all the time, but we only notice this where we have personal knowledge or expertise.</p></blockquote><p>True.  It amazes me how often I read in…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>oops I meant to say Toby &ndash; not Tony.</p></blockquote><p>No, it <em>is</em> Tony, actually. I mistyped, but I've fixed it now.</p>
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				<title>Kirsten Brethouwer</title>
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						<p>RB maybe you should complain with the broadcasting standards authority. you'd hope that that would help somewhat towards it not happening again... </p><p>Isn't it almost like quoting callers from talk back radio in a news report and attributing the quotes to the host or the radiostation.</p>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						oops I meant to say Toby &ndash; not Tony.
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>Networking by its very action amplifies very small signals into lots of noise. </p><p>Media and anyone else trying to pick the signal should know this but maybe it didn't suit the story they were pushing at the time.</p><p>Ironically Tony the reporter may now get more readers watching to see…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Too bad Greenspan couldn't come out with those opinions when it actually might have made a difference, eh?</p><p>As to the technomological cluelessness, my interactions with reporters over the years suggest to me that it's actually just normal. With a few shining exceptions, reporters make mistakes and exhibit ignorance all…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Something I forgot to mention in the post is that the emails also confirm that record companies are using P2P for conventional marketing intelligence. At least one of the emails has a record company client prepared to yank a single in favour of another tune that has a better buzz…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Choice, all one has to do to get on the news is make a redneck post on Kiwiblog.</p><p>And Greenspan rags on Bush for being too soft on Congress trying to rush appropriations bills through??? wtf is that guy on? I know Reserve Bank Chairmen are deliberately apolitical (within the…</p>
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				<title>MikeE</title>
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						Seems MP's are struggling with this too.  Jacqui Dean refered to me as a "Left Wing Blogger" on Marcus Lush's show on Friday!
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						Ha ha, shades of passiveaggressivenotes.com.
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Those MediaDefender emails contain some useful tips:</p><blockquote><p>Team,</p><p>Please make sure you take your lunch from the refrigerator HOME.</p><p>A salad was disposed to garbage can do to mold on food. Some molds can cause allergic reactions &amp;/or respiratory problems.</p><p>Thanks</p><p>Bo Olivas</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 09:59:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>There was talk at OSCON 2007 by Rick Falkvinge, the founder of the Swedish Pirate Party is pretty interesting on Copyright issues.</p><p><a href="http://blip.tv/file/get/OSCON-OSCON2007RickFalkvinge272.flv" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here is the video</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 09:43:36 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sept 2007 09:43:35 +1200</pubDate>
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