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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Ha! Laugh you may, Barnes, but they were bloody brilliant. They even exhorted the crowd to rise up and give the heaveho to the SuperCity. I love them. I cannot stress enough &ndash; LOVE them.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:22:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:01:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Can we not forget the Topp Twins. At the zoo, tomorrow. I, for one, am inordinately excited.</p></blockquote><p>I saw the poster for that yesterday. My fist thought was "What? are Micheal Lawhs and Jenny Shipley doing stand up now?"<br />I was almost physically excited.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:57:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>It's quite the weekend for music in Auckland.</blockquote> Can we not forget the Topp Twins. At the zoo, tomorrow. I, for one, am inordinately excited.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:37:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I was around while that went down and it was rather more low key than you probably think &ndash; I think it was more a case of Linus getting fed up with the sniping from the free software purists, he seemed happy to continue to use BK &ndash; certainly Linus…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:11:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						Ahhhhh, yes, BitKeeper. The lovely hissy fit they had with old Linus and co. So pathetic. Thanks Julian &ndash; it was bugging me I couldn't remember the parties involved!
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:02:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In tenuously related news, Danes have smaller testicles than Finns &ndash; probably toxins. Happiness clearly not correlated with big balls.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjkJfMrQ4bc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjkJfMrQ4bc</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:16:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Julian Melville</title>
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						<blockquote><p>some tech outfit were suing another for "hacking" their super-duper system and writing an alternative client for it &ndash; perhaps a source control system?</p></blockquote><p>It wasn't suing, but the outfit in question was BitMover, the makers of BitKeeper, and they got the shits with the Linux kernel developers when a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:25:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Regarding "hacking = accessing publicly-accessible URL", something like that happened in the techie world. </p><p>Can't remember the details, but some tech outfit were suing another for "hacking" their super-duper system and writing an alternative client for it &ndash; perhaps a source control system? It turns out the people who wrote…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:02:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						In tenuously related news, Danes have <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2245110/pagenum/all/#p2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">smaller testicles</a> than Finns &ndash; probably toxins. Happiness clearly not correlated with big balls.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:46:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I would have thought by now that some bright soul would have passed a law with some sort of widely defined "unlawful access of a computer system" test that would catch almost anything.  Of course I would be glad to be wrong on that one.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:56:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<p>I nominate "Fucking Ego."<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.</p><p>I'll get my coat and go off to Denmark.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:18:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But declaring "hacking" to have taken place when there is no barrier to entry at all defies reason.</p></blockquote><p>I  suppose you could call it cyberspace tresspassing. But it's more the internet equivalent of the SIS briefcase incident; sure, it's not technically yours to look at, but if it's just left…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:12:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Ackroyd</title>
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						"Build a turtle fence" and "Problems south of Taupo" need entering into the word of the year. Well, not word, but y'know.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:32:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Seeing there is <em>fun</em> in the title of this thread,  and it being Friday and all, some of you might enjoy the new tourist campaign created for the Danish Tourist Board by Lars Von Trier, <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/denmark_introduces_harrowing_new" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theonion.com/content/video/denmark_introduces_harrowing_new</a>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:59:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Gosh, that makes it "contemporary" :)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:48:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OMG, so much awesome. Made my Friday.</p></blockquote><p>Yup, worth remembering that our (as in NZ's) take on hip hop culture, which is quite filtered and unique, is close to 30 years old now.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:44:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The other is the graffiti artist Askew One's memoir of Morningside (the real one, not the Bro' Town one). It's beautifully written and illustrated and should be harvested pronto by libraries and archives. It's history, bro.</p></blockquote><p>OMG, so much awesome. Made my Friday.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:21:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						ah,  telecommunications is not exempt from Godwin,  then?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:08:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Actually, I should have noted that the captions in that clip are pretty f$%#king NSFW too. Especially if you work for Campbell Live.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:17:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						It is <a href="http://www.fucking-windows.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Friday</a> isn't it (possibly NSFW for some value of S)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:47:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						Enjoy the Ruby Suns / Signer show.  The new Signer album <a href="http://www.carparkrecords.com/signerpresspage.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Next We Bring You The Fire</a> is superb.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:00:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Fun, you say? (ta, <a href="http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=39&amp;topicid=57842" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">geekzone</a>)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogDsAore60" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogDsAore60</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:51:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alien  Lizard (anag)</title>
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						<blockquote><p>According to the Council website this one is Saturday and Sunday is the rain day (or have they stuffed this up the way they did with the dates in the Movies In Parks flyer)</p></blockquote><p>Well spotted Mr H. &ndash; according to The Bats it is as per the Council ie…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:38:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>According to the Council website this one is Saturday and Sunday is the rain day (or have they stuffed this up the way they did with the dates in the Movies In Parks flyer)</p></blockquote><p>Damn, you're right. Why did I and everyone I know think it was Sunday?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:33:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Higgins</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And Music in Parks is back with The Datsuns, The Bats and Clap Clap Riot at Nixon Park in Kingsland on Sunday afternoon.</p></blockquote><p>According to the Council website this one is Saturday and Sunday is the rain day (or have they stuffed this up the way they did with the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:20:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<blockquote><p>no barrier to entry</p></blockquote><p>Lange used to tell the tale of defending a man accusing of breaking and entering a phone box  (yes,  it was that long ago).  Of course he boomed,  a phone box is meant to be entered and you could do so without breaking.</p><p>Same thing</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:01:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Either the person doing the telling or me may have been confused. For all I know it was about this <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/11/a-california-on/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">dropped lawsuit</a>.</p><p>Though looking at unprotected files can get you <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/harvard-business-school-boots-119-applicants-hacking-admissions-site" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">rejected from Harvard Business School</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:59:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Are those two videos supposed to be the same?</p></blockquote><p>They certainly were not. Copy-paste fail fixed now.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:56:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						Are those two videos supposed to be the same?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Though I'm told a US court decided fiddling with the URL in search of something interesting constituted hacking.</p></blockquote><p>Yikes. So I suppose querying successive IP addresses to see what's on the end of them is right out. That got me more than one story at Computerworld.</p><p>But seriously: I'm okay…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>I forget what all the events were that lead me to this conclusion, but it seems like 'hacked' now means 'made public in a way that involves computers'.</p><p>Though I'm told a US court decided fiddling with the URL in search of something interesting constituted hacking.</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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