Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: From Zero: The Meth Episode https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368746#post368746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368746#post368746 This is interesting, especially when observing contrasted behavioural patterns associated with alcohol use.

The research she refers to found that a surprisingly high proportion of US soldiers had used heroin during the Vietnam War, with as many as 20 per cent reporting that they had been 'addicted' to the drug. This…

]]> Fri, 02 Dec 2016 21:01:05 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368744#post368744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368744#post368744 Here is an academic document from the national addiction centre. I was surprised to find this paragraph in there:

Also....Addiction as an erosion of free will.

The term addiction is derived from the Latin addictus referring to the relationship a slave had with his/her master – an enslavement.

Definition.

]]> Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:40:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368741#post368741 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368741#post368741 Fri, 02 Dec 2016 16:39:24 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368738#post368738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368738#post368738 And regards funders requiring rehab operators to demonstrate best practice. What’s the problem with that?

The problem is that the funder's idea of what is 'best practise', differs from what the operators have learned is 'best practise'.

And the funders don't listen to what the operators are saying.

And its…

]]> Fri, 02 Dec 2016 14:40:53 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368733#post368733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368733#post368733 So....with even the Constabulary coming on board with the 'help not hound' message for those with addictions, one would have thought that the Government would have ensured that the funding was in place to provide addiction services with a proven track record of the desired 'outcomes'.

Not so...with not only…

]]> Fri, 02 Dec 2016 10:05:29 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368713#post368713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368713#post368713 Hey, if only the Nazi’s had been ....football hooligans.

I can change your meaning by terrible editing too.

]]> Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:02:17 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368695#post368695 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368695#post368695 Wellington police follow Waitemata and offer help, not harm, to users identified in a meth bust:

Detective Senior Sergeant Tim Leitch of the Wellington District Drugs and Organised Crime team said: “This syndicate is believed to have been active for a significant period of time dealing methamphetamine to people in…

]]> Thu, 01 Dec 2016 07:52:24 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368664#post368664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368664#post368664 drugs that ....instill fear and paranoia

Hey, if only the Nazi's had been on E instead of speed, they'd all have got together and loved one another. Just like those football hooligans in the 90's! Or something.

]]> Wed, 30 Nov 2016 00:08:17 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368663#post368663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368663#post368663 This brings to mind the infamous 2002 study that claimed even controlled doses of MDMA were so neurotoxic that casual users were at risk of Parkinson's disease and other conditions.

Probably also worth mentioning that other research taking place in 2002 was showing, um, the exact opposite effect.

As an…

]]> Wed, 30 Nov 2016 00:06:03 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368659#post368659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368659#post368659 Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:01:36 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368658#post368658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368658#post368658 Alcohol is the solution:
is ethylene related to ethyl alcohol ?
wooden, er, wouldn't that make it a 'vinyl solution'?

...or is it a Godwin that blows nobody any good?

gets coat and leaves... _

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:28:05 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368657#post368657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368657#post368657 But wait there's more:

"a bit of tomfoolery" in a private setting.

if you want to commemorate those who paid the ultimate sacrifice with a beer then what's the most fitting option?

Auckland brewery creates anti-Trump beer

Drink up – it looks like beer is good for you

[[http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/86187327/Marty-Banks-takes-a-swig-of-fans-beer-then-kicks-conversion-in-NPC-semifinal|Marty Banks…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:26:57 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368656#post368656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368656#post368656 Yes the godwinning of methamphetamine does need to be taken with a pinch of something, especially when the author contextualises his thesis with his own use of ecstasy and LSD.

This brings to mind the infamous 2002 study that claimed even controlled doses of MDMA were so neurotoxic that casual…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:12:59 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368655#post368655 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368655#post368655 Alcohol is the solution:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86543824/I-m-buggered-I-need-a-beer-first-overland-relief-reaches-Kaikoura

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86655763/earthquake-beer-to-the-rescue-from-the-air-for-kaikoura-quake-volunteers

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/national-news/86889185/Chch-hero-comes-to-the-aid-of-Kaikoura-community-with-convoy-of-supplies

There’s a TV ad that’s been doing the rounds recently in which beer is touted as the catalyst for human innovation and invention…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:54:32 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368651#post368651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368651#post368651 But the overall rate and nature of problematic use is a real showstopper.

I'm sure

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:51:40 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368648#post368648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368648#post368648 Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:17:24 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368647#post368647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368647#post368647 Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:35:06 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368644#post368644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368644#post368644 Like alcohol then …

More addictive, more severe effects on both physical and mental health from sustained use. You can drink every day for decades. You can’t smoke meth every day for decades without serious consequences.

This is not to dismiss the huge social harms of alcohol abuse, of course.

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:01:18 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368643#post368643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368643#post368643 urther, the main pharmacological problem with methamphetamine is that, unlike most drugs (which burn when heated) it’s smokable. Which gives a faster rush and more of a psychological problem. People (Hitler, pilots, schoolkids with ADHD) who confine themselves to ingestion or snorting have fewer problems witb it.

Yes, I cover…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:58:57 +1300 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368642#post368642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368642#post368642 Yeah, and there are plenty of people like you. But the overall rate and nature of problematic use is a real showstopper.

Like alcohol then ...

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:51:23 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368640#post368640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368640#post368640 Further, the main pharmacological problem with methamphetamine is that, unlike most drugs (which burn when heated) it's smokable. Which gives a faster rush and more of a psychological problem. People (Hitler, pilots, schoolkids with ADHD) who confine themselves to ingestion or snorting have fewer problems witb it.

The real problem,…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:54:54 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368639#post368639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368639#post368639 Potassium ferrocyanide is your anti-caking agent – the CN is tightly bound to the Fe and doesn't disassociate in the body. An example of how similar substances can have widely different hazard categories. ]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:43:35 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368638#post368638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368638#post368638 The counterpoint to that interview, from the highly respected Richard J Evans:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/nov/16/blitzed-drugs-in-nazi-germany-by-norman-ohler-review

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:11:40 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368637#post368637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368637#post368637 https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/25/blitzed-norman-ohler-adolf-hitler-nazi-drug-abuse-interview ]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:08:43 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368636#post368636 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368636#post368636 Could stay up all night drinking and never feel drunk, never felt violent tho and never wanted to go out, was quite happy where I was especially if at home. And that was my experience with it, which is in the past now.

Yeah, and there are plenty of people…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:08:35 +1300 Stephen R https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368635#post368635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368635#post368635 WWII both sides had their own variant, while I have heard hints of that no one has ever come out and said it.

The Germans had Methamphetamines in the form of Pervitin and the US and UK were using Amphetamines (with brand name Benzedrine).
I've heard it said that the…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:59:55 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368629#post368629 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368629#post368629 Could stay up all night drinking and never feel drunk, never felt violent tho and never wanted to go out, was quite happy where I was especially if at home. And that was my experience with it, which is in the past now.
WWII both sides had their own variant,…

]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2016 06:47:10 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368624#post368624 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368624#post368624 Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:57:46 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368621#post368621 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368621#post368621 used it, enjoyed it, didn’t get addicted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5i1cJIwE7M

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:01:55 +1300 SHG https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368619#post368619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368619#post368619 how do you think this changes the perception of meth? I always saw it as one of the truly evil drugs (never used, never exposed to it) with a genuine probability of addiction.

used it, enjoyed it, didn't get addicted, cut it along with other luxuries during the great saving-for-a-house…

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:44:44 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368618#post368618 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368618#post368618 A drug is not evil: even methamphetamine has a very limited useful role in medicine.

Yes, I make that point in the episode: it's a chemical, no more innately evil than salt or water.

Its medical use is, as you say, very limited now, largely because it's more neurotoxic than…

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:44:23 +1300 Farmer Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368609#post368609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368609#post368609 A drug is not evil: even methamphetamine has a very limited useful role in medicine.
You make an important point about misinformation, particularly misinformation given to children , under the guise of drug education.
Lying to children about anything simply leads to a generalised distrust of anything from the same…

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:23:41 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368593#post368593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368593#post368593 The way it was reported on RNZ this morning made me think West Akl police are not going to prosecute low level dealing and use but I missed the offer of treatment.

I think they overcooked the angle a little – what Stan Brown said was that they don’t necessarily…

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:49:36 +1300 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368592#post368592 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368592#post368592 The way it was reported on RNZ this morning made me think West Akl police are not going to prosecute low level dealing and use but I missed the offer of treatment.

Russ – how do you think this changes the perception of meth? I always saw it as one…

]]> Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:37:30 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368591#post368591 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-from-zero-the-meth-episode/?p=368591#post368591 Discussion from blog post.

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