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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I refuse to believe this until there is medical evidence. I've always thought they were zombies escaped from the set of a George Romero movie.</p></blockquote><p>Zombies are pretty silly, too.</p><p>And yes, I believe most cops on traffic duty pretty much do that full time. In fact, a great deal…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a question of priorities: if you also "heartily approve" of full, timely investigation of alleged burglaries and/or email thefts ... and if it's not forthcoming, then it's sensible enough to wonder what else the Police are up to.</p></blockquote><p>This line grates every time I hear it. There are specialist…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The Business Roundtable doesn't have a magic superpower that stops it being silly sometimes. They're just people, all too human.
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				<title>john shears</title>
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						<p>Some people really are silly.</p><p>Yes , and some people are well known as Vice-Chair of the  Business Roundtable, ergo the Roundtable is silly, I don't think so.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's hard to see just what any of Brash's opponents within National would get from inside her apartment that would be useful, as political ammunition that is.</p></blockquote><p>It's even harder to care. Brash's monogrammed reserve bank g-string? A used dinger? Photos of his royal baldness in action? Let the poor…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:54:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>craig,</p><p>indeed. my own sense of inspired self-importance has waned dramatically since september. perhaps there are those within politics yet to have the experience, realising they're falling from a height no greater than the distance of their own ego from terra firma?</p><p>but, then who am i to argue with…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>We don't really know what she means by "close to home".</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. It could mean family or neighbors, if you took it literally.</p>
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We don't really know what she means by "close to home".</p></blockquote><p>It was the next door neigbour checking out the quality of the kitchen fitout. </p><p>ok, so I am engaging in wild flights of fantasy but its fun</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						I found her explanation for not initially contacting the police, that they might have done it, rather odd.
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>We don't really know what she means by "close to home". It may mean within the National Party or it may not. She appears to be framing things mainly as "not necessarily bagging Labour".</p><p>It's hard to see just what any of Brash's opponents within National would get from inside…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I also note that Diane Foremans apartment was broken into the night before the election. If any political dynamite was discovered then it would have been absolutely useless to Brash's political enemies...</p></blockquote><p>Well, his political enemies on the left.  His political enemies on the right might rather he won the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>One still might question the kind of "saturation" coverage I saw on a couple of Northland backroads though.</p></blockquote><p>You mean where you say:</p><blockquote><p>and about 9 patrol cars on traffic duty (5 complete with flashing lights pulling some unfortunate bugger over)</p></blockquote><p>So they're obviously finding more than a few people…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a question of priorities: if you also "heartily approve" of full, timely investigation of alleged burglaries and/or email thefts ... and if it's not forthcoming, then it's sensible enough to wonder what else the Police are up to.</p></blockquote><p>Especially when a certain telco-related Cabinet document of *cough* extreme political…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh how dreadful. You poor, poor, opressed person, you. Imagine having to pay some vague attention to driving legally! Truely, we live under a regime of the most vile sort!</p></blockquote><p>Hey, I didn't say I was oppressed, or that policing the roads is vile in any way. It's just that…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Che:</p><p>Pour enough alcohol down my neck and there's nothing I won't believe &ndash; but I really don't know any Mark Felt or G. Gordon Libby wannabes.  Surely, even gut-punching, blood on the celing  rat-bastardry has limits?  </p><p>Then again, perhaps all I've proved is that I'm an insufferably naive and…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Whoops &ndash; no need to answer that, I went & clicked on the link.
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Say, can I get something clarified &ndash; the housesitter was there when the place was burgled?</p><p>I'm having difficulty understanding when it was the PI was seen &amp; recognised.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Its also worth considering that the break-ins at Foreman's apartment might have had nothing to do with politics. She does co-own a multi-million dollar company with her husband, and was widely considered to be conducting an affair. That combination could make for a hell of a divorce case, and a…</blockquote>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>i think i find it hard to believe that craig finds it hard to believe that someone senior in the nats might have leaked a bunch of information about brash.</p><p>"party" seems to be a misnomer.</p><p>"protracted knife-fight" seems more appropriate to most parliamentary "parties".</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>__As Foreman indicated, it appears that the "political enemies" were "closer to home", so they may well not have had a problem with National winning the election anyway.</p><p>One theory would be that whoever organised it considered it potentially useful to have certain information regarding the next Prime Minister. It…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>And Danyl wrote:</p><blockquote><p>I also note that Diane Foremans apartment was broken into the night before the election. If any political dynamite was discovered then it would have been absolutely useless to Brash's political enemies...</p></blockquote><p>OK,it just hit me how absurd that statement is.  You've got some hair wedged so…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The impression I formed was that the Police have "nothing better to do" on a sleepy winter Sunday.</p></blockquote><p>Nothing better to do than, you know, try to reduce the likelihood some moron will kill a bunch of people.  I heartily approve.</p><blockquote><p>This said, I did drive somewhat slower than I…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Looks like we need a real statistician to front up here. I failed Statistics 101 in 1980...</p></blockquote><p>Not really, this is a minor correction in the US surface temperature dataset which has made two years that were basically tied for warmest year on record stay basically tied for warmest year…</p>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						<p>Russell<br />Great balance.  The forgotten art of journalism so rarely these days do we get to presented two differing views for debate.  The Newsweek article shows how difficult it is to remove bias on the reporting of events.</p><p>I must confess that I found the Freeman Dyson essay an intelligent…</p>
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				<title>Doug Clover</title>
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						Just a point about the US temperature record adjustment, It was for the lower 48 US states only &ndash; not the planet (the lower 48 makes up about 2% of the planet's surface). I know many Americians think that world is the US but the global temeprature record is not…
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>I read this link with interest. What is missing is the corresponding analysis of the global warmers funding and backers. Science in the States is not an altruistic operation. While many Universities have pure science as their aim, they do rely on sponsored funding and that always seems to have…</blockquote>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Looks like we need a real statistician to front up here. I failed  Statistics 101 in 1980...
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>A good example of the changing nature of climate change debate is the news story today of NASA having to revise their data on US surface air temperatures. Apparently, a Canadian scientist by the name of Steve McIntyre found a 'bug' in NASA's computer software. NASA adjusted their data and…</blockquote>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Apparently, a Canadian scientist by the name of Steve McIntyre found a 'bug' in NASA's computer software. NASA adjusted their data and now the averages have cooled somewhat. The hottest year is now 1934, not 1998. So it's still a very fluid scientific debate.</p></blockquote><p>That's so true. And if Russell…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>I think that's unlikely &ndash; the leaked e-mails arguably cost the National Party the election. I don't think there are any 'principled conservatives' in the National Party so unflinching in their convictions that they'd be willing to let Labour have another 3 years in power rather than see the sacred…</blockquote>
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				<title>Alistair McBride</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But what's described in the Newsweek story <i>is</i> an organised campaign of denial</p></blockquote><p>I read this link with interest. What is missing is the corresponding analysis of the global warmers funding and backers. Science in the States is not an altruistic operation. While many Universities have pure science as their…</p>
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						Rest assured the NZ Police are hard at work ... with their road safety / speed enforcement duties. Yesterday, on a lazy 400km trip to Northland and back we saw at least 2 mobile speedcameras, and about 9 patrol cars on traffic duty (5 complete with flashing lights pulling some…
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						A good example of the changing nature of climate change debate is the news story today of NASA having to revise their data on US surface air temperatures. Apparently, a Canadian scientist by the name of Steve McIntyre found a 'bug' in NASA's computer software. NASA adjusted their data and…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And just as an FYI, I don't really want to see stolen letters and trashing people's homes becoming part of the cut and thrust of politics in this country, full stop.  On one level, I don't really care how 'close to home' it is &ndash; whether it's some horrible lefty…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>I still think the whole climate change debate is far too loaded with 'us and them' terminology that makes it difficult for reasoned debate. Russell you sometimes perpetuate this as well. I object to language like 'climate change denial'. It runs seriously close to the 'holocaust denial' label and those…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Nicky Hager was adamant that there was no stealing or hacking of e-mails.</p></blockquote><p>Well, he would say that wouldn't he?  I don't know about anyone else, but it sure took some of the gloss off the Watergate myth when 'Deep Throat' outed himself &ndash; and turned out to be Mark…</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						I still think the whole climate change debate is far too loaded with 'us and them' terminology that makes it difficult for reasoned debate. Russell you sometimes perpetuate this as well. I object to language like 'climate change denial'. It runs seriously close to the 'holocaust denial' label and those…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I still hold to my original theory &ndash; that someone in the leaders office working in an administrative capacity (IT support, PA, receptionist) simply burned a bunch of .pst files onto DVD, or copied them onto a USB key.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. Much more likely than any spooky hacker story.</p><blockquote><p>I…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>Nicky Hager was adamant that there was no stealing or hacking of e-mails. He said that important senior National Party people were supplying his information. Probably true.</em></p><p>I think that's unlikely &ndash; the leaked e-mails arguably cost the National Party the election. I don't think there are any 'principled conservatives'…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						Nicky Hager was adamant that there was no stealing or hacking of e-mails. He said that important senior National Party people were supplying his information. Probably true. Truth usually comes out- eventually. Someone will speak up before the next election. Bet ya!
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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