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Ian Dalziel

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:49:22 +1200

Walk off the Earth
Thanks, that was a great way to start the day, with a laugh...
Now there's an act that I'd go and see at a Buskers Festival.

Kyle Matthews

Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:40:06 +1200

You've definitely made it when Walk off the Earth cover you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgD5p1XiVT0&feature=youtu.be

Sacha

Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:43:14 +1200

The Lorde performance at Splendour in the Grass last weekend that people are raving about

Quite. And awesome to hear the crowd singing along. She must be stoked.

"chris"

Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:47:18 +1200

I totally go a bit overboard on occasion, sorry Russell.

Russell Brown

Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:36:38 +1200

Sacha I really don’t have the time. You called me out the day I had my rant and I stopped as suggested. You kept referencing the chicken, it’s not that big a deal.

To be fair, you kept referencing the chicken.

Russell Brown

Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:33:59 +1200

The Lorde performance at Splendour in the Grass last weekend that people are raving about:

http://youtu.be/dfbMPCcXrIY

And no wonder. Wow.

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:45:08 +1200

Sacha I really don’t have the time. You called me out the day I had my rant and I stopped as suggested. You kept referencing the chicken, it’s not that big a deal. We’ve covered her not being able to afford a cab or Subway,1 digit in the bank account.…

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:40:47 +1200

Plus, she’s likely on per diems and a weekly sub from Universal at the moment.

Thanks Simon, that sounds immeasurably better.

Simon Grigg

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:33:35 +1200

it as much as Ella repeatedly pleading poverty in interviews and the periphery to that.

If she is struggling, I suspect that's about to end shortly. I'd be very surprised if Ella wasn't the recipient of a hefty publishing advance in the near future (several zeros). Plus, she's likely on…

Sacha

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:17:44 +1200

repeatedly pleading poverty in interviews

Feel free to link to more examples than the single one given in this post, and copied by the Herald.

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:53:43 +1200

Thank you for clarifying all those processes Simon, I appreciate your time as an industry insider, I was under the impression that these practices are generally pretty standard in the pop music business. As I mentioned UMG have not uploaded the video themselves but passed it to Houmu for promotion,…

Simon Grigg

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:09:09 +1200

It’s a reciprocal business relationship. but that’s where the chicken is being sold and also the music hopefully, the exploitation is simply that she’s still not getting paid.

Really not sure how you can say that without access to the details of her contracts, Universal's business relationships and the various…

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:59:41 +1200

Sorry I was busy with work Russell, but since you asked, I can answer the first question. Youku appears to have a contract with Yummy! so that's the Fried Chicken reference. The video has a number of hosts, with views from the teens up to the very low thousands, except…

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:08:24 +1200

You need to get over this.

I thought we put that discussion to bed on Friday.

Russell Brown

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:07:24 +1200

While her card is declined at Subway, and she’s used to sell us chicken. Sure I sneer at that system, at her handlers, at that marketing team. I sneer as I eat the chicken she is being exploited to sell me. My respect for that is absolutely zero.

You need…

"chris"

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:54:31 +1200

Thanks for the True Widow link Caleb, tasty stuff. wrt to the above I'd possibly have just gone with The Wiggles. Not being privy to the kind of numbers Sacha will bring to this Sacha/"chris" power couple, it's hard to know but I'm guessing at this juncture we'd be hard…

Sacha

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:49:04 +1200

Haven't established whether one of Australia's biggest annual music festivals sells fried chicken sorry, but apparently they know talent when they see it.

New Zealand teenager Lorde has been handed the break of her life after promoters of Splendour in the Grass asked her to step in to replace Frank Ocean,…

Sacha

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:45:31 +1200

I'll recover #sob

Sacha

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 15:45:06 +1200

after so many moons without Godwin, we get two in little more than a week. bless

andin

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:22:24 +1200

more people than any of us here ever will? That’s right: HITLER.

Gowwone! Well I never

Caleb D'Anvers

Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:13:40 +1200

She has probably influenced more people already than you or I ever will. That deserves respect, not sneering.
You know who also influenced more people than any of us here ever will? That's right: HITLER.

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:53:23 +1200

Sorry!

Sacha

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:05:32 +1200

you free-to-air spoiler, you

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:05:59 +1200

Well, it was beautiful music to me--the final hooter as the Chiefs beat the Crusaders 20 to 19 tonight, One of the best games I have seen at the Waikato Stadium,

Sacha

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:23:21 +1200

That it's already being used to mass-market fast food seems entirely appropriate

An unrelated mass-channel Tube site slapped a fried chicken advert in front of her clip. Oooh.

andin

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:45:45 +1200

John Key, absolute cockroach that he is, has come across marvellously at times, If you like being lied to while being smiled at

conversely this site’s only Booker prize winner grabbed my attention with one response to another poster, namely:

“You are fucking stupid”

Knows 'er words and their usage…

Martin Brown

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:30:07 +1200

My understanding is it something the majors do for their own pockets and only applies to the recording, ie. the songwriters don't get paid.

JacksonP

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:08:16 +1200

Speaking of local talent going international, any love for The Veils round here?

I for one am looking forward to hearing these tracks, and others, live tonight, if not the crush of the Studio, which yet again seems a strange choice of venue. They sold out tonight, and have put…

Russell Brown

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:58:56 +1200

Hey, last night I listened to and purchased a copy of Evolver, Matthew Bannister’s cover album of the Beatles’ Revolver.

It was recorded by Ed Cake in Auckland and Hamilton, and it’s remarkable. I’ll have something about it in next week’s music post.

Russell Brown

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:21:15 +1200

Will be spinning this in a weeks time at my gathering of the clans. If that doesn’t light up the dancefloor, they’re all dead to me.

Excellent. Enjoy yourself, as I am sure you will.

Caleb D'Anvers

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:08:57 +1200

I guess I'm too old — or too young — to be Lorde's target audience. It just sounds like shoe-store music to me. That it's already being used to mass-market fast food seems entirely appropriate.

This week, on the other hand, has been all about the new True Widow release.…

Rich Lock

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 00:19:42 +1200

Russell, you might like this version of 'grapevine' if you've not already heard it:

http://soundcloud.com/russky6987/heard-it-through-the-grapevine

Will be spinning this in a weeks time at my gathering of the clans. If that doesn't light up the dancefloor, they're all dead to me.

"chris"

Sat, 27 Jul 2013 00:06:04 +1200

OK!

Sacha

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:46:26 +1200

don't be a dick.

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:52:17 +1200

It’s fine to celebrate a creative young Kiwi.

And it’s fine not to Sacha. I’m far more partial to Lorde’s own appraisal of her work as her Art than to this sport; first whatever in whatever competition since whenever. That is far more reductive of her creative virtuosity, than critiquing…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:37:12 +1200

With all that to account for I hope the winds blow in the right direction Simon, that's one hell of a burden for a 16 year old to carry.

Sacha

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:31:32 +1200

tripping over themselves to laud Lorde

Dude, she's the first musician to ever have 4 songs charting in our NZ top 20 at the same time. Ever.

And first solo woman since 1997 in the top 10 of the US Billboard Alt chart.

Recognising her talent and success is hardly…

Simon Grigg

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:12:04 +1200

Sounds like a bit of an if there Chris, Post number 1 New Zealand record and yet, from the Huffington Post interview published just a couple of days back:

Not sure anything of any substance would’ve flowed through from that NZ hit. Firstly you make bugger all from a hit…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:43:32 +1200

I think you may be over-analysing this.

That'd be about right ;)

John Armstrong

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:38:17 +1200

Very sad to hear about Chris Sheehan. Too Many Dogs still sits as a dark little diamond in my music collection.

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:14:17 +1200

I think you may be over-analysing this. I saw Lorde's videos on Youku, thought she's probably not getting any money out of them when Youku's clearly raking in the cash from Pizza Hutt, which seems a bit rude, then learnt that actually, there is a way she could be getting…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:59:48 +1200

And if I have one at all, my point, I guess; our society highly esteems those masters of American vernacular pandering to the US, the well trained conducting magnificent press while selling God knows what to the Chinese, all in the name of authenticity. Our country, arguably has exactly the…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:37:13 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz6Y3ZEVwDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WIVf875gIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkmbD75a6U

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:52:40 +1200

how many actually do make it big in music, or any other artform?

Hard to know, quite difficult to care too, Milli Vanilli made it big in music. My feeling here is that less rather than more press would possibly help with the authenticity drum she's banging. Whether someone comes…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:18:00 +1200

Of course it's a big if. Of the multitudes who try, how many actually do make it big in music, or any other artform?

I like the two songs of hers I've heard, in what I've read about her she comes across as far more mature, intelligent, learned and generally…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:04:20 +1200

if she can get the money from those videos on Youku, then I think she’ll be alright for taxi rides.

Sounds like a bit of an if there Chris, Post number 1 New Zealand record and yet, from the Huffington Post interview published just a couple of days back:

"My…

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:48:42 +1200

Found it!

It's from a DVD called Real Thing: In Performance 1964-1981:

Adding to this high-quality package is a 24-page booklet with an essay by top soul historian Rob Bowman, and a bonus feature that allows you to hear Gaye's a cappella vocal tracks for seven hits in isolation, synced…

Geoff Lealand

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:11:26 +1200

Jeez, thanks Russell. That Marvin Gaye video is the very, very best thing. Lump in the throat stuff. On a par with Al Green's medley of Motown greats at his Auckland concert.

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:27:18 +1200

Sure, there’ll still be plenty of piracy, but China’s not a total black hole.

Well sure as long as she's helping to sell Pizzas or laptops or skin cream or yoghurt or something, there's definitely cash to be made by someone (thanks for the correction there Russell and Simon). but…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:42:19 +1200

Yes, but South Korea only has 50 million people (North is irrelevant for anything online unless you enjoy watching KCNA), whereas China has more people on the internet than the USA has people. Judging by the number of Lorde videos on Youku, she's obviously being noticed by a lot of…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:37:07 +1200

That's pretty cool, especially if they get the choice of take down or claim. Although if Universal and EMI want in to the China market... I just tried to open www.vevo.com and was redirected to comingsoon.vevo.com which kindly informed me Vevo is not available in my region and gave me…

Rich of Observationz

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:28:30 +1200

But you'd imagine that it takes a play by every music listener in Korea to pay for a cab ride home from/to the Shore, especially when the record company and others have taken their cut.

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:23:31 +1200

If I upload something I don’t have the rights to, the copyright owner gets paid anyway?

If the algorithms can identify it as belonging to a member of the Partner Program, yes. The owner then gets the choice of a takedown or the chance to claim-and-monetise. The big music companies…

JacksonP

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:44 +1200

ETA: That Flying Out website is pretty decent. Easy to navigate, linked to listening on Spotify, and free shipping to my chosen address, including for Vinyl.

Will Fly again.

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:11:59 +1200

Ah, that is good news. Thanks Russell and Simon. And Simon, do I understand you right? If I upload something I don’t have the rights to, the copyright owner gets paid anyway?

ETA: and via Russell's link to Tech in Asia I see Tech in Asia has a WeChat account.…

Simon Grigg

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:04:07 +1200

Whoops Russell. Snap.

Simon Grigg

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:03:06 +1200

There's a very strong chance Youku are paying. The big record companies have been monetizing all the video channels in recent times. No matter who uploads it the bot picks it up and delivers a portion of the advertising to the owner.

There was a reason Universal were happy to…

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:01:02 +1200

Hope that bloody cold gets gone soon.

I’m resolving to ignore it. I’ve got an invite to a Young, Gifted & Broke launch (BYO!) and then Voom tonight. And I'm going to go.

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:59:50 +1200

How hard would it really be to set up an official Universal Youku channel to use to promote its music in China and share the revenue?

It appears that Youku's management has been tentatively thinking the same thing. They've just launched a revenue-share scheme that looks a bit like the…

JacksonP

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:56:47 +1200

Goddam I want all the Peter Jefferies! In fact, just ordered it. Got the Kilgour Vinyl earlier. Is wonderful.

And since we’re looking back, our friend Darkstation (soon to be Dr Darkstation) just posted Pink Frost to Soundcloud, from the Gluepot 1990.

Hope that bloody cold gets gone soon.

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:52:17 +1200

Yes, but it would be nice to see Universal’s lawyers send an email to Youku and the like with a list of offending videos thanking Youku for their assistance in promoting their music and politely suggesting Youku might wish to share a little of that advertising revenue. Afterall, Youku is…

Alan Perrott

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:38:01 +1200

and then there's Paul Anka's – mo' swing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM_xvTaYavw

and has anyone else been filling their boots from the monster 7s drop at Real Groovy?

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:10:10 +1200

Via Murray Cammick. A Latin version of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit':

http://youtu.be/HOGiCrMeT6k

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:01:12 +1200

As I understand it the big label music video is first and foremost a promo for music sales, in that context it would be pretty hard for Universal to convince Youku to pay Universal for promoting Universal's product. China is pretty much a black hole for digital content, it’d probably…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:39:10 +1200

Yeah, I'd be surprised. But it seems to me the music biz is not easy to get into and very few Kiwi musos are getting rich. It would be nice if Universal sent someone to have a we chat with Youku (and, presumably, Baidu and other online suppliers of music…

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:01:50 +1200

I doubt youku would be paying there Chris

"chris"

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:50:20 +1200

I love music, but a lot of the chatter I’ve read about Lorde seems to focus on everything but. And I’ve kept stumbling over this one:

me and my friends were at some house party worrying how to get home because we couldn’t afford a cab. This is our reality!…

Chris Waugh

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46:41 +1200

I am very impressed with Lorde. And out of curiosity I just had a wee look.... it seems quite a few people have been uploading her videos to Youku. I hope she's getting paid for that. Especially considering I had to sit through 30 seconds of ads for Pizza Hutt…

kiwicmc

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:43:07 +1200

"Royals" is on high rotate on Live 105 in Silicon Valley, California over the last week....

Lauren Anderson

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:40:23 +1200

I first heard that Marvin Gaye vocal track at a conference back in 2007 (it's good to know it's now on youtube so I can hear it again!). I still have the conference programme, so can tell you that the presentation was by Rob Bowman, from York University (Canada): he…

Russell Brown

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:03:01 +1200

Oh, good Lorde. Here she is again, being impossibly erudite in The Guardian:

She works with producer Joel Little whom she credits with turning her "pages and pages of something" into song form. "You know how Raymond Carver had Gordon Lish, the editor who made him what he was? I…

Public Address

Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:03:01 +1200

Discussion from blog post.